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Did the lady say what exactly was the homework problem? I learned a long

time ago that " homework " was best done at school. For my daughter, home is

home and school is school, and never the twain shall meet. Also, how old is

this child? Whether she's been in contact with her daughter's teachers or

not, I don't think what she did was appropriate.

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>OK here is a question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons

>doctor’s appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a

>talk show host program about a lady in Oklahoma and her daughter. The

>host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and just thought I would

>bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks. Callers called

>in with all kinds of opinions what is yours?

>

>The lady in Oklahoma was having problems with her daughter doing

>homework. It was so bad that she decided to teach her a lesson. IF she

>wasn’t to do her homework or to be educated, she took this upon herself

>to “show” her just what life would be like with no education. The lady

>took her daughter to a street corner and made a sign for her to hold up

>for every passing car that read “Will work for food”. They were there

>for an hour until someone reported her. DO you think the mother should

>be in trouble is this abuse? In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do

>you agree or disagree?

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I have no idea how old or other details. I missed all of that before I

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>Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:18:42 -0600

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>

>OK here is a question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my

sons

>doctor’s appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a

>talk show host program about a lady in Oklahoma and her daughter. The

>host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and just thought I would

>bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks. Callers called

>in with all kinds of opinions what is yours?

>

>The lady in Oklahoma was having problems with her daughter doing

>homework. It was so bad that she decided to teach her a lesson. IF she

>wasn’t to do her homework or to be educated, she took this upon herself

>to “show” her just what life would be like with no education. The lady

>took her daughter to a street corner and made a sign for her to hold up

>for every passing car that read “Will work for food”. They were there

>for an hour until someone reported her. DO you think the mother should

>be in trouble is this abuse? In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do

>you agree or disagree?

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I would say if your child has been taught

right from wrong. Since there are developmental delays, then I would think they

would have to be taught differently than other people. Some people don’t

understand that. Look at the teachers who teaches our

schools. Why do they have so many problems teaching these kids? They don’t

understand these kids. Atleast our school doesn’t.

I know it’s MY job as a parent to

teach right from wrong and teachers teach academics but my point is here if the

child with delays has a bad experience at school (which mine does) then this

makes our job as parents much harder. In our case, my son breaks down, turns

inward…what has he really learnt at all? As for now, I don’t have

the skills to teach him the way he should be taught, which is why I am learning

skills myself to reach him. We do what we have to do.

Basically, if he has done a crime I would

make sure he knew what he was doing, if he thought it was right or wrong

firstly then I would judge if he needed to be reprimanded by law. Hopefully I

have already taught him everything there is to know about right and wrong. They

would never understand or hear the excuse “he is autistic” how many

criminals do you know that have been let off the hook? IM not saying to simply

excuse his crime but if we are talking about it….then I just thought I

would add all of this.

Debs in Bama J

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I don't think it was abusive in any way!

Hopefully it taught the girl a good lesson. It might have

embarrassed the girl doing it, but it will save her alot more embarrassement

later on in life. Sometimes you have to show tough love, as long as the

child isn't being physically or mentally abused. There's one question also

alot of parents have broughten up. Would you turn in your child if you knew he

commited a crime? Alot of parent's would say NO!! I guess it

would depend on the crime. What do you guys think? I

would say, Yes, that I would. But then I've never been in that

situation. It would have to probably be the hardest thing to do.

But then there's that " tough love " question again.

Barry Hitchcock

<bazndeb@...> wrote:

OK here is a

question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s

appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host

program about a lady in Oklahoma and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s

opinion on this matter and just thought I would bring it to the group to see

what everyone here thinks. Callers called in with all kinds of opinions what is

yours?

The lady

in Oklahoma was having problems

with her daughter doing homework. It was so bad that she decided to teach her a

lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be educated, she took this

upon herself to “show” her just what life would be like with no

education. The lady took her daughter to a street corner and made a sign for

her to hold up for every passing car that read “Will work for

food”. They were there for an hour until someone reported her. DO you

think the mother should be in trouble is this abuse? In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do

you agree or disagree?

Curious

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That's a very good point.Maybe one day they will take this into consideration the same as they do people with schizophrenia.I know they get lesser sentences ,because my dad has it ,and one time went he wasn't taking his meds. he got in trouble carrying a loaded gun he had bought from a pawn shop with lots of ammo. Probably something that would put someone else into the state penn. But all he got was 30 days in a mental hospital. (He is fine now ,this was long ago.)But maybe since these kids can't really empathize they should get lesser sentences

but still be punished. I think with the way my son is it would only take one trip of not having everything just so and he'd be done.Just some thoughts.....Barry Hitchcock <bazndeb@...> wrote:

I would say if your child has been taught right from wrong. Since there are developmental delays, then I would think they would have to be taught differently than other people. Some people don’t understand that. Look at the teachers who teaches our schools. Why do they have so many problems teaching these kids? They don’t understand these kids. Atleast our school doesn’t.

I know it’s MY job as a parent to teach right from wrong and teachers teach academics but my point is here if the child with delays has a bad experience at school (which mine does) then this makes our job as parents much harder. In our case, my son breaks down, turns inward…what has he really learnt at all? As for now, I don’t have the skills to teach him the way he should be taught, which is why I am learning skills myself to reach him. We do what we have to do.

Basically, if he has done a crime I would make sure he knew what he was doing, if he thought it was right or wrong firstly then I would judge if he needed to be reprimanded by law. Hopefully I have already taught him everything there is to know about right and wrong. They would never understand or hear the excuse “he is autistic” how many criminals do you know that have been let off the hook? IM not saying to simply excuse his crime but if we are talking about it….then I just thought I would add all of this.

Debs in Bama J

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I agree ,they still should know right from wrong,they may have developmental problems ,but for most the difference between right and wrong isn't one of them,is it?Barry Hitchcock <bazndeb@...> wrote:

Hhhmm…turn in your own child. Well that question would certainly stir a lot of people. I wouldn’t want to see my child get the death penalty but what would I really do???? I would hope, depending on the crime he would do the time. I think this is the only way people learn if they are going to learn??

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I don't think it was abusive in any way! Hopefully it taught the girl a good lesson. It might have embarrassed the girl doing it, but it will save her alot more embarrassement later on in life. Sometimes you have to show tough love, as long as the child isn't being physically or mentally abused. There's one question also alot of parents have broughten up. Would you turn in your child if you knew he commited a crime? Alot of parent's would say NO!! I guess it would depend on the crime. What do you guys think? I would say, Yes, that I would. But then I've never been in that situation. It would have to probably be the hardest thing to do. But then there's that "tough love" question again. Barry Hitchcock

<bazndeb@...> wrote:

OK here is a question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host program about a lady in Oklahoma and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and just thought I would bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks. Callers called in with all kinds of opinions what is yours?

The lady in Oklahoma was having problems with her daughter doing homework. It was so bad that she decided to teach her a lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be educated, she took this upon herself to “show” her just what life would be like with no education. The lady took her daughter to a street corner and made a sign for her to hold up for every passing car that read “Will work for food”. They were there for an hour until someone reported her. DO you think the mother should be in trouble is this abuse? In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do you agree or disagree?

Curious Deb’s

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> I believe that the mother's intentions are good and no, she is not

> trying to abuse her daughter. The problem is that for some

> children,because of the way their brain works, it is impossible for

> the, to do homework. It is not a question of a lack of will but ...

> Yes, the child can learn a lesson, but again perhaps not. It may

> cause the reverse effect, and put more guilt and despair over the

> child if that child is an AS. Lolo

>>

>> Good for her! I wish the gummint would quit trying to micromanage

>> our lives.... :)

>>

>> Abuse? No. Might have hurt her little feelings, but I betcha she

>> gets over it and thanks her mom eventually. :)

>>

But nobody said anything about the girl being autistic. It sounded to

me, from what we were told, that it was a rebellious teenager. That's

something I also have experience with, having been one myself at one

time and also having raised Louie's elder sister.

She had a real problem with homework....not a physical one, just a

procrastination one. :) She refused to do homework until the last

minute. So we had to be something we don't like to be, we had to be

mean. Homework was to be started (with a snack at hand) right after

getting home from school. We refused to let her have dinner if her

homework wasn't done. And this was not a lot of homework, either. I

mean, if she had reading, she could do it after dinner (and no TV or

going out until it was done). But all written work had to be done

before dinner. She got home at 3:30, dinner was at 6, it was sufficient

time. And we really had pitched battles about it, with yelling and

screaming and slammed doors and everything! But the homework got done.

A few years ago, she called to talk one evening. In the course of the

conversation, she said that she didn't know how in the world we stood

her when she was a teen! Said that if she'd been us, she'd have put her

away somewhere!! :) And then thanked us for making sure she grew up

with morals and graduated high school. So even with all the turmoil for

those loooooong teenage years :) it's worth it in the end for everyone.

Annie, who loves ya annie@...

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Well yes but as you and I know there are

those people looking to get out of trouble and if it’s easier to say hey,

IM sick to lessen the load of trouble they do so. I

think this ruins it for people that are indeed legit with such issues. It’s

with everything else, there are people who abuse the system and it makes it

harder for the ones that are truly in need.

I don’t think our system is ready

for any of this but I do know they are over populated in jails etc…where

do they put such individuals and this maybe the reason for less

sentences.

To be honest as I read your post (no pun attended)

I thought wow now that’s scary…. your dad walking around with a loaded

gun with lots of ammo and with a diagnosis of schizophrenia. Saying this it leads me back to the

question, what would I do? Everyone is different, no people are alike, and

diagnosis is a diagnosis if you commit a crime do you do the time? IF you were an average person and hearing

this …it would make you stop and think… such as we are now…

discussing it. I guess that’s why we aren’t in legal law huh? LOL

Maybe that is why there are separate trials, court cases based on individuality

and if you can “prove” yourself or if someone else can “prove”

it for you that you Really didn’t know what you were doing based on your

problems… is half the battle.

Deb’s J

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I don't think it was abusive in any way!

Hopefully it taught the girl a good lesson. It might have

embarrassed the girl doing it, but it will save her alot more embarrassement

later on in life. Sometimes you have to show tough love, as long as the

child isn't being physically or mentally abused. There's one question also

alot of parents have broughten up. Would you turn in your child if you knew he

commited a crime? Alot of parent's would say NO!! I guess it

would depend on the crime. What do you guys think? I

would say, Yes, that I would. But then I've never been in that

situation. It would have to probably be the hardest thing to do.

But then there's that " tough love " question again.

Barry Hitchcock

<bazndeb@...> wrote:

OK here is a

question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s

appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host

program about a lady in Oklahoma

and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and

just thought I would bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks.

Callers called in with all kinds of opinions what is yours?

The lady

in Oklahoma was having problems

with her daughter doing homework. It was so bad that she decided to teach her a

lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be educated, she took this

upon herself to “show” her just what life would be like with no

education. The lady took her daughter to a street corner and made a sign for

her to hold up for every passing car that read “Will work for

food”. They were there for an hour until someone reported her. DO you

think the mother should be in trouble is this abuse? In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do

you agree or disagree?

Curious

Deb’s

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Yea,this was really scary ,not only for the safety of my father but all of those involved because what if he would have hurt someone in one of his dilusions.He is O.K. now and even has the ability to joke and say things like ..wow that guy is crazier than me.Now that they have him on a med that works. I 'm pretty sure the cops went and shut that guy that sold it to him down.But I agree with you ,I don't think I could do that type of work though,I would be too lenient.Barry Hitchcock <bazndeb@...> wrote:

Well yes but as you and I know there are those people looking to get out of trouble and if it’s easier to say hey, IM sick to lessen the load of trouble they do so. I think this ruins it for people that are indeed legit with such issues. It’s with everything else, there are people who abuse the system and it makes it harder for the ones that are truly in need.

I don’t think our system is ready for any of this but I do know they are over populated in jails etc…where do they put such individuals and this maybe the reason for less sentences.

To be honest as I read your post (no pun attended) I thought wow now that’s scary…. your dad walking around with a loaded gun with lots of ammo and with a diagnosis of schizophrenia. Saying this it leads me back to the question, what would I do? Everyone is different, no people are alike, and diagnosis is a diagnosis if you commit a crime do you do the time? IF you were an average person and hearing this …it would make you stop and think… such as we are now… discussing it. I guess that’s why we aren’t in legal law huh? LOL Maybe that is why there are separate trials, court cases based on individuality and if you can “prove” yourself or if someone else can “prove” it for you that you Really didn’t know what you were doing based on your problems… is half the battle.

Deb’s J

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That's a very good point.Maybe one day they will take this into consideration the same as they do people with schizophrenia.I know they get lesser sentences ,because my dad has it ,and one time went he wasn't taking his meds. he got in trouble carrying a loaded gun he had bought from a pawn shop with lots of ammo. Probably something that would put someone else into the state penn. But all he got was 30 days in a mental hospital. (He is fine now ,this was long ago.)But maybe since these kids can't really empathize they should get lesser sentences

but still be punished. I think with the way my son is it would only take one trip of not having everything just so and he'd be done.Just some thoughts.....Barry Hitchcock <bazndeb@...> wrote:

I would say if your child has been taught right from wrong. Since there are developmental delays, then I would think they would have to be taught differently than other people. Some people don’t understand that. Look at the teachers who teaches our schools. Why do they have so many problems teaching these kids? They don’t understand these kids. Atleast our school doesn’t.

I know it’s MY job as a parent to teach right from wrong and teachers teach academics but my point is here if the child with delays has a bad experience at school (which mine does) then this makes our job as parents much harder. In our case, my son breaks down, turns inward…what has he really learnt at all? As for now, I don’t have the skills to teach him the way he should be taught, which is why I am learning skills myself to reach him. We do what we have to do.

Basically, if he has done a crime I would make sure he knew what he was doing, if he thought it was right or wrong firstly then I would judge if he needed to be reprimanded by law. Hopefully I have already taught him everything there is to know about right and wrong. They would never understand or hear the excuse “he is autistic” how many criminals do you know that have been let off the hook? IM not saying to simply excuse his crime but if we are talking about it….then I just thought I would add all of this.

Debs in Bama J

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I agree ,they still should know right from wrong,they may have developmental problems ,but for most the difference between right and wrong isn't one of them,is it?Barry Hitchcock <bazndeb@...> wrote:

Hhhmm…turn in your own child. Well that question would certainly stir a lot of people. I wouldn’t want to see my child get the death penalty but what would I really do???? I would hope, depending on the crime he would do the time. I think this is the only way people learn if they are going to learn??

-----Original Message-----From: Autism and Aspergers Treatment [mailto:Autism and Aspergers Treatment ] On Behalf Of WeberSent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:11 AMAutism and Aspergers Treatment Subject: Re: Question for ALL

I don't think it was abusive in any way! Hopefully it taught the girl a good lesson. It might have embarrassed the girl doing it, but it will save her alot more embarrassement later on in life. Sometimes you have to show tough love, as long as the child isn't being physically or mentally abused. There's one question also alot of parents have broughten up. Would you turn in your child if you knew he commited a crime? Alot of parent's would say NO!! I guess it would depend on the crime. What do you guys think? I would say, Yes, that I would. But then I've never been in that situation. It would have to probably be the hardest thing to do. But then there's that "tough love" question again. Barry Hitchcock

<bazndeb@...> wrote:

OK here is a question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host program about a lady in Oklahoma and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and just thought I would bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks. Callers called in with all kinds of opinions what is yours?

The lady in Oklahoma was having problems with her daughter doing homework. It was so bad that she decided to teach her a lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be educated, she took this upon herself to “show” her just what life would be like with no education. The lady took her daughter to a street corner and made a sign for her to hold up for every passing car that read “Will work for food”. They were there for an hour until someone reported her. DO you think the mother should be in trouble is this abuse? In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do you agree or disagree?

Curious Deb’s

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To be honest, Dawn, this makes no sense to me, either.

Charlotte???

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

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Question for all

I applied for home based services for my sister and got this response, does

anyone know exactly what this means? " you do not need active treatment for your

developmental disability rather your limitations appear to be related to your

medical condistion requiring nursing assistance rather than active treatment " I

am trying to get a clear answer from my case worker and I am having no luck, in

which I was also told that she cannot get into an ICF because of the results of

this letter, does anyone know if this is true of not?

We only applied for Home based support, and basically if we didn't apply for

the home based services she could of been placed in an ICF? They have an opening

at an ICF that she wants to go to, and yet my caseworker is saying she can't be

placed, yet she is an emergency status, and has a Developmental disability and

requires 24 hour nursing, where else is she supposed to go?

Something doesn't sound right, and I am trying to understand this, can anyone

help?

thanks

Dawn

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To be honest, Dawn, this makes no sense to me, either.

Charlotte???

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Question for all

I applied for home based services for my sister and got this response, does

anyone know exactly what this means? " you do not need active treatment for your

developmental disability rather your limitations appear to be related to your

medical condistion requiring nursing assistance rather than active treatment " I

am trying to get a clear answer from my case worker and I am having no luck, in

which I was also told that she cannot get into an ICF because of the results of

this letter, does anyone know if this is true of not?

We only applied for Home based support, and basically if we didn't apply for

the home based services she could of been placed in an ICF? They have an opening

at an ICF that she wants to go to, and yet my caseworker is saying she can't be

placed, yet she is an emergency status, and has a Developmental disability and

requires 24 hour nursing, where else is she supposed to go?

Something doesn't sound right, and I am trying to understand this, can anyone

help?

thanks

Dawn

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Dawn this does not make sense to me either and I am an ISC. What I do know is

that if there is no diagnosis of mental retardation one can still require active

treatment if they have deficits 3 of the 6 following areas:

Self care

mobility

learning

language

self direction

capacity for independent living

 

What is her disability?

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From: sweettart_60638 <sweettart_60638@...>

Subject: Question for all

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Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 8:57 AM

 

I applied for home based services for my sister and got this response, does

anyone know exactly what this means? " you do not need active treatment for your

developmental disability rather your limitations appear to be related to your

medical condistion requiring nursing assistance rather than active treatment " I

am trying to get a clear answer from my case worker and I am having no luck, in

which I was also told that she cannot get into an ICF because of the results of

this letter, does anyone know if this is true of not?

We only applied for Home based support, and basically if we didn't apply for the

home based services she could of been placed in an ICF? They have an opening at

an ICF that she wants to go to, and yet my caseworker is saying she can't be

placed, yet she is an emergency status, and has a Developmental disability and

requires 24 hour nursing, where else is she supposed to go?

Something doesn't sound right, and I am trying to understand this, can anyone

help?

thanks

Dawn

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Dawn this does not make sense to me either and I am an ISC. What I do know is

that if there is no diagnosis of mental retardation one can still require active

treatment if they have deficits 3 of the 6 following areas:

Self care

mobility

learning

language

self direction

capacity for independent living

 

What is her disability?

 Tara Kosieniak

www.sibsnetwork.org

 

 AdultSIBSNet listserv:  AdultSibsNet/

  SIBS Blogger:   http://sibsnetwork.blogspot.com/

  Face book group SIBS Network:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=9209702292

  Face book cause Supporting IL Brothers and Sisters: 

http://apps.facebook.com/causes/118226?m=63ef53bf

 

I isearchigive for SIBS (Supporting Illinois Brothers and Sisters)

Help me raise money for SIBS just by searching the Internet

with  www.isearchigive.com/SIBS and when shopping on line go to

www.igive.com/SIBS

From: sweettart_60638 <sweettart_60638@...>

Subject: Question for all

IPADDUnite

Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 8:57 AM

 

I applied for home based services for my sister and got this response, does

anyone know exactly what this means? " you do not need active treatment for your

developmental disability rather your limitations appear to be related to your

medical condistion requiring nursing assistance rather than active treatment " I

am trying to get a clear answer from my case worker and I am having no luck, in

which I was also told that she cannot get into an ICF because of the results of

this letter, does anyone know if this is true of not?

We only applied for Home based support, and basically if we didn't apply for the

home based services she could of been placed in an ICF? They have an opening at

an ICF that she wants to go to, and yet my caseworker is saying she can't be

placed, yet she is an emergency status, and has a Developmental disability and

requires 24 hour nursing, where else is she supposed to go?

Something doesn't sound right, and I am trying to understand this, can anyone

help?

thanks

Dawn

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I'm confused, too, partly just because this active treatment stuff is so

stupid to me. I'm pretty sure that Director Teninty has said that she wants

to take that language out of a new waiver. We don't want active treatment,

we want a life!

But that doesn't help right this minute.

Were you " invited to apply " for the Home-Based Support Services Program or

did you just send it in? You can really only get in the program now if your

name is drawn from the PUNS and you are invited to apply or your sister is

in a crisis.

Or this could be the way that your local case coordination agency is

interpreting waiver language.

Anyway, if I were in your shoes, I'd call you Network Facilitator, and ask

him or her. Do you know who that is?

Charlotte

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Behalf Of ELLEN BRONFELD

Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:04 AM

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Subject: Re: Question for all

To be honest, Dawn, this makes no sense to me, either.

Charlotte???

Ellen

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Question for all

I applied for home based services for my sister and got this response, does

anyone know exactly what this means? " you do not need active treatment for

your developmental disability rather your limitations appear to be related

to your medical condistion requiring nursing assistance rather than active

treatment " I am trying to get a clear answer from my case worker and I am

having no luck, in which I was also told that she cannot get into an ICF

because of the results of this letter, does anyone know if this is true of

not?

We only applied for Home based support, and basically if we didn't apply for

the home based services she could of been placed in an ICF? They have an

opening at an ICF that she wants to go to, and yet my caseworker is saying

she can't be placed, yet she is an emergency status, and has a Developmental

disability and requires 24 hour nursing, where else is she supposed to go?

Something doesn't sound right, and I am trying to understand this, can

anyone help?

thanks

Dawn

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I'm confused, too, partly just because this active treatment stuff is so

stupid to me. I'm pretty sure that Director Teninty has said that she wants

to take that language out of a new waiver. We don't want active treatment,

we want a life!

But that doesn't help right this minute.

Were you " invited to apply " for the Home-Based Support Services Program or

did you just send it in? You can really only get in the program now if your

name is drawn from the PUNS and you are invited to apply or your sister is

in a crisis.

Or this could be the way that your local case coordination agency is

interpreting waiver language.

Anyway, if I were in your shoes, I'd call you Network Facilitator, and ask

him or her. Do you know who that is?

Charlotte

_____

From: IPADDUnite [mailto:IPADDUnite ] On

Behalf Of ELLEN BRONFELD

Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:04 AM

IPADDUnite

Subject: Re: Question for all

To be honest, Dawn, this makes no sense to me, either.

Charlotte???

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb%40sbcglobal.net> net

Question for all

I applied for home based services for my sister and got this response, does

anyone know exactly what this means? " you do not need active treatment for

your developmental disability rather your limitations appear to be related

to your medical condistion requiring nursing assistance rather than active

treatment " I am trying to get a clear answer from my case worker and I am

having no luck, in which I was also told that she cannot get into an ICF

because of the results of this letter, does anyone know if this is true of

not?

We only applied for Home based support, and basically if we didn't apply for

the home based services she could of been placed in an ICF? They have an

opening at an ICF that she wants to go to, and yet my caseworker is saying

she can't be placed, yet she is an emergency status, and has a Developmental

disability and requires 24 hour nursing, where else is she supposed to go?

Something doesn't sound right, and I am trying to understand this, can

anyone help?

thanks

Dawn

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Could this mean the state feels she requires either in-home nursing care or

residential nursing home services? I remember when we did that DRS application,

it was not to prevent 'institutionalization' but to prevent 'need for nursing

home care'...so could it be that the DHS/Developmental Disabilities Division is

punting over to some other Division within DHS?

Just a thought..

L.

Question for all

I applied for home based services for my sister and got this response, does

anyone know exactly what this means? " you do not need active treatment for your

developmental disability rather your limitations appear to be related to your

medical condistion requiring nursing assistance rather than active treatment " I

am trying to get a clear answer from my case worker and I am having no luck, in

which I was also told that she cannot get into an ICF because of the results of

this letter, does anyone know if this is true of not?

We only applied for Home based support, and basically if we didn't apply for

the home based services she could of been placed in an ICF? They have an opening

at an ICF that she wants to go to, and yet my caseworker is saying she can't be

placed, yet she is an emergency status, and has a Developmental disability and

requires 24 hour nursing, where else is she supposed to go?

Something doesn't sound right, and I am trying to understand this, can anyone

help?

thanks

Dawn

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Could this mean the state feels she requires either in-home nursing care or

residential nursing home services? I remember when we did that DRS application,

it was not to prevent 'institutionalization' but to prevent 'need for nursing

home care'...so could it be that the DHS/Developmental Disabilities Division is

punting over to some other Division within DHS?

Just a thought..

L.

Question for all

I applied for home based services for my sister and got this response, does

anyone know exactly what this means? " you do not need active treatment for your

developmental disability rather your limitations appear to be related to your

medical condistion requiring nursing assistance rather than active treatment " I

am trying to get a clear answer from my case worker and I am having no luck, in

which I was also told that she cannot get into an ICF because of the results of

this letter, does anyone know if this is true of not?

We only applied for Home based support, and basically if we didn't apply for

the home based services she could of been placed in an ICF? They have an opening

at an ICF that she wants to go to, and yet my caseworker is saying she can't be

placed, yet she is an emergency status, and has a Developmental disability and

requires 24 hour nursing, where else is she supposed to go?

Something doesn't sound right, and I am trying to understand this, can anyone

help?

thanks

Dawn

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In response to my first post:

The story goes like this, my father died when we were very little, my mother

passed away 2 years ago, Jodi had no other place to go, so me and my sister Rose

took Jodi in and we are caring for her. Since then we have been trying to get

services for my sister. We are looking for a higher functioning ICF (Alden

Trails) or a CILA for her residence. Jodi requires a nurse for her g-tube

feedings, and for her medicine distribution and suctioning support.

Jodi has Arthrogryposis, Epilepsy, Asthma, Pierre Robin syndrome and cannot

talk/swallow. She wears AFO leg braces to help her walk, and she cannot

completley take care of herself. For the time being we are basically passing

her house to house so we can work/care for her because she cannot be left alone

ever. which is very stressful for on all of us, she needs a stable home and her

own life.

So Jodi qualifies for " emergency status " and at the time their were no openings

for a higher functioning ICF so we in turn applied for Home based support

services and were denied. Now Alden Trails has an opening and my caseworker at

Suburban Access is telling me that Jodi cannot get placed into an ICF now

because she was denied the home based support services. The reason they denied

her is " Does not need active treatment " ? and they gaver her alternative support

services: Dept. of Rehab services and Progress Center for Independent Living. I

don't know what any of this means and don't understand why she doesn't qualify

for an ICF with her medical/physical emergency needs. I don't understand what

all this means and why she cannot get placed in an ICF, doesn't she have a right

to services? Everyone that I talk to are telling me that something is not right

with her case. I am 29 years old, my other sister Rose is 27 basically we are

newbies with working with DHS, etc... Any light you can shed on this would be

very much appreciated.

Thanks Dawn

>

> I applied for home based services for my sister and got this response, does

anyone know exactly what this means? " you do not need active treatment for your

developmental disability rather your limitations appear to be related to your

medical condistion requiring nursing assistance rather than active treatment " I

am trying to get a clear answer from my case worker and I am having no luck, in

which I was also told that she cannot get into an ICF because of the results of

this letter, does anyone know if this is true of not?

>

> We only applied for Home based support, and basically if we didn't apply for

the home based services she could of been placed in an ICF? They have an

opening at an ICF that she wants to go to, and yet my caseworker is saying she

can't be placed, yet she is an emergency status, and has a Developmental

disability and requires 24 hour nursing, where else is she supposed to go?

>

> Something doesn't sound right, and I am trying to understand this, can anyone

help?

>

>

> thanks

> Dawn

>

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In response to my first post:

The story goes like this, my father died when we were very little, my mother

passed away 2 years ago, Jodi had no other place to go, so me and my sister Rose

took Jodi in and we are caring for her. Since then we have been trying to get

services for my sister. We are looking for a higher functioning ICF (Alden

Trails) or a CILA for her residence. Jodi requires a nurse for her g-tube

feedings, and for her medicine distribution and suctioning support.

Jodi has Arthrogryposis, Epilepsy, Asthma, Pierre Robin syndrome and cannot

talk/swallow. She wears AFO leg braces to help her walk, and she cannot

completley take care of herself. For the time being we are basically passing

her house to house so we can work/care for her because she cannot be left alone

ever. which is very stressful for on all of us, she needs a stable home and her

own life.

So Jodi qualifies for " emergency status " and at the time their were no openings

for a higher functioning ICF so we in turn applied for Home based support

services and were denied. Now Alden Trails has an opening and my caseworker at

Suburban Access is telling me that Jodi cannot get placed into an ICF now

because she was denied the home based support services. The reason they denied

her is " Does not need active treatment " ? and they gaver her alternative support

services: Dept. of Rehab services and Progress Center for Independent Living. I

don't know what any of this means and don't understand why she doesn't qualify

for an ICF with her medical/physical emergency needs. I don't understand what

all this means and why she cannot get placed in an ICF, doesn't she have a right

to services? Everyone that I talk to are telling me that something is not right

with her case. I am 29 years old, my other sister Rose is 27 basically we are

newbies with working with DHS, etc... Any light you can shed on this would be

very much appreciated.

Thanks Dawn

>

> I applied for home based services for my sister and got this response, does

anyone know exactly what this means? " you do not need active treatment for your

developmental disability rather your limitations appear to be related to your

medical condistion requiring nursing assistance rather than active treatment " I

am trying to get a clear answer from my case worker and I am having no luck, in

which I was also told that she cannot get into an ICF because of the results of

this letter, does anyone know if this is true of not?

>

> We only applied for Home based support, and basically if we didn't apply for

the home based services she could of been placed in an ICF? They have an

opening at an ICF that she wants to go to, and yet my caseworker is saying she

can't be placed, yet she is an emergency status, and has a Developmental

disability and requires 24 hour nursing, where else is she supposed to go?

>

> Something doesn't sound right, and I am trying to understand this, can anyone

help?

>

>

> thanks

> Dawn

>

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Hav eyou addressed this with your network facilitator? I had been under the

impression our director of dd was aware of your sister. I am more

disappointed than ever that this is still the case. Your sister is indeed

am emergency. Has any answered where she would be if it were not for you

andyour other sister. This should be at Pat Quinns desk. This could be

anyone of us. I am so sorry you are having to deal with this. Cindi

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Hav eyou addressed this with your network facilitator? I had been under the

impression our director of dd was aware of your sister. I am more

disappointed than ever that this is still the case. Your sister is indeed

am emergency. Has any answered where she would be if it were not for you

andyour other sister. This should be at Pat Quinns desk. This could be

anyone of us. I am so sorry you are having to deal with this. Cindi

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This is a wild guess, but now that I recall your sister's story and have re-read

the bureaucratic lingo, I'd say that they might be saying--

  " Her health care needs are too complicated for the program we offer.  You need

to try a basically medical kind of program. "

OR

" We can't fund something so intensive in a home-based setting. "

They are probably viewing your sister as a candidate for a nursing home

arrangement.

I know you are aggravated beyond belief, but it might be worth a try to call Div

of Rehab Services, and tell your story, including what these clueless people

told you.  The reason I suggest it is because I think that DRS will say that

this is wrong, and they may be able to steer you to the right people.

My guess is that you'll be talking to your legislators before this is over. 

Maybe you should start now.  Ask them why someone in your sister's situation

cannot get any kind of help.

-Gail

From: sweettart_60638 <sweettart_60638@...>

Subject: Re: Question for all

IPADDUnite

Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 7:44 PM

 

In response to my first post:

The story goes like this, my father died when we were very little, my mother

passed away 2 years ago, Jodi had no other place to go, so me and my sister Rose

took Jodi in and we are caring for her. Since then we have been trying to get

services for my sister. We are looking for a higher functioning ICF (Alden

Trails) or a CILA for her residence. Jodi requires a nurse for her g-tube

feedings, and for her medicine distribution and suctioning support.

Jodi has Arthrogryposis, Epilepsy, Asthma, Pierre Robin syndrome and cannot

talk/swallow. She wears AFO leg braces to help her walk, and she cannot

completley take care of herself. For the time being we are basically passing

her house to house so we can work/care for her because she cannot be left alone

ever. which is very stressful for on all of us, she needs a stable home and her

own life.

So Jodi qualifies for " emergency status " and at the time their were no openings

for a higher functioning ICF so we in turn applied for Home based support

services and were denied. Now Alden Trails has an opening and my caseworker at

Suburban Access is telling me that Jodi cannot get placed into an ICF now

because she was denied the home based support services. The reason they denied

her is " Does not need active treatment " ? and they gaver her alternative support

services: Dept. of Rehab services and Progress Center for Independent Living. I

don't know what any of this means and don't understand why she doesn't qualify

for an ICF with her medical/physical emergency needs. I don't understand what

all this means and why she cannot get placed in an ICF, doesn't she have a right

to services? Everyone that I talk to are telling me that something is not right

with her case. I am 29 years old, my other sister Rose is 27 basically we are

newbies with working

with DHS, etc... Any light you can shed on this would be very much appreciated.

Thanks Dawn

>

> I applied for home based services for my sister and got this response, does

anyone know exactly what this means? " you do not need active treatment for your

developmental disability rather your limitations appear to be related to your

medical condistion requiring nursing assistance rather than active treatment " I

am trying to get a clear answer from my case worker and I am having no luck, in

which I was also told that she cannot get into an ICF because of the results of

this letter, does anyone know if this is true of not?

>

> We only applied for Home based support, and basically if we didn't apply for

the home based services she could of been placed in an ICF? They have an

opening at an ICF that she wants to go to, and yet my caseworker is saying she

can't be placed, yet she is an emergency status, and has a Developmental

disability and requires 24 hour nursing, where else is she supposed to go?

>

> Something doesn't sound right, and I am trying to understand this, can anyone

help?

>

>

> thanks

> Dawn

>

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This is a wild guess, but now that I recall your sister's story and have re-read

the bureaucratic lingo, I'd say that they might be saying--

  " Her health care needs are too complicated for the program we offer.  You need

to try a basically medical kind of program. "

OR

" We can't fund something so intensive in a home-based setting. "

They are probably viewing your sister as a candidate for a nursing home

arrangement.

I know you are aggravated beyond belief, but it might be worth a try to call Div

of Rehab Services, and tell your story, including what these clueless people

told you.  The reason I suggest it is because I think that DRS will say that

this is wrong, and they may be able to steer you to the right people.

My guess is that you'll be talking to your legislators before this is over. 

Maybe you should start now.  Ask them why someone in your sister's situation

cannot get any kind of help.

-Gail

From: sweettart_60638 <sweettart_60638@...>

Subject: Re: Question for all

IPADDUnite

Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 7:44 PM

 

In response to my first post:

The story goes like this, my father died when we were very little, my mother

passed away 2 years ago, Jodi had no other place to go, so me and my sister Rose

took Jodi in and we are caring for her. Since then we have been trying to get

services for my sister. We are looking for a higher functioning ICF (Alden

Trails) or a CILA for her residence. Jodi requires a nurse for her g-tube

feedings, and for her medicine distribution and suctioning support.

Jodi has Arthrogryposis, Epilepsy, Asthma, Pierre Robin syndrome and cannot

talk/swallow. She wears AFO leg braces to help her walk, and she cannot

completley take care of herself. For the time being we are basically passing

her house to house so we can work/care for her because she cannot be left alone

ever. which is very stressful for on all of us, she needs a stable home and her

own life.

So Jodi qualifies for " emergency status " and at the time their were no openings

for a higher functioning ICF so we in turn applied for Home based support

services and were denied. Now Alden Trails has an opening and my caseworker at

Suburban Access is telling me that Jodi cannot get placed into an ICF now

because she was denied the home based support services. The reason they denied

her is " Does not need active treatment " ? and they gaver her alternative support

services: Dept. of Rehab services and Progress Center for Independent Living. I

don't know what any of this means and don't understand why she doesn't qualify

for an ICF with her medical/physical emergency needs. I don't understand what

all this means and why she cannot get placed in an ICF, doesn't she have a right

to services? Everyone that I talk to are telling me that something is not right

with her case. I am 29 years old, my other sister Rose is 27 basically we are

newbies with working

with DHS, etc... Any light you can shed on this would be very much appreciated.

Thanks Dawn

>

> I applied for home based services for my sister and got this response, does

anyone know exactly what this means? " you do not need active treatment for your

developmental disability rather your limitations appear to be related to your

medical condistion requiring nursing assistance rather than active treatment " I

am trying to get a clear answer from my case worker and I am having no luck, in

which I was also told that she cannot get into an ICF because of the results of

this letter, does anyone know if this is true of not?

>

> We only applied for Home based support, and basically if we didn't apply for

the home based services she could of been placed in an ICF? They have an

opening at an ICF that she wants to go to, and yet my caseworker is saying she

can't be placed, yet she is an emergency status, and has a Developmental

disability and requires 24 hour nursing, where else is she supposed to go?

>

> Something doesn't sound right, and I am trying to understand this, can anyone

help?

>

>

> thanks

> Dawn

>

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Gail, that is the advice I gave the family too in a phone call today.  Go to DRS

for Home Services but also appeal that ineligibilty decision because that will

bite you later if you don't. 

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Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:02:42 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Question for all

 

This is a wild guess, but now that I recall your sister's story and have re-read

the bureaucratic lingo, I'd say that they might be saying--

  " Her health care needs are too complicated for the program we offer.  You need

to try a basically medical kind of program. "

OR

" We can't fund something so intensive in a home-based setting. "

They are probably viewing your sister as a candidate for a nursing home

arrangement.

I know you are aggravated beyond belief, but it might be worth a try to call Div

of Rehab Services, and tell your story, including what these clueless people

told you.  The reason I suggest it is because I think that DRS will say that

this is wrong, and they may be able to steer you to the right people.

My guess is that you'll be talking to your legislators before this is over. 

Maybe you should start now.  Ask them why someone in your sister's situation

cannot get any kind of help.

-Gail

From: sweettart_60638 <sweettart_60638>

Subject: Re: Question for all

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 7:44 PM

 

In response to my first post:

The story goes like this, my father died when we were very little, my mother

passed away 2 years ago, Jodi had no other place to go, so me and my sister Rose

took Jodi in and we are caring for her. Since then we have been trying to get

services for my sister. We are looking for a higher functioning ICF (Alden

Trails) or a CILA for her residence. Jodi requires a nurse for her g-tube

feedings, and for her medicine distribution and suctioning support.

Jodi has Arthrogryposis, Epilepsy, Asthma, Pierre Robin syndrome and cannot

talk/swallow. She wears AFO leg braces to help her walk, and she cannot

completley take care of herself. For the time being we are basically passing her

house to house so we can work/care for her because she cannot be left alone

ever. which is very stressful for on all of us, she needs a stable home and her

own life.

So Jodi qualifies for " emergency status " and at the time their were no openings

for a higher functioning ICF so we in turn applied for Home based support

services and were denied. Now Alden Trails has an opening and my caseworker at

Suburban Access is telling me that Jodi cannot get placed into an ICF now

because she was denied the home based support services. The reason they denied

her is " Does not need active treatment " ? and they gaver her alternative support

services: Dept. of Rehab services and Progress Center for Independent Living. I

don't know what any of this means and don't understand why she doesn't qualify

for an ICF with her medical/physical emergency needs. I don't understand what

all this means and why she cannot get placed in an ICF, doesn't she have a right

to services? Everyone that I talk to are telling me that something is not right

with her case. I am 29 years old, my other sister Rose is 27 basically we are

newbies with working

with DHS, etc... Any light you can shed on this would be very much appreciated.

Thanks Dawn

>

> I applied for home based services for my sister and got this response, does

anyone know exactly what this means? " you do not need active treatment for your

developmental disability rather your limitations appear to be related to your

medical condistion requiring nursing assistance rather than active treatment " I

am trying to get a clear answer from my case worker and I am having no luck, in

which I was also told that she cannot get into an ICF because of the results of

this letter, does anyone know if this is true of not?

>

> We only applied for Home based support, and basically if we didn't apply for

the home based services she could of been placed in an ICF? They have an opening

at an ICF that she wants to go to, and yet my caseworker is saying she can't be

placed, yet she is an emergency status, and has a Developmental disability and

requires 24 hour nursing, where else is she supposed to go?

>

> Something doesn't sound right, and I am trying to understand this, can anyone

help?

>

>

> thanks

> Dawn

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Gail, that is the advice I gave the family too in a phone call today.  Go to DRS

for Home Services but also appeal that ineligibilty decision because that will

bite you later if you don't. 

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From: G Mrozak <mrsovaltine@...>

IPADDUnite

Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:02:42 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Question for all

 

This is a wild guess, but now that I recall your sister's story and have re-read

the bureaucratic lingo, I'd say that they might be saying--

  " Her health care needs are too complicated for the program we offer.  You need

to try a basically medical kind of program. "

OR

" We can't fund something so intensive in a home-based setting. "

They are probably viewing your sister as a candidate for a nursing home

arrangement.

I know you are aggravated beyond belief, but it might be worth a try to call Div

of Rehab Services, and tell your story, including what these clueless people

told you.  The reason I suggest it is because I think that DRS will say that

this is wrong, and they may be able to steer you to the right people.

My guess is that you'll be talking to your legislators before this is over. 

Maybe you should start now.  Ask them why someone in your sister's situation

cannot get any kind of help.

-Gail

From: sweettart_60638 <sweettart_60638>

Subject: Re: Question for all

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 7:44 PM

 

In response to my first post:

The story goes like this, my father died when we were very little, my mother

passed away 2 years ago, Jodi had no other place to go, so me and my sister Rose

took Jodi in and we are caring for her. Since then we have been trying to get

services for my sister. We are looking for a higher functioning ICF (Alden

Trails) or a CILA for her residence. Jodi requires a nurse for her g-tube

feedings, and for her medicine distribution and suctioning support.

Jodi has Arthrogryposis, Epilepsy, Asthma, Pierre Robin syndrome and cannot

talk/swallow. She wears AFO leg braces to help her walk, and she cannot

completley take care of herself. For the time being we are basically passing her

house to house so we can work/care for her because she cannot be left alone

ever. which is very stressful for on all of us, she needs a stable home and her

own life.

So Jodi qualifies for " emergency status " and at the time their were no openings

for a higher functioning ICF so we in turn applied for Home based support

services and were denied. Now Alden Trails has an opening and my caseworker at

Suburban Access is telling me that Jodi cannot get placed into an ICF now

because she was denied the home based support services. The reason they denied

her is " Does not need active treatment " ? and they gaver her alternative support

services: Dept. of Rehab services and Progress Center for Independent Living. I

don't know what any of this means and don't understand why she doesn't qualify

for an ICF with her medical/physical emergency needs. I don't understand what

all this means and why she cannot get placed in an ICF, doesn't she have a right

to services? Everyone that I talk to are telling me that something is not right

with her case. I am 29 years old, my other sister Rose is 27 basically we are

newbies with working

with DHS, etc... Any light you can shed on this would be very much appreciated.

Thanks Dawn

>

> I applied for home based services for my sister and got this response, does

anyone know exactly what this means? " you do not need active treatment for your

developmental disability rather your limitations appear to be related to your

medical condistion requiring nursing assistance rather than active treatment " I

am trying to get a clear answer from my case worker and I am having no luck, in

which I was also told that she cannot get into an ICF because of the results of

this letter, does anyone know if this is true of not?

>

> We only applied for Home based support, and basically if we didn't apply for

the home based services she could of been placed in an ICF? They have an opening

at an ICF that she wants to go to, and yet my caseworker is saying she can't be

placed, yet she is an emergency status, and has a Developmental disability and

requires 24 hour nursing, where else is she supposed to go?

>

> Something doesn't sound right, and I am trying to understand this, can anyone

help?

>

>

> thanks

> Dawn

>

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I suggest you and your sister, take Gail's advice and contact your state

representative, or Judy Biggert right away. Bring video of your sister to

show.

From: IPADDUnite [mailto:IPADDUnite ] On

Behalf Of G Mrozak

Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:03 AM

IPADDUnite

Subject: Re: Re: Question for all

This is a wild guess, but now that I recall your sister's story and have

re-read the bureaucratic lingo, I'd say that they might be saying--

" Her health care needs are too complicated for the program we offer. You

need to try a basically medical kind of program. "

OR

" We can't fund something so intensive in a home-based setting. "

They are probably viewing your sister as a candidate for a nursing home

arrangement.

I know you are aggravated beyond belief, but it might be worth a try to call

Div of Rehab Services, and tell your story, including what these clueless

people told you. The reason I suggest it is because I think that DRS will

say that this is wrong, and they may be able to steer you to the right

people.

My guess is that you'll be talking to your legislators before this is over.

Maybe you should start now. Ask them why someone in your sister's situation

cannot get any kind of help.

-Gail

From: sweettart_60638 <sweettart_60638@...

<mailto:sweettart_60638%40> >

Subject: Re: Question for all

IPADDUnite <mailto:IPADDUnite%40>

Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 7:44 PM

In response to my first post:

The story goes like this, my father died when we were very little, my mother

passed away 2 years ago, Jodi had no other place to go, so me and my sister

Rose took Jodi in and we are caring for her. Since then we have been trying

to get services for my sister. We are looking for a higher functioning ICF

(Alden Trails) or a CILA for her residence. Jodi requires a nurse for her

g-tube feedings, and for her medicine distribution and suctioning support.

Jodi has Arthrogryposis, Epilepsy, Asthma, Pierre Robin syndrome and cannot

talk/swallow. She wears AFO leg braces to help her walk, and she cannot

completley take care of herself. For the time being we are basically passing

her house to house so we can work/care for her because she cannot be left

alone ever. which is very stressful for on all of us, she needs a stable

home and her own life.

So Jodi qualifies for " emergency status " and at the time their were no

openings for a higher functioning ICF so we in turn applied for Home based

support services and were denied. Now Alden Trails has an opening and my

caseworker at Suburban Access is telling me that Jodi cannot get placed into

an ICF now because she was denied the home based support services. The

reason they denied her is " Does not need active treatment " ? and they gaver

her alternative support services: Dept. of Rehab services and Progress

Center for Independent Living. I don't know what any of this means and don't

understand why she doesn't qualify for an ICF with her medical/physical

emergency needs. I don't understand what all this means and why she cannot

get placed in an ICF, doesn't she have a right to services? Everyone that I

talk to are telling me that something is not right with her case. I am 29

years old, my other sister Rose is 27 basically we are newbies with working

with DHS, etc... Any light you can shed on this would be very much

appreciated.

Thanks Dawn

>

> I applied for home based services for my sister and got this response,

does anyone know exactly what this means? " you do not need active treatment

for your developmental disability rather your limitations appear to be

related to your medical condistion requiring nursing assistance rather than

active treatment " I am trying to get a clear answer from my case worker and

I am having no luck, in which I was also told that she cannot get into an

ICF because of the results of this letter, does anyone know if this is true

of not?

>

> We only applied for Home based support, and basically if we didn't apply

for the home based services she could of been placed in an ICF? They have an

opening at an ICF that she wants to go to, and yet my caseworker is saying

she can't be placed, yet she is an emergency status, and has a Developmental

disability and requires 24 hour nursing, where else is she supposed to go?

>

> Something doesn't sound right, and I am trying to understand this, can

anyone help?

>

>

> thanks

> Dawn

>

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