Guest guest Posted January 27, 2001 Report Share Posted January 27, 2001 cameron, first of all, the amount of vaccines that anyone who is an adult now, has had, is nothing compared to the amount of vaccines that children receive nowadays. most people who are now adults received about 6 vaccines as children. small children now receive about 22 and some even more (and more being approved for use every year--there are probably hundreds of potential vaxes in the works as we write, all vying to be the next big lifesaver!) so, the fact hat he had no reaction (that he knows of) doesn't mean a child who gets almost 4 times the amount that he had, won't have a reaction. plus, he grew up in a world that was slightly less bombarded with toxins in the air, water, etc. also, most adults ate much fewer preservatives and processed foods than today's children do--all of this adds up to be an ugly mix of potential problems...good luck!! my husband is slowly beginning to believe what i have been trying to tell him for the last year or so, but it has been a long battle. trusting and worshipping the medical establishment--especially in regards to children, is very ingrained in him. like the parents who see the kid every single day of their lives, should feel as though some stranger who spends about 5 minutes with their kid in an exam room, will know better what is wrong with their kid!! i don't think so. anyway, i ramble...hope he sees the light!! ) brigit, in albany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2001 Report Share Posted January 27, 2001 In a message dated 1/27/2001 4:52:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, beebemcel@... writes: most people who are now adults received about 6 vaccines as children. small children now receive about 22 and some even more more like 37 before the age of 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2001 Report Share Posted January 27, 2001 Well, all of dh's brothers and sisters have asthma and dd has exzema. I thought that those things were just family genes passed down? I know it can be vaccine related, also. Re: what to say Remember, everyone from your generation probably only recieved 5 or 6 shots, tops. Now, the babies can get over 22 by the time they are 2 years old. And do any of his friends have allergies, asthma, eczema or any auto-immune disorders? These could all be vaccine related, and more... Sharon, Quakertown PA what to say Hi all! I'm still trying to weed through everything I'm reading from this email list. My dh and I aren't seeing eye to eye on this issue. One of his arguements is that, he's been vaccinated, as well as everyone he knows - friends in school, cousins, etc. - and hasn't seen a serious reaction to the vaccines in any of them. Of course, dh has a reading disability I keep telling him could be from the vaccines. How do I respond to an arguement like that? Cameron Kiersten (20 months) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2001 Report Share Posted January 27, 2001 Remember, everyone from your generation probably only recieved 5 or 6 shots, tops. Now, the babies can get over 22 by the time they are 2 years old. And do any of his friends have allergies, asthma, eczema or any auto-immune disorders? These could all be vaccine related, and more... Sharon, Quakertown PA what to say Hi all! I'm still trying to weed through everything I'm reading from this email list. My dh and I aren't seeing eye to eye on this issue. One of his arguements is that, he's been vaccinated, as well as everyone he knows - friends in school, cousins, etc. - and hasn't seen a serious reaction to the vaccines in any of them. Of course, dh has a reading disability I keep telling him could be from the vaccines. How do I respond to an arguement like that? Cameron Kiersten (20 months) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2001 Report Share Posted January 27, 2001 In a message dated 1/28/01 1:17:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, kckalua@... writes: Well, all of dh's brothers and sisters have asthma and dd has exzema. I thought that those things were just family genes passed down? I know it can be vaccine related, also. actually, vax reactions tend to run in families too--if one is susceptible to, let's say thimerosal, then other family members may be too. so, this could be the case... brigit, in albany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 In a message dated 1/27/01 3:23:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, kckalua@... writes: << One of his arguements is that, he's been vaccinated, as well as everyone he knows - friends in school, cousins, etc. - and hasn't seen a serious reaction to the vaccines in any of them. >> This is also what my dh has said.My response is that the vaccines are different with every lot created.Also that kids now a days gets far more vaccines than we ever did.And finally that most reactions are denied,or atleast blamed on something else such as genetic defect or say birth trauma. Just becasue you don't know someone who experienced vaccine damage does not mean that it does not occur,or that your child will not be that *one*.This decision should be based on what you intend to inject into your child ,NOT how all the other children handled it.No one in my neighborhood looks to be vaccined damaged,but that does not make it seem safer to me.JMHO. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 They may have been genetically predisposed to these weaknesses, but they are autoimmune disorders, and would basically need a trigger to set them off. Someone correct me PLEASE if I am wrong. Also, if these sort of immune disorders run in your family (or his), it is all the more reason NOT to vaccinate, as they could manifest themselves as something EVEN MORE SERIOUS in your child. It means that your baby would have a much higher risk than children without these histories for serious side effects. Could others on this list please elaborate... Sharon, Quakertown PA what to say Hi all! I'm still trying to weed through everything I'm reading from this email list. My dh and I aren't seeing eye to eye on this issue. One of his arguements is that, he's been vaccinated, as well as everyone he knows - friends in school, cousins, etc. - and hasn't seen a serious reaction to the vaccines in any of them. Of course, dh has a reading disability I keep telling him could be from the vaccines. How do I respond to an arguement like that? Cameron Kiersten (20 months) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 I am sure you are right about this, Sharon. My twin girl is not vaccined and I am glad that we did not do it, because she is allergic and sensitive to so many things that I don't even want to think about the effects vaccines would have had on her. The thought is too scary. a. what to say Hi all! I'm still trying to weed through everything I'm reading from this email list. My dh and I aren't seeing eye to eye on this issue. One of his arguements is that, he's been vaccinated, as well as everyone he knows - friends in school, cousins, etc. - and hasn't seen a serious reaction to the vaccines in any of them. Of course, dh has a reading disability I keep telling him could be from the vaccines. How do I respond to an arguement like that? Cameron Kiersten (20 months) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 OOhhhh, WOW. Had no idea! I hope someone can elaborate more on this. Wow, thanks! Cameron Re: what to say They may have been genetically predisposed to these weaknesses, but they are autoimmune disorders, and would basically need a trigger to set them off. Someone correct me PLEASE if I am wrong. Also, if these sort of immune disorders run in your family (or his), it is all the more reason NOT to vaccinate, as they could manifest themselves as something EVEN MORE SERIOUS in your child. It means that your baby would have a much higher risk than children without these histories for serious side effects. Could others on this list please elaborate... Sharon, Quakertown PA what to say Hi all! I'm still trying to weed through everything I'm reading from this email list. My dh and I aren't seeing eye to eye on this issue. One of his arguements is that, he's been vaccinated, as well as everyone he knows - friends in school, cousins, etc. - and hasn't seen a serious reaction to the vaccines in any of them. Of course, dh has a reading disability I keep telling him could be from the vaccines. How do I respond to an arguement like that? Cameron Kiersten (20 months) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 I appreciate what Rob and others are saying, but people do receive a welcome e-mail message when they are new members, as Ken mentioned. And it is helpful if people read about the basics first before they come and ask questions. Everyone here has different roles -- and that is why it is such a valuable group. Ken's contributions are completely invaluable -- I think if you take a look at the library, which is basically almost entirely Ken's creation, that you will see how much work he has done to forward our knowledge of Samters and its treatments, in addition to his wonderful posts here. I am sure he has spent hours upon hours working on the library, so to call it " his precious library, " would be true but also really falling short of what it is, because it is the most comprehensive compilation of Samters resources ever put together in one place. There is absolutely nothing else like it anywhere. I am sure some of the links are dead -- the Internet is a very dynamic place. Ken doesn't get paid for this -- he does it out of the goodness of his heart and to help everyone here. I really hope Ken will reconsider his decision to step down as moderator and step back from the boards. This group would never be the same without him. As a group it requires input from all of its members. If Ken does not return I will certainly always encourage people to check the library first although I know I will not be able to do it with Ken's wit and, sure, sarcasm sometimes. Some of us have been on here for years and answered the same questions over and over, and the library answers many of them. So it makes sense to refer people there first to do some of their own work. If you do not agree with him referring the people to the library, just ignore it and answer the question yourself. Anyway I do respect EVERYONE's opinion. But in this case I also want people to realize how much work Ken does, all for the cause of improving Samters self-care for all of us. Lori > > And I am sure many people, including myself, sign up for email messages and > never really get on the Message board itself. > > _____ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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