Re: Re: vibraton and energetic[thuja]

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the main principle of homeopathy is to give you the substance that causes the problem you have, like thuja in real doses causes asthma, but with homeopathy the dilutions are so small as to be undectectable that they cause the opposite reaction to happen. it certainly sounds like a fairy tale, except for the fact that it works. I canot fathom how somethin undectable can do this, but my body certaibnly responed as it was supposed to. If you read the materia medica for homeopathy it is astounding the substance they dilute for theraputic purposes. Sort of the hair of the dog that bit you theory I think. garybbuzzdt <bbuzzdt@...> wrote: Those warnings are for dummies who might actually attempt to ingest an essential oil in large quantities. This Thuja stuff does, however, sound very powerful; and should certainly be approached with caution. I personally have noticed that the smoke from burning white cedar(thuja) gives me asthmatic symptoms more than the smoke from white or red pine, oak, hickory, maple, birch, etc. Now I have an idea why.Also, I want to point out that many, many herbal remedies have a very well established history of their benefits and risks; with centuries of "oversight". Sadly, much of this knowledge is lost, forgotten, or just not known to the users, practitioners, distributers, etc.So regarding herbal remedies and the like; do your research. Do not choose any remedy based solely on claims of it's possible

benefits, and do not reject them based on possible risks when used improperly. Do your research. The more you know, the less scary things are.Buzz>> Here is why homeopathy and herbal remedies are scary. I would say that> death would be a bad side effect. sure, in theory that homeopathic> remedy is below the toxic level, but I'm sure not willing to bet my life> and liver on it.> > > > Just a quick search on this herb brings up a large amount of information> that tells me it could be very bad to take. I'm glad it worked for you> but I would never use it. I'm leery of any drug I have to take but at> least the risk associated with drugs is pretty well established prior to> my taking it. Nothing is foolproof but at

least there has been some> oversight.> > > > As far as I'm concerned, people are more than welcome to go out and try> whatever crazy remedy they want. I understand the desperation. What I> just don't understand is the desperation that leads to doing things that> scientifically or even reasonably makes no sense. I just recently put> my horse on an herb. I did a lot of research on it before deciding to> try it. One of the very important parts of that research was the fact> that it did not appear to be toxic or cause adverse affects in even> large doses. My vet confirmed this. It was also very, very cheap> (unless you want to pay for the expensive extracts that some people> swear by). So, maybe it won't do him any good, maybe it will, but it> also should not cause any harm. And he actually likes the taste of it> so he eats his

other supplements and medicines, which makes it worth it> to me right there, because those other supplements and medicines are> important. I am also not taking him off the conventional drug he is on> to treat the same disease. However, if I had read warnings like I just> did for thuja, I would not be giving it to him, no matter how tasty it> is.> > > > K.> > > > > Thuja> > > > > > > > Other common name(s): eastern white cedar, northern white cedar, yellow> cedar, tree of life, arborvitae, swamp cedar> > Scientific/medical name(s): Thuja occidentalis> > Description> > Thuja (pronounced thu-ya) is an evergreen in the cypress family, native> to eastern North America. The tree is also grown in Europe as an> ornamental plant. The

parts used in herbal remedies are the branches and> the tiny, flat, scale-like leaves, which contain the oil thujone (see> Wormwood> <http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_5_3X_Wormwood.asp?siteare> a=ETO> ). > > Overview> > Available scientific evidence does not support claims that thuja or its> extract is safe or effective. Taken internally, the herb can cause> serious side effects, and may be toxic in large doses. The essential> oil, also known as cedar leaf oil, is not generally sold for internal> use. It is poisonous, and can also irritate or burn skin and eyes.> > > > Are there any possible problems or complications?> > Taken internally in large doses, thuja can be toxic, although the exact>

amount that causes problems is uncertain. Some people who have consumed> thuja reportedly experienced asthma attacks, intestinal irritation,> excess stimulation of the nervous system, and spontaneous abortion> (miscarriage.) > > The essential oil causes spasms if taken internally, and in high doses> it can cause seizures as well as damage to the liver and the kidneys.> The fresh leaves and shoots can also cause poisoning. Deaths have been> reported. Skin or eye contact with cedar leaf oil can cause severe> irritation or burns. Asthma and rashes have occurred in people who work> with the wood of this tree.> > > > From http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_5_3X_Thuja.asp > > >

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So here

is a question (or two), it sounds like homeopathy in some ways is maybe supposed

to work like allergy shots, right?  So, taking into account that allergy shots

aren’t even always effective and can sometimes even be bad, couldn’t

one expect the same sort of success/failure rate?  I still think diluting

something until it is undetectable wouldn’t really do much other than in

a person’s mind, but I’m trying to look at this on a theoretical

basis.  I tried allergy shots, they made my sinuses much worse and I finally

gave up and felt much better.  Seems to me then that homeopathy might very well

have the same effect on me.  However, some people respond really well to

allergy shots, so maybe homeopathy works for them?

K.

Re: Re:

vibraton and energetic[thuja]

the main principle of homeopathy is to give you the

substance that causes the problem you have, like thuja in real doses causes

asthma, but with homeopathy the dilutions are so small as to be undectectable

that they cause the opposite reaction to happen. it certainly sounds like a

fairy tale, except for the fact that it works. I canot fathom how somethin

undectable can do this, but my body certaibnly responed as it was supposed

to. If you read the materia medica for homeopathy it is astounding

the substance they dilute for theraputic purposes. Sort of the hair of the dog

that bit you theory I think.

gary

bbuzzdt

<bbuzzdt > wrote:

Those

warnings are for dummies who might actually attempt to ingest

an essential oil in large quantities.

This Thuja stuff does, however, sound very powerful; and should

certainly be approached with caution. I personally have noticed that

the smoke from burning white cedar(thuja) gives me asthmatic

symptoms more than the smoke from white or red pine, oak, hickory,

maple, birch, etc. Now I have an idea why.

Also, I want to point out that many, many herbal remedies have a

very well established history of their benefits and risks; with

centuries of " oversight " . Sadly, much of this knowledge is lost,

forgotten, or just not known to the users, practitioners,

distributers, etc.

So regarding herbal remedies and the like; do your research. Do not

choose any remedy based solely on claims of it's possible benefits,

and do not reject them based on possible risks when used improperly.

Do your research. The more you know, the less scary things are.

Buzz

>

> Here is why homeopathy and herbal remedies are scary. I would say

that

> death would be a bad side effect. sure, in theory that homeopathic

> remedy is below the toxic level, but I'm sure not willing to bet

my life

> and liver on it.

>

>

>

> Just a quick search on this herb brings up a large amount of

information

> that tells me it could be very bad to take. I'm glad it worked

for you

> but I would never use it. I'm leery of any drug I have to take

but at

> least the risk associated with drugs is pretty well established

prior to

> my taking it. Nothing is foolproof but at least there has been

some

> oversight.

>

>

>

> As far as I'm concerned, people are more than welcome to go out

and try

> whatever crazy remedy they want. I understand the desperation.

What I

> just don't understand is the desperation that leads to doing

things that

> scientifically or even reasonably makes no sense. I just recently

put

> my horse on an herb. I did a lot of research on it before

deciding to

> try it. One of the very important parts of that research was the

fact

> that it did not appear to be toxic or cause adverse affects in even

> large doses. My vet confirmed this. It was also very, very cheap

> (unless you want to pay for the expensive extracts that some people

> swear by). So, maybe it won't do him any good, maybe it will, but

it

> also should not cause any harm. And he actually likes the taste

of it

> so he eats his other supplements and medicines, which makes it

worth it

> to me right there, because those other supplements and medicines

are

> important. I am also not taking him off the conventional drug he

is on

> to treat the same disease. However, if I had read warnings like I

just

> did for thuja, I would not be giving it to him, no matter how

tasty it

> is.

>

>

>

> K.

>

>

>

>

> Thuja

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Other common name(s): eastern white cedar, northern white cedar,

yellow

> cedar, tree of life, arborvitae, swamp cedar

>

> Scientific/medical name(s): Thuja occidentalis

>

> Description

>

> Thuja (pronounced thu-ya) is an evergreen in the cypress family,

native

> to eastern North America. The tree is also grown in Europe as an

> ornamental plant. The parts used in herbal remedies are the

branches and

> the tiny, flat, scale-like leaves, which contain the oil thujone

(see

> Wormwood

> <http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_5_3X_Wormwood.asp?

siteare

> a=ETO> ).

>

> Overview

>

> Available scientific evidence does not support claims that thuja

or its

> extract is safe or effective. Taken internally, the herb can cause

> serious side effects, and may be toxic in large doses. The

essential

> oil, also known as cedar leaf oil, is not generally sold for

internal

> use. It is poisonous, and can also irritate or burn skin and eyes.

>

>

>

> Are there any possible problems or complications?

>

> Taken internally in large doses, thuja can be toxic, although the

exact

> amount that causes problems is uncertain. Some people who have

consumed

> thuja reportedly experienced asthma attacks, intestinal irritation,

> excess stimulation of the nervous system, and spontaneous abortion

> (miscarriage.)

>

> The essential oil causes spasms if taken internally, and in high

doses

> it can cause seizures as well as damage to the liver and the

kidneys.

> The fresh leaves and shoots can also cause poisoning. Deaths have

been

> reported. Skin or eye contact with cedar leaf oil can cause severe

> irritation or burns. Asthma and rashes have occurred in people who

work

> with the wood of this tree.

>

>

>

> From http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_5_3X_Thuja.asp

>

>

>

 

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