Thanks to

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I just wanted to say how much I appreciate having access to this

group, and how much I appreciate all the handouts that Val has created

and posted.

I am re-inspired to get back to doing Svetlana's fabulous work with my

son. He is automatically resistant to nearly everything I suggest,

but after meeting with Mumm down in Columbus, Ohio last week,

and having access to this list, I am determined to refresh my memory

and practice of these great tools.

I am happy to say that today we did a Gravity balance, and even had

fun doing it. It's interesting to note that the Integrative Dance

moves (the forward and back triangle for the gravity reflex) were

still tricky for my son even after the balance, so we'll be playing

with them this week until they are integrated.

Thanks again for this group!

Katy

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve,

Glad its working well. I've actually been surprised over the past twelve months

over how well this method works.

It appears to work if:

1) someone is on T3 only. But there is the possibility that a single pure T3

dose taken early in the morning would also help people who are on T4 get there

adrenals working. This investigation is NOT one I intend to follow up on, so I

leave this as a thought for any bright spark who may wish to look into it. The

downside with T3/T4 is that it would probably need a T3 dose of 10-20 mcg to do

it and this might upset the delicate T4 to T3 conversion balance - so not clear

cut.

2) There is adrenal fatigue. This really needs to be proven via as many routes

as give confidence: pupil dilation test, 24 hour urinary cortisol test,

symptoms. I don't recommend a saliva test as a proof for people on T3 only - I

consider it a waste of money and unreliable for those on only T3. I've already

spoken about that.

3) There is no fundamental adrenal damage ('s and failing synacthen test)

or hypopituitarism. Steve, you know my views on this well by now. I believe that

the reason that those people stuck on HC etc and with a good synacthen test is

not because of adrenal fatigue but because of poorly regulated adrenals due to

the wrong form or dosage of thyroid hormone - a generalisation but one that

consistently appears to be true.

4) It is done slowly and carefully. Ideally, starting at 6:30 am and then every

week or so it is moved back by half an hour in order to find the optimal time.

If an optimal time is not found but the method appears to be working then go

back to 6:30 am with a slightly larger T3 dose (+2.5 mcg) and repeat. Some form

of testing ideally when this is titrated should be done to verify the adrenals

are not producing too much cortisol - ideally the 24 hour urinary cortisol.

5) There are no other blood sugar balance issues. Pre-diabetes or undiagnosed

diabetes will result in low insulin, high blood sugar and low cellular glucose

which will continue to undermine the situation (low ATP) and the increase in

cortisol may actually make the blood sugar levels higher. There may be other

causes of sugar issues - I'm no expert on this.

To answer your specific queries: I use belt, braces and a second pair of braces.

I have a quiet watch alarm set for 4:30 am. I have a louder alarm clock set to

go off 10 mins later and an even louder one for 10 mins or so after that. I turn

the alarm clocks off once I've taken the pill. Yes, it cocks up an entire day if

I miss it but it would take days and days of missing it for the adrenals to

readjust to the really poorly levels. I take the first dose as soon as I can if

I miss it. I rarely do.

I don't fiddle with the timings except twice a year: When the clocks change I

alter the first dose by half an hour - so it is closer to the time my body

thinks it is.

Cool stuff eh?

It's nice when people see for themselves that some of the things I've been

talking about aren't completely c**p. When the book comes out it will get as

much criticsm from thyroid patients as from doctors I expect. I challenge a few

holy grail items like the idea that you need to have decent cortisol for thyroid

hormone to go into the cells and that if someone has a heart rate issue on T3 it

isn't the T3 usually (it's that they have cocked the treatment up by not dealing

with various other issues).

There is as much dogma amongst thyroid patients as in the medical profession -

just different dogma.

Good luck Steve - I expect you won't need it.

You may find you have to adjust your other T3 doses as you begin to gain all the

adrenal hormones at the right levels. You can't replace nearly three dozen

adrenal hormones with one or two - this is another thing that thyroid patients

NEVER get told by those that push the HC/adrenal glandulars. I expect that it

isn't just good levels of cortisol you are feeling - it is the entire range of

adrenal hormones.

Cheers,

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> I would just like to thank you persoanlly for sharing with us your T3 dosing

protocol.

[Guest guest]

Hi , i myself was surprised at how well it worked. I started on Wednesday

with the aim to stop adrenal support on saturday, but i felt the result so fast

that on my second day i felt no need to take HC and that is continuing. I know i

have gone alot faster than reccommended but as ive said in the past i wanted to

get off adrenal support ASAP. (I would not of stopped adrenal support if i did

not feel ready for it)

1, - I did wonder about this point myself. Was wondering if a big dose of T3 at

4:30 (25mg) was given to somebody boarderline hypothyroid, or with low adrenal

reserve could it give their body the boost to be able to cope for the rest of

the day. But as we know a dose of T3 can surpress our own bodys production of

T4 and could maybe end up with some complications.

2, Once your book is out (so i have evidence to show gp) i will deffo be

investiagting getting 24 hour urine cortisol so that i can get the timing of my

T3 dose as close to perfect as possible if i am going to be using this methdod

indefinately.

3, Your view point of the sync test is very valid indeed.

5, I am pre-diabates but im 99% sure its caused by insulin resistance, and

therefore i will most probably have high insulin. But this method worked for me

no problem.

You are right about adjusting my T3 dose's now that my adrenals are fully

functioning (im working on this on a daily basis at the moment)

One last question have you ever stayed awake until your 4:30 dose (i know this

is something which will happen to me in the future, so i wonder what to do)

Thanks

Steve

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> Hi Steve,

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> Glad its working well. I've actually been surprised over the past twelve

months over how well this method works.

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[Guest guest]

Since you're probably not planning to change your sleep/wake cycle to not going

to sleep until 4:30 - just ignore it as a one off and carry on as usual.

If you change your pattern totally - shift workers - then last four hours of

sleep is the thing to work on.

>

> Hi , i myself was surprised at how well it worked. I started on Wednesday

with the aim to stop adrenal support on saturday, but i felt the result so fast

that on my second day i felt no need to take HC and that is continuing. I know i

have gone alot faster than reccommended but as ive said in the past i wanted to

get off adrenal support ASAP. (I would not of stopped adrenal support if i did

not feel ready for it)

>