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Dear Advokam,

Is this Kam?

I'm one of those lucky people who is a stay at home Mom, and was prior to surgery. I am two and a half years post -op. Could I work outside the home, yes! Now that my kids are almost in high school I'm thinking about it. I'm very active, go on all their field trips, help out at school, I garden, clean my own home,wash cars, just about anything that needs doing I do it since my husband travels a lot for work. Some things take some accomedations, but I muddle through. I love grabbers, have set my kitchen up so most things are within my grasp since I don't bend. I drive a lot since I have two teenagers, and have no problem doing that, just getting in and out of certain low to the ground cars. I'm lucky, I lead a full life, and maybe next year a job might be my next step, pre surgery this would of never been possible, I was in too much pain, couldn't walk but a few feet, and couldn't stand for more than a couple of minutes. Surgery was a no brainer for me, I just didn't want to go on the way I was, so I took a shot at surgery, and though it took three to get me where I am, I'm thankful since I get around without pain, and can walk and stand. Hope this helps!

Colorado Springs

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As I have been thinking through my options regarding surgery, I am wondering what I would do about work. I have missed much more than I'd like as a result of my pain lately, but cannot imagine being off for an extended amount of time. I think I might go bonkers!So, my question is this...Do you work?If so, full-time or part-time?What is the nature of your work (flexibility or not of schedule, seated or moving around, etc.)?If not, when did you stop working?If you are fortunate enough to not have had to make this choice, how fortunate you are! But maybe your activity level changed???I am just curious how many deal with this stuff and still maintain a 'regular' job or level of activity. Also, I wonder how much this plays/played into your decision to have surgery or not. Anxious to read your replies!Support for scoliosis-surgery veterans with Harrington Rod Malalignment Syndrome. Not medical advice. Group does not control ads or endorse any advertised products.

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I'm sure you will get a lot of varied responses on this but thought I

would throw in my situation in hopes it helps.

I still work full time at a job that keeps me at a desk most of the

day but rarely all day. I'm in sales, so some days I am driving all

over town. Kinda depends on what is going on at the time.

Lately, my pain gets worse in the afternoons. If it gets too bad,

I'll close my door and lay on the floor with my legs propped up on my

chair. (I don't know why I close the door, my office is all windows

on the 1st floor. I'm not really hidding from anyone I guess.)

My activities have changed. Many days I go home after work and lay

down for a while when I used to be out running errands and such. I

got rid of one of my jet skis this weekend which nearly made me cry.

Taking it out on the lake used to be my favorite way to spend a

weekend. Now, I'm in too much pain afterwards to even try.

I'm probably going to try and schedule revision by the end of the

year. As for work, I have already explained to my boss what is going

on and he has been really great. I think it helps when I have to go

to a drs appt or have tests. He knows that I'm not taking a vacation,

but trying to take care of myself.

Hope this helps, if you need anything else, please ask.

Take care -

> As I have been thinking through my options regarding surgery, I am

> wondering what I would do about work. I have missed much more than

> I'd like as a result of my pain lately, but cannot imagine being

off

> for an extended amount of time. I think I might go bonkers!

>

> So, my question is this...

>

> Do you work?

> If so, full-time or part-time?

> What is the nature of your work (flexibility or not of schedule,

> seated or moving around, etc.)?

>

> If not, when did you stop working?

> If you are fortunate enough to not have had to make this choice,

how

> fortunate you are! But maybe your activity level changed???

>

> I am just curious how many deal with this stuff and still maintain

> a 'regular' job or level of activity. Also, I wonder how much this

> plays/played into your decision to have surgery or not. Anxious to

> read your replies!

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Hi Kam,

I worked right up to a week before surgery this February...I work as

an air traffic controller..and at this tower the winter is pretty

slow so I was able to keep up with the work vs pain ratio reasonably

well. I was not/am not permitted to work while on narcotic pain

relief.

As a government employee I was kind of locked into the sick leave,

annual leave system...so going into surgery I wanted to have as many

sick days available as possible to recover. So while I would have

loved to try to find a way to stall having surgery til later...I

knew I would burn through too much sick leave taking days off in

pain to put me in an unpaid status that I couldn't really control.

I don't know if that makes sense...but as long as I was properly

using sick leave, it couldn't be denied...but once you get to a zero

balance management kind of has an upper hand..they could force you

to retirement for instance. I only have a year from this month to

retire (yipppee!!) so I didn't want to be in that position.

Pretty much as my doctor expected, I was able to go back to work 12

weeks after the second stage surgery. He told me that after 8 weeks

it was mostly a question of stamina, and he was right. It took me 12

weeks til I thought I would be able to stand/sit an entire shift. I

took the first two weeks back to ease into it part time, and am now

doing full days. Some days are more tiring than others...but since

my job is not very physically demanding and actually has a good

blend of sitting and standing/moving around it seems fine.

I doubt you will go bonkers if you stay out of work less than three

months. The first month after surgery was pretty much a blur for

me...you will still be medicated, more than likely. Month two I was

still pretty tired but began to find ways to amuse myself. By three

months I felt well enough to start dealing with all the paperwork

and bills created by the surgery that seem to come pouring in! And

By then I was spending at least a part of the day out of the house,

doing the walking, driving the car again. It really does go by quick!

If you are able to work from home or do some work from a laptop you

might find that after 6-8 weeks you can find a way to do some work.

Everyones experiences seem to vary. It will depend on how much pain

medication you are on, how you are healing, your condition before

surgery, and other variables, no doubt.

Hope this helps...it is tough to find optimal timing..but if you can

work through all the variables you will find there is a " right " time

for you and your family. Cam

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I do not agree with her tactics, but everything today is abuse. Examples, when my kids were small and teens they got a smack for being rude to adults. Today it is abuse. I grew up in a strict home, today my mother would be in prison. I do not agree with tactics today, a spank never killed me. This is if the child is normal however.Today kids tell there parents off, use the f word etc. Parents lost control. SandyBarry Hitchcock <bazndeb@...> wrote: OK here is a question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host program about a lady in Oklahoma and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and

just thought I would bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks. Callers called in with all kinds of opinions what is yours? The lady in Oklahoma was having problems with her daughter doing homework. It was so bad that she decided to teach her a lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be educated, she took this upon herself to “show” her just what life would be like with no

education. The lady took her daughter to a street corner and made a sign for her to hold up for every passing car that read “Will work for food”. They were there for an hour until someone reported her. DO you think the mother should be in trouble is this abuse? In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do you agree or disagree? Curious Deb’s --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: 11/16/2005 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/174 - Release Date: 11/17/2005Sandy

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I think what she did was very innovative! I only wish I had thought of something like that before my 16yo son went "off the deep end". MonteBarry Hitchcock <bazndeb@...> wrote: OK here is a question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host program about a lady in Oklahoma and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and just thought I would bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks. Callers called in with all kinds of opinions what is yours? The lady in Oklahoma was having problems with her daughter doing homework. It was so bad that she decided to teach her a lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be educated, she took this upon herself to “show” her just what life would be like with no education. The lady took her daughter to a street corner and made a sign for her to hold up for every passing car that read “Will work for food”. They were there for an hour until someone reported her. DO you think the mother should be in trouble is this abuse? In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do you agree or disagree?

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I read this in yesterday's paper and dh and I actually had a discussion about it. I think it was great. That girl is very fortunate to have the mother that she does. Life is going to be tougher on her if she doesn't shape up than her mother ever was.

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I don't think it was abusive in any way! Hopefully it taught the girl a good lesson. It might have embarrassed the girl doing it, but it will save her alot more embarrassement later on in life. Sometimes you have to show tough love, as long as the child isn't being physically or mentally abused. There's one question also alot of parents have broughten up. Would you turn in your child if you knew he commited a crime? Alot of parent's would say NO!! I guess it would depend on the crime. What do you guys think? I would say, Yes, that I would. But then I've never been in that situation. It would have to probably be the hardest thing to do. But then there's that "tough love" question again. Barry Hitchcock <bazndeb@...> wrote:

OK here is a question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host program about a lady in Oklahoma and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and just thought I would bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks. Callers called in with all kinds of opinions what is yours?

The lady in Oklahoma was having problems with her daughter doing homework. It was so bad that she decided to teach her a lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be educated, she took this upon herself to “show” her just what life would be like with no education. The lady took her daughter to a street corner and made a sign for her to hold up for every passing car that read “Will work for food”. They were there for an hour until someone reported her. DO you think the mother should be in trouble is this abuse? In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do you

agree or disagree?

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The mother sounds very ignorant. First rule out if

there is an LD before punishing a kid for not doing

homework. It would have been better to have the kid

volunteer at a homeless shelter or soup kitchen. She

would have learned a valuable lesson while doing

something positive for the community.

Since he could speak my son had a bad case of the

gimmies at Christmas time with all of the commercials.

I used to have him put one toy he no longer plays

with in the box whenever he said he " needed " something

he saw on TV. At the end we donated the toys to a

shelter where children have few or no toys. Ahren now

thinks twice before saying he " Needs " a new toy.

)O( Marci

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Good for her! I wish the gummint would quit trying to micromanage our

lives....

Abuse? No. Might have hurt her little feelings, but I betcha she gets

over it and thanks her mom eventually.

Annie, who loves ya annie@...

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I believe that the mother's intentions are good and no, she is not

trying to abuse her daughter. The problem is that for some

children,because of the way their brain works, it is impossible for

the, to do homework. It is not a question of a lack of will but ...

Yes, the child can learn a lesson, but again perhaps not. It may cause

the reverse effect, and put more guilt and despair over the child if

that child is an AS.

Lolo

>

> Good for her! I wish the gummint would quit trying to micromanage

our

> lives....

>

> Abuse? No. Might have hurt her little feelings, but I betcha she

gets

> over it and thanks her mom eventually.

>

> Annie, who loves ya

annie@r...

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>

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I think a little “thinking outside

the box” these days is in order and appropriate. Lets

face it, our kids are smart these days. Some need to be shown why we need to do

what we have to do. I admit it’s pretty brave of her to stand on the

corner with your daughter but frankly I think it was pretty good!

I remember seeing someone holding up a

sign when I stopped at a red light. “Will work for food” I made it

a point to show my son and had a discussion about it. The only problem I had

was he wanted to “give” him food as we started to pull away. Anyway…I

told him how important it was to have a good job, education or else he could

end up such as the man on the corner. We talked about the man’s family

etc. I had lots of questions from my son from this.

My son is 8yr old Autistic and very smart!

Hey…a little out of the box thinking never hurt anyone and it was a

visual for him! I hope it done some good.

Deb’s J

Re:

Question for ALL

I think what she did was very innovative! I only wish

I had thought of something like that before my 16yo son went " off the deep

end " .

Monte

Barry Hitchcock

<bazndeb@...> wrote:

OK here is a

question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s

appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host

program about a lady in Oklahoma

and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and

just thought I would bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks.

Callers called in with all kinds of opinions what is yours?

The lady in Oklahoma

was having problems with her daughter doing homework. It was so bad that she

decided to teach her a lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be

educated, she took this upon herself to “show” her just what life

would be like with no education. The lady took her daughter to a street corner

and made a sign for her to hold up for every passing car that read “Will

work for food”. They were there for an hour until someone reported her.

DO you think the mother should be in trouble is this abuse? In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do

you agree or disagree?

Curious Deb’s

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Did you explain there are many reasons in life to end up on a corner? Most people are but two pay checks away from a street corner and has nothing to do with the things mentioned. Some have psyche problems, some are addicts either to drugs or alchol. We tend not to give kids all the variables. I am sure you did, but it is food for thought. SandyBarry Hitchcock <bazndeb@...> wrote: I think a little “thinking outside the box” these days is in order and appropriate. Lets face it, our kids are smart these days. Some need to be shown why we need to do what we have to do. I admit it’s pretty brave of her to stand on the corner with your daughter but frankly I think it was pretty good! I remember seeing someone holding up a sign when I stopped at a red light. “Will work for

food” I made it a point to show my son and had a discussion about it. The only problem I had was he wanted to “give” him food as we started to pull away. Anyway…I told him how important it was to have a good job, education or else he could end up such as the man on the corner. We talked about the man’s family etc. I had lots of questions from my son from this. My son is 8yr old Autistic and very smart! Hey…a little out of the box thinking never hurt anyone and it was a visual for him! I hope it done some good. Deb’s J -----Original Message-----From: Autism and Aspergers Treatment [mailto:Autism and Aspergers Treatment ] On Behalf Of Monte CrowSent: Friday, November 18, 2005 7:42 AMTo:

Autism and Aspergers Treatment Subject: Re: Question for ALL I think what she did was very innovative! I only wish I had thought of something like that before my 16yo son went "off the deep end". MonteBarry Hitchcock <bazndeb@...> wrote: OK here is a question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host program about a lady in Oklahoma and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and just thought I would bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks. Callers called in with all kinds of opinions what is yours? The lady in Oklahoma was having problems with her daughter doing homework. It was so bad that she decided to teach her a lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be educated, she took this upon herself to “show” her just what life would be like with no education. The lady

took her daughter to a street corner and made a sign for her to hold up for every passing car that read “Will work for food”. They were there for an hour until someone reported her. DO you think the mother should be in trouble is this abuse? In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do you agree or disagree? Curious Deb’s --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: 11/16/2005 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/174 - Release Date: 11/17/2005 FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/174 - Release Date: 11/17/2005 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/175 - Release Date: 11/18/2005Sandy

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Wow, what a brilliant idea! I think it is great, don't see anything abusive about it at all. Have you ever heard about the kids who continually get in trouble with the law and they have this program where they take them to a prison and let the inmates there scare them real good? Forgot what they called it, but it kind of took the glamour out of being a criminal. Maybe it was called Scared Straight.

Maybe leave the kid there alone to do the begging. Park nearby with a cell phone and pad and pencil to write down a license number in case she is abducted. I wish I had thought of that one. But all 4 of mine did manage to graduate high school, thank the Lord, even the autistic one in his own way, made it till he was 18.

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OK here is a question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host program about a lady in Oklahoma and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and just thought I would bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks. Callers called in with all kinds of opinions what is yours?

The lady in Oklahoma was having problems with her daughter doing homework. It was so bad that she decided to teach her a lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be educated, she took this upon herself to “show” her just what life would be like with no education. The lady took her daughter to a street corner and made a sign for her to hold up for every passing car that read “Will work for food”. They were there for an hour until someone reported her. DO you think the mother should be in trouble is this abuse? In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do you agree or disagree?

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I agree with the concept.... But I think actually having your child stand on a highway with a sign is pushing it a bit far... It may do just as well to show them the homeless. Although there are many people who are educated and homeless..... My husbands boss has a 9th grade education but is a self made millionaire...... so it just goes to show...... in Lancaster, CaBarry Hitchcock <bazndeb@...> wrote: OK here is a question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host program about a lady in Oklahoma and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and just thought I would bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks. Callers called in with all kinds of

opinions what is yours? The lady in Oklahoma was having problems with her daughter doing homework. It was so bad that she decided to teach her a lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be educated, she took this upon herself to “show” her just what life would be like with no education. The lady took her daughter to a street corner and made a sign for her to hold up for every passing car

that read “Will work for food”. They were there for an hour until someone reported her. DO you think the mother should be in trouble is this abuse? In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do you agree or disagree? Curious Deb’s --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: 11/16/2005 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/174 - Release Date: 11/17/2005

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AMEN SISTER!!!!! lol in Lancaster, Casandy martin <butwhipe18951@...> wrote: I do not agree with her tactics, but everything today is abuse. Examples, when my kids were small and teens they got a smack for being rude to adults. Today it is abuse. I grew up in a strict home, today my mother would be in prison. I do not agree with tactics today, a spank never killed me. This is if the child is normal however.Today kids tell there parents off, use the f word etc. Parents lost control. SandyBarry Hitchcock <bazndeb@...> wrote: OK here is a question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host program about a lady in Oklahoma and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and just thought I would bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks. Callers called in with all kinds of opinions what is yours? The lady in Oklahoma was having problems with her daughter doing

homework. It was so bad that she decided to teach her a lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be educated, she took this upon herself to “show” her just what life would be like with no education. The lady took her daughter to a street corner and made a sign for her to hold up for every passing car that read “Will work for food”. They were there for an hour until someone reported her. DO you think the mother should be in trouble is this abuse? In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do you agree or disagree? Curious Deb’s --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date:

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The phrase "scarred for life" comes to mind.

It's something that I would have to block to survive.

Thanks for asking, it made me think.

dlp

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OK here is a question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host program about a lady in Oklahoma and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and just thought I would bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks. Callers called in with all kinds of opinions what is yours?

The lady in Oklahoma was having problems with her daughter doing homework. It was so bad that she decided to teach her a lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be educated, she took this upon herself to “show” her just what life would be like with no education. The lady took her daughter to a street corner and made a sign for her to hold up for every passing car that read “Will work for food”. They were there for an hour until someone reported her. DO you think the mother should be in trouble is this abuse? In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do you agree or disagree?

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Here is an even tougher question.... Would you turn in your child if you knew it was related to their disability and their crime was provoked?????? hmmmmm...... That is tough........ Hopefully We all never have to experience this....... in Lancaster, Ca Weber <shell.belle@...> wrote: I don't think it was abusive in any way! Hopefully it taught the girl a good lesson. It might have embarrassed the girl doing it, but it will save her alot more embarrassement later on in life. Sometimes you have to show tough love, as long as the child isn't being physically or mentally abused. There's one question also alot of parents have broughten up. Would you turn in your child if you knew he commited a crime? Alot of parent's would say NO!! I

guess it would depend on the crime. What do you guys think? I would say, Yes, that I would. But then I've never been in that situation. It would have to probably be the hardest thing to do. But then there's that "tough love" question again. Barry Hitchcock <bazndeb@...> wrote: OK here is a question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host program about a lady in Oklahoma and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and just thought I would bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks. Callers called in with all kinds of opinions what is yours? The lady in Oklahoma was having problems with her daughter doing homework. It was so bad that she decided to teach her a lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be educated, she took this upon herself to “show” her just what life would be like with no education. The lady took her daughter to a street corner and made a sign for her to hold up for every passing car that read “Will work for food”. They were there for an hour until someone

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Maybe she already did that............ Maybe she already knows there is no LD..... Maybe the girl is lazy....... I know I was lazy in High School....... Then my parents said I had to get a part time job and start helping with the bills and buying my own clothes....... what an eye opener that was...LOL in Lancaster, CaMarci Troutman <jewiccan@...> wrote: The mother sounds very ignorant. First rule out ifthere is an LD before punishing a kid for not doinghomework. It would have been better to have the kidvolunteer at a homeless shelter or soup kitchen. Shewould have learned a valuable lesson while doingsomething positive for the community. Since he could speak my son had a bad case of thegimmies at Christmas time with all of the

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Debs, I explain this to my son all the time... I think it is important to encourage independant behavior..... Especially with our kids.... Warren is very bright and he is starting to "get" that he must do his best in school in order to have the best chance in life..... I have shown him the people pushing carts and begging for money.... I feel for these people..... I also explain that we must help them however we can but if he doesnt get the skills he needs to hold a job then he may end up on the street like them..... of course I would never let that happen but he doesnt have to know that part....... in Lancaster, CaBarry Hitchcock <bazndeb@...> wrote: I think a little “thinking outside the box” these days is in order and appropriate. Lets face it, our kids are smart these days. Some need to be shown why we need to do what we have to do. I admit it’s pretty brave of her to stand on the corner with your daughter but

frankly I think it was pretty good! I remember seeing someone holding up a sign when I stopped at a red light. “Will work for food” I made it a point to show my son and had a discussion about it. The only problem I had was he wanted to “give” him food as we started to pull away. Anyway…I told him how important it was to have a good job, education or else he could end up such as the man on the corner. We talked about the man’s family etc. I had lots of questions from my son from this. My son is 8yr old Autistic and very smart! Hey…a little out of the box thinking never hurt anyone and it was a visual for him! I

hope it done some good. Deb’s J -----Original Message-----From: Autism and Aspergers Treatment [mailto:Autism and Aspergers Treatment ] On Behalf Of Monte CrowSent: Friday, November 18, 2005 7:42 AMAutism and Aspergers Treatment Subject: Re: Question for ALL I think what she did was very innovative! I only wish I had thought of something like that before my 16yo son went "off the deep end". MonteBarry Hitchcock <bazndeb@...> wrote: OK here is a question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host program about a lady in Oklahoma and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and just thought I would bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks. Callers called in with all kinds of opinions what is yours? The lady in

Oklahoma was having problems with her daughter doing homework. It was so bad that she decided to teach her a lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be educated, she took this upon herself to “show” her just what life would be like with no education. The lady took her daughter to a street corner and made a sign for her to hold up for every passing car that read “Will work for food”. They were there for an hour until someone reported her. DO you think the mother should be in trouble is this abuse? In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do you agree or disagree? Curious Deb’s --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: 11/16/2005 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/174 - Release Date: 11/17/2005 FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/174 - Release Date: 11/17/2005 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by

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That is true, many of us could end up there for many reasons. I was actually trying to be funny in my earlier post. I probably would never take my kid to the street corner and do that, make them beg. But really there are many people who do not finish their educations and find suitable ways to earn an income who are there. We have a lot of kids here who are on meth, have thrown away their lives for meth, and they beg on street corners, and we are a small city compared to most.

Carolyn

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Did you explain there are many reasons in life to end up on a corner? Most people are but two pay checks away from a street corner and has nothing to do with the things mentioned. Some have psyche problems, some are addicts either to drugs or alchol. We tend not to give kids all the variables. I am sure you did, but it is food for thought. SandyBarry Hitchcock <bazndeb@...> wrote:

I think a little “thinking outside the box” these days is in order and appropriate. Lets face it, our kids are smart these days. Some need to be shown why we need to do what we have to do. I admit it’s pretty brave of her to stand on the corner with your daughter but frankly I think it was pretty good!

I remember seeing someone holding up a sign when I stopped at a red light. “Will work for food” I made it a point to show my son and had a discussion about it. The only problem I had was he wanted to “give” him food as we started to pull away. Anyway…I told him how important it was to have a good job, education or else he could end up such as the man on the corner. We talked about the man’s family etc. I had lots of questions from my son from this.

My son is 8yr old Autistic and very smart! Hey…a little out of the box thinking never hurt anyone and it was a visual for him! I hope it done some good.

Deb’s J

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I think what she did was very innovative! I only wish I had thought of something like that before my 16yo son went "off the deep end".

MonteBarry Hitchcock <bazndeb@...> wrote:

OK here is a question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host program about a lady in Oklahoma and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and just thought I would bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks. Callers called in with all kinds of opinions what is yours?

The lady in Oklahoma was having problems with her daughter doing homework. It was so bad that she decided to teach her a lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be educated, she took this upon herself to “show” her just what life would be like with no education. The lady took her daughter to a street corner and made a sign for her to hold up for every passing car that read “Will work for food”. They were there for an hour until someone reported her. DO you think the mother should be in trouble is this abuse? In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do you agree or disagree?

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i AGREE ABOUT THE NARROW MINDEDNESS OF IT ,BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID THERE ARE ALOT OF WELL EDUCATED HOMELESS......BUT ALSO I CAN THINK OF PUNISHMENTS I GOT AS A CHILD THAT WERE A HECK OF ALOT WORSE THAN STANDING ON THE STREET WITH A SIGN...BUT MAYBE VOLUNTEERING IN A SOUP KITCHEN WOULD HAVE SHOWN HER THE SAME THING. BUT ABUSE...NO I DON'T THINK SO.M Strahlendorf <pgnsht@...> wrote:

I agree with the concept.... But I think actually having your child stand on a highway with a sign is pushing it a bit far... It may do just as well to show them the homeless. Although there are many people who are educated and homeless..... My husbands boss has a 9th grade education but is a self made millionaire...... so it just goes to show......

in Lancaster, CaBarry Hitchcock <bazndeb@...> wrote:

OK here is a question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host program about a lady in Oklahoma and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and just thought I would bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks. Callers called in with all kinds of opinions what is yours?

The lady in Oklahoma was having problems with her daughter doing homework. It was so bad that she decided to teach her a lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be educated, she took this upon herself to “show” her just what life would be like with no education. The lady took her daughter to a street corner and made a sign for her to hold up for every passing car that read “Will work for food”. They were there for an hour until someone reported her. DO you think the mother should be in trouble is this abuse? In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do you

agree or disagree?

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Yeah I did…although I thought he was

a little young to know ALL. But it did produce a lot of questions hence is why

he felt “Sorry” for the man. I do have a heart as well…but I

was unprepared to answer such questions. One question lead to another then that

one lead to another….I started it and thought it was fair that I

explained.

Re:

Question for ALL

I think what she did was very innovative! I only wish

I had thought of something like that before my 16yo son went " off the deep

end " .

Monte

Barry Hitchcock

<bazndeb@...> wrote:

OK here is a

question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s

appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host

program about a lady in Oklahoma

and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and

just thought I would bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks.

Callers called in with all kinds of opinions what is yours?

The lady in Oklahoma

was having problems with her daughter doing homework. It was so bad that she

decided to teach her a lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be

educated, she took this upon herself to “show” her just what life

would be like with no education. The lady took her daughter to a street corner

and made a sign for her to hold up for every passing car that read “Will

work for food”. They were there for an hour until someone reported her.

DO you think the mother should be in trouble is this abuse?  In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do you

agree or disagree?

Curious Deb’s

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Hhhmm…turn in your own child. Well that question would certainly

stir a lot of people. I wouldn’t want to see my child get the death

penalty but what would I really do???? I would hope, depending on the crime he

would do the time. I think this is the only way people learn if they are going

to learn??

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I don't think it was abusive in any way!

Hopefully it taught the girl a good lesson. It might have

embarrassed the girl doing it, but it will save her alot more embarrassement

later on in life. Sometimes you have to show tough love, as long as the

child isn't being physically or mentally abused. There's one question also

alot of parents have broughten up. Would you turn in your child if you knew he

commited a crime? Alot of parent's would say NO!! I guess it

would depend on the crime. What do you guys think? I

would say, Yes, that I would. But then I've never been in that situation.

It would have to probably be the hardest thing to do. But then there's

that " tough love " question again.

Barry Hitchcock

<bazndeb@...> wrote:

OK here is a

question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s

appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host

program about a lady in Oklahoma

and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and

just thought I would bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks.

Callers called in with all kinds of opinions what is yours?

The lady in Oklahoma

was having problems with her daughter doing homework. It was so bad that she

decided to teach her a lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be

educated, she took this upon herself to “show” her just what life

would be like with no education. The lady took her daughter to a street corner

and made a sign for her to hold up for every passing car that read “Will

work for food”. They were there for an hour until someone reported her.

DO you think the mother should be in trouble is this abuse?  In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do you

agree or disagree?

Curious Deb’s

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Well one would hope that you never have to

go far with anything with your child. I also think it maybe different in many

parts or cities, maybe the mother trusted the city…small town or something?

Re:

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I agree with the concept.... But I think actually

having your child stand on a highway with a sign is pushing it a bit far... It

may do just as well to show them the homeless. Although there are many people

who are educated and homeless..... My husbands boss has a 9th grade education

but is a self made millionaire...... so it just goes to show......

in Lancaster, Ca

Barry Hitchcock

<bazndeb@...> wrote:

OK here is a

question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s

appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host

program about a lady in Oklahoma

and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and

just thought I would bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks.

Callers called in with all kinds of opinions what is yours?

The lady in Oklahoma

was having problems with her daughter doing homework. It was so bad that she

decided to teach her a lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be

educated, she took this upon herself to “show” her just what life

would be like with no education. The lady took her daughter to a street corner

and made a sign for her to hold up for every passing car that read “Will

work for food”. They were there for an hour until someone reported her.

DO you think the mother should be in trouble is this abuse?  In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do you

agree or disagree?

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I agree ,they still should know right from wrong,they may have developmental problems ,but for most the difference between right and wrong isn't one of them,is it?Barry Hitchcock <bazndeb@...> wrote:

Hhhmm…turn in your own child. Well that question would certainly stir a lot of people. I wouldn’t want to see my child get the death penalty but what would I really do???? I would hope, depending on the crime he would do the time. I think this is the only way people learn if they are going to learn??

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I don't think it was abusive in any way! Hopefully it taught the girl a good lesson. It might have embarrassed the girl doing it, but it will save her alot more embarrassement later on in life. Sometimes you have to show tough love, as long as the child isn't being physically or mentally abused. There's one question also alot of parents have broughten up. Would you turn in your child if you knew he commited a crime? Alot of parent's would say NO!! I guess it would depend on the crime. What do you guys think? I would say, Yes, that I would. But then I've never been in that situation. It would have to probably be the hardest thing to do. But then there's that "tough love" question again. Barry Hitchcock

<bazndeb@...> wrote:

OK here is a question for everyone. Yesterday we were driving to my sons doctor’s appointment (over an hours drive away) I was listening to a talk show host program about a lady in Oklahoma and her daughter. The host asked everyone’s opinion on this matter and just thought I would bring it to the group to see what everyone here thinks. Callers called in with all kinds of opinions what is yours?

The lady in Oklahoma was having problems with her daughter doing homework. It was so bad that she decided to teach her a lesson. IF she wasn’t to do her homework or to be educated, she took this upon herself to “show” her just what life would be like with no education. The lady took her daughter to a street corner and made a sign for her to hold up for every passing car that read “Will work for food”. They were there for an hour until someone reported her. DO you think the mother should be in trouble is this abuse? In your opinion, was this too harsh? Do you agree or disagree?

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