Re: Saline Rinse -- warm or cold?

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> From: uarisk1@...

>

> . . . . snip . . .

>

> Second I also was wondering about the recommendation that nearly all have

> given to warm/heat saline rinses prior to use. Part of this I am guessing is

> for sterility

Of course just warming it to a comfortable temperature will not achieve

sterility. If you are concerned about sterility of the water, then you

need to get a source of sterile water, or boil the water first.

I assume that my tap water, strongly chlorinated, is safe.

> and part for comfort of the user.

Yes, I think most irrigationist warm it for the comfort, only.

> I think most of us are aware

> that when treating injuries or strains of muscles cold is used because it

> tends to decrease inflammation, heat will actually bring more blood into the

> area and tend to increase inflammation. Don't we as Samterites want a decrease

> in polyp inflammation? Would cool/cold water be better than warm?

1. The water is usually not hot enough to stimulate inflammation.

2. Even if it were, the effect would be quite temporary (I believe).

3. " polyp inflammation " . This is a good point, as I have never considered

that polyps were actually a symptom of inflammation, per se, as opposed to

existing based on their own survival parameters. You are raising the

question of why irrigation actually seems to work to reduce the size of

polyps (which it does, in my experience).

4. My own sense of why irrigation works is that by cleansing the sinus and

passages of mucous, it somehow alleviates the triggers for polyps. Warm

water is probably better to loosen mucous, therefore, I think warm water

will be more effective than cold. I would look forward to my irrigation

sessions with less anticipation if I knew the water would be cold.

Having said all that, I guess I've been too busy enjoying the sense of smell

that has returned with irrigation, to have studied the actual cause of the

beneficial effect. Perhaps someone can point us to such analysis (perhaps

already in our library . . .)

--

Ken West

Check the library . . .

samters/links

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i go back to my original suggestion:

i follow the instructions of healthwise (at <letsgethealthwise.com> to

use very warm water plus the non-drugstore form of iodine included in

their kit that is antibacterial, antiviral, antifungal and eliminates

any need to sterilize water.

willie

>

> > From: uarisk1@...

> >

> > . . . . snip . . .

> >

> > Second I also was wondering about the recommendation that nearly all

have

> > given to warm/heat saline rinses prior to use. Part of this I am

guessing is

> > for sterility

>

> Of course just warming it to a comfortable temperature will not

achieve

> sterility. If you are concerned about sterility of the water, then

you

> need to get a source of sterile water, or boil the water first.

> I assume that my tap water, strongly chlorinated, is safe.

>

> > and part for comfort of the user.

> Yes, I think most irrigationist warm it for the comfort, only.

>

> > I think most of us are aware

> > that when treating injuries or strains of muscles cold is used

because it

> > tends to decrease inflammation, heat will actually bring more blood

into the

> > area and tend to increase inflammation. Don't we as Samterites want

a decrease

> > in polyp inflammation? Would cool/cold water be better than warm?

>

> 1. The water is usually not hot enough to stimulate inflammation.

> 2. Even if it were, the effect would be quite temporary (I believe).

> 3. " polyp inflammation " . This is a good point, as I have never

considered

> that polyps were actually a symptom of inflammation, per se, as

opposed to

> existing based on their own survival parameters. You are raising the

> question of why irrigation actually seems to work to reduce the size

of

> polyps (which it does, in my experience).

> 4. My own sense of why irrigation works is that by cleansing the

sinus and

> passages of mucous, it somehow alleviates the triggers for polyps.

Warm

> water is probably better to loosen mucous, therefore, I think warm

water

> will be more effective than cold. I would look forward to my

irrigation

> sessions with less anticipation if I knew the water would be cold.

>

> Having said all that, I guess I've been too busy enjoying the sense of

smell

> that has returned with irrigation, to have studied the actual cause of

the

> beneficial effect. Perhaps someone can point us to such analysis

(perhaps

> already in our library . . .)

>

> --

> Ken West

> Check the library . . .

> samters/links

>

[Guest guest]

I'm glad you brought that up, Ken. I was wondering how irrigation could possibly do anything for polyps. Then who needs surgery? I mean, if they were just like little blisters in your nose, full of inflammation well then then answer would be simple....but there is more to them.. they must have their own sustenance and blood supply. Nonetheless I have become a more dilligent irrigationist, since I just got the Grossan tip. Whoopeee! I do feel better, not sure what the improvement is over the NeilMed bottle, but I can tell the difference now when I skip an irrigation. Oh, and on the peak flow meter. I did find a chart that was age/height and gender related. I handed it to a 68-year-old male coworker who just one month ago had a heart attack and a stent implanted. He blew away my 350 with a 540. But I think it's all about what your own personal levels that's

important.Ken West <kenwest@...> wrote: > From: uarisk1@...> > . . . . snip . . .> > Second I also was wondering about the recommendation that nearly all have> given to warm/heat saline rinses prior to use. Part of this I am guessing is> for sterilityOf course just warming it to a comfortable temperature will not achievesterility. If you are concerned about sterility of the water, then youneed to get a source of sterile water, or boil the water first.I assume that my tap water, strongly chlorinated, is safe.> and part for comfort of the user.Yes, I think most irrigationist warm it for the comfort, only.> I think most of us are aware> that when treating injuries or strains of muscles cold is used because it>

tends to decrease inflammation, heat will actually bring more blood into the> area and tend to increase inflammation. Don't we as Samterites want a decrease> in polyp inflammation? Would cool/cold water be better than warm?1. The water is usually not hot enough to stimulate inflammation.2. Even if it were, the effect would be quite temporary (I believe).3. "polyp inflammation". This is a good point, as I have never consideredthat polyps were actually a symptom of inflammation, per se, as opposed toexisting based on their own survival parameters. You are raising thequestion of why irrigation actually seems to work to reduce the size ofpolyps (which it does, in my experience).4. My own sense of why irrigation works is that by cleansing the sinus andpassages of mucous, it somehow alleviates the triggers for polyps. Warmwater is probably better to loosen mucous,

therefore, I think warm waterwill be more effective than cold. I would look forward to my irrigationsessions with less anticipation if I knew the water would be cold.Having said all that, I guess I've been too busy enjoying the sense of smellthat has returned with irrigation, to have studied the actual cause of thebeneficial effect. Perhaps someone can point us to such analysis (perhapsalready in our library . . .)-- Ken West Check the library . . . samters/links

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