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ASA got a copyright on the puzzle ribbon design. It would be illegal for others to use it.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of andrea52521991Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 7:28 AMEOHarm Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] An Observation

This morning Don Imus is wearing a blue puzzle piece pin on his jacket. I'm pretty sure that is the Autism Speaks symbol that Bob and Suzzane were wearing last year when they were on his show.Why did they have to create a different symbol and not use the "traditional" colorful puzzle print ribbon? Just really made me think that he will support Autism Speaks version of autism whatever that means ( i.e. causes, direction research should go).Maybe this is irrelavant and I'm naive to think that Imus would ever say anything other than something OK with the s. But, I see the autism colorful ribbon as being the "universal" symbol for autism just like pink ribbons for breast cancer, yellow for supporting the troops etc....Why are they trying to separate themselves from the rest of us?

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I don't understand... does that mean the NAA can't make those cool car magnet

ribbons

with the puzzle pieces anymore?

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> This morning Don Imus is wearing a blue puzzle piece pin on his

> jacket. I'm pretty sure that is the Autism Speaks symbol that Bob

> and Suzzane were wearing last year when they were on his show.

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> the " traditional " colorful puzzle print ribbon?

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> Just really made me think that he will support Autism Speaks version

> of autism whatever that means ( i.e. causes, direction research

> should go).

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> Maybe this is irrelavant and I'm naive to think that Imus would ever

> say anything other than something OK with the s. But, I see

> the autism colorful ribbon as being the " universal " symbol for

> autism just like pink ribbons for breast cancer, yellow for

> supporting the troops etc....

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> This morning Don Imus is wearing a blue puzzle piece pin on his

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I ordered a " No Mystery - It's Mercury! " T-shirts from the NAA this

morning with instructions it be sent to Imus with thanks from the

parents. I hope he wears it on the air.

Charlie

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I kind of remember when that was being discussed. So when NAA sells

items with that design do you guys have explicit permission from ASA

to sell those things?

Many organizations use that design. Legally should they be getting

permission prior to putting their organization name on something say

a t-shirt along with the ASA copyrighted puzzle ribbon design?

I'm curious now.

Thanks,

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> ASA got a copyright on the puzzle ribbon design. It would be

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> andrea52521991

> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 7:28 AM

> EOHarm

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> This morning Don Imus is wearing a blue puzzle piece pin on his

> jacket. I'm pretty sure that is the Autism Speaks symbol that Bob

> and Suzzane were wearing last year when they were on his

show.

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> Why did they have to create a different symbol and not use

> the " traditional " colorful puzzle print ribbon?

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> Just really made me think that he will support Autism Speaks

version

> of autism whatever that means ( i.e. causes, direction research

> should go).

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> Maybe this is irrelavant and I'm naive to think that Imus would

ever

> say anything other than something OK with the s. But, I see

> the autism colorful ribbon as being the " universal " symbol for

> autism just like pink ribbons for breast cancer, yellow for

> supporting the troops etc....

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> Why are they trying to separate themselves from the rest of us?

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Legally, no, not without their permission or donation to them. See, we had

all been using the ribbon, myself back in 1998 and others earlier than that,

but ASA filed for copyright saying they invented it several years later than

we had pictures of us using it. They never told anyone that they applied

for copyright until the deadline for opposition had passed so no one could

do anything about it. But, hey, they are the " people's autism group "

right??? Hahahahaha (wicked laughter)

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> This morning Don Imus is wearing a blue puzzle piece pin on his

> jacket. I'm pretty sure that is the Autism Speaks symbol that Bob

> and Suzzane were wearing last year when they were on his show.

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> Why did they have to create a different symbol and not use

> the " traditional " colorful puzzle print ribbon?

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> Just really made me think that he will support Autism Speaks version

> of autism whatever that means ( i.e. causes, direction research

> should go).

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> Maybe this is irrelavant and I'm naive to think that Imus would ever

> say anything other than something OK with the s. But, I see

> the autism colorful ribbon as being the " universal " symbol for

> autism just like pink ribbons for breast cancer, yellow for

> supporting the troops etc....

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This reminds me of a company I read about that actually patented the idea of

selling

goods and services over the internet... even though they didn't invent any of

the

technology for DOING it.

Today, they're suing small companies...forcing them to settle out of court, for

the privilege

of selling goods online. They're going after low hanging fruit to build a large

number of

cases for legal precedent. I imagine they'll be after ebay, eventually... ugh.

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> > This morning Don Imus is wearing a blue puzzle piece pin on his

> > jacket. I'm pretty sure that is the Autism Speaks symbol that Bob

> > and Suzzane were wearing last year when they were on his show.

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> > should go).

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> > say anything other than something OK with the s. But, I see

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From: "Holly Bortfeld" <maximom@...>Reply- EOHarm <EOHarm >Subject: RE: Re: An ObservationDate: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:53:54 -0500>Legally, no, not without their permission or donation to them. See, we had>all been using the ribbon, myself back in 1998 and others earlier than that,>but ASA filed for copyright saying they invented it several years later than>we had pictures of us using it. They never told anyone that they applied>for copyright until the deadline for opposition had passed so no one could>do anything about it. But, hey, they are the "people's autism group">right??? Hahahahaha (wicked laughter)>> [Norton AntiSpam] An Observation> >> >> > This morning Don Imus is wearing a blue puzzle piece pin on his> > jacket. I'm pretty sure that is the Autism Speaks symbol that Bob> > and Suzzane were wearing last year when they were on his show.> >> > Why did they have to create a different symbol and not use> > the "traditional" colorful puzzle print ribbon?> >> > Just really made me think that he will support Autism Speaks version> > of autism whatever that means ( i.e. causes, direction research> > should go).> >> > Maybe this is irrelavant and I'm naive to think that Imus would ever> > say anything other than something OK with the s. But, I see> > the autism colorful ribbon as being the "universal" symbol for> > autism just like pink ribbons for breast cancer, yellow for> > supporting the troops etc....> >> > Why are they trying to separate themselves from the rest of us?> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

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I think the ASA copyrighted the autism ribbon, that might be why.

Debi

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> This morning Don Imus is wearing a blue puzzle piece pin on his

> jacket. I'm pretty sure that is the Autism Speaks symbol that Bob

> and Suzzane were wearing last year when they were on his show.

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> Why did they have to create a different symbol and not use

> the " traditional " colorful puzzle print ribbon?

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Ours are slightly different with blue on one side of the ribbon.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of NanstielSent: Friday, March 10, 2006 8:47 AMEOHarm Subject: Re: An Observation

I don't understand... does that mean the NAA can't make those cool car magnet ribbons with the puzzle pieces anymore?>> ASA got a copyright on the puzzle ribbon design. It would be illegal for> others to use it.> > > _____ > > From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of> andrea52521991> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 7:28 AM> EOHarm > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] An Observation> > > This morning Don Imus is wearing a blue puzzle piece pin on his > jacket. I'm pretty sure that is the Autism Speaks symbol that Bob > and Suzzane were wearing last year when they were on his show.> > Why did they have to create a different symbol and not use > the "traditional" colorful puzzle print ribbon? > > Just really made me think that he will support Autism Speaks version > of autism whatever that means ( i.e. causes, direction research > should go).> > Maybe this is irrelavant and I'm naive to think that Imus would ever > say anything other than something OK with the s. But, I see > the autism colorful ribbon as being the "universal" symbol for > autism just like pink ribbons for breast cancer, yellow for > supporting the troops etc....> > Why are they trying to separate themselves from the rest of us?> > > > > > > > > > > >

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Hi ,

We don't sell anything with ASA's ribbon on it.

But yes, you would have to get permission to use a copyright protected design or slogan.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of andrea52521991Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 8:54 AMEOHarm Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: An Observation

,I kind of remember when that was being discussed. So when NAA sells items with that design do you guys have explicit permission from ASA to sell those things?Many organizations use that design. Legally should they be getting permission prior to putting their organization name on something say a t-shirt along with the ASA copyrighted puzzle ribbon design?I'm curious now.Thanks,>> ASA got a copyright on the puzzle ribbon design. It would be illegal for> others to use it.> > > _____ > > From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of> andrea52521991> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 7:28 AM> EOHarm > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] An Observation> > > This morning Don Imus is wearing a blue puzzle piece pin on his > jacket. I'm pretty sure that is the Autism Speaks symbol that Bob > and Suzzane were wearing last year when they were on his show.> > Why did they have to create a different symbol and not use > the "traditional" colorful puzzle print ribbon? > > Just really made me think that he will support Autism Speaks version > of autism whatever that means ( i.e. causes, direction research > should go).> > Maybe this is irrelavant and I'm naive to think that Imus would ever > say anything other than something OK with the s. But, I see > the autism colorful ribbon as being the "universal" symbol for > autism just like pink ribbons for breast cancer, yellow for > supporting the troops etc....> > Why are they trying to separate themselves from the rest of us?> > > > > > > > > > > >

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I'm confused. I know at Autism One I bought Key chains among other

items that had that colorful ribbon pattern one it. How about the

metal pins, they have that pattern on them.

Where is the line drawn as to what is copyrighted by the ASA. Is it

the actual ribbon that is copyrighted?

Thanks,

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> Behalf Of

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> > EOHarm

> > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] An Observation

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> > This morning Don Imus is wearing a blue puzzle piece pin on his

> > jacket. I'm pretty sure that is the Autism Speaks symbol that

Bob

> > and Suzzane were wearing last year when they were on his

> show.

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> > Why did they have to create a different symbol and not use

> > the " traditional " colorful puzzle print ribbon?

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> > Just really made me think that he will support Autism Speaks

> version

> > of autism whatever that means ( i.e. causes, direction research

> > should go).

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> > Maybe this is irrelavant and I'm naive to think that Imus would

> ever

> > say anything other than something OK with the s. But, I

see

> > the autism colorful ribbon as being the " universal " symbol for

> > autism just like pink ribbons for breast cancer, yellow for

> > supporting the troops etc....

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> > Why are they trying to separate themselves from the rest of us?

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I don't think NAA or any of the autism groups ever "made" the magnets. The makers of them is a company called Magnet America and their website is: http://www.magnetamerica.com/.

As to the ASA copyrighting the ribbon well, I have been using that ribbon on my return address labels, my letterhead, my group, my website and my personal business cards and I don't plan to stop now. JR (my 8 year old son) was diagnosed in 2000. They didn't copyright the ribbon until 2004 (I think). I was told by Jeff Sell (Director of Chapters & Membership for the ASA) the reason they copywrote it to begin with is that other organizations (a gay rights group) was using it. I never saw it anywhere other than as it related to autism.

They can copyright all they want. I am not changing anything now after almost 6 years. Besides the ASA hasn't done a damn thing to help my son so why should I care what they want?

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on 3/10/06 8:37 AM, Fournier at @... wrote:

ASA got a copyright on the puzzle ribbon design. It would be illegal for others to use it.

i thought you couldn't copyright an idea or concept- just an actual design or artwork. Like if I painted a puzzle-piece ribbon on a canvas -I would own it and could sell my artwork in a gallery.

bob--- where are you? :)

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Deborah, you took me literally. I realize they wouldn't physically make them. I

work with

outside vendors all the time... that's how I get t-shirts, magnets, hats,

embroidered

polos, etc. etc.

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> > > This morning Don Imus is wearing a blue puzzle piece pin on his

> > > jacket. I'm pretty sure that is the Autism Speaks symbol that Bob

> > > and Suzzane were wearing last year when they were on his

> show.

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> > > Why did they have to create a different symbol and not use

> > > the " traditional " colorful puzzle print ribbon?

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> > > Just really made me think that he will support Autism Speaks version

> > > of autism whatever that means ( i.e. causes, direction research

> > > should go).

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> > > Maybe this is irrelavant and I'm naive to think that Imus would ever

> > > say anything other than something OK with the s. But, I see

> > > the autism colorful ribbon as being the " universal " symbol for

> > > autism just like pink ribbons for breast cancer, yellow for

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Yea, they only copyrighted the shape of

the ribbon with the puzzle pattern, that’s why lenny made the puzzle

patterned flag and others changed theirs as to not give ASA either any money,

credit or product recognition to “their” new logo.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of christine@...

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EOHarm

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on 3/10/06 8:37 AM,

Fournier at @... wrote:

ASA got a copyright on the puzzle ribbon

design. It would be illegal for others to use it.

i thought you couldn't copyright an idea or concept- just an actual design or

artwork. Like if I painted a puzzle-piece ribbon on a canvas -I would own

it and could sell my artwork in a gallery.

bob--- where are you? :)

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The copyright is for the ribbon design itself. Additionally I'd

like to say this. I personally thought it was a good idea to get a

copyright so that it was not done by someone outside of the ASD

commmunity. Yep I too made about 5,000 cloth ribbons, continue to

make them...no joke we've made a huge amount. Too when the

copyright was first obtained there was much controversy, however

that seems to be over due to the person having had some discussions

about this being gone.

I agree that all agencies should be able to use this for the same

reason, autism awareness. To I have yet to hear about ASA coming

after someone for using it improperly. Their main concern, from

what I remember was losing the design to another non-ASD group or

having someone make funds off the design where it did not benefit

the ASD community.

Now I could be wrong, but that is what I've been told. Too in all

of this we are members of many organizations that represent the ASD

community. Have been for years. I support ASA national for my own

personal reasons and I honor folks that have opinions otherwise.

But my personal belief too is that I try to work toward change and

to try to bring us together. We've been told so many times by

legislators that the ASD community is to so divided it will be

difficult to get things done. But that too is subjective I guess.

But we continue to support many groups and will do so. We need to I

think.

Best,

Carolyn

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actual design

> or artwork. Like if I painted a puzzle-piece ribbon on a canvas -

I would

> own it and could sell my artwork in a gallery.

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> bob--- where are you? :)

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on 3/10/06 8:34 PM, CG at gammicca@... wrote:

The copyright is for the ribbon design itself. Additionally I'd

like to say this. I personally thought it was a good idea to get a

Carolyn-

my question is- is it for ANY ribbon design with any puzzle pieces-

or a specific design or logo?

for example- if i make a 3D design with a white border and red and blue pieces, etc-

is that owned by ASA? what if there is a black border? what if there are half the puzzle pieces?

again, i'm thinking someone cannot own an idea or concept- just ONE piece of artwork. I may be wrong... someone has got to know....

I'm not saying ASA is wrong or anything- i just want to know.

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No you are right . It's for the ribbon design that is the

enamel ribbon. The one on the website. So if it differs, it's not

the copyrighted one. Your 3-D one would not violate the copyright.

Hope this helps,

CG

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> my question is- is it for ANY ribbon design with any puzzle pieces-

> or a specific design or logo?

> for example- if i make a 3D design with a white border and red and

blue

> pieces, etc-

> is that owned by ASA? what if there is a black border? what if

there are

> half the puzzle pieces?

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> again, i'm thinking someone cannot own an idea or concept- just

ONE piece of

> artwork. I may be wrong... someone has got to know....

> I'm not saying ASA is wrong or anything- i just want to know.

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on 3/11/06 3:48 AM, CG at gammicca@... wrote:

No you are right . It's for the ribbon design that is the

enamel ribbon. The one on the website. So if it differs, it's not

the copyrighted one. Your 3-D one would not violate the copyright.

Hope this helps,

CG

yes- it does- thanks Carolyn

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Hello, everyone. I have been doing very well all winter.............enjoyed having taste and smell, no congestion, no sinus infections, and hardly ever had to blow my nose. We have now turned on the air conditioner, and I've lost my taste and smell, am really congested in the morning, polyps are swollen and aggrevated, and I blow my nose all day long. Anyone else notice a similiar reaction to air conditioning?

Diane in Florida

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More likely something in the air. Any mold allergies you now of?

From: jprdlr <jrawley@...>samters Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 9:13 PMSubject: Re: an observation

Hello, everyone. I have been doing very well all winter.............enjoyed having taste and smell, no congestion, no sinus infections, and hardly ever had to blow my nose. We have now turned on the air conditioner, and I've lost my taste and smell, am really congested in the morning, polyps are swollen and aggrevated, and I blow my nose all day long. Anyone else notice a similiar reaction to air conditioning?

Diane in Florida

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Hi Diane,Air conditioning always gets my sinus etc. going. One night is all it takes.samters From: jrawley@...Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 22:13:43 -0400Subject: an observation

Hello, everyone. I have been doing very well all winter.............enjoyed having taste and smell, no congestion, no sinus infections, and hardly ever had to blow my nose. We have now turned on the air conditioner, and I've lost my taste and smell, am really congested in the morning, polyps are swollen and aggrevated, and I blow my nose all day long. Anyone else notice a similiar reaction to air conditioning?

Diane in Florida

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We have lived without air conditioning and I avoid places with air conditioning

as it exacerbates my symptoms.

I suspected that it was the dust that is stirred up by the moving air and also

circulated from the filter (they are rarely cleaned).

Also, until I used a mattress protector (allergy one) I would wake up at night

with asthma. The culprit was dust mite, so I suspect that dust mites (or bits of

them) are circulated with air-conditioning.

Sudden increases or decreases in temperature can also set off symptoms - moving

into an air-conditioned room could be upsetting you too.

We live in a house without soft furnishings (no drapes, no rugs, leather

furniture) so there is less opportunity for dust to settle and linger. I found

that ceiling fans were enough to get my symptoms flaring - a little bit of dust

in the air was enough.

In Autumn/Fall I would get worse too - this is caused by molds that grow on

dead/dry grass.

After many tests, my immunologist agrees with me that I react to particulates

and that the size and shape of the particles is probably more important than

what they are. I'm not allergic to anything (other than aspirin) but do get an

inflammatory response to lots of things.

None of this makes life easy, does it?

cheers

Beverley

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> Hello, everyone. I have been doing very well all winter.............enjoyed

having taste and smell, no congestion, no sinus infections, and hardly ever had

to blow my nose. We have now turned on the air conditioner, and I've lost my

taste and smell, am really congested in the morning, polyps are swollen and

aggrevated, and I blow my nose all day long. Anyone else notice a similiar

reaction to air conditioning?

> Diane in Florida

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Good Morning,

I also have been doing well this winter no sinus infection, little asthma flair ups,. Since I have turned on the A/C congested in the morning, polyps are up, head and face hurts. I'm Allergic to Mold, Dog, Ragweed, Asperin, PNC, NSAID.

Barbara, Florida

From: jprdlr <jrawley@...>samters Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 10:13:43 PMSubject: an observation

Hello, everyone. I have been doing very well all winter.............enjoyed having taste and smell, no congestion, no sinus infections, and hardly ever had to blow my nose. We have now turned on the air conditioner, and I've lost my taste and smell, am really congested in the morning, polyps are swollen and aggrevated, and I blow my nose all day long. Anyone else notice a similiar reaction to air conditioning?

Diane in Florida

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