Re: Return of the polyps . . .

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> From: Solas <solas16@...>

> Subject: Re: FW: Return of the polyps . . .

> Hi Ken,

> Yes, he told me they could come back, but he didn't

> say anything about this fast. He doesn't think I have

> Samter's Triad and he has not recommended full

> irrigation, just saline sprays. I have your great

> irrigation info... and not sure if I should get the

> large bottle or the full, waterpik version.

>

Solas, the saline sprays are not much better than useless for Samterites

with polyps. Your confidence in that doctor should be reduced with

misinformation like that.

The bottles are OK, but

if you want the benefits of the capacity of the Waterpik, and the pulsing

action, then investing the $50-$70 for proper irrigation will be an expense

that you will not regret.

Ken West

[Guest guest]

I wanted to share my experience with irrigation.A year ago or so I was given a SinuNeb with medication. This is a compressor with an attachment that pulverized their medication into the sinuses. It didn't seem to have any noticeable impact, and I didn't refill. Later, I started using it for irrigation (water and table salt; now I know from this site not to use table salt). The attachment broke, and I was looking to buy another gizmo for irrigation. I found a couple; one is HydroPulse (www.pharmacy-solutions.com/hp.htm) and another - the Grossan Hydro Pulse Nasal and Sinus Irrigation System. Anybody any experience with any of these?Thanks,--TiborKen West <kenwest@...> wrote: > From: Solas <solas16@...> > Subject: Re: FW: Return of the polyps . . . > Hi Ken,

> Yes, he told me they could come back, but he didn't > say anything about this fast. He doesn't think I have > Samter's Triad and he has not recommended full > irrigation, just saline sprays. I have your great > irrigation info... and not sure if I should get the > large bottle or the full, waterpik version. > Solas, the saline sprays are not much better than useless for Samterites with polyps. Your confidence in that doctor should be reduced with misinformation like that. The bottles are OK, but if you want the benefits of the capacity of the Waterpik, and the pulsing action, then investing the $50-$70 for proper irrigation will be an expense that you will not regret. Ken West

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Tibor, thanks for your submission.

Have you looked in the library, like your welcome message suggested?

What you are talking about has been covered there.

samters/links/I__Irrigation_001139158522/

Check it out.

If you review recent posts, you'll find lots of people here are doing irrigation with these tools.

--

Ken West

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From: tibor vais <tiborv@...>

Reply-samters

Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:57:22 -0700 (PDT)

samters

Subject: Re: Return of the polyps . . .

I wanted to share my experience with irrigation.

A year ago or so I was given a SinuNeb with medication. This is a compressor with an attachment that pulverized their medication into the sinuses. It didn't seem to have any noticeable impact, and I didn't refill. Later, I started using it for irrigation (water and table salt; now I know from this site not to use table salt). The attachment broke, and I was looking to buy another gizmo for irrigation. I found a couple; one is HydroPulse (www.pharmacy-solutions.com/hp.htm) and another - the Grossan Hydro Pulse Nasal and Sinus Irrigation System. Anybody any experience with any of these?

Thanks,

--Tibor

Ken West <kenwest@...> wrote:

> From: Solas <solas16@...>

> Subject: Re: FW: Return of the polyps . . .

> Hi Ken,

> Yes, he told me they could come back, but he didn't

> say anything about this fast. He doesn't think I have

> Samter's Triad and he has not recommended full

> irrigation, just saline sprays. I have your great

> irrigation info... and not sure if I should get the

> large bottle or the full, waterpik version.

>

Solas, the saline sprays are not much better than useless for Samterites

with polyps. Your confidence in that doctor should be reduced with

misinformation like that.

The bottles are OK, but

if you want the benefits of the capacity of the Waterpik, and the pulsing

action, then investing the $50-$70 for proper irrigation will be an expense

that you will not regret.

Ken West

Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman1/*http://us.rd./evt=39663/*http://voice.> to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Ken.I did look there but didn't see recommendations. I seem to remember reading somewhere on the Internet that if one already had a WaterPik, to stay with it, but that the other appliances, though a bit more expensive, were in some ways (that I forget now) better.Thaks again,--TiborKen West <kenwest@...> wrote:Re: Return of the polyps . . . Tibor, thanks for your submission. Have you looked in the library, like your welcome message suggested? What you are talking about has been covered there. samters/links/I__Irrigation_001139158522/ Check it out. If you review recent posts, you'll find lots of people here are doing irrigation with these tools.

-- Ken West Check the library . . . samters/links From: tibor vais <tiborv@...> Reply-samters Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:57:22 -0700 (PDT) samters Subject: Re: Return of the polyps . . . I wanted to share my experience with irrigation. A year ago or so I was given a SinuNeb with medication. This is a compressor with an attachment that pulverized their medication into the sinuses. It didn't seem to have any noticeable impact, and I didn't refill. Later, I started using it for irrigation (water and table salt; now I know from this site not to use table salt). The attachment broke, and I was looking to buy another gizmo for irrigation. I found a couple;

one is HydroPulse (www.pharmacy-solutions.com/hp.htm) and another - the Grossan Hydro Pulse Nasal and Sinus Irrigation System. Anybody any experience with any of these? Thanks, --Tibor Ken West <kenwest@...> wrote: > From: Solas <solas16@...> > Subject: Re: FW: Return of the polyps . . . > Hi Ken, > Yes, he told me they could come back, but he didn't > say anything about this fast. He doesn't think I have > Samter's Triad and he has not recommended full > irrigation, just saline sprays. I have your great > irrigation info... and not sure if I should get the > large bottle or the full, waterpik version. > Solas, the saline sprays are not much better than useless for Samterites with polyps. Your confidence in that doctor should be reduced with misinformation like that. The bottles are OK, but if you want the benefits of the capacity of the Waterpik, and the pulsing action, then investing the $50-$70 for proper irrigation will be an expense that you will not regret. Ken West Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman1/*http://us.rd./evt=39663/*http://voice.> to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2�/min or less.

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Tibor: I agree about the usefulness or non usefulness of the sinus nebulizer. It is okay for nebulizing antibiotics or making the nose humidified but it is not an irrigator. I have used both the waterpik with adaptor and the Grossan Hydropulse. I think the Grossan Hydropulse is the cadillac of all the devices and is the one I use myself. It is the only one truly designed for nasal irrigation and is the most hygenic and mimic the pulsatile movments of the nasal cilia. The waterpik falls a close second/you have to buy the adaptor for it.You can use a salt water solution in both but just not a sea salt solution in the Grossan as it 'burns' up the machine fairly quickly. I sell the Grossan and the nasal adaptor for the waterpik. I have a lot of literature on the Grossan if you are interested. www. Naturalsinushealth.com Carol

Re: FW: Return of the polyps . . .> Hi Ken,> Yes, he told me they could come back, but he didn't> say anything about this fast. He doesn't think I have> Samter's Triad and he has not recommended full> irrigation, just saline sprays. I have your great> irrigation info... and not sure if I should get the> large bottle or the full, waterpik version.> Solas, the saline sprays are not much better than useless for Samteriteswith polyps. Your confidence in that doctor should be reduced withmisinformation like that.The bottles are OK, butif you want the benefits of the capacity of the Waterpik, and the pulsingaction, then investing the $50-$70 for proper irrigation will be an expensethat you will not regret.Ken West

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Carol --Thanks a bunch.With all the suggestions from the group members not to use table salt, but instead to use either sea or kosher salt, how does it square with the limitation of the Grossan device? Do I have to pick between the best device and the best irrigating solution?Thanks,--TiborCarol <shedokdo@...> wrote: Tibor: I agree about the usefulness or non usefulness of the sinus nebulizer. It is okay for nebulizing antibiotics or making the nose humidified but it is not an irrigator. I have used both the waterpik with adaptor and the Grossan Hydropulse. I think the Grossan Hydropulse is the

cadillac of all the devices and is the one I use myself. It is the only one truly designed for nasal irrigation and is the most hygenic and mimic the pulsatile movments of the nasal cilia. The waterpik falls a close second/you have to buy the adaptor for it.You can use a salt water solution in both but just not a sea salt solution in the Grossan as it 'burns' up the machine fairly quickly. I sell the Grossan and the nasal adaptor for the waterpik. I have a lot of literature on the Grossan if you are interested. www. Naturalsinushealth.com Carol Re: FW: Return of the polyps . . .> Hi Ken,> Yes, he told me they could come back, but he didn't> say anything about this fast. He doesn't think I have> Samter's Triad and he has not recommended full> irrigation, just saline sprays. I have your great> irrigation info... and not sure if I should get the> large bottle or the full, waterpik version.> Solas, the saline sprays are not much better than useless for

Samteriteswith polyps. Your confidence in that doctor should be reduced withmisinformation like that.The bottles are OK, butif you want the benefits of the capacity of the Waterpik, and the pulsingaction, then investing the $50-$70 for proper irrigation will be an expensethat you will not regret.Ken West Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

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Tibor: My personal opinion- if money is no object and you want to buy a Grossan- The Breathe Ease XL solution is the best and the most gentle solution that there is. I use is all the time. Table salt is okay to use in the Grossan. Just no sea Salt ( too corrosive) Carol

Re: FW: Return of the polyps . . .> Hi Ken,> Yes, he told me they could come back, but he didn't> say anything about this fast. He doesn't think I have> Samter's Triad and he has not recommended full> irrigation, just saline sprays. I have your great> irrigation info... and not sure if I should get the> large bottle or the full, waterpik version.> Solas, the saline sprays are not much better than useless for Samteriteswith polyps. Your confidence in that doctor should be reduced withmisinformation like that.The bottles are OK, butif you want the benefits of the capacity of the Waterpik, and the pulsingaction, then investing the $50-$70 for proper irrigation will be an expensethat you will not regret.Ken West

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[Guest guest]

I use non-iodized table salt and I have not

had any problems.  I do rinse the Waterpik with an entire reservoir of fresh

water after irrigating to prevent any salt residue from clogging it up.

K.

Re: Return of

the polyps . . .

Carol --

Thanks a bunch.

With all the suggestions from the group members

not to use table salt, but instead to use either sea or kosher salt, how does

it square with the limitation of the Grossan device? Do I have to pick between

the best device and the best irrigating solution?

Thanks,

--Tibor

Carol <shedokdo@...> wrote:

Tibor: I agree about the usefulness

or non usefulness of the sinus nebulizer. It is okay for nebulizing antibiotics

or making the nose humidified but it is not an irrigator. I have used both the

waterpik with adaptor and the Grossan Hydropulse. I think the Grossan

Hydropulse is the cadillac of all the devices and is the one I use myself. It

is the only one truly designed for nasal irrigation and is the most hygenic and

mimic the pulsatile movments of the nasal cilia. The waterpik falls a close

second/you have to buy the adaptor for it.You can use a salt water solution in

both but just not a sea salt solution in the Grossan as it 'burns' up

the machine fairly quickly. I sell the Grossan and the nasal adaptor for the

waterpik. I have a lot of literature on the Grossan if you are interested. www.

Naturalsinushealth.com

Carol

Re: FW: Return of the

polyps . . .

> Hi Ken,

> Yes, he told me they could come back, but he

didn't

> say anything about this fast. He doesn't

think I have

> Samter's Triad and he has not recommended

full

> irrigation, just saline sprays. I have your

great

> irrigation info... and not sure if I should

get the

> large bottle or the full, waterpik version.

>

Solas, the saline sprays are not much better than

useless for Samterites

with polyps. Your confidence in that

doctor should be reduced with

misinformation like that.

The bottles are OK, but

if you want the benefits of the capacity of the

Waterpik, and the pulsing

action, then investing the $50-$70 for proper

irrigation will be an expense

that you will not regret.

Ken West

Messenger with Voice. Make

PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

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[Guest guest]

Carol,

I just ordered the Grossan...can you give me your

suggestion on solutions/parts so I don't fry up this

expensive piece of equipment?

Solas

--- Keefer <jkeefer@...> wrote:

> I use non-iodized table salt and I have not had any

> problems. I do

> rinse the Waterpik with an entire reservoir of fresh

> water after

> irrigating to prevent any salt residue from clogging

> it up.

>

>

>

> K.

>

>

>

> Re: Return of the polyps . . .

>

>

>

> Carol --

>

> Thanks a bunch.

> With all the suggestions from the group members not

> to use table salt,

> but instead to use either sea or kosher salt, how

> does it square with

> the limitation of the Grossan device? Do I have to

> pick between the best

> device and the best irrigating solution?

>

> Thanks,

>

> --Tibor

>

> Carol <shedokdo@...> wrote:

>

> Tibor: I agree about the usefulness or non

> usefulness of the sinus

> nebulizer. It is okay for nebulizing antibiotics or

> making the nose

> humidified but it is not an irrigator. I have used

> both the waterpik

> with adaptor and the Grossan Hydropulse. I think the

> Grossan Hydropulse

> is the cadillac of all the devices and is the one I

> use myself. It is

> the only one truly designed for nasal irrigation and

> is the most hygenic

> and mimic the pulsatile movments of the nasal cilia.

> The waterpik falls

> a close second/you have to buy the adaptor for

> it.You can use a salt

> water solution in both but just not a sea salt

> solution in the Grossan

> as it 'burns' up the machine fairly quickly. I sell

> the Grossan and the

> nasal adaptor for the waterpik. I have a lot of

> literature on the

> Grossan if you are interested. www.

> Naturalsinushealth.com

> Carol

>

> Re: FW: Return of the polyps .

> . .

> > Hi Ken,

> > Yes, he told me they could come back, but he

> didn't

> > say anything about this fast. He doesn't think I

> have

> > Samter's Triad and he has not recommended full

> > irrigation, just saline sprays. I have your great

> > irrigation info... and not sure if I should get

> the

> > large bottle or the full, waterpik version.

> >

>

> Solas, the saline sprays are not much better than

> useless for Samterites

> with polyps. Your confidence in that doctor should

> be reduced with

> misinformation like that.

>

> The bottles are OK, but

>

> if you want the benefits of the capacity of the

> Waterpik, and the

> pulsing

> action, then investing the $50-$70 for proper

> irrigation will be an

> expense

> that you will not regret.

>

> Ken West

>

>

>

>

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Solas: If you can afford to order the pre made Breathe Ease solution- I

think this is the best. If not you can make homade ringers solution. There

are a lot of formulas on the internet. If you can't find one, the saline

solution buffered with bicarb is fine- just rinse with relatively hot water

afterward and clean the machine frequently. Don't use sea salt in it.It

should last for 4-5 years if you treat it right and it will come with two

sinus rinse adaptors and two throat rinsing adaptors. You will love it.

Carol

Re: FW: Return of the polyps .

>> . .

>> > Hi Ken,

>> > Yes, he told me they could come back, but he

>> didn't

>> > say anything about this fast. He doesn't think I

>> have

>> > Samter's Triad and he has not recommended full

>> > irrigation, just saline sprays. I have your great

>> > irrigation info... and not sure if I should get

>> the

>> > large bottle or the full, waterpik version.

>> >

>>

>> Solas, the saline sprays are not much better than

>> useless for Samterites

>> with polyps. Your confidence in that doctor should

>> be reduced with

>> misinformation like that.

>>

>> The bottles are OK, but

>>

>> if you want the benefits of the capacity of the

>> Waterpik, and the

>> pulsing

>> action, then investing the $50-$70 for proper

>> irrigation will be an

>> expense

>> that you will not regret.

>>

>> Ken West

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> _____

>>

>>

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>> /evt=39663/*http:/voice.> PC-to-Phone

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>> countries) for 2¢/min or less.

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[Guest guest]

> From: " Carol " <shedokdo@...>

>

> Solas: If you can afford to order the pre made Breathe Ease solution- I

> think this is the best. If not you can make homade ringers solution. There

> are a lot of formulas on the internet. If you can't find one,

uhhh, members have to go no further than our own library.

(Not sure why members don't look there first.)

It's impossible not to find one.

--

Ken West

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