Guest guest Posted August 31, 2000 Report Share Posted August 31, 2000 Aubin: Yes that is exactly what I have found too!! Aubin said: > illnesses such as Whooping > > Cough tend only to be deadly in those under 6 months > > of age? (Also > > Whooping cough is very common!!) > > Joann, I'm glad you said this. In my research about > vax and diseases, I've come to the opinion that > whooping cough (pertussis) is not uncommon. The > characteristic " whoop " isn't always present, so people > may not ever consider it. How many kids get a nagging > cough that hangs on for weeks or months? How many > adults? It happens all the time, and while I'm not > saying every case like that is whooping cough, I > believe many of them are but aren't diagnosed as such, > mainly because most kids have been vaxed for it so the > assumption is made that it can't possibly be whooping > cough. I don't think the vax gives much protection. > People have bought the line that whooping cough has > gone down because of it, but one of the reasons it > looks that way is that it's simply not considered Here is a link to an interesting article on this if anyone is interested http://www.sciencenews.org/archives/19951125/fob2.asp JoAnn Farb Compassionate Souls -- Raising the Next Generation to Change the World http://www.CompassionateSouls.com How to bring up your children to honor your values and not those dictated by corporations. Vital information to give your children the best start in life: From conscious pregnancy, to giving birth with the minimum of medical intervention, to breastfeeding, selecting toys, dealing with the family, living in community, and making informed decisions about vaccination and homeschooling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2001 Report Share Posted March 31, 2001 From one of my favorite homeopaths in Maine... ashryn wrote, >well, one of my worst nightmares may have come true.. my unvaccinated 3year >old has a very nasty cough that i have been told sounds like the beginnings >of whooping cough. It is never easy when our own young-ones take sick. I find it easy to offer knowledgable reassurance to my patients, but struggle so often in these same situations with my own pain at seeing my own boys not feeling well. Find someone for hugs (someone must know a nifty little e-mail symbol for hugs?) > i guess what i am looking for is reassurance that i am doing the right >thing, it is so hard to hold on to my faith in homoeopathy (actually in my >own abilities) when i am so close to it.. there isnt anything allopathy can >do anyway, is there? Conventional medicine can only intervene with supportive care (observation, humidity, hydration, oxygen). Antibiotics do *not* affect the course of the illness (except, perhaps, in the very early catarrhal phase, before there is any clue that this might be whooping cough); they may be given to the patient to reduce the possibility of contagion to others. But consider that the most common side-effect of erythromycin (the antibiotic most often used for this) is nausea ... Perhaps one of the reasons allopathy worries so much about pertussis is, that they " gots nothin' to do " for it. & allopaths basically *hate* it when that happens. >the cough is worse at night, and she has to sit up to cough, and ends up >with tears streaming down her face after each bout.(not crying from grief, >but from the sheer exertion.) she seems to be being very brave, and when she >isnt coughing seems perfectly fine My experience with pertussis is, that it is much much more difficult for the parents than it is for the child. It is very hard to watch these paroxysmal coughing episodes. I mean sure, they're rough for the kid to go thru, but as parents we feel so incredibly helpless. The kids seem mostly to recover just fine. >her picture is that of a perfect pulsatilla, although the remedy does not >act. so i gave her one dose of silica (the first chronic of puls) Recall what Edouard wrote recently about the pace of remedies (he used Bell & Calc-c as examples). It would be very unusual to see Silica called for in an acute pertussis case in the paroxysmal cough phase - the pace of this remedy just does not match the pace of the acute paroxysmal illness. Many of the common symptoms of pertussis seem to fit Pulsatilla - worse in the first part of the night, <lying down, > (or at least prefers) sitting up, etc. You usually need to look further at more differentiating symptoms to find the simillimum. As an aside, not really applicable to this case, if a " chronic of Puls " does need to be given, it should still be a remedy that fits the whole picture. Only Silica if it fits. See Boenninghausen's concordances (in the back of his repertory) for other possibilities. >and it >seemed to ease the cough for one night, but the next day she was back to the >same deep wrenching cough that makes her feel like vomiting. it does seem >that she has more mucus when she coughs now and it is slightly less >spasmodic.. is this an improvement? I suspect it is an indication that the remedy was not correct. >her cough seems to fit drosera, but not the mentals..if i gave this, would >it be supressive? I have rarely seen the persecution, etc. of Drosera during a Drosera whooping cough acute. Go to the most characteristic symptoms of the case - which will likely be in the modalities ( & times), the physical generals, concomitants to the cough, and any strongly characterizing physical particulars. >it has been going on for about 2 weeks now and i am starting to get very >worried. Going on for 2 weeks as it has, it is likely that you've pretty much already seen what is in store for you. Emphasize rest ( & restful activity) for all of the family during the day, so you can all pace yourself through this. Plan on little treats for yourself during the predictable night wakings, & breaks for self-refreshment during the day, & work out some alternation of responsibilities so you don't all get exhausted simultaneously. I hope for the best for your family - >i guess i am having some trouble just sitting back and waiting.. >in my experience, homoeopathy works faster than this.. It usually does. I would expect at the least to see the cough settle down into a semi-disturbing, no-gagging night-time cough without nausea or wretching. Will , MD ------------------------------------------------------------- To leave this list, email <homeopathy-request@...> with the body text: leave homeopathy ------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Director email - wwithin@... http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin Well Within and Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours PO Box 1563, Nevada City, CA 95959 USA Phone 530-272-7306 Fax 530-272-7316 Broadcaster/DJ at KVMR FM - Community Radio, 89.5, 99.3, 103.7, Nevada City International Sacred Site Tours, Homeopathic Education, Dangers of Vaccination, Holistic Homestudy Courses for Nurses --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK 530-478-1242 Voicemail http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. 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Guest guest Posted March 31, 2001 Report Share Posted March 31, 2001 I recall seeing a short blurb in this month's " Mothering " magazine (pgs 26 & 28 of the Your Letters section) about how it was discovered all the way back in 1938 that Vitamin C shortened bouts of pertussis. Supposedly you can read the reports yourself at www.seanet.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2001 Report Share Posted March 31, 2001 I printed it out,it is from the 1930's but very interesting.I wish more studies were done on the effects of vitamin therapy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2001 Report Share Posted April 1, 2001 At 12:13 AM 04/01/2001 EST, you wrote: >I printed it out,it is from the 1930's but very interesting.I wish more >studies were done on the effects of vitamin therapy. No money in vitamins for those drug cos Vitamin C and Vitamin A - use them. Get mercury free cod liver oil and use it (very beneficial for measles!) GEt Vitamin C and use lots of it - preferably Sodium Ascorbate - we are talking huge amounts all the time - not just when sick -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK 530-478-1242 Voicemail http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2001 Report Share Posted April 20, 2001 From ahomeopath I know and respect. sheri ashryn wrote, >well, one of my worst nightmares may have come true.. my unvaccinated 3year >old has a very nasty cough that i have been told sounds like the beginnings >of whooping cough. It is never easy when our own young-ones take sick. I find it easy to offer knowledgable reassurance to my patients, but struggle so often in these same situations with my own pain at seeing my own boys not feeling well. Find someone for hugs (someone must know a nifty little e-mail symbol for hugs?) > i guess what i am looking for is reassurance that i am doing the right >thing, it is so hard to hold on to my faith in homoeopathy (actually in my >own abilities) when i am so close to it.. there isnt anything allopathy can >do anyway, is there? Conventional medicine can only intervene with supportive care (observation, humidity, hydration, oxygen). Antibiotics do *not* affect the course of the illness (except, perhaps, in the very early catarrhal phase, before there is any clue that this might be whooping cough); they may be given to the patient to reduce the possibility of contagion to others. But consider that the most common side-effect of erythromycin (the antibiotic most often used for this) is nausea ... Perhaps one of the reasons allopathy worries so much about pertussis is, that they " gots nothin' to do " for it. & allopaths basically *hate* it when that happens. >the cough is worse at night, and she has to sit up to cough, and ends up >with tears streaming down her face after each bout.(not crying from grief, >but from the sheer exertion.) she seems to be being very brave, and when she >isnt coughing seems perfectly fine My experience with pertussis is, that it is much much more difficult for the parents than it is for the child. It is very hard to watch these paroxysmal coughing episodes. I mean sure, they're rough for the kid to go thru, but as parents we feel so incredibly helpless. The kids seem mostly to recover just fine. >her picture is that of a perfect pulsatilla, although the remedy does not >act. so i gave her one dose of silica (the first chronic of puls) Recall what Edouard wrote recently about the pace of remedies (he used Bell & Calc-c as examples). It would be very unusual to see Silica called for in an acute pertussis case in the paroxysmal cough phase - the pace of this remedy just does not match the pace of the acute paroxysmal illness. Many of the common symptoms of pertussis seem to fit Pulsatilla - worse in the first part of the night, <lying down, > (or at least prefers) sitting up, etc. You usually need to look further at more differentiating symptoms to find the simillimum. As an aside, not really applicable to this case, if a " chronic of Puls " does need to be given, it should still be a remedy that fits the whole picture. Only Silica if it fits. See Boenninghausen's concordances (in the back of his repertory) for other possibilities. >and it >seemed to ease the cough for one night, but the next day she was back to the >same deep wrenching cough that makes her feel like vomiting. it does seem >that she has more mucus when she coughs now and it is slightly less >spasmodic.. is this an improvement? I suspect it is an indication that the remedy was not correct. >her cough seems to fit drosera, but not the mentals..if i gave this, would >it be supressive? I have rarely seen the persecution, etc. of Drosera during a Drosera whooping cough acute. Go to the most characteristic symptoms of the case - which will likely be in the modalities ( & times), the physical generals, concomitants to the cough, and any strongly characterizing physical particulars. >it has been going on for about 2 weeks now and i am starting to get very >worried. Going on for 2 weeks as it has, it is likely that you've pretty much already seen what is in store for you. Emphasize rest ( & restful activity) for all of the family during the day, so you can all pace yourself through this. Plan on little treats for yourself during the predictable night wakings, & breaks for self-refreshment during the day, & work out some alternation of responsibilities so you don't all get exhausted simultaneously. I hope for the best for your family - >i guess i am having some trouble just sitting back and waiting.. >in my experience, homoeopathy works faster than this.. It usually does. I would expect at the least to see the cough settle down into a semi-disturbing, no-gagging night-time cough without nausea or wretching. Will , MD ------------------------------------------------------------- To leave this list, email <homeopathy-request@...> with the body text: leave homeopathy ------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Director email - wwithin@... http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin Well Within and Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours PO Box 1563, Nevada City, CA 95959 USA Phone 530-272-7306 Fax 530-272-7316 Broadcaster/DJ at KVMR FM - Community Radio, 89.5, 99.3, 103.7, Nevada City International Sacred Site Tours, Homeopathic Education, Dangers of Vaccination, Holistic Homestudy Courses for Nurses --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK 530-478-1242 Voicemail http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2001 Report Share Posted April 21, 2001 I feel exactly the same way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2001 Report Share Posted April 21, 2001 Hi , I think I know how you feel. I am a mom to an 8-month old baby girl who has yet to become ill with anything except for some slight noisy breathing. For which I gave her elderberry liquid forumulated for children. Seemed to do the trick. Anyhow I admit that I'm nervous about illnesses that lie ahead, but I shake off that nervousness real quick when I think what the alternative is! Also, I am continuing to learn about how to treat (or not treat) infectious disease. I still have a long ways to go. I'm learning about herbs, homeopathics, essential oils, flower essences. Anyway, my point is that I will rely only on MYSELF to treat an illness. My naturopath is only as backup. It sounds like you may want to continue learning about natural remedies (and having them on hand) so that you can become more confident during an illness. Also, it sounds like you need to find a different doctor. One who is not so quick to give drugs. Certainly, you need to find someone you feel confident with. Makes all the difference in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2001 Report Share Posted April 21, 2001 Geez, I keep hearing about this paleo diet. I guess I'm gonna have to check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2001 Report Share Posted April 21, 2001 I've been finding it really easy to say I'll deal with illnesses when they come, but when they are actually a reality it makes me rethink my whole decision. My daughter had a high fever and bad cough the other night and I was up at 2 am doing the warm bath thing looking through my Smart Medicine for Healthier Child and feeling very nervous. She's four so I felt okay, but when I look at my 8 mo. old and picture her with measles or whooping cough, I feel very scared. My Dr./homeopath isn't the best and is more apt to give me allopathic meds then homeopathic. With my own recent strep throat scare, by the time we figured out what I didn't have (ie strep or mono) he felt I was getting better so he didn't want to give a remedy. I suffered for a week with a bad sore throat and fever! I don't know what my point is but it's such a leap of faith sometimes and I don't always trust my ability to heal my children or my dr.'s. L. Proud mom to Autumn 1-13-97 & Zoe 8-8-00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2001 Report Share Posted April 21, 2001 >I've been finding it really easy to say I'll deal with illnesses when they come, but when they are actually a reality it makes me rethink my whole decision. My daughter had a high fever and bad cough the other night and I was up at 2 am doing the warm bath thing looking through my Smart Medicine for Healthier Child and feeling very nervous. She's four so I felt okay, but when I look at my 8 mo. old and picture her with measles or whooping cough, I feel very scared. My Dr./homeopath isn't the best and is more apt to give me allopathic meds then homeopathic. With my own recent strep throat scare, by the time we figured out what I didn't have (ie strep or mono) he felt I was getting better so he didn't want to give a remedy. I suffered for a week with a bad sore throat and fever! I don't know what my point is but it's such a leap of faith sometimes and I don't always trust my ability to heal my children or my dr.'s. > L. >Proud mom to Autumn 1-13-97 & Zoe 8-8-00 We are taught that we can't do it - that we have to rely on a doctor - that our bodies can't heal. You just have to go thru the fire and deal with it. There is no way to make it easier. We often don't have parents who have been thru illnesses with us either - I'm 50 so that is not the case. Illness is part of life and is natural and normal and we have been taught we have to give something and make it go away andt hat is what is killing us. You just have to be as informed as you can be, have the best support that you can for alternatives and go for it. Sorry, there is no easy answer - but mostly it is 'wrong' thinking that we were taught. -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK 530-478-1242 Voicemail http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2001 Report Share Posted April 21, 2001 I would rather suffer thru the cough, than have a child injured for life by the vax. You can recover your child from a cough, very difficult if not impossible, to recover a child from the vax. If your child is on a paleo diet, he/she will not get whooping cough , anyway, it is a disease caused by poor diet. see paleodiet.com neanderthin.com At 12:06 AM 4/21/01 +0100, you wrote: >>From ahomeopath I know and respect. >sheri > >ashryn wrote, > >>well, one of my worst nightmares may have come true.. my unvaccinated 3year >>old has a very nasty cough that i have been told sounds like the beginnings >>of whooping cough. > >It is never easy when our own young-ones take sick. I find it easy to >offer knowledgable reassurance to my patients, but struggle so often in >these same situations with my own pain at seeing my own boys not feeling >well. Find someone for hugs (someone must know a nifty little e-mail >symbol for hugs?) > >> i guess what i am looking for is reassurance that i am doing the right >>thing, it is so hard to hold on to my faith in homoeopathy (actually in my >>own abilities) when i am so close to it.. there isnt anything allopathy can >>do anyway, is there? > >Conventional medicine can only intervene with supportive care (observation, >humidity, hydration, oxygen). Antibiotics do *not* affect the course of >the illness (except, perhaps, in the very early catarrhal phase, before >there is any clue that this might be whooping cough); they may be given to >the patient to reduce the possibility of contagion to others. But consider >that the most common side-effect of erythromycin (the antibiotic most often >used for this) is nausea ... > >Perhaps one of the reasons allopathy worries so much about pertussis is, >that they " gots nothin' to do " for it. & allopaths basically *hate* it >when that happens. > >>the cough is worse at night, and she has to sit up to cough, and ends up >>with tears streaming down her face after each bout.(not crying from grief, >>but from the sheer exertion.) she seems to be being very brave, and when she >>isnt coughing seems perfectly fine > >My experience with pertussis is, that it is much much more difficult for >the parents than it is for the child. It is very hard to watch these >paroxysmal coughing episodes. I mean sure, they're rough for the kid to go >thru, but as parents we feel so incredibly helpless. The kids seem mostly >to recover just fine. > >>her picture is that of a perfect pulsatilla, although the remedy does not >>act. so i gave her one dose of silica (the first chronic of puls) > >Recall what Edouard wrote recently about the pace of remedies (he used Bell > & Calc-c as examples). It would be very unusual to see Silica called for >in an acute pertussis case in the paroxysmal cough phase - the pace of this >remedy just does not match the pace of the acute paroxysmal illness. > >Many of the common symptoms of pertussis seem to fit Pulsatilla - worse in >the first part of the night, <lying down, > (or at least prefers) sitting >up, etc. You usually need to look further at more differentiating symptoms >to find the simillimum. > >As an aside, not really applicable to this case, if a " chronic of Puls " >does need to be given, it should still be a remedy that fits the whole >picture. Only Silica if it fits. See Boenninghausen's concordances (in >the back of his repertory) for other possibilities. > >>and it >>seemed to ease the cough for one night, but the next day she was back to the >>same deep wrenching cough that makes her feel like vomiting. it does seem >>that she has more mucus when she coughs now and it is slightly less >>spasmodic.. is this an improvement? > >I suspect it is an indication that the remedy was not correct. > >>her cough seems to fit drosera, but not the mentals..if i gave this, would >>it be supressive? > >I have rarely seen the persecution, etc. of Drosera during a Drosera >whooping cough acute. Go to the most characteristic symptoms of the case - >which will likely be in the modalities ( & times), the physical generals, >concomitants to the cough, and any strongly characterizing physical >particulars. > >>it has been going on for about 2 weeks now and i am starting to get very >>worried. > >Going on for 2 weeks as it has, it is likely that you've pretty much >already seen what is in store for you. Emphasize rest ( & restful activity) >for all of the family during the day, so you can all pace yourself through >this. Plan on little treats for yourself during the predictable night >wakings, & breaks for self-refreshment during the day, & work out some >alternation of responsibilities so you don't all get exhausted >simultaneously. > >I hope for the best for your family - > >>i guess i am having some trouble just sitting back and waiting.. >>in my experience, homoeopathy works faster than this.. > >It usually does. I would expect at the least to see the cough settle down >into a semi-disturbing, no-gagging night-time cough without nausea or >wretching. > > >Will , MD > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > To leave this list, email <homeopathy-request@...> > with the body text: leave homeopathy > ------------------------------------------------------------- > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- >Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Director email - wwithin@... > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin >Well Within and Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours >PO Box 1563, Nevada City, CA 95959 USA >Phone 530-272-7306 Fax 530-272-7316 > Broadcaster/DJ at KVMR FM - Community Radio, 89.5, 99.3, 103.7, Nevada City >International Sacred Site Tours, Homeopathic Education, > Dangers of Vaccination, Holistic Homestudy Courses for Nurses >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-------------------------------------------------------- >Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA >Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK >530-478-1242 Voicemail >http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & >women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke >ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE >DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. >Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours >http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin >International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers >Education, Homeopathic Education >CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2001 Report Share Posted April 21, 2001 Hi , I know how you feel, I feel the same sometimes..... I think it is because we don't know much about homeopathy yet, the unknown, you know? I hope with time, support from people and more information, we will be more confident in our decisions..... Sue, mum to Ruby(23 months) Wales,UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2001 Report Share Posted April 21, 2001 I haven't heard of diet causing whooping cough, but would be interested to read more. Do you have a link that backs that up? (sorry if it's on one of the two you listed- I skimmed each one but didn't see it). Thanks- ~Kelli > > If your child is on a paleo diet, he/she will not get whooping cough , > anyway, it is a disease caused by poor diet. > > see paleodiet.com > neanderthin.com > > > At 12:06 AM 4/21/01 +0100, you wrote: > >>From ahomeopath I know and respect. > >sheri > > > >ashryn wrote, > > > >>well, one of my worst nightmares may have come true.. my unvaccinated 3year > >>old has a very nasty cough that i have been told sounds like the beginnings > >>of whooping cough. > > > >It is never easy when our own young-ones take sick. I find it easy to > >offer knowledgable reassurance to my patients, but struggle so often in > >these same situations with my own pain at seeing my own boys not feeling > >well. Find someone for hugs (someone must know a nifty little e-mail > >symbol for hugs?) > > > >> i guess what i am looking for is reassurance that i am doing the right > >>thing, it is so hard to hold on to my faith in homoeopathy (actually in my > >>own abilities) when i am so close to it.. there isnt anything allopathy can > >>do anyway, is there? > > > >Conventional medicine can only intervene with supportive care (observation, > >humidity, hydration, oxygen). Antibiotics do *not* affect the course of > >the illness (except, perhaps, in the very early catarrhal phase, before > >there is any clue that this might be whooping cough); they may be given to > >the patient to reduce the possibility of contagion to others. But consider > >that the most common side-effect of erythromycin (the antibiotic most often > >used for this) is nausea ... > > > >Perhaps one of the reasons allopathy worries so much about pertussis is, > >that they " gots nothin' to do " for it. & allopaths basically *hate* it > >when that happens. > > > >>the cough is worse at night, and she has to sit up to cough, and ends up > >>with tears streaming down her face after each bout.(not crying from grief, > >>but from the sheer exertion.) she seems to be being very brave, and when she > >>isnt coughing seems perfectly fine > > > >My experience with pertussis is, that it is much much more difficult for > >the parents than it is for the child. It is very hard to watch these > >paroxysmal coughing episodes. I mean sure, they're rough for the kid to go > >thru, but as parents we feel so incredibly helpless. The kids seem mostly > >to recover just fine. > > > >>her picture is that of a perfect pulsatilla, although the remedy does not > >>act. so i gave her one dose of silica (the first chronic of puls) > > > >Recall what Edouard wrote recently about the pace of remedies (he used Bell > > & Calc-c as examples). It would be very unusual to see Silica called for > >in an acute pertussis case in the paroxysmal cough phase - the pace of this > >remedy just does not match the pace of the acute paroxysmal illness. > > > >Many of the common symptoms of pertussis seem to fit Pulsatilla - worse in > >the first part of the night, <lying down, > (or at least prefers) sitting > >up, etc. You usually need to look further at more differentiating symptoms > >to find the simillimum. > > > >As an aside, not really applicable to this case, if a " chronic of Puls " > >does need to be given, it should still be a remedy that fits the whole > >picture. Only Silica if it fits. See Boenninghausen's concordances (in > >the back of his repertory) for other possibilities. > > > >>and it > >>seemed to ease the cough for one night, but the next day she was back to the > >>same deep wrenching cough that makes her feel like vomiting. it does seem > >>that she has more mucus when she coughs now and it is slightly less > >>spasmodic.. is this an improvement? > > > >I suspect it is an indication that the remedy was not correct. > > > >>her cough seems to fit drosera, but not the mentals..if i gave this, would > >>it be supressive? > > > >I have rarely seen the persecution, etc. of Drosera during a Drosera > >whooping cough acute. Go to the most characteristic symptoms of the case - > >which will likely be in the modalities ( & times), the physical generals, > >concomitants to the cough, and any strongly characterizing physical > >particulars. > > > >>it has been going on for about 2 weeks now and i am starting to get very > >>worried. > > > >Going on for 2 weeks as it has, it is likely that you've pretty much > >already seen what is in store for you. Emphasize rest ( & restful activity) > >for all of the family during the day, so you can all pace yourself through > >this. Plan on little treats for yourself during the predictable night > >wakings, & breaks for self-refreshment during the day, & work out some > >alternation of responsibilities so you don't all get exhausted > >simultaneously. > > > >I hope for the best for your family - > > > >>i guess i am having some trouble just sitting back and waiting.. > >>in my experience, homoeopathy works faster than this.. > > > >It usually does. I would expect at the least to see the cough settle down > >into a semi-disturbing, no-gagging night-time cough without nausea or > >wretching. > > > > > >Will , MD > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > To leave this list, email <homeopathy-request@...> > > with the body text: leave homeopathy > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >------- > >Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Director email - wwithin@... > > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin > >Well Within and Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours > >PO Box 1563, Nevada City, CA 95959 USA > >Phone 530-272-7306 Fax 530-272-7316 > > Broadcaster/DJ at KVMR FM - Community Radio, 89.5, 99.3, 103.7, Nevada City > >International Sacred Site Tours, Homeopathic Education, > > Dangers of Vaccination, Holistic Homestudy Courses for Nurses > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >-------------------------------------------------------- > >Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA > >Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK > >530-478-1242 Voicemail > >http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > > " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & > >women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke > >ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. 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Guest guest Posted April 22, 2001 Report Share Posted April 22, 2001 YOU don't, nor does anyone, heal your child! each of us heal ourselves. There are ways to improve our bodies ability to heal. So you wanna trust allopaths and their standard of care? Which is dictated by insurance companies who have no medical or nutritional background? How can your Dr/homeopath do both? If he prescribes a med over a remedy than he is not a homeopth as far as I am concerned! Doesn't he at least suggest both?and then let you decide? what are his qualifications as a homeopath? Pretty scary. He doesn't sound as if he is what you need so it's time to go shopping! Find someone who supports your lifestyle. Find a chiropractor. Sometimes they may have references. And a homeopathic book. The more you know, the more confident you'll feel. I don't think you should have suffered. But, as I say... I am not a medical doctor, nor do I portray one on t.v.! (But my husband,Mike,is!!!) Laurie>Bucyrus,Ohio mother to (13),Donovan(8), Buck(4),Luke(3), and (1) 2 csecs,3 VBACs(1 partial waterbirth, 1 complete waterbirth) Please visit us at our website http://www.goldenprideweb.com/drmikeandlaurie for information on nutritional supplements, including the original oral chelator, skin care, weight loss(The Florida Diet),Herbs for Health, and home products My Dr./homeopath isn't the best and is more apt to give me allopathic meds then homeopathic. With my own recent strep throat scare, by the time we figured out what I didn't have (ie strep or mono) he felt I was getting better so he didn't want to give a remedy. I suffered for a week with a bad sore throat and fever! and I don't always trust my ability to heal my children or my dr.'s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2001 Report Share Posted April 22, 2001 Laurie, My dr. has also gotten certified as a homeopath (I don't know the exact cert. but when I asked if he was classically trained he said yes.) He is well known in the area and by some other classically trained people that Sheri recommended. I LIKE the fact that he is able to see things from both points of view. It reminds me of the way Smart Medicine for a Healthier Child lays things out. I just think I need to be better on reiterating that I'd like a more natural approach tried first before allopathic medicine used. Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2001 Report Share Posted June 3, 2001 Sounds more like the croup. Moist air treatments work wonders for this. A hot, steamy shower or bath ) Whooping Cough Does anyone know if it's possible to have a really mild case of whooping cough? Four weeks ago our son came down with a runny nose and high fever which subsided within 48 hours of onset (we did not administer Tylenol or Advil). Then he started to cough a phlegmy occasional cough which turned into a persistent dry hacking cough (5 or more at a time) during which he vomitted sometimes and expelled mucus sometimes. We treated 2 or 3 times with Vicks vaporub on his chest and back, but nothing else. I only heard him make a whooping noise a few times. We're into our fifth week and he still suffers coughing spells 2 or 3 times a day. My understanding is that whooping cough is contagious for up to 6 weeks. We're wondering if we should isolate him. What do y'all think. Thanks for your help. Nicola Calgary, Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2001 Report Share Posted June 3, 2001 I don't know enough about whooping cough to know how the diagnosis is made, but it sure sounds like whooping cough, doesn't it? Don't know nothing about the contagion period, but just wanted to make sure you have heard of the study that said therapeutic doses of Vitamin C can cut the length of the illness in half. I just gave out the Vitamin C link a couple days ago - don't make me type it again - it's long. Kathleen n a message dated 6/3/2001 4:00:58 PM Central Daylight Time, pgaiser@... writes: > Does anyone know if it's possible to have a really mild case of > whooping cough? Four weeks ago our son came down with a runny nose > and high fever which subsided within 48 hours of onset (we did not > administer Tylenol or Advil). Then he started to cough a phlegmy > occasional cough which turned into a persistent dry hacking cough (5 > or more at a time) during which he vomitted sometimes and expelled > mucus sometimes. We treated 2 or 3 times with Vicks vaporub on his > chest and back, but nothing else. I only heard him make a whooping > noise a few times. We're into our fifth week and he still suffers > coughing spells 2 or 3 times a day. > > My understanding is that whooping cough is contagious for up to 6 > weeks. We're wondering if we should isolate him. What do y'all > think. > > Thanks for your help. > > Nicola > Calgary, Canada > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2001 Report Share Posted June 3, 2001 Moist air and warm showers do seem to help loosen the phlegm. The sound he made (admittedly only a few times) came only after a series of coughs when he was trying to inhale. He's had croup before, so we know what the bark sounds like. This latest sound was different. But who knows, maybe it's just a different sort of bark!! With children it seems as soon as you've figured out one thing, something else comes along to confound you. It certainly keeps us on our toes! Thanks. Nicola Calgary, Canada > Sounds more like the croup. Moist air treatments work wonders for this. A hot, steamy shower or bath ) > Whooping Cough > > > Does anyone know if it's possible to have a really mild case of > whooping cough? Four weeks ago our son came down with a runny nose > and high fever which subsided within 48 hours of onset (we did not > administer Tylenol or Advil). Then he started to cough a phlegmy > occasional cough which turned into a persistent dry hacking cough (5 > or more at a time) during which he vomitted sometimes and expelled > mucus sometimes. We treated 2 or 3 times with Vicks vaporub on his > chest and back, but nothing else. I only heard him make a whooping > noise a few times. We're into our fifth week and he still suffers > coughing spells 2 or 3 times a day. > > My understanding is that whooping cough is contagious for up to 6 > weeks. We're wondering if we should isolate him. What do y'all > think. > > Thanks for your help. > > Nicola > Calgary, Canada > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2001 Report Share Posted June 3, 2001 Yes, I believe I've checked out the link you mentioned, thanks for taking the time to post it. We've been giving him lots of Vitamin C and cod liver oil. On one hand, it does sound like whooping cough, but on the other it doesn't seem as serious as one would expect it to be. Add to that the fact that our younger son who is completely unvaccinated had an even milder case of whatever it was, while the son I've mentioned is partially vaccinated (and, according to conventional wisdom, should have had the milder case if it were whooping cough). One really doesn't know what to think. We're not overly worried about our kids, since they seem to be on the mend, we are more concerned about infecting other children, especially babies. We should probably play it safe, just in case. Thanks for your thoughts. Nicola Calgary, Canada > I don't know enough about whooping cough to know how the diagnosis is made, > but it sure sounds like whooping cough, doesn't it? Don't know nothing about > the contagion period, but just wanted to make sure you have heard of the > study that said therapeutic doses of Vitamin C can cut the length of the > illness in half. I just gave out the Vitamin C link a couple days ago - > don't make me type it again - it's long. > > Kathleen > > > n a message dated 6/3/2001 4:00:58 PM Central Daylight Time, > pgaiser@s... writes: > > > > Does anyone know if it's possible to have a really mild case of > > whooping cough? Four weeks ago our son came down with a runny nose > > and high fever which subsided within 48 hours of onset (we did not > > administer Tylenol or Advil). Then he started to cough a phlegmy > > occasional cough which turned into a persistent dry hacking cough (5 > > or more at a time) during which he vomitted sometimes and expelled > > mucus sometimes. We treated 2 or 3 times with Vicks vaporub on his > > chest and back, but nothing else. I only heard him make a whooping > > noise a few times. We're into our fifth week and he still suffers > > coughing spells 2 or 3 times a day. > > > > My understanding is that whooping cough is contagious for up to 6 > > weeks. We're wondering if we should isolate him. What do y'all > > think. > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > Nicola > > Calgary, Canada > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2001 Report Share Posted June 4, 2001 Thanks for the information. Yes, the coughing is definitely at its worst at night. If the disease peaks at 4 to 5 weeks, that would explain the 90-minute attack he had last night. We'll continue with the fluids, Vitamin C and cod liver oil, and watch for the " turning blue " . If at some point we have to take him to hospital, we'll have him tested them. I was so sorry to read about your son at the end of your post. After our son suffered his adverse reactions, it was stories like yours that led us to discover the " other side " of the vaccine issue. Thank you for sharing it. Nicola Calgary, Canada > My son had all the symptoms of whooping cough after his first vax and it > sounds like what you are describing. It's less of a whoop and definitely > sucking in are at the end of the coughing spasms. Although he seemed to have > them more at night (so at first we thought it was the croup) and more as > time went on, it was still at least 8 to 10 weeks before it was all over > with. He was hospitalized during the peak at 4 or 5 weeks to monitor his > oxygen intake to make sure he was able to replenish enough after each > episode. He even turned blue around the mouth and the tips of his fingers. > However, it was called 'para-pertussis' because it mocked the symptoms of > whooping cough, but he didn't have the bordatella (?) bacteria in his blood > stream. I have always thought it was a vax reaction, BUT since they had a > name for it, I felt like it must or possibly could happen in other > instances. > > My point in all of this is that, I wouldn't be too anxious to isolate him. > It might not be a contagious thing. Personally, since you get vit C from > sunshine too, I think good hearty playing outside is always the best > medicine for a kid who feels like doing so. Lots of water, to keep the > phlegm loosened and definitely lots of vit C. I have heard that before. > Apparently, it's in the really high 1000's each day and several times a day > and lots of water. I started trying that and seemed to avoid most illnesses > I didn't in the past. > > Jo Womack > mom advocate of > Aubreanna 11 yo ADHD > Devan (forever five yo now in Heaven) vaccine injury/MR/status seizures > > > > > > NetZero Platinum > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > http://www.netzero.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2001 Report Share Posted June 20, 2001 Again - from Will MD homeopath ashryn wrote, >well, one of my worst nightmares may have come true.. my unvaccinated 3year >old has a very nasty cough that i have been told sounds like the beginnings >of whooping cough. It is never easy when our own young-ones take sick. I find it easy to offer knowledgable reassurance to my patients, but struggle so often in these same situations with my own pain at seeing my own boys not feeling well. Find someone for hugs (someone must know a nifty little e-mail symbol for hugs?) > i guess what i am looking for is reassurance that i am doing the right >thing, it is so hard to hold on to my faith in homoeopathy (actually in my >own abilities) when i am so close to it.. there isnt anything allopathy can >do anyway, is there? Conventional medicine can only intervene with supportive care (observation, humidity, hydration, oxygen). Antibiotics do *not* affect the course of the illness (except, perhaps, in the very early catarrhal phase, before there is any clue that this might be whooping cough); they may be given to the patient to reduce the possibility of contagion to others. But consider that the most common side-effect of erythromycin (the antibiotic most often used for this) is nausea ... Perhaps one of the reasons allopathy worries so much about pertussis is, that they " gots nothin' to do " for it. & allopaths basically *hate* it when that happens. >the cough is worse at night, and she has to sit up to cough, and ends up >with tears streaming down her face after each bout.(not crying from grief, >but from the sheer exertion.) she seems to be being very brave, and when she >isnt coughing seems perfectly fine My experience with pertussis is, that it is much much more difficult for the parents than it is for the child. It is very hard to watch these paroxysmal coughing episodes. I mean sure, they're rough for the kid to go thru, but as parents we feel so incredibly helpless. The kids seem mostly to recover just fine. >her picture is that of a perfect pulsatilla, although the remedy does not >act. so i gave her one dose of silica (the first chronic of puls) Recall what Edouard wrote recently about the pace of remedies (he used Bell & Calc-c as examples). It would be very unusual to see Silica called for in an acute pertussis case in the paroxysmal cough phase - the pace of this remedy just does not match the pace of the acute paroxysmal illness. Many of the common symptoms of pertussis seem to fit Pulsatilla - worse in the first part of the night, <lying down, > (or at least prefers) sitting up, etc. You usually need to look further at more differentiating symptoms to find the simillimum. As an aside, not really applicable to this case, if a " chronic of Puls " does need to be given, it should still be a remedy that fits the whole picture. Only Silica if it fits. See Boenninghausen's concordances (in the back of his repertory) for other possibilities. >and it >seemed to ease the cough for one night, but the next day she was back to the >same deep wrenching cough that makes her feel like vomiting. it does seem >that she has more mucus when she coughs now and it is slightly less >spasmodic.. is this an improvement? I suspect it is an indication that the remedy was not correct. >her cough seems to fit drosera, but not the mentals..if i gave this, would >it be supressive? I have rarely seen the persecution, etc. of Drosera during a Drosera whooping cough acute. Go to the most characteristic symptoms of the case - which will likely be in the modalities ( & times), the physical generals, concomitants to the cough, and any strongly characterizing physical particulars. >it has been going on for about 2 weeks now and i am starting to get very >worried. Going on for 2 weeks as it has, it is likely that you've pretty much already seen what is in store for you. Emphasize rest ( & restful activity) for all of the family during the day, so you can all pace yourself through this. Plan on little treats for yourself during the predictable night wakings, & breaks for self-refreshment during the day, & work out some alternation of responsibilities so you don't all get exhausted simultaneously. I hope for the best for your family - >i guess i am having some trouble just sitting back and waiting.. >in my experience, homoeopathy works faster than this.. It usually does. I would expect at the least to see the cough settle down into a semi-disturbing, no-gagging night-time cough without nausea or wretching. 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Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Some of this may be over your head, but you will get the essence of it. You need to find the exact remedy that fits your children - not just one of a few listed in a book. Sheri ashryn wrote, >well, one of my worst nightmares may have come true.. my unvaccinated 3year >old has a very nasty cough that i have been told sounds like the beginnings >of whooping cough. It is never easy when our own young-ones take sick. I find it easy to offer knowledgable reassurance to my patients, but struggle so often in these same situations with my own pain at seeing my own boys not feeling well. Find someone for hugs (someone must know a nifty little e-mail symbol for hugs?) > i guess what i am looking for is reassurance that i am doing the right >thing, it is so hard to hold on to my faith in homoeopathy (actually in my >own abilities) when i am so close to it.. there isnt anything allopathy can >do anyway, is there? Conventional medicine can only intervene with supportive care (observation, humidity, hydration, oxygen). Antibiotics do *not* affect the course of the illness (except, perhaps, in the very early catarrhal phase, before there is any clue that this might be whooping cough); they may be given to the patient to reduce the possibility of contagion to others. But consider that the most common side-effect of erythromycin (the antibiotic most often used for this) is nausea ... Perhaps one of the reasons allopathy worries so much about pertussis is, that they " gots nothin' to do " for it. & allopaths basically *hate* it when that happens. >the cough is worse at night, and she has to sit up to cough, and ends up >with tears streaming down her face after each bout.(not crying from grief, >but from the sheer exertion.) she seems to be being very brave, and when she >isnt coughing seems perfectly fine My experience with pertussis is, that it is much much more difficult for the parents than it is for the child. It is very hard to watch these paroxysmal coughing episodes. I mean sure, they're rough for the kid to go thru, but as parents we feel so incredibly helpless. The kids seem mostly to recover just fine. >her picture is that of a perfect pulsatilla, although the remedy does not >act. so i gave her one dose of silica (the first chronic of puls) Recall what Edouard wrote recently about the pace of remedies (he used Bell & Calc-c as examples). It would be very unusual to see Silica called for in an acute pertussis case in the paroxysmal cough phase - the pace of this remedy just does not match the pace of the acute paroxysmal illness. Many of the common symptoms of pertussis seem to fit Pulsatilla - worse in the first part of the night, <lying down, > (or at least prefers) sitting up, etc. You usually need to look further at more differentiating symptoms to find the simillimum. As an aside, not really applicable to this case, if a " chronic of Puls " does need to be given, it should still be a remedy that fits the whole picture. Only Silica if it fits. See Boenninghausen's concordances (in the back of his repertory) for other possibilities. >and it >seemed to ease the cough for one night, but the next day she was back to the >same deep wrenching cough that makes her feel like vomiting. it does seem >that she has more mucus when she coughs now and it is slightly less >spasmodic.. is this an improvement? I suspect it is an indication that the remedy was not correct. >her cough seems to fit drosera, but not the mentals..if i gave this, would >it be supressive? I have rarely seen the persecution, etc. of Drosera during a Drosera whooping cough acute. Go to the most characteristic symptoms of the case - which will likely be in the modalities ( & times), the physical generals, concomitants to the cough, and any strongly characterizing physical particulars. >it has been going on for about 2 weeks now and i am starting to get very >worried. Going on for 2 weeks as it has, it is likely that you've pretty much already seen what is in store for you. Emphasize rest ( & restful activity) for all of the family during the day, so you can all pace yourself through this. Plan on little treats for yourself during the predictable night wakings, & breaks for self-refreshment during the day, & work out some alternation of responsibilities so you don't all get exhausted simultaneously. I hope for the best for your family - >i guess i am having some trouble just sitting back and waiting.. >in my experience, homoeopathy works faster than this.. It usually does. I would expect at the least to see the cough settle down into a semi-disturbing, no-gagging night-time cough without nausea or wretching. Will , MD ------------------------------------------------------------- To leave this list, email <homeopathy-request@...> with the body text: leave homeopathy ------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Director email - wwithin@... http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin Well Within and Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours PO Box 1563, Nevada City, CA 95959 USA Phone 530-272-7306 Fax 530-272-7316 Broadcaster/DJ at KVMR FM - Community Radio, 89.5, 99.3, 103.7, Nevada City International Sacred Site Tours, Homeopathic Education, Dangers of Vaccination, Holistic Homestudy Courses for Nurses --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. 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Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Antibiotics in the case of whooping cough doesnt do squat. I know my Dr ofdfered it to my 5 mo old when she had pertussis but said it isnt gonna help her it will help the possible spread. So for the person with the pertussis it doesnt help the duration of it but the Vit C and homeopathic remedies i used were what cut my daughters bout in half. It was the longest 6 weeks of my life. Amy Ohio AMY MOMMY TO 4 KIDDIES Chelsea 9 Carrigian 5 4 Chaela 7 mo <A HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/chevy974/myhomepagebaby.html " >the hasktt bunch</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Nadine Hi. Can you tell me what the symptoms were for your kids. I think we all have had it but I am not sure. Thanks so much. What can the homeopath prescribe as opposed to the antibiotics you received? My husband, my four year old and me were all on antibiotics but nothing really helped. I found that 3000mg of vitamin c worked better for me. Thanks Michel >From: NADINE BRIDGES <gjb12292@...> >Reply-Vaccinations >vaccinations >Subject: whooping cough >Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 07:50:28 -0700 (PDT) > >I have also heard that there has been a resurgence of >whooping cough...my kids are at the tail end of it and >have had it since AUGUST!!! It was awful and >frightening but probably worse for me than it was for >them. Im just grateful they were not babies (my >daughter just turned 5 and my son is almost 9).Though >my daughter seemed to have a worse time of it than my >son. If anyone suspects they or their child may have >it, see a homeopath right away! I couldn't get our >pediatrician to believe they could possibly have >pertussis and once I finally found a md/Homeopath that >agreed with me we couldn't test them b/c they were put >on antibio's. (My ped kept telling me they both had >developed asthma...overnight!!?? BOTH OF THEM!!??)It >was SSOOO FRUSTRATING!! > >__________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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