RE: Healing Hands

February 7, 2009

Hi Margo...

Gosh, you really cover a wide spectrum of trying to come to terms with our extreme hardships we bear...

I do commend you, for sharing your very sincere feelings, and helping us all understand, what you are going through, at this time...

Honestly, I do believe in a "Healing Spirit", like you, at the moment, and if somebody says they can lift those demons out of you...Why not at least, try...???...Certainly, can't hurt any...

But I absolutely cringe at the thought, your Sunday prayer group is sending out vibes, that your past sins, are the whole problem...of why you are dealing with such wicked strife.

My answer to those people...NOBODY EVER SAID LIFE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FAIR...!!!...We weren't all sprinkled with magic dust...nor were we given a golden ticket to visit Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory...

Just let that whole religious "guilt trip" slide way out, Margo...way, way out....and off of your radar...

After all, most of us "Fiesties"...got mega-mega-pain, so great...we'd be in the highest yucky level, a serious "Serial Killer" echelon, if such a dubious distinction, was automatically stamped on our foreheads...

But, I know you do realize, we were given, a very unusual identity, much different than others, so it is mind-boggling, to try to make, heads or tails, sense...of all this stuff...

Is this your cross to bear...???...I sure hope not...

I'd hate to see any kind of suffering...really...sink into our mindset...and take us away from still finding the simple joys and the simple harmony, of the greater good that surrounds us...

But, I fully understand, your wondering what this is all about...Margo...

We can't help but attach some emotional value...on coming to terms with our serious ordeals, our hellish nightmares, our unpleasant realities...that swim and swim and swim around our mind, constantly...

I do believe, these scary, darker thoughts, do hold us back...because maybe, just maybe, we can break free...if we could just find the damn KEY...that unlocks this trap door...we are under...

Here you go...Margo...Here's the "Key"...I found it...!!!...

I found it, it was right, next to the banana-fudge ice cream, under the box of popsicles, up in your freezer...How did it get there...???...I don't know...

I guess, I'm always trying to see the humor, the happiness and the light of goodness, that truly does surround us all...I live out on a cosmic ledge, of sorts, where the pain can't consume me, and that goes for the guilt, double!

I'm gonna say a very special prayer, for you, Margo, and if God picks up his phone...I'm gonna say..."Hey God, turn off the overwhelming thoughts, that are consuming & hurting Margo, right now...!!!..."

"She wants to dance in her heart, she wants to sing & smile with her love and she wants to feel the warmth and happiness, deep, deep inside, of what this world truly has to offer..."...

And if God, doesn't pick up the phone, right away...I've got him on speed dial...and I got his cell phone number too...so I'll be calling, again & again...

So, do understand Margo, you are not alone, and there are many of us, just like you...We just want you to know, we do care...and we do understand, you, totally, 100%...

Grab ahold of the STRENGTH...and the POWER...of just knowing...you are not alone...

Surely, you never, ever, will be alone...because there are "Healing Hands" everywhere, in places, you don't expect it...

God Bless,

Jim

Healing Hands

Recently I was told that my days are numbered and that I will become ambulatory. I asked what that meant and was told my scooter will be my best friend.Well, I shed my closet tears and put on my stiff upper lip and went on with my day. My housekeep which my husband surprised me with came and decided that whatever the doctor said was utter nonsence and anyone can be healed with "healing hands". She proceeded to lay hands on me along with her "helpers". I tried to tell her that just maybe "this was my cross to bare". I often times think of it that way. But noooo... She said we were not intended to walk this earth sick. How does this fit in your current discussion??? Well as I was reading the post about the remedies often times pushed on us here I felt that this one is often times overlooked or maybe no one wants to talk about it. It's out there. My Sunday school class had a discussion about how people that are sick are that way because of a sin they haven't confessed. I've listened through sermons about this too. I know this isn't a religious forum but I know this has to cross someones path occassionally. How do you get them to back off??? I've even tried to explain it by say I'm like the appostle who was given the thorn in his side. I feel like I am helping others in Chronic Pain through this because I do run a support group through my church. I do try to do good work through this experience. So, my question is....how do you respond to these helpful remedies of confessions???....and lets not forget the "healing hands". I'm not healed yet I'm told because I don't believe God can heal me. I tried to say there's a bunch of hardware that man put in there and they responded with but God can take all that away... I'm a practicing Christian and it's not that I don't think he can't take it away it's that I think it was in His plan to put it in there to start with. When I've said that in the past I get these shocked looks like I'm some sort of "hethen"! Does anyone have a "remedie" to dealing with these helpful people???Margo

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February 7, 2009

Margo--

I'm not good at telling jokes but here's the gist of two that may help

you - they've run the sermon circuit where I am (Northeast

Episcopalian) and maybe they havn't made it to your corner yet.

The first one is about a woman whose refrigerator broke down so she

started laying hands on it and praying to God to fix it. After

several weeks, her friend stopped by and the woman confesses that God

hasn't helped her yet. Her friend lays a hand on the woman and says,

" Maybe God is telling you to go out and buy a new refrigerator. "

The second one is about a man caught in a terrible storm/flood. A bus

comes by and the Red Cross volunteer urges him to get in but the man

declares that God will save him and he refuses to leave his home. As

the flood waters rise through his house, he moves from the first floor

to the second floor. Next a boat comes by and the people on board

urge him to get in, but again he declares that God will save him and

refuses to leave. Still the waters rise, and he is forced to evacuate

to the top of his roof. Then a helicopter comes by and the policeman

urges him to climb the rope ladder to safety, but the man once again

declares that God will save him and refuses to leave. Finally the man

drowns and dies. When he gets to Heaven, he confronts God by

demanding to know why God didn't save him. God sighs and answers, I

sent you a truck, a rowboat, and a helicopter, why didn't you listen

to Me?

Or, if you are like me and can't tell a joke well, then resort to

quoting VeggieTales, the kiddie shows. (We have the entire set.)

Their anthem is: God made you special and he loves you very much.

They also have a song with a chorus that goes:

He thought it all over,

he made me JUST RIGHT

I make him happy, I am his delight,

when I look in the mirror, I see his touch...

God made me special and he loves me very much.

I think people who try to make you feel inadequate by saying it is

your lack of faith that has caused you so much pain are not following

Jesus' commandment to love thy neighbor as thyself because I'm sure

they wouldn't want to be told the reason they have big ears (or a

funny looking nose or stubby legs) is because they don't have enough

faith and if they had enough faith then God would correct their

shortcomings to make them perfect in every single way, inside and

outside. Perhaps you can look them straight in the eyes and say, I'll

pray for you, since they certainly need God's help to change their

hurtful ways!

>

> Recently I was told that my days are numbered and that I will become

> ambulatory. I asked what that meant and was told my scooter will be

> my best friend.

>

> Well, I shed my closet tears and put on my stiff upper lip and went

> on with my day. My housekeep which my husband surprised me with came

> and decided that whatever the doctor said was utter nonsence and

> anyone can be healed with " healing hands " . She proceeded to lay

> hands on me along with her " helpers " . I tried to tell her that just

> maybe " this was my cross to bare " . I often times think of it that

> way. But noooo... She said we were not intended to walk this earth

> sick. How does this fit in your current discussion??? Well as I was

> reading the post about the remedies often times pushed on us here I

> felt that this one is often times overlooked or maybe no one wants to

> talk about it. It's out there. My Sunday school class had a

> discussion about how people that are sick are that way because of a

> sin they haven't confessed. I've listened through sermons about this

> too. I know this isn't a religious forum but I know this has to

> cross someones path occassionally. How do you get them to back

> off??? I've even tried to explain it by say I'm like the appostle

> who was given the thorn in his side. I feel like I am helping

> others in Chronic Pain through this because I do run a support group

> through my church. I do try to do good work through this

> experience.

>

> So, my question is....how do you respond to these helpful remedies of

> confessions???....and lets not forget the " healing hands " . I'm not

> healed yet I'm told because I don't believe God can heal me. I tried

> to say there's a bunch of hardware that man put in there and they

> responded with but God can take all that away... I'm a practicing

> Christian and it's not that I don't think he can't take it away it's

> that I think it was in His plan to put it in there to start with.

> When I've said that in the past I get these shocked looks like I'm

> some sort of " hethen " ! Does anyone have a " remedie " to dealing with

> these helpful people???

>

> Margo

>

February 7, 2009

Hello Margo:

I too am a christian, but believe that God has a purpose in all things even the ones we don't understand or like. I struggled long and hard about having my second revision surgery and prayed about it almost daily. Then one day I felt that God was telling me that he could and would take care of me in all things. I scheduled the surgery and feel very peaceful about it. I know I will probably never be pain free but think I will be able to walk better and enjoy things more after the surgery. I know these people in your life are trying to help you, and I don't know a way to say thanks but no thanks. For me my walk with God is a personal and private matter and I don't feel others are in any position to judge it. Maybe you could ask very nicely and diplomatically if they can find it in the scriptures where it says that if we are sick it is because of a sin we haven't confessed. I think that God has a special place in his heart for people who are

afflicted with illness or pain and still try to live a christian life. I know this doesn't answer your question but hope it helps to have a little support.

Elaine

From: mail_margo <mail_margo@...> Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 11:25:09 AMSubject: Healing Hands

Recently I was told that my days are numbered and that I will become ambulatory. I asked what that meant and was told my scooter will be my best friend.Well, I shed my closet tears and put on my stiff upper lip and went on with my day. My housekeep which my husband surprised me with came and decided that whatever the doctor said was utter nonsence and anyone can be healed with "healing hands". She proceeded to lay hands on me along with her "helpers". I tried to tell her that just maybe "this was my cross to bare". I often times think of it that way. But noooo... She said we were not intended to walk this earth sick. How does this fit in your current discussion?? ? Well as I was reading the post about the remedies often times pushed on us here I felt that this one is often times overlooked or maybe no one wants to talk about it. It's out there. My Sunday school class had a discussion about

how people that are sick are that way because of a sin they haven't confessed. I've listened through sermons about this too. I know this isn't a religious forum but I know this has to cross someones path occassionally. How do you get them to back off??? I've even tried to explain it by say I'm like the appostle who was given the thorn in his side. I feel like I am helping others in Chronic Pain through this because I do run a support group through my church. I do try to do good work through this experience. So, my question is....how do you respond to these helpful remedies of confessions? ??....and lets not forget the "healing hands". I'm not healed yet I'm told because I don't believe God can heal me. I tried to say there's a bunch of hardware that man put in there and they responded with but God can take all that away... I'm a practicing Christian and it's not that I don't think he can't

take it away it's that I think it was in His plan to put it in there to start with. When I've said that in the past I get these shocked looks like I'm some sort of "hethen"! Does anyone have a "remedie" to dealing with these helpful people???Margo

February 7, 2009

Hi Margo, I'm afraid I don't know the answer to this but I'm afraid it may fall into the same group of people we were discussing on a previous thread, the "try my osteopath" or the "I take two paracetamol and it goes away" - you may have to just rise above it. Which is not to say that "faith healing" doesnt work for some people - it does! I am a great advocate for holistic complementary medicine, people in general are too quick to dismiss the slightly quirky stuff for whatever reason - me? I say if it might help and it wont make it worse give it a go. I personally have a good success rate with "distraction technique" but other things will work for other people, I mean it wasnt so long ago that acupucture and breathing exercises were considered odd and now they are mainstream

medicine.

My mum is very active with the church and goes to church every week. She is very strong in her faith and it comforts her when she is in pain (she suffers with her health). She believes that God has given her these conditions for a reason, she's just not aware of what that reason is yet. Possibly it's all the lives she touches when she goes to clinics and always makes the staff and other patients smile with her happy nature? who knows?

And not to question others beliefs (which is not my way - I'm a live and let live kind of person) but if all this scoliosis etc stuff is a punishment for unconfessed sins - what did I do? I've suffered with this since I was born - How can a baby have sins?

From: mail_margo <mail_margo@...> Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 5:25:09 PMSubject: Healing Hands

Recently I was told that my days are numbered and that I will become ambulatory. I asked what that meant and was told my scooter will be my best friend.Well, I shed my closet tears and put on my stiff upper lip and went on with my day. My housekeep which my husband surprised me with came and decided that whatever the doctor said was utter nonsence and anyone can be healed with "healing hands". She proceeded to lay hands on me along with her "helpers". I tried to tell her that just maybe "this was my cross to bare". I often times think of it that way. But noooo... She said we were not intended to walk this earth sick. How does this fit in your current discussion?? ? Well as I was reading the post about the remedies often times pushed on us here I felt that this one is often times overlooked or maybe no one wants to talk about it. It's out there. My Sunday school class had a discussion about

how people that are sick are that way because of a sin they haven't confessed. I've listened through sermons about this too. I know this isn't a religious forum but I know this has to cross someones path occassionally. How do you get them to back off??? I've even tried to explain it by say I'm like the appostle who was given the thorn in his side. I feel like I am helping others in Chronic Pain through this because I do run a support group through my church. I do try to do good work through this experience. So, my question is....how do you respond to these helpful remedies of confessions? ??....and lets not forget the "healing hands". I'm not healed yet I'm told because I don't believe God can heal me. I tried to say there's a bunch of hardware that man put in there and they responded with but God can take all that away... I'm a practicing Christian and it's not that I don't think he can't

take it away it's that I think it was in His plan to put it in there to start with. When I've said that in the past I get these shocked looks like I'm some sort of "hethen"! Does anyone have a "remedie" to dealing with these helpful people???Margo

February 7, 2009

Yes, I've heard those as well

similar to another one on a similar theme.....

A man is praying... "dear God, please make me win the lottery"

his situation becomes worse "dear god, please help me win the lottery"

his situation becomes dire "dear God, I need to win the lottery, I'm begging you to help me"sadly he dies and goes to heaven "Lord? why didn't you help me??"

God says "you could have met me halfway and BOUGHT A TICKET!!!!"

I agree with you though Nerilka, you can see miracles in every living thing - and they are all different - if god wanted us all carbon copies - then so we would be. Which is not to say "it's all God's fault" but more to take a breath and accept that things happen according to our own fate - It's what you chose to do with it that matters? You play with the cards you are Dealt....

......Oh someone shut me up please....talk about philosophical

From: nerilka365 <nerilka365@...> Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 8:09:54 PMSubject: Re: Healing Hands

Margo--I'm not good at telling jokes but here's the gist of two that may helpyou - they've run the sermon circuit where I am (NortheastEpiscopalian) and maybe they havn't made it to your corner yet.The first one is about a woman whose refrigerator broke down so shestarted laying hands on it and praying to God to fix it. Afterseveral weeks, her friend stopped by and the woman confesses that Godhasn't helped her yet. Her friend lays a hand on the woman and says,"Maybe God is telling you to go out and buy a new refrigerator. "The second one is about a man caught in a terrible storm/flood. A buscomes by and the Red Cross volunteer urges him to get in but the mandeclares that God will save him and he refuses to leave his home. Asthe flood waters rise through his house, he moves from the first floorto the second floor. Next a boat comes by and the people on boardurge him to get in, but again he

declares that God will save him andrefuses to leave. Still the waters rise, and he is forced to evacuateto the top of his roof. Then a helicopter comes by and the policemanurges him to climb the rope ladder to safety, but the man once againdeclares that God will save him and refuses to leave. Finally the mandrowns and dies. When he gets to Heaven, he confronts God bydemanding to know why God didn't save him. God sighs and answers, Isent you a truck, a rowboat, and a helicopter, why didn't you listento Me?Or, if you are like me and can't tell a joke well, then resort toquoting VeggieTales, the kiddie shows. (We have the entire set.) Their anthem is: God made you special and he loves you very much. They also have a song with a chorus that goes:He thought it all over,he made me JUST RIGHTI make him happy, I am his delight,when I look in the mirror, I see his touch...God made me special

and he loves me very much.I think people who try to make you feel inadequate by saying it isyour lack of faith that has caused you so much pain are not followingJesus' commandment to love thy neighbor as thyself because I'm surethey wouldn't want to be told the reason they have big ears (or afunny looking nose or stubby legs) is because they don't have enoughfaith and if they had enough faith then God would correct theirshortcomings to make them perfect in every single way, inside andoutside. Perhaps you can look them straight in the eyes and say, I'llpray for you, since they certainly need God's help to change theirhurtful ways!>> Recently I was

told that my days are numbered and that I will become > ambulatory. I asked what that meant and was told my scooter will be > my best friend.> > Well, I shed my closet tears and put on my stiff upper lip and went > on with my day. My housekeep which my husband surprised me with came > and decided that whatever the doctor said was utter nonsence and > anyone can be healed with "healing hands". She proceeded to lay > hands on me along with her "helpers". I tried to tell her that just > maybe "this was my cross to bare". I often times think of it that > way. But noooo... She said we were not intended to walk this earth > sick. How does this fit in your current discussion?? ? Well as I was > reading the post about the remedies often times pushed on us here I > felt that this one is often times overlooked or maybe no one wants to > talk about it. It's out there.

My Sunday school class had a > discussion about how people that are sick are that way because of a > sin they haven't confessed. I've listened through sermons about this > too. I know this isn't a religious forum but I know this has to > cross someones path occassionally. How do you get them to back > off??? I've even tried to explain it by say I'm like the appostle > who was given the thorn in his side. I feel like I am helping > others in Chronic Pain through this because I do run a support group > through my church. I do try to do good work through this > experience. > > So, my question is....how do you respond to these helpful remedies of > confessions? ??....and lets not forget the "healing hands". I'm not > healed yet I'm told because I don't believe God can heal me. I tried > to say there's a bunch of hardware that man put in there and they

> responded with but God can take all that away... I'm a practicing > Christian and it's not that I don't think he can't take it away it's > that I think it was in His plan to put it in there to start with. > When I've said that in the past I get these shocked looks like I'm > some sort of "hethen"! Does anyone have a "remedie" to dealing with > these helpful people???> > Margo>

February 7, 2009

awwwwwwwwwwww that was so sweet jim

agreed - the "fiesties" (love it!) will offer you our version of the "healing hands" - not to fix but to comfort and understand.

judith

From: Jim O Leary <griffinjim63@...> Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 7:34:49 PMSubject: Re: Healing Hands

Hi Margo...

Gosh, you really cover a wide spectrum of trying to come to terms with our extreme hardships we bear...

I do commend you, for sharing your very sincere feelings, and helping us all understand, what you are going through, at this time...

Honestly, I do believe in a "Healing Spirit", like you, at the moment, and if somebody says they can lift those demons out of you...Why not at least, try...???... Certainly, can't hurt any...

But I absolutely cringe at the thought, your Sunday prayer group is sending out vibes, that your past sins, are the whole problem...of why you are dealing with such wicked strife.

My answer to those people...NOBODY EVER SAID LIFE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FAIR...!!!.. .We weren't all sprinkled with magic dust...nor were we given a golden ticket to visit Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory...

Just let that whole religious "guilt trip" slide way out, Margo...way, way out....and off of your radar...

After all, most of us "Fiesties".. .got mega-mega-pain, so great...we'd be in the highest yucky level, a serious "Serial Killer" echelon, if such a dubious distinction, was automatically stamped on our foreheads...

But, I know you do realize, we were given, a very unusual identity, much different than others, so it is mind-boggling, to try to make, heads or tails, sense...of all this stuff...

Is this your cross to bear...???.. .I sure hope not...

I'd hate to see any kind of suffering... really... sink into our mindset...and take us away from still finding the simple joys and the simple harmony, of the greater good that surrounds us...

But, I fully understand, your wondering what this is all about...Margo. ..

We can't help but attach some emotional value...on coming to terms with our serious ordeals, our hellish nightmares, our unpleasant realities... that swim and swim and swim around our mind, constantly.. .

I do believe, these scary, darker thoughts, do hold us back...because maybe, just maybe, we can break free...if we could just find the damn KEY...that unlocks this trap door...we are under...

Here you go...Margo.. .Here's the "Key"...I found it...!!!...

I found it, it was right, next to the banana-fudge ice cream, under the box of popsicles, up in your freezer...How did it get there...???. ..I don't know...

I guess, I'm always trying to see the humor, the happiness and the light of goodness, that truly does surround us all...I live out on a cosmic ledge, of sorts, where the pain can't consume me, and that goes for the guilt, double!

I'm gonna say a very special prayer, for you, Margo, and if God picks up his phone...I'm gonna say..."Hey God, turn off the overwhelming thoughts, that are consuming & hurting Margo, right now...!!!... "

"She wants to dance in her heart, she wants to sing & smile with her love and she wants to feel the warmth and happiness, deep, deep inside, of what this world truly has to offer..."...

And if God, doesn't pick up the phone, right away...I've got him on speed dial...and I got his cell phone number too...so I'll be calling, again & again...

So, do understand Margo, you are not alone, and there are many of us, just like you...We just want you to know, we do care...and we do understand, you, totally, 100%...

Grab ahold of the STRENGTH...and the POWER...of just knowing...you are not alone...

Surely, you never, ever, will be alone...because there are "Healing Hands" everywhere, in places, you don't expect it...

God Bless,

Jim

Healing Hands

Recently I was told that my days are numbered and that I will become ambulatory. I asked what that meant and was told my scooter will be my best friend.Well, I shed my closet tears and put on my stiff upper lip and went on with my day. My housekeep which my husband surprised me with came and decided that whatever the doctor said was utter nonsence and anyone can be healed with "healing hands". She proceeded to lay hands on me along with her "helpers". I tried to tell her that just maybe "this was my cross to bare". I often times think of it that way. But noooo... She said we were not intended to walk this earth sick. How does this fit in your current discussion?? ? Well as I was reading the post about the remedies often times pushed on us here I felt that this one is often times overlooked or maybe no one wants to talk about it. It's out there. My Sunday school class had a discussion about

how people that are sick are that way because of a sin they haven't confessed. I've listened through sermons about this too. I know this isn't a religious forum but I know this has to cross someones path occassionally. How do you get them to back off??? I've even tried to explain it by say I'm like the appostle who was given the thorn in his side. I feel like I am helping others in Chronic Pain through this because I do run a support group through my church. I do try to do good work through this experience. So, my question is....how do you respond to these helpful remedies of confessions? ??....and lets not forget the "healing hands". I'm not healed yet I'm told because I don't believe God can heal me. I tried to say there's a bunch of hardware that man put in there and they responded with but God can take all that away... I'm a practicing Christian and it's not that I don't think he can't

take it away it's that I think it was in His plan to put it in there to start with. When I've said that in the past I get these shocked looks like I'm some sort of "hethen"! Does anyone have a "remedie" to dealing with these helpful people???Margo

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February 7, 2009

Thank you for understanding what I was trying to say. I'm having to take alot of medication due to my neuropathy flaring up full throttle. I've never heard of the "veggie tales". Sounds like my kind of vegetable. I never thought of praying for them but they do need a little enlightenment...

From: nerilka365 <nerilka365@...>Subject: Re: Healing Hands Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 2:09 PM

Margo--I'm not good at telling jokes but here's the gist of two that may helpyou - they've run the sermon circuit where I am (NortheastEpiscopalian) and maybe they havn't made it to your corner yet.The first one is about a woman whose refrigerator broke down so shestarted laying hands on it and praying to God to fix it. Afterseveral weeks, her friend stopped by and the woman confesses that Godhasn't helped her yet. Her friend lays a hand on the woman and says,"Maybe God is telling you to go out and buy a new refrigerator. "The second one is about a man caught in a terrible storm/flood. A buscomes by and the Red Cross volunteer urges him to get in but the mandeclares that God will save him and he refuses to leave his home. Asthe flood waters rise through his house, he moves from the first floorto the second floor. Next a boat comes by and the people on boardurge him to get in, but again

he declares that God will save him andrefuses to leave. Still the waters rise, and he is forced to evacuateto the top of his roof. Then a helicopter comes by and the policemanurges him to climb the rope ladder to safety, but the man once againdeclares that God will save him and refuses to leave. Finally the mandrowns and dies. When he gets to Heaven, he confronts God bydemanding to know why God didn't save him. God sighs and answers, Isent you a truck, a rowboat, and a helicopter, why didn't you listento Me?Or, if you are like me and can't tell a joke well, then resort toquoting VeggieTales, the kiddie shows. (We have the entire set.) Their anthem is: God made you special and he loves you very much. They also have a song with a chorus that goes:He thought it all over,he made me JUST RIGHTI make him happy, I am his delight,when I look in the mirror, I see his touch...God made me

special and he loves me very much.I think people who try to make you feel inadequate by saying it isyour lack of faith that has caused you so much pain are not followingJesus' commandment to love thy neighbor as thyself because I'm surethey wouldn't want to be told the reason they have big ears (or afunny looking nose or stubby legs) is because they don't have enoughfaith and if they had enough faith then God would correct theirshortcomings to make them perfect in every single way, inside andoutside. Perhaps you can look them straight in the eyes and say, I'llpray for you, since they certainly need God's help to change theirhurtful ways!>> Recently I was told that my days are numbered and that I will

become > ambulatory. I asked what that meant and was told my scooter will be > my best friend.> > Well, I shed my closet tears and put on my stiff upper lip and went > on with my day. My housekeep which my husband surprised me with came > and decided that whatever the doctor said was utter nonsence and > anyone can be healed with "healing hands". She proceeded to lay > hands on me along with her "helpers". I tried to tell her that just > maybe "this was my cross to bare". I often times think of it that > way. But noooo... She said we were not intended to walk this earth > sick. How does this fit in your current discussion?? ? Well as I was > reading the post about the remedies often times pushed on us here I > felt that this one is often times overlooked or maybe no one wants to > talk about it. It's out there. My Sunday school class had a >

discussion about how people that are sick are that way because of a > sin they haven't confessed. I've listened through sermons about this > too. I know this isn't a religious forum but I know this has to > cross someones path occassionally. How do you get them to back > off??? I've even tried to explain it by say I'm like the appostle > who was given the thorn in his side. I feel like I am helping > others in Chronic Pain through this because I do run a support group > through my church. I do try to do good work through this > experience. > > So, my question is....how do you respond to these helpful remedies of > confessions? ??....and lets not forget the "healing hands". I'm not > healed yet I'm told because I don't believe God can heal me. I tried > to say there's a bunch of hardware that man put in there and they > responded with but God can take

all that away... I'm a practicing > Christian and it's not that I don't think he can't take it away it's > that I think it was in His plan to put it in there to start with. > When I've said that in the past I get these shocked looks like I'm > some sort of "hethen"! Does anyone have a "remedie" to dealing with > these helpful people???> > Margo>

February 7, 2009

They found mine by accident when I was 5. My sister was being seen for it and the doctor asked to take a look at me since I was there. I would venture to guess it had been there since I was born. Let's say I did develope Scoliosis over night....what could a 5 yr old have done to warrant the years of suffering with bracing, PT, repeated surgeries, the domino of problems it causes as you get older....y'all know the routine.

From: Judith <highs_and_lows08@...>Subject: Re: Healing Hands Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 3:18 PM

Hi Margo, I'm afraid I don't know the answer to this but I'm afraid it may fall into the same group of people we were discussing on a previous thread, the "try my osteopath" or the "I take two paracetamol and it goes away" - you may have to just rise above it. Which is not to say that "faith healing" doesnt work for some people - it does! I am a great advocate for holistic complementary medicine, people in general are too quick to dismiss the slightly quirky stuff for whatever reason - me? I say if it might help and it wont make it worse give it a go. I personally have a good success rate with "distraction technique" but other things will work for other people, I mean it wasnt so long ago that acupucture and breathing exercises were considered odd and now they are mainstream medicine.

My mum is very active with the church and goes to church every week. She is very strong in her faith and it comforts her when she is in pain (she suffers with her health). She believes that God has given her these conditions for a reason, she's just not aware of what that reason is yet. Possibly it's all the lives she touches when she goes to clinics and always makes the staff and other patients smile with her happy nature? who knows?

And not to question others beliefs (which is not my way - I'm a live and let live kind of person) but if all this scoliosis etc stuff is a punishment for unconfessed sins - what did I do? I've suffered with this since I was born - How can a baby have sins?

From: mail_margo <mail_margo (DOT) com>FeistyScolioFlatbac kers@groups .comSent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 5:25:09 PMSubject: Healing Hands

Recently I was told that my days are numbered and that I will become ambulatory. I asked what that meant and was told my scooter will be my best friend.Well, I shed my closet tears and put on my stiff upper lip and went on with my day. My housekeep which my husband surprised me with came and decided that whatever the doctor said was utter nonsence and anyone can be healed with "healing hands". She proceeded to lay hands on me along with her "helpers". I tried to tell her that just maybe "this was my cross to bare". I often times think of it that way. But noooo... She said we were not intended to walk this earth sick. How does this fit in your current discussion?? ? Well as I was reading the post about the remedies often times pushed on us here I felt that this one is often times overlooked or maybe no one wants to talk about it. It's out there. My Sunday school class had a discussion about

how people that are sick are that way because of a sin they haven't confessed. I've listened through sermons about this too. I know this isn't a religious forum but I know this has to cross someones path occassionally. How do you get them to back off??? I've even tried to explain it by say I'm like the appostle who was given the thorn in his side. I feel like I am helping others in Chronic Pain through this because I do run a support group through my church. I do try to do good work through this experience. So, my question is....how do you respond to these helpful remedies of confessions? ??....and lets not forget the "healing hands". I'm not healed yet I'm told because I don't believe God can heal me. I tried to say there's a bunch of hardware that man put in there and they responded with but God can take all that away... I'm a practicing Christian and it's not that I don't think he can't

take it away it's that I think it was in His plan to put it in there to start with. When I've said that in the past I get these shocked looks like I'm some sort of "hethen"! Does anyone have a "remedie" to dealing with these helpful people???Margo

February 7, 2009

I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "you play with the cards you are dealt.". Now that was helpful advice. Between that and asking why they are judging the work of God...I can definitely feel Him smiling over my shoulder this very moment...

From: Judith <highs_and_lows08@...>Subject: Re: Re: Healing Hands Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 3:32 PM

Yes, I've heard those as well

similar to another one on a similar theme.....

A man is praying... "dear God, please make me win the lottery"

his situation becomes worse "dear god, please help me win the lottery"

his situation becomes dire "dear God, I need to win the lottery, I'm begging you to help me"sadly he dies and goes to heaven "Lord? why didn't you help me??"

God says "you could have met me halfway and BOUGHT A TICKET!!!!"

I agree with you though Nerilka, you can see miracles in every living thing - and they are all different - if god wanted us all carbon copies - then so we would be. Which is not to say "it's all God's fault" but more to take a breath and accept that things happen according to our own fate - It's what you chose to do with it that matters? You play with the cards you are Dealt....

......Oh someone shut me up please....talk about philosophical

From: nerilka365 <nerilka365 (DOT) com>FeistyScolioFlatbac kers@groups .comSent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 8:09:54 PMSubject: Re: Healing Hands

Margo--I'm not good at telling jokes but here's the gist of two that may helpyou - they've run the sermon circuit where I am (NortheastEpiscopalian) and maybe they havn't made it to your corner yet.The first one is about a woman whose refrigerator broke down so shestarted laying hands on it and praying to God to fix it. Afterseveral weeks, her friend stopped by and the woman confesses that Godhasn't helped her yet. Her friend lays a hand on the woman and says,"Maybe God is telling you to go out and buy a new refrigerator. "The second one is about a man caught in a terrible storm/flood. A buscomes by and the Red Cross volunteer urges him to get in but the mandeclares that God will save him and he refuses to leave his home. Asthe flood waters rise through his house, he moves from the first floorto the second floor. Next a boat comes by and the people on boardurge him to get in, but again

he declares that God will save him andrefuses to leave. Still the waters rise, and he is forced to evacuateto the top of his roof. Then a helicopter comes by and the policemanurges him to climb the rope ladder to safety, but the man once againdeclares that God will save him and refuses to leave. Finally the mandrowns and dies. When he gets to Heaven, he confronts God bydemanding to know why God didn't save him. God sighs and answers, Isent you a truck, a rowboat, and a helicopter, why didn't you listento Me?Or, if you are like me and can't tell a joke well, then resort toquoting VeggieTales, the kiddie shows. (We have the entire set.) Their anthem is: God made you special and he loves you very much. They also have a song with a chorus that goes:He thought it all over,he made me JUST RIGHTI make him happy, I am his delight,when I look in the mirror, I see his touch...God made me

special and he loves me very much.I think people who try to make you feel inadequate by saying it isyour lack of faith that has caused you so much pain are not followingJesus' commandment to love thy neighbor as thyself because I'm surethey wouldn't want to be told the reason they have big ears (or afunny looking nose or stubby legs) is because they don't have enoughfaith and if they had enough faith then God would correct theirshortcomings to make them perfect in every single way, inside andoutside. Perhaps you can look them straight in the eyes and say, I'llpray for you, since they certainly need God's help to change theirhurtful ways!>> Recently I was told that my days are numbered and that I will

become > ambulatory. I asked what that meant and was told my scooter will be > my best friend.> > Well, I shed my closet tears and put on my stiff upper lip and went > on with my day. My housekeep which my husband surprised me with came > and decided that whatever the doctor said was utter nonsence and > anyone can be healed with "healing hands". She proceeded to lay > hands on me along with her "helpers". I tried to tell her that just > maybe "this was my cross to bare". I often times think of it that > way. But noooo... She said we were not intended to walk this earth > sick. How does this fit in your current discussion?? ? Well as I was > reading the post about the remedies often times pushed on us here I > felt that this one is often times overlooked or maybe no one wants to > talk about it. It's out there. My Sunday school class had a >

discussion about how people that are sick are that way because of a > sin they haven't confessed. I've listened through sermons about this > too. I know this isn't a religious forum but I know this has to > cross someones path occassionally. How do you get them to back > off??? I've even tried to explain it by say I'm like the appostle > who was given the thorn in his side. I feel like I am helping > others in Chronic Pain through this because I do run a support group > through my church. I do try to do good work through this > experience. > > So, my question is....how do you respond to these helpful remedies of > confessions? ??....and lets not forget the "healing hands". I'm not > healed yet I'm told because I don't believe God can heal me. I tried > to say there's a bunch of hardware that man put in there and they > responded with but God can take

all that away... I'm a practicing > Christian and it's not that I don't think he can't take it away it's > that I think it was in His plan to put it in there to start with. > When I've said that in the past I get these shocked looks like I'm > some sort of "hethen"! Does anyone have a "remedie" to dealing with > these helpful people???> > Margo>

February 7, 2009

You lost me between the Serial Killer, the Key and then the banana fudge ice cream in the freezer box. I was having trouble following your line of thought because my brain was soaking in the "lyrica ocean" sipping on a coctail of who knows what in my pain pump along with my break through meds....zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

From: Judith <highs_and_lows08@...>Subject: Re: Healing Hands Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 3:35 PM

awwwwwwwwwwww that was so sweet jim

agreed - the "fiesties" (love it!) will offer you our version of the "healing hands" - not to fix but to comfort and understand.

judith

From: Jim O Leary <griffinjim63@ charter.net>FeistyScolioFlatbac kers@groups .comSent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 7:34:49 PMSubject: Re: Healing Hands