Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

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Hi Samsmom,

Thanks and no worries

Becky x

From: "samsmom6602@..." <samsmom6602@...>samters Sent: Wed, 26 May, 2010 15:23:48Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Hi , I totally understand where your coming from. I have had Samters for 8 years now, and have tried ever thing under the sun. I have also been a member of this group for a very long time and would not put anything out here that hasn't really helped me. I also know you can't believe everything you see on the internet whether good or bad. I truly believe if you change your diet you will be able to eat more foods with sal in it. Also, Juice Plus is not expensive at all, and to me I think its worth the try. I wish you all the best and I am sorry for any misunderstanding. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

From: Bannister <beckyb256 (DOT) co.uk>

Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:05:53 +0000 (GMT)

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Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Hi Samsmom,

I am really not trying to have a go at you at all. I am grateful for all comments and suggestions about anything that may help us in our quest for better health. I am simply trying to discover what Juice plus is all about - and help provide more balanced info on something that others may wish to try. I guess I am naturally wary of a product that claims such amazing benefits, especially one that has been recommended to supplement a salycilate free diet, when it contains derivatives from fruit and veggies high is salycilates (eg the orchard/garden blend has tomatoes in).

I just like to know all the facts that I can before deciding whether it has the potential to be beneficial to me, especially if it costs money.

Best wishes

Becky

From: "samsmom6602" <samsmom6602>samters@groups .comSent: Wed, 26 May, 2010 15:03:13Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Hi , I never once said Juice Plus was a cure all. I simply listed the things that have helped me Juice Plus being one of them. I then answered questions that were asked pertaining to Juice Plus. I also said that if your able to get enough servings of RAW fruits and veggies in your diet then you DO NOT need Juice Plus. Many people enjoy Juicing and have a Juicer and that's a good way of getting everything you need in your diet. As far as your article goes anyone can write a positive or negative article on anything. Its best to try something for yourself and see if it works for you. We have all tried many different things and products to help our conditions and there is nothing wrong with adding a supplement that is whole food based to your diet. By the way NSA the company that makes Juice Plus has an A + rating with the Better Business Bureau and backed by many world known physicians.

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From: Bannister <beckyb256 (DOT) co.uk>

Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 13:33:45 +0000 (GMT)

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Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Dear Samsmom, i am genuinely pleased that juice Plus works well for you, and it may help many, but I just want to add this (lengthy) article to help others make a more informed decision as to whether Juice plus is the 'cure-all' for them.

Regards

Becky

Juice Plus: A Critical Look

Barrett, M.D.

National Safety Associates (NSA) president Jay likes to turn simple ideas into megamillion- dollar sales. An NSA brochure states by 1997, his company had generated over $3 billion in sales by "developing and introducing innovative new products that are on the leading edge of whole new industries": home fire detectors in the 1970s, water filters in the early 1980s, and air filters in the late 1980s. But its "biggest hit yet," is a line of "natural food-based products designed to help prevent disease." [1] Its flagship product —Juice Plus+®—was introduced in 1993 and hit $6 million per month by the end of its first year [2].

The Juice Plus+ recipe for success is very simple: Fruits and vegetables are good for us. Capture their goodness in convenient products. Add endorsements, testimonials, a pinch of fear, a scientific veneer, and several dollops of deception. And harness the power of multilevel marketing (MLM) to spread the word. All of these ingredients have been around for many years. But NSA has developed a winning mix.

It is well established that dietary strategies can help prevent certain cancers and reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease. Popularization of the diet-cancer link began during the early 1980s when the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) reported that people who eat lots of whole-grain cereals, fruits, and vegetables have a lower incidence of certain cancers [3]. Since that time, research has shown that emphasizing these foods can also help prevent heart attacks and strokes. These ideas have been quantified in the Food Guide Pyramid System (1992), which recommends 6-11 servings of grain products, 2-4 servings of fruit, and 3-5 servings of vegetables per day, depending on the individual's caloric level [4]. Since it was not known which dietary factors, if any, might be helpful, the NAS report specified that supplementation with individual nutrients was not advisable. Within a few months after the report was issued, however, several products containing

dehydrated vegetables and/or various nutrients were marketed as though the report had supported their use for cancer prevention. Government regulatory actions drove some of the early products from the marketplace, but new studies (particularly of antioxidants) , new marketing techniques, and lax federal enforcement have enabled many more to take their place.

NSA would like you believe that everyone should take Juice Plus+. This article explains why I disagree.

The Power of MLM

MLM is a form of direct sales in which independent distributors can make money not only from their own sales but also from those of the people they recruit. Its roots date back to the 1930s when a California businessman began offering friends a commission for selling a food supplement to their friends. The operation evolved into Nutrilite Products in 1939 and began significant interstate distribution in 1945. In 1959, two highly successful distributors formed a new company that evolved into the multibillion- dollar, international conglomerate now called Amway. Shaklee Corporation, another MLM giant, was founded in 1956 by a retired chiropractor. Since that time, hundreds of other companies and millions of "independent distributors" have joined the fray.

Until the mid-1980s, claims made for health-related MLM products were conveyed mainly through direct personal contact in which the salesperson' s personal success story (health or financial) played an important role. Since that time, however, many companies have added slick videotapes and audiotapes to spread their story, telephone conferences to train large groups of salespeople, a scientific advisory board to seem more authoritative, company-sponsored research to appear more authentic, and endorsements from prominent persons to lend prestige. Many companies use scare tactics and cite scientific research to suggest that their products will prevent disease. NSA does all of these things effectively.

Testimonials Are not Reliable Evidence

The "success" of network marketing lies in the enthusiasm of its participants. Most people who think something has helped their health enjoy sharing their success with their friends. Testimonial- givers are usually motivated by a sincere wish to help their fellow humans. Since people tend to believe what others tell them about personal experiences, testimonials can be powerful persuaders. An NSA distributor manual notes that "as people use the product, they begin to build their own Juice Plus+ story to share with others." Although NSA literature states, "We do not make any claims . . . involving the prevention, cure, mitigation of any disease," NSA distributors are circulating statements that Juice Plus+ products have relieved a wide variety of discomforts. In 1994, I even even acquired a 69-page booklet of endorsements and testimonials which stated:

These are some of the benefits found by people taking Juice Plus+. Some noticed these signs after a few days, others after weeks or months. These benefits may not apply to you, but you may want to look out for them: general sense of well-being; more alert; more energy; more regular; better digestion; better appetite; sleep better; need less sleep; wake up easier; wake up earlier, less urge to snack; less craving for sweets; crave fruit, vegetables & salad; weight loss; weight gain (if desired); loss of inches from waist & hips; better skin tone; nails grow stronger and faster; hair grows stronger and faster; look better; clearer eyes; easier to quit smoking; easier to start exercise program; handle stress more easily; better recovery after workout; able to work harder; higher athletic performance; faster recovery from injury; reduced allergies & sinusitis; reduced arthritis pain; fewer headaches; less pain; lower blood pressure; improved

blood sugar [5].

Testimonials, of course, should not be regarded as valid evidence. Without well-designed tests, it is usually impossible to tell whether changes that take place after taking a product are the result of the product, a placebo effect, or other factors such the fact that symptoms often change with the passage of time. Nor is it possible to tell whether enthusiastic, financially motivated salespeople accurately report what they experience.

The unreliability of testimonials was dramatically illustrated by the case of former football star O.J. Simpson, who was charged with stabbing his wife and her friend Goldman. In March 1994, shortly before these murders took place, he was videotaped telling 4,000 distributors at a sales meeting that Juice Plus+ had cured his arthritis. Testimony in the murder case indicated that he was also taking sulfasalazine, a standard anti-inflammatory drug that could have relieved his symptoms [6]. Subsequently, his defense attorneys presented medical testimony that Simpson was so crippled by arthritis that he could not have committed the murders [7].

What's in Juice Plus+?

NSA's Guide for New Distributors, a 94-page loose-leaf manual dated October 1997, stated that 17 foods are juiced to extract their nutritional essence and then reduced to powders using a proprietary process that avoids high temperatures. During the process, sugar, salt, and most of the calories and fiber are removed. "Orchard Blend" capsules are derived from acerola berries, apples, cranberries, oranges, papaya, peaches, and pineapple. "Garden Blend" capsules contain barley, beets, broccoli, cabbage, carrots, kale, oats, parsley, spinach, and tomato. Both products are also said to contain corresponding soluble and insoluble fibers, phytochemical "food actives," vitamins, minerals, and enzymes. Additional fiber and enzymes are added, and the products are encapsulated by a company called Natural Alternatives International [8].

Neither the product labels nor the product literature I have seen indicate the quantities of these ingredients in Juice Plus+ capsules. The 1997 manual advised taking Orchard Blend and Garden Blend at separate times because "fruits are digested differently from vegetables and your system can handle them more efficiently if they're dealt with separately." However, Juice Plus+ "Better Bars" combined both concentrates with "real fruits, oats, bran, and a host of other natural ingredients. " NSA has also marketed a meal-replacement drink, Juice Plus+® Lite, each serving of which provided 110 calories, 4 grams of dietary fiber, and significant amounts of 12 vitamins and a few minerals. The current (2006) products include a chewable pill for children, JP+ Gummies® (said to be a healthy alternative to candies), and Juice Plus Thins®, said to be a snack "specially designed and formulated to help curb your appetite." The Juice Plus+

Web site contains no data showing that taking the product helps curb appetite.

NSA stresses that government guidelines recommend eating 5-9 servings of fruits and vegetables per day. However, it fails to put this recommendation into proper perspective. The primary purpose is not to ensure adequate vitamin intake (which is achieved with fewer servings) but to (a) get adequate fiber intake and ( create a dietary mix that is low to moderate in fat. Juice Plus+ provides the nutrients in fruits and vegetables, but includes far more beta-carotene than most experts would recommend. In addition, it lacks the fiber and people who think it substitutes for fruits and vegetables might wind up with a higher dietary fat content.

In 2005, the National Advertising Division of the Council of Better Business Bureaus advised NSA to modify certain advertising claims to avoid the implication that Juice Plus+ Gummies®, are an alternative for, or nutritionally comparable to fruits and vegetables [9].

Peculiar Claims

Pages 41 and 42 of the 1997 manual suggested that each food source offered a special health benefit. Apples, for example, were said to "contain boron a trace mineral that affects the electrical activity of the brain, increasing mental alertness." Oranges are said to "contain every class of cancer inhibitor known." Acerola cherries were "a source of vitamin C, known to relieve symptoms of osteoarthritis. " Carrots were said to lower cholesterol, parsley to be "good for the heart and immune system," kale to be a "powerful cancer fighter," and cabbage was "thought to block breast cancer." Even if these claims were true, there is no reason to conclude that taking Juice Plus+ capsules could provide the same benefit.

Page 43 stated, "The food enzymes in Juice Plus will facilitate digestion of your food, making it more usable to your body. This also conserves the body's own enzyme supply to do other important things like fighting off disease." This statement is false because: (a) most people have enough enzymes in their intestinal tract to digest their food; ( most of the enzymes in food are destroyed during digestion; and © the body's production of metabolic enzymes does not depend upon the amounts of enzymes in the digestive tract.

Such enzymatic nonsense reflects the ideas of Humbart "Smokey" Santillo, author of Food Enzymes: The Missing Link to Radiant Health [10], to whom NSA attributes the Juice Plus+ concept. Santillo's credentials include a bachelor of science degree from Edinboro State Teacher's College; a doctor of naturopathy degree from a nonaccredited correspondence school (the Anglo-American Institute of Drugless Therapy), an iridology "certificate of merit," a master herbalist certificate from the herbalist ' s School of Natural Healing, and eight years of study at the Concept Therapy Institute (which teaches a biotheistic chiropractic technique). One of NSA's audiotapes featured Santillo claiming that whole fruits and vegetables should not be eaten closely together as foods but are safely combined but in Juice Plus+. He also claimed that Juice Plus+ Lite helped people manage their weight because. "It has so

much food value and is so easy to digest. Once they start absorbing all that food, they just don't have the same hunger . . . and lose weight automatically. " [11]

Santillo's basic concepts of health, disease, and treatment include a hodgepodge of naturopathy and traditional Chinese medicine. His book Natural Healing with Herbs, spouts the naturopathic dogma that most diseases are "really the result of an overtaxed eliminative system" and that "by using a cleansing diet and short fasts, cleaning the colon by using enemas, aiding eliminative processes and purifying the blood through the proper choice of herbs, and by other methods," disease can be quickly cleared up by "clearing the underlying toxic state." [12:3] But he also states that "diseases can be classified as either hot or cold, yin or yang, excess or deficient, internal or external." [12:5]. Varro E. Tyler, Ph.D., a world-renowned herbal authority who was professor of pharmacognosy at Purdue University, concluded that the book was riddled with errors and is a "nearly perfect example" of irrational advice about herbs [13].

The Aetna U.S. Health Care "Endorsement"

In 1998, Aetna U.S. Health Care (the largest HMO) began offering a "Natural Alternatives Program," under which subscribers can obtain discounts of 20% or more for various products and services [14]. Several Juice Plus+ distributors have notified me that Aetna U.S. Health Care was "recommending" Juice Plus+ under this program. However, the site describing the program stated otherwise:

Natural Alternatives is a discount pass-through program. . . . Participating Natural Alternatives providers and vendors are solely responsible for the products and services they provide. Providers or vendors offering discounts under Natural Alternatives may not have been credentialed or reviewed by Aetna U.S. Healthcare. By making these discounts available, Aetna U.S. Healthcare does NOT endorse these providers or vendors or their services or make any guarantee as to availability or quality of providers or discounts under this program. Aetna U.S. Healthcare gives no warranty, expressed or implied, as to description, quality, merchantability, fitness for any particular purpose, or any other matter for any product or service purchased by you using a Natural Alternatives discount [15].

The Scientific Veneer

Juice Plus+ promoters also claim there is scientific proof that Juice Plus+ is good for people's health. NSA's most powerful sales aids are tape-recordings by DuBois, M.D., a board certified internist who is described as "one of the world's leading authorities on infectious disease." Citing scientific studies, DuBois correctly notes that:

Considerable research shows that diets high in grains, fruits, and vegetables are associated with lower rates of certain cancers, cardiovascular disease, and several other types of degenerative disease Many Americans do not eat the recommended number of servings Epidemiologic studies have found that these diseases are associated with low blood levels of certain phytonutrients An NSA-sponsored study of 15 healthy individuals found that supplementation with Juice Plus+ for 28 days raised the blood levels of five phytonutrients: beta-carotene, alpha carotene, lutein/zeaxanthin, lycopene, and vitamin E. The study found, for example, that beta-carotene levels were five times as high and lycopene levels were 20 times as high [16].

To further support his argument, DuBois correctly describes how clinical trials have found that supplementation with individual nutrients sometimes does more harm than good. But he then asserts that the Juice Plus+ nutrients are safe and more effective, because the phytonutrient content of plants is "balanced." Based on all of the above assumptions, he concludes that everyone should take Juice Plus+.

The above reasoning is not valid. Nearly all of the evidence relating disease rates to dietary composition is epidemiologic. Epidemiologic studies do not prove cause and effect. And even if causal connections are established, they do not prove that dietary supplements will remedy a poor diet or that Juice Plus+ is an optimal supplement. (In fact, it is not likely to be optimal because it lacks vitamin B12 and most of the minerals included in full-spectrum multivitamin/ multimineral pills.) Nor is there any logical reason to conclude that Juice Plus is "balanced" simply because its ingredients were extracted from foods. Only well-designed, long-term clinical trials can determine whether taking Juice Plus+ or any other pill or potion can actually prevent disease.

But that's not all. Much of the protective effect of fruits and vegetables is due to their fiber content. Juice Plus+ pills have nearly all the fiber removed. Moreover, eating the recommended portions of grains, fruits, and vegetables does not merely provide high levels of phytochemicals. It usually means that the overall diet is low or moderate in fat. Nobody knows whether adding a product like Juice Plus+ to a high-fat or low-fiber diet would provide much benefit. The bottom line is that if someone's diet is low in fruits, vegetables, or grains, the most prudent action is fix the diet.

Curiously, in 1986, two authors of NSA's phytonutrient study were associated with United Sciences of America (USA), a multilevel company that sold supplements with illegal claims that they could prevent many diseases. Lead author A. Wise, Ph.D., was USA's vice president of science and data information; and second author J. Morin, M.D., was a scientific advisor who helped design the products. State and federal enforcement actions drove the company out of business in 1987 [17]. USA's main product was its Master Formula, which included large amounts of beta-carotene and vitamin E [18]. Today, Wise is vice president, science and technology and is a stockholder of Natural Alternatives International (NAI), of San

Marcos, California, which manufacturers the Juice Plus+ products. NSA was responsible for at least 16% of NAI's sales during the year ending June 30, 1999 [19].

Even more curiously, DuBois himself has cast doubt on his claim that Juice Plus+ provides "balanced nutrition." In the 1998 NSA videotape, "Homocysteine, Oxidative Stress, Pathogenesis and Prevention of Disease," he states extra carotenoids are stored in the skin and that his own skin has turned orange from the pills. Beta-carotene supplements have been associated with increased cancer rates in two large clinical studies [20,21] and have been found to increase precancerous changes in ferrets exposed to cigarette smoke [22]. The highly respected Medical Letter on Drugs and Therapeutics—a peer-reviewed newsletter for physicians—has concluded that "no one should take beta-carotene supplements. " [23] But rather than noting the risk, DuBois claims that "When you turn orange, you have neutralized your oxidative stress" (a purported measure of harmful free-radical activity) and therefore reduced your odds of getting certain diseases. He even

describes how his patients say, "I want to look like you. I want that carotenoid gloss." [24] How can he possibly know that years of living with orange skin will do more good than harm?

NSA has also used testimonials from pediatrician Sears, M.D, and others to promote Juice Plus+ Gummies as low in sugar and a nutritional alternative to fruits and vegetables. In 2005, after the Better Business Bureau's National Advertising Division concluded that the ads were misleading, the company promised to stop saying that Gummies contain "less sugar" than a can of soda and are “the next best thing to fruits and vegetables.†[25]

The Research Veneer

Several studies sponsored by Juice Plus+ have been completed and many more are underway [26]. The published studies include:

One study showed that taking Juice Plus+ increased a few markers of immune activity [27]. Another study concluded that giving Juice Plus+ to healthy men and women helped protect DNA from oxidative as measured in the the nuclei of white blood cells [28]. However, neither of these studies involved measurement of health outcome. Two studies have found that taking Juice Plus+ decreased the blood level of homocysteine [29,30], a substance thought to contribute to coronary artery disease. The results of these studies were predictable because Juice Plus+ contains folic acid, which is known to reduce homocysteine levels. However, people concerned about homocysteine levels should begin by having them measured and then, under medical supervision, use folic acid, vitamin B12, and/or vitamin B6 to reach the desired levels. Using Juice Plus+ for this purpose would be silly because the standard regimen would cost less than $2 per month and would be more effective for people who need B12 to achieve the desired levels. Another study [31] found that Juice Plus+ reduced the adverse effect of a high-fat meal on the functioning of a wrist artery. Many studies have shown similar effects with supplementation with antioxidant supplements, but whether this has practical value is not known and the effect can be achieved with very inexpensive products.

A Wikipedia report examines whether the research findings support claims that Juice Plus+ (a) reduces oxidative stress, ( promotes cardiovascular wellness, © supports a healthy immune system, and (d) helps protect DNA. In January 2008, the report concluded that "multiple studies of varying standards have produced conflicting results as to the truth of these claims." [32]

In 1999, NSA launched the Juice Plus+® Children's Health Study, which it described as a large, multi-year health survey that would help determine whether adding Juice Plus+® fruit and vegetable supplements to the family diet can affect the health and well-being of children ages 6 to 15. In the study, each child participant is paired with an adult participant, usually a parent. The children under 12 are given products free or charge, but payment is required for the other participants. Completed questionnaires are tabulated by the Juice Plus Children's Research Foundation, which was set up to support programs that "advance the principle that improved nutrition leads to healthier lifestyle and overall better health in children." [33]. The "preliminary report"—said to have been based on the first 25,000 responses—contains many

claims that the regimen led to improvements in the child's health status and interest in health promotion. However, the questionnaire is poorly designed, no control groups were used, and the resultant data are meaningless [34]. As far as I can tell, the study is just a gimmick to promote sales.

Many Juice Plus+ distributors have been tricked into believing that these studies "prove" that taking Juice Plus+ makes people healthier. Real proof, however, would require that people taking the product have a better specific health outcome (fewer colds, for example) than comparable people who don't take the product. No such study has been published. Even if a study found a better health outcome, it would not make sense to use Juice Plus+ if dietary modification or a less expensive supplement could do the same thing. Experts at the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center have concluded:

While it is true that nutritional supplementation is important in maintaining health in many segments of the population, particularly the elderly, none of the scientific studies undertaken have sought to prove that Juice Plus+® is more effective or more bioavailable than other supplements. In addition, no studies exist to compare the physiologic effects of supplementation with Juice Plus+® and eating whole fresh fruits and vegetables. Juice Plus+® is distributed through a multi-tiered marketing scheme with exaggerated value and cost [35].

Libel Activities

In an attempt to counter my criticisms, some Juice Plus+ distributors have been circulating statements suggesting that my medical license was revoked. I retired from psychiatry in 1993 with my license in good standing and have never been subjected to any regulatory activity. The false claims about my license are part of a vicious libel campaign by people whose activities I have criticized [36].

The Bottom Line

NSA sales aids acknowledge that taking Juice Plus+ is not as good as eating the recommended amounts of grains, fruits, and vegetables. But they also state that everyone should take Juice Plus+, including people whose diets contain adequate amounts of the nutrients in Juice Plus+. NSA's "Preferred Customers" who buy a four-month supply of Juice Plus+ capsules at a time, pay about $480 per year. If every American did this, the total annual cost would exceed $100 billion. Do you think this would be a wise allocation of our national resources?

References

NSA profile. Brochure, March 1997. Company of the month: National Safety Associates, Inc. Money Makers Monthly, Aug 1994. NAS Committee on Diet, Nutrition, and Cancer. Diet, Nutrition, and Cancer. Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1982. USDA Human Nutrition Service: The Food Guide Pyramid:. House and Garden Bulletin No. 252. Washington, D.C., 1992, US Departments of Agriculture and Health and Human Services. Juice Plus+: Letters, Testimonials and Articles. Undated booklet, distributed in 1994. Transcript, cross-examination of Dr. Huizenga, July 18, 1995. Switzer J. Unofficial summary of the Russ Limbaugh Show for Wednesday July 19, 1995. NSA's Guide for New Distributors. Memphis, TN: National Safety Associates, Oct 1997. NSA, Inc. participates in NAD self-regulatory forum. NAD News, April 25, 2005. Santillo H. The Missing Link to Radiant Health. AZ: Holm Press, 1987. Santillo H. NSA Audiotape. Santillo H. Natural Healing with Herbs. Prescott, AZ: Holm Press, 1990. Tyler VE. Book review: Natural Healing with Herbs. Nutrition Forum 8(4):32, 1991. Aetna U.S. Healthcare announces Natural Alternatives Program. Press release, Dec 31, 1998. Natural Alternatives Provider Listing, Accessed April 21, 2000. Current (2006) wording is slightly different. Wise JA, Morin RJ and others. Changes in plasma carotenoid, alpha-tocopherol, and lipid peroxide levels in response to supplementation with concentrated fruit and vegetable extracts: A pilot study. Current Therapeutic Research 57:445-461, 1996. Barrett S. The Rise and Fall of United Sciences of America. Quackwatch, Sept 19, 1999. Barrett S. Health or Hype? A Report on United Sciences of America. New York: American Council on Science and Health, 1987. Natural Alternatives International. Annual 10-K report to the Securities and Exchange Commission. Filed Sept 28, 1999. Page 41 of the report indicated that three companies (NSA, NuSkin International, and Pharmavite were responsible for 16%, 23%, and 32% of NAI's sales during the reporting period. However, the report did not indicate which company was responsible for which number. Rapola JM and others. Randomised trial of alpha-tocopherol and beta-carotene supplements on incidence of major coronary events in men with previous myocardial infraction. Lancet 349:1715-1720, 1997. Omenn GS and others. Effects of a combination of beta carotene and vitamin A on lung cancer and cardiovascular disease. New England Journal of Medicine 334:1150-1155, 1996. Why megadoses of beta carotene may promote lung cancer. USDA Agricultural Research Service Food & Nutrition Research Briefs, Jan 1999, p. 1. Vitamin supplements. The Medical Letter on Drugs and Therapeutics 40:75-77, 1999, DuBois R. Homocysteine, Oxidative Stress, Pathogenesis and Prevention of Disease. NSA Videotape, 1998. NSA, Inc participates in NAD self-regulatory forum. NAD press release, April 25, 2005. Juice Plus+ clinical research. Juice Plus Web site, accessed , January 2006. Inserra PFand others. Immune function in elderly smokers and nonsmokers improves during supplementation with fruit and vegetable extracts. Integrative Medicine 2:3-10, 1999. MJ and others. Supplementation with fruit and vegetable extracts may decrease DNA damage in the peripheral lymphocytes of an elderly population. Nutrition Research 19:1507-1518, 1999. Samman S and others. Supplementation with a mixed fruits and vegetable concentrate increases plasma antioxidant vitamins and lowers plasma homocysteine in men. Journal of Nutrition 133: 2188-193, 2003. Panunzio MF and others. Supplementation with fruit and vegetable concentrate decreases plasma homocysteine levels in a dietary controlled trial. Nutrition Research 23:1221-1228, 2003. Plotnick GD and others. Effect of supplemental phytonutrients on impairment of the flow-mediated brachial artery vasoactivity after a single high-fat meal. Journal of the American College of Cardiology 41:1744-1749, 2003. Juice Plus. Wikipedia Web site, accessed Jan 27, 2008. Juice Plus Children's Research Foundation. IRS Form 990 (Return of organization exempt from income tax), 1999, Downloaded from Guidestar Web site, Feb 28, 2004. Barrett S. Questionable research by the Juice Plus Children's Research Foundation. MLM Watch Web site, January 267, 2008. Juice Plus. About Herbs database, Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center Web site, Aug 23, 2005. Barrett S. A response to Tim Bolen. Quackwatch, updated May 27, 2006.

This article was revised on January 27, 2008.

From: "samsmom6602" <samsmom6602>samters@groups .comSent: Wed, 26 May, 2010 14:03:15Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

The Vineyard Blend Juice Plus is made of all berries. I do not take that or recommend anyone with Samter's Tried take the Vineyard Blend, however I have been taking the Juice Plus Orchard and Garden Blend with no problems at all, and it does have low sal. There is a lot of info on the website. Also, reduces inflammation. If you want more info on the studies you can email me at samsmom6602. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

From: Bannister <beckyb256 (DOT) co.uk>

Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 12:46:17 +0000 (GMT)

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That is my concern, . if we are sticking to a sal-free diet, the only fresh friut we can have are pealed pears and bananas...and while they may be lovely, and can be made into smoothies, it would be hard to eat 7-12 portions/day. I think we can have cabbage too, which can be eaten raw, and onions....I need to remind myself on what we can actually eat on a low/no sal diet, but fruit and veggie wise it is very restricted.. ..and juice-plus must have some salycilates in if it is concentrated fruits veggies and berries.

I read some info on juice plus, and while it sounds great...I am uncertain as to it's benefits for those on low sal diets....Plus the info said the WHO recommends we eat 5-9 portions of fresh fruit/veg a day, which I think is possible, especially on a normal diet I can and do easily manage that.

The latest clinical research shows that most people can improve their chances of living longer, healthier lives by eating more fruits and vegetables. So it's good to know that Juice PLUS+® provides nutrition from 26 different fruits, vegetables and berries in convenient and inexpensive capsule form.

Regards

Becky

From: <soniarobins@ tsn.cc>samters@groups .comSent: Wed, 26 May, 2010 13:37:02Subject: RE: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Unfortunately because of the high content of salicylates in so many fruits and vegetables, I can’t have them nor any fruit/vegetable juices.

From: samsmom6602 [mailto:samsmom6602 @] Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 10:13 PMsamters@groups .comSubject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

If you get 7 - 12 servings of RAW fruits and veggies in your diet per day then you wouldn't need Juice Plus.The American Cancer Society and Heart Association amongst others say that you need 7 - 12 servings RAW fruits and veggies per day to prevent and help treat diseases. The nutrients you find in a variety of fresh fruits and veggies you can't get from anything else. Juice plus is not high in salycilates. Juice Plus helps you get the nutrients you lack from a variety on fruits and veggies. It also backs what it claims with the double blind clinical research studies.

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From: Bannister <beckyb256 (DOT) co.uk>

Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 11:47:22 +0000 (GMT)

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Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Is juiceplus not high in salycilates? And is it not so necessary if ones diet is already high in fruit and veggies?

Regards

Becky

From: "samsmom6602" <samsmom6602>samters@groups .comSent: Wed, 26 May, 2010 12:30:39Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

The Kefir and Good Belly also helped me a lot. I try to stay away from coffee, but I still do have 1 cup in the AM to wake up, and it doesn't seem to bother me. Also, as I have mentioned before the Juice Plus has done wonders for me and my family. There is a lot of information on the clinical research studies and doctors speaking about it you can go to www.jenrjuiceplus. com for more info. Changing you diet and better nutrition really helps in many ways.

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From: Tiana <jonzbyz3 (DOT) com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:19:32 -0700 (PDT)

<samters@groups .com>

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

I do eat alot of raw fruits and veggies. Lot's of smoothies and juicing. I can not tell express how much better I feel. I have not used my rescue inhaler in ages. I have heard lots of good things about Juice Plus. I need to give it a try. I think the Kefir was a critical component to my good health. Glad to hear it is working for you. Tiana

From: "samsmom6602" <samsmom6602>samters@groups .comSent: Tue, May 25, 2010 11:13:42 PMSubject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Tina, I am right with you. I started eating healthier no processed foods or foods with dyes, high fructose syrup etc. It is very important to get a lot of RAW fruits and veggies in your diet too. I stopped all my Asthma Meds incl. Singulair, and all my Nasal Sprays. I only take Vitamin D 1,000, Juice Plus, and fish oil Omega 3. I drink Kefir, Good Belly, and make Juice Plus complete shakes for me and my family. I couldn't take living on all the drugs any longer. Most of the medications have synthetics and chemicals and do more damage to your body then its worth taking. Glad to hear your feeling good.

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From: Tiana <jonzbyz3 (DOT) com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:53:45 -0700 (PDT)

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Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

I have not posted in a long time mostly because I have felt great for several months now. I eat a mostly salicylate free diet (the artificial ones), I have Kefir that I homegrow daily (major probiotic) and I take 2000 IU of D3. I had surgery in Nov. of 2008 and I have no polyp regrowth. I have not taken antibiotics or steroids since before the surgery. If I feel like I may be getting infected I take Barleans olive leaf extract. I have emptied my house of processed food and I only eat real food. Not only do I feel cured my kids did not have one single cold or virus all year. That is a huge improvement from the year before. The most amazing thing to me is that at one point I was on 6 daily meds and now I take zero. Samter's was not my only major problem which has disappeared with healthier eating. My last challenge is to lose the weight that all the steroids packed on. I hope someone else can

benefit from some of these things. Tiana

From: Jane Marino <janesmarino>samters@groups .comSent: Tue, May 25, 2010 7:44:00 PMSubject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

,

What is Oregosen and how much Vitamin D are you taking?

Jane

From: Ansara, (Norbord) <anthony.ansara@ norbord.com>Subject: Re: Probiotics for the sinusessamters@groups .comDate: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:01 AM

Hi everyone,

Antony here, It’s been a while since my last post. I can certainly say I learn more from the group of you then anywhere else and I am very thankful for it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that was full of polyps.(again) It was my 5th one in 12 years. For the last 2 years I have been taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however when my sinus’s flare up, I start taking an oregano based supplement. Three weeks before my surgery I took Manuka Honey 3 times per day to help break down biofilm in the sinus. Here is what I currently take daily;

Vitamin D

Vitamin C

2 capsules of Acidophilus

Fish oil

In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense and Bio-K( Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen when I get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to taking acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it allows for more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the gut.(cheaper as well)

I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2 small polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am still completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS has come back but I’ll take congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my surgery, the first thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally clear and clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize that what I am taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely helps slow the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been fighting them for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15 dime sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab it with my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I believe these supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any benefit.

I hope this helps

[Guest guest]

Hi guys,

A few points to note. I first hear of Manuka honey on

this board. I did some research and found some clinical studies on how it

is very effective at breaking BioFilm. I did not irrigate with it.

As much as I thought about it I could not find any information regarding use

via irrigation. Instead I took it for 4 weeks before my surgery( on toast

or by the tablespoon full). I for one did not care for the taste. This

stuff is very expensive. Your grocery store sells it but it is not the

right kind. They are using the name Manuka but it is not the real

thing. The real thing costs me $35 for a bottle not $5.

I am taking 2000ui of vit –d each day. Not sure

if this is enough. I should have SAID Oregaresp not Oregasen .

Same product but it changed names 3 years ago. Sorry

My ENT is a fantastic doctor. He never has to use

packing after surgery and he tries hard to minimize blood loss. I’ve

been a loyal customer for 12 years and I have went to 2 others who do not come

close. He does not care about any of the alternative solutions that I

have mentioned( and admits that it is because he does not understand the

foundations of natural medicine) but he did mention that he has several patients

that use an oregano based supplements regularly who have mentioned that it has

helped greatly with congestion.

I hope everyone in the USA has a great holiday weekend.

As I am Canadian, my long weekend was last week.

[Guest guest]

Becky, I had the same questions about Juice Plus earlier when samsmom posted about it. Thanks for posting this. JoanOn May 26, 2010, at 7:33 AM, Bannister wrote:

Dear Samsmom, i am genuinely pleased that juice Plus works well for you, and it may help many, but I just want to add this (lengthy) article to help others make a more informed decision as to whether Juice plus is the 'cure-all' for them.

Regards

Becky

Juice Plus: A Critical Look

Barrett, M.D.National Safety Associates (NSA) president Jay likes to turn simple ideas into megamillion-dollar sales. An NSA brochure states by 1997, his company had generated over $3 billion in sales by "developing and introducing innovative new products that are on the leading edge of whole new industries": home fire detectors in the 1970s, water filters in the early 1980s, and air filters in the late 1980s. But its "biggest hit yet," is a line of "natural food-based products designed to help prevent disease." [1] Its flagship product —Juice Plus+®—was introduced in 1993 and hit $6 million per month by the end of its first year [2].The Juice Plus+ recipe for success is very simple: Fruits and vegetables are good for us. Capture their goodness in convenient products. Add endorsements, testimonials, a pinch of fear, a scientific veneer, and several dollops of deception. And harness the power of multilevel marketing (MLM) to spread the word. All of these ingredients have been around for many years. But NSA has developed a winning mix.It is well established that dietary strategies can help prevent certain cancers and reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease. Popularization of the diet-cancer link began during the early 1980s when the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) reported that people who eat lots of whole-grain cereals, fruits, and vegetables have a lower incidence of certain cancers [3]. Since that time, research has shown that emphasizing these foods can also help prevent heart attacks and strokes. These ideas have been quantified in the Food Guide Pyramid System (1992), which recommends 6-11 servings of grain products, 2-4 servings of fruit, and 3-5 servings of vegetables per day, depending on the individual's caloric level [4]. Since it was not known which dietary factors, if any, might be helpful, the NAS report specified that supplementation with individual nutrients was not advisable. Within a few months after the report was issued, however, several products containing

dehydrated vegetables and/or various nutrients were marketed as though the report had supported their use for cancer prevention. Government regulatory actions drove some of the early products from the marketplace, but new studies (particularly of antioxidants), new marketing techniques, and lax federal enforcement have enabled many more to take their place.NSA would like you believe that everyone should take Juice Plus+. This article explains why I disagree.

The Power of MLMMLM is a form of direct sales in which independent distributors can make money not only from their own sales but also from those of the people they recruit. Its roots date back to the 1930s when a California businessman began offering friends a commission for selling a food supplement to their friends. The operation evolved into Nutrilite Products in 1939 and began significant interstate distribution in 1945. In 1959, two highly successful distributors formed a new company that evolved into the multibillion-dollar, international conglomerate now called Amway. Shaklee Corporation, another MLM giant, was founded in 1956 by a retired chiropractor. Since that time, hundreds of other companies and millions of "independent distributors" have joined the fray.Until the mid-1980s, claims made for health-related MLM products were conveyed mainly through direct personal contact in which the salesperson's personal success story (health or financial) played an important role. Since that time, however, many companies have added slick videotapes and audiotapes to spread their story, telephone conferences to train large groups of salespeople, a scientific advisory board to seem more authoritative, company-sponsored research to appear more authentic, and endorsements from prominent persons to lend prestige. Many companies use scare tactics and cite scientific research to suggest that their products will prevent disease. NSA does all of these things effectively.

Testimonials Are not Reliable EvidenceThe "success" of network marketing lies in the enthusiasm of its participants. Most people who think something has helped their health enjoy sharing their success with their friends. Testimonial-givers are usually motivated by a sincere wish to help their fellow humans. Since people tend to believe what others tell them about personal experiences, testimonials can be powerful persuaders. An NSA distributor manual notes that "as people use the product, they begin to build their own Juice Plus+ story to share with others." Although NSA literature states, "We do not make any claims . . . involving the prevention, cure, mitigation of any disease," NSA distributors are circulating statements that Juice Plus+ products have relieved a wide variety of discomforts. In 1994, I even even acquired a 69-page booklet of endorsements and testimonials which stated:

These are some of the benefits found by people taking Juice Plus+. Some noticed these signs after a few days, others after weeks or months. These benefits may not apply to you, but you may want to look out for them: general sense of well-being; more alert; more energy; more regular; better digestion; better appetite; sleep better; need less sleep; wake up easier; wake up earlier, less urge to snack; less craving for sweets; crave fruit, vegetables & salad; weight loss; weight gain (if desired); loss of inches from waist & hips; better skin tone; nails grow stronger and faster; hair grows stronger and faster; look better; clearer eyes; easier to quit smoking; easier to start exercise program; handle stress more easily; better recovery after workout; able to work harder; higher athletic performance; faster recovery from injury; reduced allergies & sinusitis; reduced arthritis pain; fewer headaches; less pain; lower blood pressure; improved

blood sugar [5].Testimonials, of course, should not be regarded as valid evidence. Without well-designed tests, it is usually impossible to tell whether changes that take place after taking a product are the result of the product, a placebo effect, or other factors such the fact that symptoms often change with the passage of time. Nor is it possible to tell whether enthusiastic, financially motivated salespeople accurately report what they experience.The unreliability of testimonials was dramatically illustrated by the case of former football star O.J. Simpson, who was charged with stabbing his wife and her friend Goldman. In March 1994, shortly before these murders took place, he was videotaped telling 4,000 distributors at a sales meeting that Juice Plus+ had cured his arthritis. Testimony in the murder case indicated that he was also taking sulfasalazine, a standard anti-inflammatory drug that could have relieved his symptoms [6]. Subsequently, his defense attorneys presented medical testimony that Simpson was so crippled by arthritis that he could not have committed the murders [7].

What's in Juice Plus+?NSA's Guide for New Distributors, a 94-page loose-leaf manual dated October 1997, stated that 17 foods are juiced to extract their nutritional essence and then reduced to powders using a proprietary process that avoids high temperatures. During the process, sugar, salt, and most of the calories and fiber are removed. "Orchard Blend" capsules are derived from acerola berries, apples, cranberries, oranges, papaya, peaches, and pineapple. "Garden Blend" capsules contain barley, beets, broccoli, cabbage, carrots, kale, oats, parsley, spinach, and tomato. Both products are also said to contain corresponding soluble and insoluble fibers, phytochemical "food actives," vitamins, minerals, and enzymes. Additional fiber and enzymes are added, and the products are encapsulated by a company called Natural Alternatives International [8].Neither the product labels nor the product literature I have seen indicate the quantities of these ingredients in Juice Plus+ capsules. The 1997 manual advised taking Orchard Blend and Garden Blend at separate times because "fruits are digested differently from vegetables and your system can handle them more efficiently if they're dealt with separately." However, Juice Plus+ "Better Bars" combined both concentrates with "real fruits, oats, bran, and a host of other natural ingredients." NSA has also marketed a meal-replacement drink, Juice Plus+® Lite, each serving of which provided 110 calories, 4 grams of dietary fiber, and significant amounts of 12 vitamins and a few minerals. The current (2006) products include a chewable pill for children, JP+ Gummies® (said to be a healthy alternative to candies), and Juice Plus Thins®, said to be a snack "specially designed and formulated to help curb your appetite." The Juice Plus+ Web

site contains no data showing that taking the product helps curb appetite. NSA stresses that government guidelines recommend eating 5-9 servings of fruits and vegetables per day. However, it fails to put this recommendation into proper perspective. The primary purpose is not to ensure adequate vitamin intake (which is achieved with fewer servings) but to (a) get adequate fiber intake and ( create a dietary mix that is low to moderate in fat. Juice Plus+ provides the nutrients in fruits and vegetables, but includes far more beta-carotene than most experts would recommend. In addition, it lacks the fiber and people who think it substitutes for fruits and vegetables might wind up with a higher dietary fat content.In 2005, the National Advertising Division of the Council of Better Business Bureaus advised NSA to modify certain advertising claims to avoid the implication that Juice Plus+ Gummies®, are an alternative for, or nutritionally comparable to fruits and vegetables [9].

Peculiar ClaimsPages 41 and 42 of the 1997 manual suggested that each food source offered a special health benefit. Apples, for example, were said to "contain boron a trace mineral that affects the electrical activity of the brain, increasing mental alertness." Oranges are said to "contain every class of cancer inhibitor known." Acerola cherries were "a source of vitamin C, known to relieve symptoms of osteoarthritis." Carrots were said to lower cholesterol, parsley to be "good for the heart and immune system," kale to be a "powerful cancer fighter," and cabbage was "thought to block breast cancer." Even if these claims were true, there is no reason to conclude that taking Juice Plus+ capsules could provide the same benefit.Page 43 stated, "The food enzymes in Juice Plus will facilitate digestion of your food, making it more usable to your body. This also conserves the body's own enzyme supply to do other important things like fighting off disease." This statement is false because: (a) most people have enough enzymes in their intestinal tract to digest their food; ( most of the enzymes in food are destroyed during digestion; and © the body's production of metabolic enzymes does not depend upon the amounts of enzymes in the digestive tract.Such enzymatic nonsense reflects the ideas of Humbart "Smokey" Santillo, author of Food Enzymes: The Missing Link to Radiant Health [10], to whom NSA attributes the Juice Plus+ concept. Santillo's credentials include a bachelor of science degree from Edinboro State Teacher's College; a doctor of naturopathy degree from a nonaccredited correspondence school (the Anglo-American Institute of Drugless Therapy), an iridology "certificate of merit," a master herbalist certificate from the herbalist 's School of Natural Healing, and eight years of study at the Concept Therapy Institute (which teaches a biotheistic chiropractic technique). One of NSA's audiotapes featured Santillo claiming that whole fruits and vegetables should not be eaten closely together as foods but are safely combined but in Juice Plus+. He also claimed that Juice Plus+ Lite helped people manage their weight because. "It has so much food value

and is so easy to digest. Once they start absorbing all that food, they just don't have the same hunger . . . and lose weight automatically." [11]Santillo's basic concepts of health, disease, and treatment include a hodgepodge of naturopathy and traditional Chinese medicine. His book Natural Healing with Herbs, spouts the naturopathic dogma that most diseases are "really the result of an overtaxed eliminative system" and that "by using a cleansing diet and short fasts, cleaning the colon by using enemas, aiding eliminative processes and purifying the blood through the proper choice of herbs, and by other methods," disease can be quickly cleared up by "clearing the underlying toxic state." [12:3] But he also states that "diseases can be classified as either hot or cold, yin or yang, excess or deficient, internal or external." [12:5]. Varro E. Tyler, Ph.D., a world-renowned herbal authority who was professor of pharmacognosy at Purdue University, concluded that the book was riddled with errors and is a "nearly perfect example" of irrational advice about herbs [13].

The Aetna U.S. Health Care "Endorsement"In 1998, Aetna U.S. Health Care (the largest HMO) began offering a "Natural Alternatives Program," under which subscribers can obtain discounts of 20% or more for various products and services [14]. Several Juice Plus+ distributors have notified me that Aetna U.S. Health Care was "recommending" Juice Plus+ under this program. However, the site describing the program stated otherwise:

Natural Alternatives is a discount pass-through program. . . . Participating Natural Alternatives providers and vendors are solely responsible for the products and services they provide. Providers or vendors offering discounts under Natural Alternatives may not have been credentialed or reviewed by Aetna U.S. Healthcare. By making these discounts available, Aetna U.S. Healthcare does NOT endorse these providers or vendors or their services or make any guarantee as to availability or quality of providers or discounts under this program. Aetna U.S. Healthcare gives no warranty, expressed or implied, as to description, quality, merchantability, fitness for any particular purpose, or any other matter for any product or service purchased by you using a Natural Alternatives discount [15].

The Scientific VeneerJuice Plus+ promoters also claim there is scientific proof that Juice Plus+ is good for people's health. NSA's most powerful sales aids are tape-recordings by DuBois, M.D., a board certified internist who is described as "one of the world's leading authorities on infectious disease." Citing scientific studies, DuBois correctly notes that:

Considerable research shows that diets high in grains, fruits, and vegetables are associated with lower rates of certain cancers, cardiovascular disease, and several other types of degenerative disease Many Americans do not eat the recommended number of servings Epidemiologic studies have found that these diseases are associated with low blood levels of certain phytonutrients An NSA-sponsored study of 15 healthy individuals found that supplementation with Juice Plus+ for 28 days raised the blood levels of five phytonutrients: beta-carotene, alpha carotene, lutein/zeaxanthin, lycopene, and vitamin E. The study found, for example, that beta-carotene levels were five times as high and lycopene levels were 20 times as high [16]. To further support his argument, DuBois correctly describes how clinical trials have found that supplementation with individual nutrients sometimes does more harm than good. But he then asserts that the Juice Plus+ nutrients are safe and more effective, because the phytonutrient content of plants is "balanced." Based on all of the above assumptions, he concludes that everyone should take Juice Plus+.The above reasoning is not valid. Nearly all of the evidence relating disease rates to dietary composition is epidemiologic. Epidemiologic studies do not prove cause and effect. And even if causal connections are established, they do not prove that dietary supplements will remedy a poor diet or that Juice Plus+ is an optimal supplement. (In fact, it is not likely to be optimal because it lacks vitamin B12 and most of the minerals included in full-spectrum multivitamin/multimineral pills.) Nor is there any logical reason to conclude that Juice Plus is "balanced" simply because its ingredients were extracted from foods. Only well-designed, long-term clinical trials can determine whether taking Juice Plus+ or any other pill or potion can actually prevent disease.But that's not all. Much of the protective effect of fruits and vegetables is due to their fiber content. Juice Plus+ pills have nearly all the fiber removed. Moreover, eating the recommended portions of grains, fruits, and vegetables does not merely provide high levels of phytochemicals. It usually means that the overall diet is low or moderate in fat. Nobody knows whether adding a product like Juice Plus+ to a high-fat or low-fiber diet would provide much benefit. The bottom line is that if someone's diet is low in fruits, vegetables, or grains, the most prudent action is fix the diet.Curiously, in 1986, two authors of NSA's phytonutrient study were associated with United Sciences of America (USA), a multilevel company that sold supplements with illegal claims that they could prevent many diseases. Lead author A. Wise, Ph.D., was USA's vice president of science and data information; and second author J. Morin, M.D., was a scientific advisor who helped design the products. State and federal enforcement actions drove the company out of business in 1987 [17]. USA's main product was its Master Formula, which included large amounts of beta-carotene and vitamin E [18]. Today, Wise is vice president, science and technology and is a stockholder of Natural Alternatives International (NAI), of San Marcos, California, which manufacturers the Juice Plus+

products. NSA was responsible for at least 16% of NAI's sales during the year ending June 30, 1999 [19].Even more curiously, DuBois himself has cast doubt on his claim that Juice Plus+ provides "balanced nutrition." In the 1998 NSA videotape, "Homocysteine, Oxidative Stress, Pathogenesis and Prevention of Disease," he states extra carotenoids are stored in the skin and that his own skin has turned orange from the pills. Beta-carotene supplements have been associated with increased cancer rates in two large clinical studies [20,21] and have been found to increase precancerous changes in ferrets exposed to cigarette smoke [22]. The highly respected Medical Letter on Drugs and Therapeutics—a peer-reviewed newsletter for physicians—has concluded that "no one should take beta-carotene supplements." [23] But rather than noting the risk, DuBois claims that "When you turn orange, you have neutralized your oxidative stress" (a purported measure of harmful free-radical activity) and therefore reduced your odds of getting certain diseases. He even

describes how his patients say, "I want to look like you. I want that carotenoid gloss." [24] How can he possibly know that years of living with orange skin will do more good than harm?NSA has also used testimonials from pediatrician Sears, M.D, and others to promote Juice Plus+ Gummies as low in sugar and a nutritional alternative to fruits and vegetables. In 2005, after the Better Business Bureau's National Advertising Division concluded that the ads were misleading, the company promised to stop saying that Gummies contain "less sugar" than a can of soda and are “the next best thing to fruits and vegetables.” [25]

The Research VeneerSeveral studies sponsored by Juice Plus+ have been completed and many more are underway [26]. The published studies include:

One study showed that taking Juice Plus+ increased a few markers of immune activity [27]. Another study concluded that giving Juice Plus+ to healthy men and women helped protect DNA from oxidative as measured in the the nuclei of white blood cells [28]. However, neither of these studies involved measurement of health outcome. Two studies have found that taking Juice Plus+ decreased the blood level of homocysteine [29,30], a substance thought to contribute to coronary artery disease. The results of these studies were predictable because Juice Plus+ contains folic acid, which is known to reduce homocysteine levels. However, people concerned about homocysteine levels should begin by having them measured and then, under medical supervision, use folic acid, vitamin B12, and/or vitamin B6 to reach the desired levels. Using Juice Plus+ for this purpose would be silly because the standard regimen would cost less than $2 per month and would be more effective for people who need B12 to achieve the desired levels. Another study [31] found that Juice Plus+ reduced the adverse effect of a high-fat meal on the functioning of a wrist artery. Many studies have shown similar effects with supplementation with antioxidant supplements, but whether this has practical value is not known and the effect can be achieved with very inexpensive products. A Wikipedia report examines whether the research findings support claims that Juice Plus+ (a) reduces oxidative stress, ( promotes cardiovascular wellness, © supports a healthy immune system, and (d) helps protect DNA. In January 2008, the report concluded that "multiple studies of varying standards have produced conflicting results as to the truth of these claims." [32] In 1999, NSA launched the Juice Plus+® Children's Health Study, which it described as a large, multi-year health survey that would help determine whether adding Juice Plus+® fruit and vegetable supplements to the family diet can affect the health and well-being of children ages 6 to 15. In the study, each child participant is paired with an adult participant, usually a parent. The children under 12 are given products free or charge, but payment is required for the other participants. Completed questionnaires are tabulated by the Juice Plus Children's Research Foundation, which was set up to support programs that "advance the principle that improved nutrition leads to healthier lifestyle and overall better health in children." [33]. The "preliminary report"—said to have been based on the first 25,000 responses—contains many claims that the regimen led

to improvements in the child's health status and interest in health promotion. However, the questionnaire is poorly designed, no control groups were used, and the resultant data are meaningless [34]. As far as I can tell, the study is just a gimmick to promote sales.Many Juice Plus+ distributors have been tricked into believing that these studies "prove" that taking Juice Plus+ makes people healthier. Real proof, however, would require that people taking the product have a better specific health outcome (fewer colds, for example) than comparable people who don't take the product. No such study has been published. Even if a study found a better health outcome, it would not make sense to use Juice Plus+ if dietary modification or a less expensive supplement could do the same thing. Experts at the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center have concluded:

While it is true that nutritional supplementation is important in maintaining health in many segments of the population, particularly the elderly, none of the scientific studies undertaken have sought to prove that Juice Plus+® is more effective or more bioavailable than other supplements. In addition, no studies exist to compare the physiologic effects of supplementation with Juice Plus+® and eating whole fresh fruits and vegetables. Juice Plus+® is distributed through a multi-tiered marketing scheme with exaggerated value and cost [35].

Libel Activities

In an attempt to counter my criticisms, some Juice Plus+ distributors have been circulating statements suggesting that my medical license was revoked. I retired from psychiatry in 1993 with my license in good standing and have never been subjected to any regulatory activity. The false claims about my license are part of a vicious libel campaign by people whose activities I have criticized [36].

The Bottom LineNSA sales aids acknowledge that taking Juice Plus+ is not as good as eating the recommended amounts of grains, fruits, and vegetables. But they also state that everyone should take Juice Plus+, including people whose diets contain adequate amounts of the nutrients in Juice Plus+. NSA's "Preferred Customers" who buy a four-month supply of Juice Plus+ capsules at a time, pay about $480 per year. If every American did this, the total annual cost would exceed $100 billion. Do you think this would be a wise allocation of our national resources?

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From: "samsmom6602 " <samsmom6602 >samters Sent: Wed, 26 May, 2010 14:03:15Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses The Vineyard Blend Juice Plus is made of all berries. I do not take that or recommend anyone with Samter's Tried take the Vineyard Blend, however I have been taking the Juice Plus Orchard and Garden Blend with no problems at all, and it does have low sal. There is a lot of info on the website. Also, reduces inflammation. If you want more info on the studies you can email me at samsmom6602. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

From: Bannister <beckyb256 (DOT) co.uk>

Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 12:46:17 +0000 (GMT)

<samters@groups .com>

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

That is my concern, . if we are sticking to a sal-free diet, the only fresh friut we can have are pealed pears and bananas...and while they may be lovely, and can be made into smoothies, it would be hard to eat 7-12 portions/day. I think we can have cabbage too, which can be eaten raw, and onions....I need to remind myself on what we can actually eat on a low/no sal diet, but fruit and veggie wise it is very restricted.. ..and juice-plus must have some salycilates in if it is concentrated fruits veggies and berries.

I read some info on juice plus, and while it sounds great...I am uncertain as to it's benefits for those on low sal diets....Plus the info said the WHO recommends we eat 5-9 portions of fresh fruit/veg a day, which I think is possible, especially on a normal diet I can and do easily manage that.

The latest clinical research shows that most people can improve their chances of living longer, healthier lives by eating more fruits and vegetables. So it's good to know that Juice PLUS+® provides nutrition from 26 different fruits, vegetables and berries in convenient and inexpensive capsule form. RegardsBecky

From: <soniarobins@ tsn.cc>samters@groups .comSent: Wed, 26 May, 2010 13:37:02Subject: RE: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Unfortunately because of the high content of salicylates in so many fruits and vegetables, I can’t have them nor any fruit/vegetable juices.

From: samsmom6602 [mailto:samsmom6602 @] Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 10:13 PMsamters@groups .comSubject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

If you get 7 - 12 servings of RAW fruits and veggies in your diet per day then you wouldn't need Juice Plus.The American Cancer Society and Heart Association amongst others say that you need 7 - 12 servings RAW fruits and veggies per day to prevent and help treat diseases. The nutrients you find in a variety of fresh fruits and veggies you can't get from anything else. Juice plus is not high in salycilates. Juice Plus helps you get the nutrients you lack from a variety on fruits and veggies. It also backs what it claims with the double blind clinical research studies. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

From: Bannister <beckyb256 (DOT) co.uk>

Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 11:47:22 +0000 (GMT)

<samters@groups .com>

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Is juiceplus not high in salycilates? And is it not so necessary if ones diet is already high in fruit and veggies?

Regards

Becky

From: "samsmom6602" <samsmom6602>samters@groups .comSent: Wed, 26 May, 2010 12:30:39Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

The Kefir and Good Belly also helped me a lot. I try to stay away from coffee, but I still do have 1 cup in the AM to wake up, and it doesn't seem to bother me. Also, as I have mentioned before the Juice Plus has done wonders for me and my family. There is a lot of information on the clinical research studies and doctors speaking about it you can go to www.jenrjuiceplus. com for more info. Changing you diet and better nutrition really helps in many ways. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

From: Tiana <jonzbyz3 (DOT) com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:19:32 -0700 (PDT)

<samters@groups .com>

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

I do eat alot of raw fruits and veggies. Lot's of smoothies and juicing. I can not tell express how much better I feel. I have not used my rescue inhaler in ages. I have heard lots of good things about Juice Plus. I need to give it a try. I think the Kefir was a critical component to my good health. Glad to hear it is working for you. Tiana

From: "samsmom6602" <samsmom6602>samters@groups .comSent: Tue, May 25, 2010 11:13:42 PMSubject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Tina, I am right with you. I started eating healthier no processed foods or foods with dyes, high fructose syrup etc. It is very important to get a lot of RAW fruits and veggies in your diet too. I stopped all my Asthma Meds incl. Singulair, and all my Nasal Sprays. I only take Vitamin D 1,000, Juice Plus, and fish oil Omega 3. I drink Kefir, Good Belly, and make Juice Plus complete shakes for me and my family. I couldn't take living on all the drugs any longer. Most of the medications have synthetics and chemicals and do more damage to your body then its worth taking. Glad to hear your feeling good. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

From: Tiana <jonzbyz3 (DOT) com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:53:45 -0700 (PDT)

<samters@groups .com>

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

I have not posted in a long time mostly because I have felt great for several months now. I eat a mostly salicylate free diet (the artificial ones), I have Kefir that I homegrow daily (major probiotic) and I take 2000 IU of D3. I had surgery in Nov. of 2008 and I have no polyp regrowth. I have not taken antibiotics or steroids since before the surgery. If I feel like I may be getting infected I take Barleans olive leaf extract. I have emptied my house of processed food and I only eat real food. Not only do I feel cured my kids did not have one single cold or virus all year. That is a huge improvement from the year before. The most amazing thing to me is that at one point I was on 6 daily meds and now I take zero. Samter's was not my only major problem which has disappeared with healthier eating. My last challenge is to lose the weight that all the steroids packed on. I hope someone else can

benefit from some of these things. Tiana

From: Jane Marino <janesmarino>samters@groups .comSent: Tue, May 25, 2010 7:44:00 PMSubject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

,

What is Oregosen and how much Vitamin D are you taking?

Jane

From: Ansara, (Norbord) <anthony.ansara@ norbord.com>Subject: Re: Probiotics for the sinusessamters@groups .comDate: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:01 AM

Hi everyone, Antony here, It’s been a while since my last post. I can certainly say I learn more from the group of you then anywhere else and I am very thankful for it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that was full of polyps.(again) It was my 5th one in 12 years. For the last 2 years I have been taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however when my sinus’s flare up, I start taking an oregano based supplement. Three weeks before my surgery I took Manuka Honey 3 times per day to help break down biofilm in the sinus. Here is what I currently take daily; Vitamin D Vitamin C 2 capsules of Acidophilus Fish oil In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense and Bio-K( Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen when I get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to taking acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it allows for more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the gut.(cheaper as well) I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2 small polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am still completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS has come back but I’ll take congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my surgery, the first thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally clear and clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize that what I am taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely helps slow the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been fighting them for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15 dime sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab it with my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I believe these supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any benefit. I hope this helps

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately berries and tomatoes are also on the ‘naughty list’

for me as they contain salicylates. Bananas and pears do get very tedious after

a while but there’s not a lot you can do about it.

From: Tiana

[mailto:jonzbyz3@...]

Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:23 PM

samters

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Eating all real food and

avoiding all the processed colors and flavors, drinking the Kefir and taking

the vitamin D I can eat fruits and vegatables that have salicylates. I

could not when I first started but now I can eat berries and tomatoes whatever

with no problems. I think you have to do all of these things long enough to let

your body heal itself. That is why in my first post I put that I am Sal free

and then added artificial. I eat whatever fruits and veggies that I want. I

also avoid coffee.

From: " samsmom6602@... "

<samsmom6602@...>

samters

Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 8:03:15 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

The Vineyard Blend Juice Plus is made of all berries. I do not take that or

recommend anyone with Samter's Tried take the Vineyard Blend, however I have

been taking the Juice Plus Orchard and Garden Blend with no problems at all,

and it does have low sal. There is a lot of info on the website. Also, reduces

inflammation. If you want more info on the studies you can email me at

samsmom6602.

Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

From: Bannister <beckyb256 (DOT)

co.uk>

Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 12:46:17 +0000 (GMT)

<samters@groups .com>

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

That is my concern, . if we are sticking to a sal-free

diet, the only fresh friut we can have are pealed pears and bananas...and while

they may be lovely, and can be made into smoothies, it would be hard to eat

7-12 portions/day. I think we can have cabbage too, which can be eaten raw, and

onions....I need to remind myself on what we can actually eat on a low/no sal

diet, but fruit and veggie wise it is very restricted.. ..and juice-plus must

have some salycilates in if it is concentrated fruits veggies and berries.

I read some info on juice plus, and while it sounds

great...I am uncertain as to it's benefits for those on low sal diets....Plus

the info said the WHO recommends we eat 5-9 portions of fresh fruit/veg a day,

which I think is possible, especially on a normal diet I can and do easily

manage that.

The latest clinical

research shows that most people can improve their chances of living longer,

healthier lives by eating more fruits and vegetables. So it's good to know that Juice PLUS+®

provides nutrition from 26 different fruits, vegetables and berries in

convenient and inexpensive capsule form.

Regards

Becky

From:

<soniarobins@ tsn.cc>

samters@groups .com

Sent: Wed, 26 May, 2010 13:37:02

Subject: RE: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Unfortunately because of the high

content of salicylates in so many fruits and vegetables, I can’t have them nor

any fruit/vegetable juices.

From:

samsmom6602 [mailto:samsmom6602 @]

Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 10:13 PM

samters@groups .com

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

If you get 7 - 12 servings of RAW fruits and veggies in your diet per day

then you wouldn't need Juice Plus.

The American Cancer Society and Heart Association amongst others say that you

need 7 - 12 servings RAW fruits and veggies per day to prevent and help treat

diseases. The nutrients you find in a variety of fresh fruits and veggies you

can't get from anything else. Juice plus is not high in salycilates. Juice Plus

helps you get the nutrients you lack from a variety on fruits and veggies. It

also backs what it claims with the double blind clinical research studies.

Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

From:

Bannister <beckyb256 (DOT) co.uk>

Date:

Wed, 26 May 2010 11:47:22 +0000 (GMT)

To:

<samters@groups .com>

Subject:

Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Is

juiceplus not high in salycilates? And is it not so necessary if ones diet is

already high in fruit and veggies?

Regards

Becky

From:

" samsmom6602 " <samsmom6602>

samters@groups .com

Sent: Wed, 26 May, 2010 12:30:39

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

The Kefir and Good Belly also helped me a lot. I try to stay away from

coffee, but I still do have 1 cup in the AM to wake up, and it doesn't seem to

bother me. Also, as I have mentioned before the Juice Plus has done wonders for

me and my family. There is a lot of information on the clinical research studies

and doctors speaking about it you can go to www.jenrjuiceplus. com for more

info.

Changing you diet and better nutrition really helps in many ways.

Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

From:

Tiana <jonzbyz3 (DOT) com>

Date:

Tue, 25 May 2010 21:19:32 -0700 (PDT)

To:

<samters@groups .com>

Subject:

Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

I do eat alot of raw fruits and veggies. Lot's of

smoothies and juicing. I can not tell express how much better I feel. I have

not used my rescue inhaler in ages. I have heard lots of good things

about Juice Plus. I need to give it a try. I think the Kefir was a

critical component to my good health. Glad to hear it is working for you.

Tiana

From:

" samsmom6602 " <samsmom6602>

samters@groups .com

Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 11:13:42 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Tina,

I am right with you. I started eating healthier no processed foods or foods

with dyes, high fructose syrup etc. It is very important to get a lot of RAW

fruits and veggies in your diet too. I stopped all my Asthma Meds incl.

Singulair, and all my Nasal Sprays. I only take Vitamin D 1,000, Juice Plus,

and fish oil Omega 3. I drink Kefir, Good Belly, and make Juice Plus complete

shakes for me and my family.

I couldn't take living on all the drugs any longer. Most of the medications

have synthetics and chemicals and do more damage to your body then its worth

taking.

Glad to hear your feeling good.

Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

From:

Tiana <jonzbyz3 (DOT) com>

Date:

Tue, 25 May 2010 20:53:45 -0700 (PDT)

To:

<samters@groups .com>

Subject:

Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

I have not posted in a long time mostly because I have

felt great for several months now. I eat a mostly salicylate free diet (the

artificial ones), I have Kefir that I homegrow daily (major probiotic) and I

take 2000 IU of D3. I had surgery in Nov. of 2008 and I have no polyp regrowth.

I have not taken antibiotics or steroids since before the surgery. If I feel

like I may be getting infected I take Barleans olive leaf extract. I have

emptied my house of processed food and I only eat real food. Not only do I feel

cured my kids did not have one single cold or virus all year. That is a huge

improvement from the year before. The most amazing thing to me is that at one

point I was on 6 daily meds and now I take zero. Samter's was not my only

major problem which has disappeared with healthier eating. My last challenge is

to lose the weight that all the steroids packed on. I hope someone else

can benefit from some of these things. Tiana

From: Jane

Marino <janesmarino>

samters@groups .com

Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 7:44:00 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

,

What

is Oregosen and how much Vitamin D are you taking?

Jane

From: Ansara, (Norbord) <anthony.ansara@ norbord.com>

Subject: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

samters@groups .com

Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:01 AM

Hi everyone,

Antony here, It’s been a while since my last

post. I can certainly say I learn more from the group of you then

anywhere else and I am very thankful for it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to

clean out my sinus that was full of polyps.(again) It was my 5th

one in 12 years. For the last 2 years I have been taking daily

acidophilus and fish oils however when my sinus’s flare up, I start taking an

oregano based supplement. Three weeks before my surgery I took Manuka

Honey 3 times per day to help break down biofilm in the sinus.

Here is what I currently take daily;

Vitamin D

Vitamin C

2 capsules of Acidophilus

Fish oil

In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal

Defense and Bio-K( Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal

Defense and Oregosen when I get congestion and sinus infections however I

have started to taking acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has

told me it allows for more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the

gut.(cheaper as well)

I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with

the exception of 2 small polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to

cut out, I am still completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS has come

back but I’ll take congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my

surgery, the first thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally

clear and clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize

that what I am taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely

helps slow the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been

fighting them for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15

dime sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab

it with my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I

believe these supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any

benefit.

I hope this helps

[Guest guest]

I know ..and I was on a very strict low sal diet for almost 9 months, about 8 years ago, and I never became able to eat any food on the 'naughty list' - maybe my body didn't have long enough to heal, so i became used to them If i had any of the high salycilate foods i would react...i actualy became 'hypersensitised' to them.

Becky

From: <soniarobins@...>samters Sent: Wed, 26 May, 2010 22:19:48Subject: RE: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Unfortunately berries and tomatoes are also on the ‘naughty list’ for me as they contain salicylates. Bananas and pears do get very tedious after a while but there’s not a lot you can do about it.

From: Tiana [mailto:jonzbyz3] Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:23 PMsamters@groups .comSubject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Eating all real food and avoiding all the processed colors and flavors, drinking the Kefir and taking the vitamin D I can eat fruits and vegatables that have salicylates. I could not when I first started but now I can eat berries and tomatoes whatever with no problems. I think you have to do all of these things long enough to let your body heal itself. That is why in my first post I put that I am Sal free and then added artificial. I eat whatever fruits and veggies that I want. I also avoid coffee.

From: "samsmom6602" <samsmom6602>samters@groups .comSent: Wed, May 26, 2010 8:03:15 AMSubject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

The Vineyard Blend Juice Plus is made of all berries. I do not take that or recommend anyone with Samter's Tried take the Vineyard Blend, however I have been taking the Juice Plus Orchard and Garden Blend with no problems at all, and it does have low sal. There is a lot of info on the website. Also, reduces inflammation. If you want more info on the studies you can email me at samsmom6602.

Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

From: Bannister <beckyb256 (DOT) co.uk>

Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 12:46:17 +0000 (GMT)

<samters@groups .com>

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

That is my concern, . if we are sticking to a sal-free diet, the only fresh friut we can have are pealed pears and bananas...and while they may be lovely, and can be made into smoothies, it would be hard to eat 7-12 portions/day. I think we can have cabbage too, which can be eaten raw, and onions....I need to remind myself on what we can actually eat on a low/no sal diet, but fruit and veggie wise it is very restricted.. ..and juice-plus must have some salycilates in if it is concentrated fruits veggies and berries.

I read some info on juice plus, and while it sounds great...I am uncertain as to it's benefits for those on low sal diets....Plus the info said the WHO recommends we eat 5-9 portions of fresh fruit/veg a day, which I think is possible, especially on a normal diet I can and do easily manage that.

The latest clinical research shows that most people can improve their chances of living longer, healthier lives by eating more fruits and vegetables. So it's good to know that Juice PLUS+® provides nutrition from 26 different fruits, vegetables and berries in convenient and inexpensive capsule form.

Regards

Becky

From: <soniarobins@ tsn.cc>samters@groups .comSent: Wed, 26 May, 2010 13:37:02Subject: RE: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Unfortunately because of the high content of salicylates in so many fruits and vegetables, I can’t have them nor any fruit/vegetable juices.

From: samsmom6602 [mailto:samsmom6602 @] Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 10:13 PMsamters@groups .comSubject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

If you get 7 - 12 servings of RAW fruits and veggies in your diet per day then you wouldn't need Juice Plus.The American Cancer Society and Heart Association amongst others say that you need 7 - 12 servings RAW fruits and veggies per day to prevent and help treat diseases. The nutrients you find in a variety of fresh fruits and veggies you can't get from anything else. Juice plus is not high in salycilates. Juice Plus helps you get the nutrients you lack from a variety on fruits and veggies. It also backs what it claims with the double blind clinical research studies.

Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

From: Bannister <beckyb256 (DOT) co.uk>

Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 11:47:22 +0000 (GMT)

<samters@groups .com>

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Is juiceplus not high in salycilates? And is it not so necessary if ones diet is already high in fruit and veggies?

Regards

Becky

From: "samsmom6602" <samsmom6602>samters@groups .comSent: Wed, 26 May, 2010 12:30:39Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

The Kefir and Good Belly also helped me a lot. I try to stay away from coffee, but I still do have 1 cup in the AM to wake up, and it doesn't seem to bother me. Also, as I have mentioned before the Juice Plus has done wonders for me and my family. There is a lot of information on the clinical research studies and doctors speaking about it you can go to www.jenrjuiceplus. com for more info. Changing you diet and better nutrition really helps in many ways.

Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

From: Tiana <jonzbyz3 (DOT) com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:19:32 -0700 (PDT)

<samters@groups .com>

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

I do eat alot of raw fruits and veggies. Lot's of smoothies and juicing. I can not tell express how much better I feel. I have not used my rescue inhaler in ages. I have heard lots of good things about Juice Plus. I need to give it a try. I think the Kefir was a critical component to my good health. Glad to hear it is working for you. Tiana

From: "samsmom6602" <samsmom6602>samters@groups .comSent: Tue, May 25, 2010 11:13:42 PMSubject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Tina, I am right with you. I started eating healthier no processed foods or foods with dyes, high fructose syrup etc. It is very important to get a lot of RAW fruits and veggies in your diet too. I stopped all my Asthma Meds incl. Singulair, and all my Nasal Sprays. I only take Vitamin D 1,000, Juice Plus, and fish oil Omega 3. I drink Kefir, Good Belly, and make Juice Plus complete shakes for me and my family. I couldn't take living on all the drugs any longer. Most of the medications have synthetics and chemicals and do more damage to your body then its worth taking. Glad to hear your feeling good.

Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

From: Tiana <jonzbyz3 (DOT) com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:53:45 -0700 (PDT)

<samters@groups .com>

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

I have not posted in a long time mostly because I have felt great for several months now. I eat a mostly salicylate free diet (the artificial ones), I have Kefir that I homegrow daily (major probiotic) and I take 2000 IU of D3. I had surgery in Nov. of 2008 and I have no polyp regrowth. I have not taken antibiotics or steroids since before the surgery. If I feel like I may be getting infected I take Barleans olive leaf extract. I have emptied my house of processed food and I only eat real food. Not only do I feel cured my kids did not have one single cold or virus all year. That is a huge improvement from the year before. The most amazing thing to me is that at one point I was on 6 daily meds and now I take zero. Samter's was not my only major problem which has disappeared with healthier eating. My last challenge is to lose the weight that all the steroids packed on. I hope someone else can

benefit from some of these things. Tiana

From: Jane Marino <janesmarino>samters@groups .comSent: Tue, May 25, 2010 7:44:00 PMSubject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

,

What is Oregosen and how much Vitamin D are you taking?

Jane

From: Ansara, (Norbord) <anthony.ansara@ norbord.com>Subject: Re: Probiotics for the sinusessamters@groups .comDate: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:01 AM

Hi everyone,

Antony here, It’s been a while since my last post. I can certainly say I learn more from the group of you then anywhere else and I am very thankful for it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that was full of polyps.(again) It was my 5th one in 12 years. For the last 2 years I have been taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however when my sinus’s flare up, I start taking an oregano based supplement. Three weeks before my surgery I took Manuka Honey 3 times per day to help break down biofilm in the sinus. Here is what I currently take daily;

Vitamin D

Vitamin C

2 capsules of Acidophilus

Fish oil

In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense and Bio-K( Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen when I get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to taking acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it allows for more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the gut.(cheaper as well)

I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2 small polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am still completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS has come back but I’ll take congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my surgery, the first thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally clear and clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize that what I am taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely helps slow the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been fighting them for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15 dime sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab it with my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I believe these supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any benefit.

I hope this helps

[Guest guest]

Becky you deserve a medal for staying on that diet for so long,

I’m complaining after just two weeks.  The worst thing is I have a huge crop of

passionfruit just ripened along with a lot of citrus fruit on the trees. It’s

heart breaking!

From: Bannister

[mailto:beckyb256@...]

Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 7:34 AM

samters

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

I know ..and I was on a very strict low sal diet for

almost 9 months, about 8 years ago, and I never became able to eat any

food on the 'naughty list' - maybe my body didn't have long enough to heal, so

i became used to them If i had any of the high salycilate foods i

would react...i actualy became 'hypersensitised' to them.

Becky

From:

<soniarobins@...>

samters

Sent: Wed, 26 May, 2010 22:19:48

Subject: RE: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Unfortunately berries and tomatoes are

also on the ‘naughty list’ for me as they contain salicylates. Bananas and

pears do get very tedious after a while but there’s not a lot you can do about

it.

From: Tiana

[mailto:jonzbyz3]

Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:23 PM

samters@groups .com

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Eating all real food and avoiding all the processed

colors and flavors, drinking the Kefir and taking the vitamin D I can eat

fruits and vegatables that have salicylates. I could not when I first started

but now I can eat berries and tomatoes whatever with no problems. I think you

have to do all of these things long enough to let your body heal itself. That

is why in my first post I put that I am Sal free and then added artificial. I

eat whatever fruits and veggies that I want. I also avoid coffee.

From:

" samsmom6602 " <samsmom6602>

samters@groups .com

Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 8:03:15 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

The Vineyard Blend Juice Plus is made of all berries. I do not take that or

recommend anyone with Samter's Tried take the Vineyard Blend, however I have

been taking the Juice Plus Orchard and Garden Blend with no problems at all,

and it does have low sal. There is a lot of info on the website. Also, reduces

inflammation. If you want more info on the studies you can email me at

samsmom6602.

Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

From:

Bannister <beckyb256 (DOT) co.uk>

Date:

Wed, 26 May 2010 12:46:17 +0000 (GMT)

To:

<samters@groups .com>

Subject:

Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

That

is my concern, . if we are sticking to a sal-free diet, the only fresh

friut we can have are pealed pears and bananas...and while they may be lovely,

and can be made into smoothies, it would be hard to eat 7-12 portions/day. I

think we can have cabbage too, which can be eaten raw, and onions....I need to

remind myself on what we can actually eat on a low/no sal diet, but fruit and

veggie wise it is very restricted.. ..and juice-plus must have some salycilates

in if it is concentrated fruits veggies and berries.

I

read some info on juice plus, and while it sounds great...I am uncertain as to

it's benefits for those on low sal diets....Plus the info said the WHO

recommends we eat 5-9 portions of fresh fruit/veg a day, which I think is

possible, especially on a normal diet I can and do easily manage that.

The latest clinical research shows that most people can

improve their chances of living longer, healthier lives by eating more fruits

and vegetables. So it's good to

know that Juice PLUS+® provides nutrition from 26 different fruits,

vegetables and berries in convenient and inexpensive capsule form.

Regards

Becky

From:

<soniarobins@ tsn.cc>

samters@groups .com

Sent: Wed, 26 May, 2010 13:37:02

Subject: RE: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Unfortunately because of the high

content of salicylates in so many fruits and vegetables, I can’t have them nor

any fruit/vegetable juices.

From:

samsmom6602 [mailto:samsmom6602 @]

Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 10:13 PM

samters@groups .com

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

If you get 7 - 12 servings of RAW fruits and veggies in your diet per day

then you wouldn't need Juice Plus.

The American Cancer Society and Heart Association amongst others say that you

need 7 - 12 servings RAW fruits and veggies per day to prevent and help treat

diseases. The nutrients you find in a variety of fresh fruits and veggies you

can't get from anything else. Juice plus is not high in salycilates. Juice Plus

helps you get the nutrients you lack from a variety on fruits and veggies. It

also backs what it claims with the double blind clinical research studies.

Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

From:

Bannister <beckyb256 (DOT) co.uk>

Date:

Wed, 26 May 2010 11:47:22 +0000 (GMT)

To:

<samters@groups .com>

Subject:

Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Is

juiceplus not high in salycilates? And is it not so necessary if ones diet is

already high in fruit and veggies?

Regards

Becky

From:

" samsmom6602 " <samsmom6602>

samters@groups .com

Sent: Wed, 26 May, 2010 12:30:39

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

The Kefir and Good Belly also helped me a lot. I try to stay away from

coffee, but I still do have 1 cup in the AM to wake up, and it doesn't seem to

bother me. Also, as I have mentioned before the Juice Plus has done wonders for

me and my family. There is a lot of information on the clinical research

studies and doctors speaking about it you can go to www.jenrjuiceplus. com for

more info.

Changing you diet and better nutrition really helps in many ways.

Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

From:

Tiana <jonzbyz3 (DOT) com>

Date:

Tue, 25 May 2010 21:19:32 -0700 (PDT)

To:

<samters@groups .com>

Subject:

Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

I do eat alot of raw fruits and veggies. Lot's of

smoothies and juicing. I can not tell express how much better I feel. I have

not used my rescue inhaler in ages. I have heard lots of good things

about Juice Plus. I need to give it a try. I think the Kefir was a

critical component to my good health. Glad to hear it is working for you.

Tiana

From:

" samsmom6602 " <samsmom6602>

samters@groups .com

Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 11:13:42 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Tina,

I am right with you. I started eating healthier no processed foods or foods

with dyes, high fructose syrup etc. It is very important to get a lot of RAW

fruits and veggies in your diet too. I stopped all my Asthma Meds incl.

Singulair, and all my Nasal Sprays. I only take Vitamin D 1,000, Juice Plus,

and fish oil Omega 3. I drink Kefir, Good Belly, and make Juice Plus complete

shakes for me and my family.

I couldn't take living on all the drugs any longer. Most of the medications

have synthetics and chemicals and do more damage to your body then its worth

taking.

Glad to hear your feeling good.

Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

From:

Tiana <jonzbyz3 (DOT) com>

Date:

Tue, 25 May 2010 20:53:45 -0700 (PDT)

To:

<samters@groups .com>

Subject:

Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

I have not posted in a long time mostly because I have

felt great for several months now. I eat a mostly salicylate free diet (the

artificial ones), I have Kefir that I homegrow daily (major probiotic) and I

take 2000 IU of D3. I had surgery in Nov. of 2008 and I have no polyp regrowth.

I have not taken antibiotics or steroids since before the surgery. If I feel

like I may be getting infected I take Barleans olive leaf extract. I have

emptied my house of processed food and I only eat real food. Not only do I feel

cured my kids did not have one single cold or virus all year. That is a huge

improvement from the year before. The most amazing thing to me is that at one

point I was on 6 daily meds and now I take zero. Samter's was not my only

major problem which has disappeared with healthier eating. My last challenge is

to lose the weight that all the steroids packed on. I hope someone else

can benefit from some of these things. Tiana

From: Jane

Marino <janesmarino>

samters@groups .com

Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 7:44:00 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

,

What

is Oregosen and how much Vitamin D are you taking?

Jane

From: Ansara, (Norbord) <anthony.ansara@ norbord.com>

Subject: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

samters@groups .com

Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:01 AM

Hi everyone,

Antony here, It’s been a while since my last

post. I can certainly say I learn more from the group of you then

anywhere else and I am very thankful for it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to

clean out my sinus that was full of polyps.(again) It was my 5th

one in 12 years. For the last 2 years I have been taking daily

acidophilus and fish oils however when my sinus’s flare up, I start taking an

oregano based supplement. Three weeks before my surgery I took Manuka

Honey 3 times per day to help break down biofilm in the sinus.

Here is what I currently take daily;

Vitamin D

Vitamin C

2 capsules of Acidophilus

Fish oil

In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal

Defense and Bio-K( Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal

Defense and Oregosen when I get congestion and sinus infections however I

have started to taking acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has

told me it allows for more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the

gut.(cheaper as well)

I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with

the exception of 2 small polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to

cut out, I am still completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS has come

back but I’ll take congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my

surgery, the first thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally

clear and clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize

that what I am taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely

helps slow the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been

fighting them for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15

dime sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab

it with my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I

believe these supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any

benefit.

I hope this helps

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tina, great info. Maybe a 100% salicylate free diet is not for everybody a option but I think a daily Kefir drink might be very beneficial since it has antibiotic and antifungal

properties.The organisms in Kefir can balance the mircoflora and kill some of the harmful bacteria which may cause a part of our problems especially for those who have often been on antibiotcs. Kefir includes lactic acid bacteria, Lactococcus lactis

subsp. lactis, Streptococcus thermophilus, Lb delbrueckii subsp.

bulgaricus, Lb helveticus, Lb

casei subsp. pseudoplantarum and Lb brevis, yeasts, amino acids and enzymes.--- Tiana <jonzbyz3@...> schrieb am Mi, 26.5.2010:Von: Tiana <jonzbyz3@...>Betreff: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinusesAn: samters Datum: Mittwoch, 26. Mai, 2010 05:53 Uhr

I have not posted in a long time mostly because I have felt great for several months now. I eat a mostly salicylate free diet (the artificial ones), I have Kefir that I homegrow daily (major probiotic) and I take 2000 IU of D3. I had surgery in Nov. of 2008 and I have no polyp regrowth. I have not taken antibiotics or steroids since before the surgery. If I feel like I may be getting infected I take Barleans olive leaf extract. I have emptied my house of processed food and I only eat real food. Not only do I feel cured my kids did not have one single cold or virus all year. That is a huge improvement from the year before. The most amazing thing to me is that at one point I was on 6 daily meds and now I take zero. Samter's was not my only major problem which has disappeared with healthier

eating. My last challenge is to lose the weight that all the steroids packed on. I hope someone else can benefit from some of these things. TianaFrom: Jane Marino <janesmarino>samters@groups .comSent: Tue, May 25, 2010 7:44:00 PMSubject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

,

What is Oregosen and how much Vitamin D are you taking?

Jane

From: Ansara, (Norbord) <anthony.ansara@ norbord.com>Subject: Re: Probiotics for the sinusessamters@groups .comDate: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:01 AM

Hi everyone,

Antony here, It’s been a while since my last post. I can certainly say I learn more from the group of you then anywhere else and I am very thankful for it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that was full of polyps.(again) It was my 5th one in 12 years. For the last 2 years I have been taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however when my sinus’s flare up, I start taking an oregano based supplement. Three weeks before my surgery I took Manuka Honey 3 times per day to help break down biofilm in the sinus. Here is what I currently take daily;

Vitamin D

Vitamin C

2 capsules of Acidophilus

Fish oil

In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense and Bio-K( Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen when I get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to taking acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it allows for more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the gut.(cheaper as well)

I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2 small polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am still completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS has come back but I’ll take congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my surgery, the first thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally clear and clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize that what I am taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely helps slow the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been fighting them for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15 dime sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab it with my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I believe these supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile

to see any

benefit.

I hope this helps

[Guest guest]

I’m very interested in trying this Kefir drink, how do I go

about making it?

From: Nils Bischoff

[mailto:n_bischoff2001@...]

Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 8:39 AM

samters

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Thanks Tina, great info. Maybe a 100% salicylate free diet is not for

everybody a option but I think a daily Kefir drink might be very beneficial

since it has antibiotic and antifungal properties.

The organisms in Kefir can balance the mircoflora and kill some of the

harmful bacteria which may cause a part of our problems especially for those

who have often been on antibiotcs. Kefir includes lactic acid bacteria,

Lactococcus lactis subsp. lactis, Streptococcus thermophilus, Lb delbrueckii

subsp. bulgaricus, Lb helveticus, Lb casei subsp. pseudoplantarum and Lb

brevis, yeasts, amino acids and enzymes.

--- Tiana <jonzbyz3@...> schrieb am Mi,

26.5.2010:

Von: Tiana <jonzbyz3@...>

Betreff: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

An: samters

Datum: Mittwoch, 26. Mai, 2010 05:53 Uhr

I have not posted in a

long time mostly because I have felt great for several months now. I eat a

mostly salicylate free diet (the artificial ones), I have Kefir that I homegrow

daily (major probiotic) and I take 2000 IU of D3. I had surgery in Nov. of

2008 and I have no polyp regrowth. I have not taken antibiotics or steroids

since before the surgery. If I feel like I may be getting infected I take

Barleans olive leaf extract. I have emptied my house of processed food and I

only eat real food. Not only do I feel cured my kids did not have one single

cold or virus all year. That is a huge improvement from the year before. The

most amazing thing to me is that at one point I was on 6 daily meds and now I

take zero. Samter's was not my only major problem which has disappeared

with healthier eating. My last challenge is to lose the weight that all the

steroids packed on. I hope someone else can benefit from some of these

things. Tiana

From:

Jane Marino <janesmarino>

samters@groups .com

Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 7:44:00 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

,

What is

Oregosen and how much Vitamin D are you taking?

Jane

From: Ansara, (Norbord) <anthony.ansara@ norbord.com>

Subject: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

samters@groups .com

Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:01 AM

Hi

everyone,

Antony

here, It’s been a while since my last post. I can certainly say I

learn more from the group of you then anywhere else and I am very thankful

for it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that was full of

polyps.(again) It was my 5th one in 12 years. For

the last 2 years I have been taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however

when my sinus’s flare up, I start taking an oregano based supplement.

Three weeks before my surgery I took Manuka Honey 3 times per day to

help break down biofilm in the sinus. Here is what I currently

take daily;

Vitamin

D

Vitamin

C

2

capsules of Acidophilus

Fish

oil

In

the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense and Bio-K(

Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen

when I get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to taking

acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it allows

for more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the gut.(cheaper as well)

I

went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2 small

polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am still

completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS has come back but I’ll take

congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my surgery, the first

thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally clear and

clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize that what

I am taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely helps slow

the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been fighting

them for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15 dime

sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab it

with my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I believe

these supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any

benefit.

I

hope this helps

[Guest guest]

You can buy Kefir ready to drink at Whole Foods or similar store. I feed it daily to a family of five so I culture my own and make smoothies, popsicles, ranch dressing or whatever I can think of out of it. I went to a picnic last night and a friend had added kefir to the deviled eggs. I was given my starter culture from a friend but she bought it from a website called kefir.net. This is a good website to learn about it even if you buy the ready made stuff. I cannot believe the difference in my family and our health. I give away cultures to other families all the time because everybody wants to know what we have done to go from always sick to never sick. We have been drinking it daily for about 9 months. It is easy and safe to do at home. It is kind of like a

yogurt but much easier and many more health benefits. I would love to hear how it works for you. Good health. TianaFrom: <soniarobins@...>samters Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 5:44:36 PMSubject: RE: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

I’m very interested in trying this Kefir drink, how do I go

about making it?

From: Nils Bischoff

[mailto:n_bischoff2 001 (DOT) de]

Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 8:39 AM

samters@groups .com

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Thanks Tina, great info. Maybe a 100% salicylate free diet is not for

everybody a option but I think a daily Kefir drink might be very beneficial

since it has antibiotic and antifungal properties.

The organisms in Kefir can balance the mircoflora and kill some of the

harmful bacteria which may cause a part of our problems especially for those

who have often been on antibiotcs. Kefir includes lactic acid bacteria,

Lactococcus lactis subsp. lactis, Streptococcus thermophilus, Lb delbrueckii

subsp. bulgaricus, Lb helveticus, Lb casei subsp. pseudoplantarum and Lb

brevis, yeasts, amino acids and enzymes.

--- Tiana <jonzbyz3 (DOT) com> schrieb am Mi,

26.5.2010:

Von: Tiana <jonzbyz3 (DOT) com>

Betreff: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

An: samters@groups .com

Datum: Mittwoch, 26. Mai, 2010 05:53 Uhr

I have not posted in a

long time mostly because I have felt great for several months now. I eat a

mostly salicylate free diet (the artificial ones), I have Kefir that I homegrow

daily (major probiotic) and I take 2000 IU of D3. I had surgery in Nov. of

2008 and I have no polyp regrowth. I have not taken antibiotics or steroids

since before the surgery. If I feel like I may be getting infected I take

Barleans olive leaf extract. I have emptied my house of processed food and I

only eat real food. Not only do I feel cured my kids did not have one single

cold or virus all year. That is a huge improvement from the year before. The

most amazing thing to me is that at one point I was on 6 daily meds and now I

take zero. Samter's was not my only major problem which has disappeared

with healthier eating. My last challenge is to lose the weight that all the

steroids packed on. I hope someone else can benefit from some of these

things. Tiana

From:

Jane Marino <janesmarino>

samters@groups .com

Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 7:44:00 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

,

What is

Oregosen and how much Vitamin D are you taking?

Jane

From: Ansara, (Norbord) <anthony.ansara@ norbord.com>

Subject: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

samters@groups .com

Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:01 AM

Hi

everyone,

Antony

here, It’s been a while since my last post. I can certainly say I

learn more from the group of you then anywhere else and I am very thankful

for it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that was full of

polyps.(again) It was my 5th one in 12 years. For

the last 2 years I have been taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however

when my sinus’s flare up, I start taking an oregano based supplement.

Three weeks before my surgery I took Manuka Honey 3 times per day to

help break down biofilm in the sinus. Here is what I currently

take daily;

Vitamin

D Vitamin

C 2

capsules of Acidophilus Fish

oil

In

the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense and Bio-K(

Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen

when I get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to taking

acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it allows

for more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the gut.(cheaper as well)

I

went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2 small

polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am still

completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS has come back but I’ll take

congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my surgery, the first

thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally clear and

clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize that what

I am taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely helps slow

the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been fighting

them for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15 dime

sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab it

with my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I believe

these supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any

benefit.

I

hope this helps

[Guest guest]

I agree that getting off a totally sal free diet is not wise if you are not doing something to fix your gut. I survived (barely) on a sal free diet for years. You have to go slow and make little changes to improve your way of eating. I think that getting off a SAD (standard American diet) is the most critical. I made little changes and now eating good is my passion. Getting over Samter's and regaining my SOS can make anyone passionate about good healthy foods. Good Health to you all. TianaFrom: Nils Bischoff <n_bischoff2001@...>samters Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 5:39:09 PMSubject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Thanks Tina, great info. Maybe a 100% salicylate free diet is not for everybody a option but I think a daily Kefir drink might be very beneficial since it has antibiotic and antifungal

properties.The organisms in Kefir can balance the mircoflora and kill some of the harmful bacteria which may cause a part of our problems especially for those who have often been on antibiotcs. Kefir includes lactic acid bacteria, Lactococcus lactis

subsp. lactis, Streptococcus thermophilus, Lb delbrueckii subsp.

bulgaricus, Lb helveticus, Lb

casei subsp. pseudoplantarum and Lb brevis, yeasts, amino acids and enzymes.--- Tiana <jonzbyz3 (DOT) com> schrieb am Mi, 26.5.2010:Von: Tiana <jonzbyz3 (DOT) com>Betreff: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinusesAn: samters@groups .comDatum: Mittwoch, 26. Mai, 2010 05:53 Uhr

I have not posted in a long time mostly because I have felt great for several months now. I eat a mostly salicylate free diet (the artificial ones), I have Kefir that I homegrow daily (major probiotic) and I take 2000 IU of D3. I had surgery in Nov. of 2008 and I have no polyp regrowth. I have not taken antibiotics or steroids since before the surgery. If I feel like I may be getting infected I take Barleans olive leaf extract. I have emptied my house of processed food and I only eat real food. Not only do I feel cured my kids did not have one single cold or virus all year. That is a huge improvement from the year before. The most amazing thing to me is that at one point I was on 6 daily meds and now I take zero. Samter's was not my only major problem which has disappeared with healthier

eating. My last challenge is to lose the weight that all the steroids packed on. I hope someone else can benefit from some of these things. TianaFrom: Jane Marino <janesmarino>samters@groups .comSent: Tue, May 25, 2010 7:44:00 PMSubject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

,

What is Oregosen and how much Vitamin D are you taking?

Jane

From: Ansara, (Norbord) <anthony.ansara@ norbord.com>Subject: Re: Probiotics for the sinusessamters@groups .comDate: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:01 AM

Hi everyone,

Antony here, It’s been a while since my last post. I can certainly say I learn more from the group of you then anywhere else and I am very thankful for it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that was full of polyps.(again) It was my 5th one in 12 years. For the last 2 years I have been taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however when my sinus’s flare up, I start taking an oregano based supplement. Three weeks before my surgery I took Manuka Honey 3 times per day to help break down biofilm in the sinus. Here is what I currently take daily;

Vitamin D

Vitamin C

2 capsules of Acidophilus

Fish oil

In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense and Bio-K( Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen when I get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to taking acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it allows for more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the gut.(cheaper as well)

I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2 small polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am still completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS has come back but I’ll take congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my surgery, the first thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally clear and clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize that what I am taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely helps slow the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been fighting them for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15 dime sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab it with my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I believe these supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile

to see any

benefit.

I hope this helps

[Guest guest]

Tiana,

I'm interested as well. You said that you don't eat the " artifical " salycilates,

I assume you mean those found in meds and artificial colors? That's pretty much

the diet I have eaten for 15 years, and still that Samter's. We're all

different, but I just wanted to clarify. You are so lucky that you have found

the way to a med-free existence!

Becca

>

>

> >From: Ansara, (Norbord) <anthony.ansara@ norbord.com>

> >Subject: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

> >samters@groups .com

> >Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:01 AM

> >

> >

> > 

> >Hi everyone, 

> > 

> >Antonyhere, It’s been a while since my last post.  I can certainly say I

learn more from the group of you then anywhere else and I am very thankful for

it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that was full of

polyps.(again)  It was my 5th one in 12 years.  For the last 2 years I have

been taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however when my sinus’s flare up,

I start taking an oregano based supplement.  Three weeks before my surgery I

took Manuka Honey 3 times per day to help break down biofilm in the sinus.

  Here is what I currently take daily;

> > 

> >Vitamin D

> >Vitamin C

> >2 capsules of Acidophilus

> >Fish oil

> > 

> >In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense and Bio-K(

Acidophilus drink).  I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen when I

get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to taking

 acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it allows for more

absorption in the intensions as apposed to the gut.(cheaper as well) 

> > 

> >I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2 small

polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am still completely

clear.  Unfortunately no SOS has come back but I’ll take congestion relief to

SOS any day!!  When I had my surgery, the first thing my ENT told me was that

my Sinus was exceptionally clear and clean.  No regular gunk or build up at

all.  I realize that what I am taking is not a cure but these supplements have

definitely helps slow the rate of growth in polyps I used to have.  I have been

fighting them for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15

dime sized polyps cut out.  One time I had one so big that I could grab it with

my fingers.  It almost hung out of my nose.  Although I believe these

supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any benefit. 

> > 

> >I hope this helps

> > 

> >              

> >   

>

[Guest guest]

Tiana,

Disregard my post! Maybe I should read everything before posting....

>

> >From: Ansara, (Norbord) <anthony.ansara@ norbord.com>

> >Subject: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

> >samters@groups .com

> >Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:01 AM

> >

> >Hi everyone,

> >

> >Antony here, It’s been a while since my last post. I can certainly say I

learn more from the group of you then anywhere else and I am very thankful for

it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that was full of

polyps.(again) It was my 5th one in 12 years. For the last 2 years I have been

taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however when my sinus’s flare up, I

start taking an oregano based supplement. Three weeks before my surgery I took

Manuka Honey 3 times per day to help break down biofilm in the sinus. Here is

what I currently take daily;

> >

> >Vitamin D

> >Vitamin C

> >2 capsules of Acidophilus

> >Fish oil

> >

> >In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense and Bio-K(

Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen when I

get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to taking

acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it allows for more

absorption in the intensions as apposed to the gut.(cheaper as well)

> >

> >I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2 small

polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am still completely

clear. Unfortunately no SOS has come back but I’ll take congestion relief to

SOS any day!! When I had my surgery, the first thing my ENT told me was that my

Sinus was exceptionally clear and clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I

realize that what I am taking is not a cure but these supplements have

definitely helps slow the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been

fighting them for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15

dime sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab it with

my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I believe these

supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any benefit.

> >

> >I hope this helps

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I will do my best to keep a food diary for awhile and post what I am eating. It would be good for me to do anyway. It does take a high level of commitment but it is worth it. It helps that I see the benefits for my whole family. I will try to gather some of my favorite book titles and make a list. I have to say that I had some very serious other (other than samters) health conditions including intercranial hypertension that put me in the hospital for 9 days and on coumadin and diamox for over a year. These were all driving factors for me to have a radical look at the way that I was eating and medically treating myself. I did not change everything overnight I just started to read as much as I could about alternatives to traditional meds. I was diagnosed with Samter's (among other things) in 06

and have been totally med free since Nov. of 09. You are right when I say artificial I mean any salicylates that do not occur naturally. I have not tested coffee or wine. I will give it a try someday but I am still a little nervous to push it. I am not sure about your Barleans OLE question I do not use that for a litmus anymore. It eliminates to many good things. (everything that is supposedly good for you has some level of salicylates). I wish I could have everyone over so I could share everything I do but I guess this is the next best thing. Good Health to you all. Tiana From:

<rebeebit@...>samters Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 9:42:46 PMSubject: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Tiana,

I'm interested as well. You said that you don't eat the "artifical" salycilates, I assume you mean those found in meds and artificial colors? That's pretty much the diet I have eaten for 15 years, and still that Samter's. We're all different, but I just wanted to clarify. You are so lucky that you have found the way to a med-free existence!

Becca

>

>

> >From: Ansara, (Norbord) <anthony.ansara@ norbord.com>

> >Subject: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

> >samters@groups .com

> >Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:01 AM

> >

> >

> >Â

> >Hi everyone,Â

> >Â

> >Antonyhere, It’s been a while since my last post. I can certainly say I learn more from the group of you then anywhere else and I am very thankful for it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that was full of polyps.(again) It was my 5th one in 12 years. For the last 2 years I have been taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however when my sinus’s flare up, I start taking an oregano based supplement.  Three weeks before my surgery I took Manuka Honey 3 times per day to help break down biofilm in the sinus.   Here is what I currently take daily;

> >Â

> >Vitamin D

> >Vitamin C

> >2 capsules of Acidophilus

> >Fish oil

> >Â

> >In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense and Bio-K( Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen when I get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to taking  acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it allows for more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the gut.(cheaper as well)Â

> >Â

> >I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2 small polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am still completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS has come back but I’ll take congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my surgery, the first thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally clear and clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize that what I am taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely helps slow the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been fighting them for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15 dime sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab it with my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I believe these supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any benefit.Â

> >Â

> >I hope this helps

> >Â

> >Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> >Â Â Â

>

[Guest guest]

I would be very grateful to hear this..although it sounds like you can eat salycilates now. It honestly sounds like you have eaten your way to good health and actually do not have Samters any more...which is fantastic.

I think I will definately try this kefir, as my one huge remainuing issues is infected sinuses, and occasionaly thrush from overuse of antibiotics and steroids.

Were you ever desen to aspirin?

Becky

From: Tiana <jonzbyz3@...>samters Sent: Thu, 27 May, 2010 4:23:28Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

I will do my best to keep a food diary for awhile and post what I am eating. It would be good for me to do anyway. It does take a high level of commitment but it is worth it. It helps that I see the benefits for my whole family. I will try to gather some of my favorite book titles and make a list. I have to say that I had some very serious other (other than samters) health conditions including intercranial hypertension that put me in the hospital for 9 days and on coumadin and diamox for over a year. These were all driving factors for me to have a radical look at the way that I was eating and medically treating myself. I did not change everything overnight I just started to read as much as I could about alternatives to traditional meds. I was diagnosed with Samter's (among other things) in 06 and have been totally med free since Nov. of 09. You are right when I say artificial I mean any salicylates that do not occur naturally. I have not

tested coffee or wine. I will give it a try someday but I am still a little nervous to push it. I am not sure about your Barleans OLE question I do not use that for a litmus anymore. It eliminates to many good things. (everything that is supposedly good for you has some level of salicylates) . I wish I could have everyone over so I could share everything I do but I guess this is the next best thing. Good Health to you all. Tiana

From: <rebeebit (DOT) com>samters@groups .comSent: Wed, May 26, 2010 9:42:46 PMSubject: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Tiana,I'm interested as well. You said that you don't eat the "artifical" salycilates, I assume you mean those found in meds and artificial colors? That's pretty much the diet I have eaten for 15 years, and still that Samter's. We're all different, but I just wanted to clarify. You are so lucky that you have found the way to a med-free existence!Becca> > > >From: Ansara, (Norbord) <anthony.ansara@ norbord.com>> >Subject: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses> >samters@groups .com> >Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:01 AM> >> >> > > >Hi everyone, > > > >Antonyhere, It’s been a while since my last post. I can certainly say I learn more from the group of you then anywhere else and I am very thankful for it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that was full of polyps.(again) It was my 5th one in 12 years. For the last 2 years I have been taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however when my sinus’s flare up, I start taking an

oregano based supplement.  Three weeks before my surgery I took Manuka Honey 3 times per day to help break down biofilm in the sinus.   Here is what I currently take daily;> > > >Vitamin D > >Vitamin C > >2 capsules of Acidophilus > >Fish oil > > > >In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense and Bio-K( Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen when I get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to taking  acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it allows for more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the gut.(cheaper as well) > > > >I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2 small polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am still completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS

has come back but I’ll take congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my surgery, the first thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally clear and clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize that what I am taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely helps slow the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been fighting them for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15 dime sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab it with my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I believe these supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any benefit. > > > >I hope this helps > > > >             >

>Â Â Â >

[Guest guest]

I’ve put the Kefir on my shopping list and will call in to the

health foods store tomorrow.

Since being on this salicylate free diet, I’ve put on weight,

mainly I think because I’m eating more to try and make myself feel full yet not

getting any satisfaction from it and crave tasty food.

From: Bannister

[mailto:beckyb256@...]

Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 4:20 PM

samters

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

I would be very grateful to hear this..although it sounds

like you can eat salycilates now. It honestly sounds like you have eaten your

way to good health and actually do not have Samters any more...which is

fantastic.

I think I will definately try this kefir, as my one huge

remainuing issues is infected sinuses, and occasionaly thrush from overuse of

antibiotics and steroids.

Were you ever desen to aspirin?

Becky

From: Tiana

<jonzbyz3@...>

samters

Sent: Thu, 27 May, 2010 4:23:28

Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

I will do my best to keep a

food diary for awhile and post what I am eating. It would be good for me to do

anyway. It does take a high level of commitment but it is worth it. It helps

that I see the benefits for my whole family. I will try to gather some of my

favorite book titles and make a list. I have to say that I had some very

serious other (other than samters) health conditions including intercranial

hypertension that put me in the hospital for 9 days and on coumadin and diamox

for over a year. These were all driving factors for me to have a radical look

at the way that I was eating and medically treating myself. I did not change

everything overnight I just started to read as much as I could about

alternatives to traditional meds. I was diagnosed with Samter's (among other

things) in 06 and have been totally med free since Nov. of 09. You are

right when I say artificial I mean any salicylates that do not occur naturally.

I have not tested coffee or wine. I will give it a try someday but I am still a

little nervous to push it. I am not sure about your Barleans OLE question I do

not use that for a litmus anymore. It eliminates to many good things.

(everything that is supposedly good for you has some level of salicylates) . I

wish I could have everyone over so I could share everything I do but I guess

this is the next best thing. Good Health to you all. Tiana

From:

<rebeebit (DOT) com>

samters@groups .com

Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 9:42:46 PM

Subject: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Tiana,

I'm interested as well. You said that you don't eat the " artifical "

salycilates, I assume you mean those found in meds and artificial colors?

That's pretty much the diet I have eaten for 15 years, and still that Samter's.

We're all different, but I just wanted to clarify. You are so lucky that you

have found the way to a med-free existence!

Becca

>

>

> >From: Ansara, (Norbord) <anthony.ansara@ norbord.com>

> >Subject: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

> >samters@groups .com

> >Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:01 AM

> >

> >

> >Â

> >Hi everyone,Â

> >Â

> >Antonyhere, It’s been a while since my last post. I can

certainly say I learn more from the group of you then anywhere else and I am

very thankful for it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that was

full of polyps.(again) It was my 5th one in 12 years. For the

last 2 years I have been taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however when my

sinus’s flare up, I start taking an oregano based supplement.  Three

weeks before my surgery I took Manuka Honey 3 times per day to help break down

biofilm in the sinus. Â Â Here is what I currently take daily;

> >Â

> >Vitamin D

> >Vitamin C

> >2 capsules of Acidophilus

> >Fish oil

> >Â

> >In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense and Bio-K(

Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen

when I get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to taking

 acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it allows for

more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the gut.(cheaper as

well)Â

> >Â

> >I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2

small polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am still

completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS has come back but I’ll take

congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my surgery, the first

thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally clear and

clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize that what I

am taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely helps slow the

rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been fighting them for

12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15 dime sized polyps

cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab it with my

fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I believe these

supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any benefit.Â

> >Â

> >I hope this helps

> >Â

> >Â

           Â

> >Â Â Â

>

[Guest guest]

Me too - i hope to buy some next week. I've read up about it and it sounds quite fun and easy to make.

Good luck with your diet, - keep going, I think one gets used to it after a while

ecky

From: <soniarobins@...>samters Sent: Thu, 27 May, 2010 7:31:46Subject: RE: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

I’ve put the Kefir on my shopping list and will call in to the health foods store tomorrow.

Since being on this salicylate free diet, I’ve put on weight, mainly I think because I’m eating more to try and make myself feel full yet not getting any satisfaction from it and crave tasty food.

From: Bannister [mailto:beckyb256@ .co. uk] Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 4:20 PMsamters@groups .comSubject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

I would be very grateful to hear this..although it sounds like you can eat salycilates now. It honestly sounds like you have eaten your way to good health and actually do not have Samters any more...which is fantastic.

I think I will definately try this kefir, as my one huge remainuing issues is infected sinuses, and occasionaly thrush from overuse of antibiotics and steroids.

Were you ever desen to aspirin?

Becky

From: Tiana <jonzbyz3 (DOT) com>samters@groups .comSent: Thu, 27 May, 2010 4:23:28Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

I will do my best to keep a food diary for awhile and post what I am eating. It would be good for me to do anyway. It does take a high level of commitment but it is worth it. It helps that I see the benefits for my whole family. I will try to gather some of my favorite book titles and make a list. I have to say that I had some very serious other (other than samters) health conditions including intercranial hypertension that put me in the hospital for 9 days and on coumadin and diamox for over a year. These were all driving factors for me to have a radical look at the way that I was eating and medically treating myself. I did not change everything overnight I just started to read as much as I could about alternatives to traditional meds. I was diagnosed with Samter's (among other things) in 06 and have been totally med free since Nov. of 09. You are right when I say artificial I mean any salicylates

that do not occur naturally. I have not tested coffee or wine. I will give it a try someday but I am still a little nervous to push it. I am not sure about your Barleans OLE question I do not use that for a litmus anymore. It eliminates to many good things. (everything that is supposedly good for you has some level of salicylates) . I wish I could have everyone over so I could share everything I do but I guess this is the next best thing. Good Health to you all. Tiana

From: <rebeebit (DOT) com>samters@groups .comSent: Wed, May 26, 2010 9:42:46 PMSubject: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Tiana,I'm interested as well. You said that you don't eat the "artifical" salycilates, I assume you mean those found in meds and artificial colors? That's pretty much the diet I have eaten for 15 years, and still that Samter's. We're all different, but I just wanted to clarify. You are so lucky that you have found the way to a med-free existence!Becca> > > >From: Ansara, (Norbord) <anthony.ansara@ norbord.com>> >Subject: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses> >samters@groups .com> >Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:01 AM> >> >> > > >Hi everyone, > > > >Antonyhere, It’s been a while since my last post. I can certainly say I learn more from the group of you then anywhere else and I am very thankful for it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that was full of polyps.(again) It was my 5th one in 12 years. For the last 2 years I have been taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however when my sinus’s flare up, I start taking an

oregano based supplement.  Three weeks before my surgery I took Manuka Honey 3 times per day to help break down biofilm in the sinus.   Here is what I currently take daily;> > > >Vitamin D > >Vitamin C > >2 capsules of Acidophilus > >Fish oil > > > >In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense and Bio-K( Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen when I get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to taking  acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it allows for more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the gut.(cheaper as well) > > > >I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2 small polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am still completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS

has come back but I’ll take congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my surgery, the first thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally clear and clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize that what I am taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely helps slow the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been fighting them for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15 dime sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab it with my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I believe these supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any benefit. > > > >I hope this helps > > > >             >

>Â Â Â >

[Guest guest]

BeccaNo, I was never desen to aspirin. Because the steroids severely increased my intercranial hypertension to the point of losing my vision they were afraid to do desens. Maybe this was a blessing, it forced me to try something else. Read about leaky gut syndrome. It basically states that because of antibiotic use we strip away the natural bacteria that coats our bowels. This allows things that should stay in the intestines to pass through the wall of the intestines. Our immune system then sees these things as foreign and we have a reaction. We are being fed so many antibiotics with our food that you do not have to be a heavy antibiotic user to start this cycle. We all know that as Samter's patients a constant bombardment of antibiotics and steroids is the regimen of choose. If leaky

gut is really our problem you could see how this could get us in a never ending cycle. I hope this does not freak anyone out. I also know that your ENT will say this is nuts. I was very skeptical when I was first told this could be my problem but I tried it anyway and I feel like a new person. I have to remind myself that the established medical world is just now starting to recognize Samter's. I would love to be able to say that I do not have Samter's anymore but the skeptic in me has not pushed anything major like coffee, wine or most ominously aspirin. I will have to give coffee a try one day just to see how it goes. Have a great day. TianaFrom: Bannister <beckyb256@...>samters Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 1:19:37 AMSubject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

I would be very grateful to hear this..although it sounds like you can eat salycilates now. It honestly sounds like you have eaten your way to good health and actually do not have Samters any more...which is fantastic.

I think I will definately try this kefir, as my one huge remainuing issues is infected sinuses, and occasionaly thrush from overuse of antibiotics and steroids.

Were you ever desen to aspirin?

Becky

From: Tiana <jonzbyz3 (DOT) com>samters@groups .comSent: Thu, 27 May, 2010 4:23:28Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

I will do my best to keep a food diary for awhile and post what I am eating. It would be good for me to do anyway. It does take a high level of commitment but it is worth it. It helps that I see the benefits for my whole family. I will try to gather some of my favorite book titles and make a list. I have to say that I had some very serious other (other than samters) health conditions including intercranial hypertension that put me in the hospital for 9 days and on coumadin and diamox for over a year. These were all driving factors for me to have a radical look at the way that I was eating and medically treating myself. I did not change everything overnight I just started to read as much as I could about alternatives to traditional meds. I was diagnosed with Samter's (among other things) in 06 and have been totally med free since Nov. of 09. You are right when I say artificial I mean any salicylates that do not occur naturally. I have not

tested coffee or wine. I will give it a try someday but I am still a little nervous to push it. I am not sure about your Barleans OLE question I do not use that for a litmus anymore. It eliminates to many good things. (everything that is supposedly good for you has some level of salicylates) . I wish I could have everyone over so I could share everything I do but I guess this is the next best thing. Good Health to you all. Tiana

From: <rebeebit (DOT) com>samters@groups .comSent: Wed, May 26, 2010 9:42:46 PMSubject: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Tiana,I'm interested as well. You said that you don't eat the "artifical" salycilates, I assume you mean those found in meds and artificial colors? That's pretty much the diet I have eaten for 15 years, and still that Samter's. We're all different, but I just wanted to clarify. You are so lucky that you have found the way to a med-free existence!Becca> > > >From: Ansara, (Norbord) <anthony.ansara@ norbord.com>> >Subject: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses> >samters@groups .com> >Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 8:01 AM> >> >> > > >Hi everyone, > > > >Antonyhere, It’s been a while since my last post. I can certainly say I learn more from the group of you then anywhere else and I am very thankful for it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that was full of polyps.(again) It was my 5th one in 12 years. For the last 2 years I have been taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however when my sinus’s flare up, I start taking

an

oregano based supplement.  Three weeks before my surgery I took Manuka Honey 3 times per day to help break down biofilm in the sinus.   Here is what I currently take daily;> > > >Vitamin D > >Vitamin C > >2 capsules of Acidophilus > >Fish oil > > > >In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense and Bio-K( Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen when I get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to taking  acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it allows for more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the gut.(cheaper as well) > > > >I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2 small polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am still completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS

has come back but I’ll take congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my surgery, the first thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally clear and clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize that what I am taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely helps slow the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been fighting them for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15 dime sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab it with my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I believe these supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any benefit. > > > >I hope this helps > > > >             >

>Â Â Â >

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Jane,The simple idea behind Manuka honey is that it is a good antiseptic and an excellent wound healer. It won't kill all bugs, but it looks like it is the best honey. It also looks pretty safe for irrigation - maybe not on a permanent basis but at least for a few weeks.I found some testimonials here :http://www.yogaforums.com/forums/f16/manuka-honey-and-neti-3539.htmlhttp://www.manukahoneyusa.com/CustomerTestimonies.htmhttp://www.canada.com/topics/bodyandhealth/story.html?id=78a59015-3a84-4765-acb6-b98054803e76www.drmarkcourtney.com/WebArchive/ManukaHoney_2389_60.docBackground:Chronic rhinosinusitis (CRS) is an inflammatory disease in which bacteria are commonly implicated often in the form of a biofilm. Manuka honey has been shown in vitro to be an effective treatment against two common CRS pathogens both in the planktonic and in the biofilm forms. The purpose of this study was to determine if the application of manuka honey to respiratory epithelium would result in histological evidence of epithelial injury.Methods:Using a rabbit animal model, a nonrandomized controlled trial of four treatment regimes was performed with two rabbits in each group. The left nasal cavity was irrigated with a 1.5-mL manuka honey solution once daily and the right nasal cavity was not treated. Groups 1-3 were treated for 3, 7, and 14 consecutive days, respectively, and killed the morning after the last treatment. Group 4 was treated for 14 consecutive days followed by a 14-day washout period and then killed the following morning. The nasal respiratory mucosa was immediately harvested after death. The mucosa was examined by light microscopy for histological change in comparison with the control side.Results:Cilia were not measured quantitatively but were equally present on the treated and untreated mucosa. There was no histological evidence of inflammation, epithelial injury, or significant morphological changes.Conclusion:The application of a manuka honey solution to rabbit nasal respiratory mucosa over different treatment intervals did not show evidence of histological epithelial injury.> >> > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > Antony here, It's been a while since my last post. I can certainly say> > I learn more from the group of you then anywhere else and I am very> > thankful for it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that> > was full of polyps.(again) It was my 5th one in 12 years. For the last> > 2 years I have been taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however when> > my sinus's flare up, I start taking an oregano based supplement. Three> > weeks before my surgery I took Manuka Honey 3 times per day to help> > break down biofilm in the sinus. Here is what I currently take daily;> > > > > > > > Vitamin D> > > > Vitamin C> > > > 2 capsules of Acidophilus> > > > Fish oil> > > > > > > > In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense and Bio-K(> > Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen> > when I get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to> > taking acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it> > allows for more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the> > gut.(cheaper as well) > > > > > > > > I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2> > small polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am> > still completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS has come back but I'll> > take congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my surgery, the> > first thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally clear and> > clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize that what I am> > taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely helps slow> > the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been fighting them> > for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15 dime> > sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab it> > with my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I believe> > these supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any benefit.> > > > > > > > > > I hope this helps > > > > > > > > > >>

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Thanks for these precisions, . I do not believe oral manuka honey would

have done much to clear you of germs - whereas irrigated honey might have - but

why not. I would rather tend to think that is was the skill and thorougness of

your surgeon that did the trick. The rest (Fungal defence, vit D) has certainly

helped too.

>

> Hi guys,

>

>

>

> A few points to note. I first hear of Manuka honey on this board. I

> did some research and found some clinical studies on how it is very

> effective at breaking BioFilm. I did not irrigate with it. As much as

> I thought about it I could not find any information regarding use via

> irrigation. Instead I took it for 4 weeks before my surgery( on toast

> or by the tablespoon full). I for one did not care for the taste. This

> stuff is very expensive. Your grocery store sells it but it is not the

> right kind. They are using the name Manuka but it is not the real

> thing. The real thing costs me $35 for a bottle not $5.

>

>

>

> I am taking 2000ui of vit -d each day. Not sure if this is enough. I

> should have SAID Oregaresp not Oregasen . Same product but it changed

> names 3 years ago. Sorry

>

>

>

> My ENT is a fantastic doctor. He never has to use packing after surgery

> and he tries hard to minimize blood loss. I've been a loyal customer

> for 12 years and I have went to 2 others who do not come close. He does

> not care about any of the alternative solutions that I have mentioned(

> and admits that it is because he does not understand the foundations of

> natural medicine) but he did mention that he has several patients that

> use an oregano based supplements regularly who have mentioned that it

> has helped greatly with congestion.

>

>

>

> I hope everyone in the USA has a great holiday weekend. As I am

> Canadian, my long weekend was last week.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for this information!

From: asfy <asfyso@...>Subject: Re: Probiotics for the sinusessamters Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 2:03 AM

Jane,

The simple idea behind Manuka honey is that it is a good antiseptic and an excellent wound healer. It won't kill all bugs, but it looks like it is the best honey. It also looks pretty safe for irrigation - maybe not on a permanent basis but at least for a few weeks.

I found some testimonials here :

http://www.yogaforu ms.com/forums/ f16/manuka- honey-and- neti-3539. html

http://www.manukaho neyusa.com/ CustomerTestimon ies.htm

http://www.canada. com/topics/ bodyandhealth/ story.html? id=78a59015- 3a84-4765- acb6-b98054803e7 6

www.drmarkcourtney. com/WebArchive/ManukaHoney_2389_60.doc

Background:

Chronic rhinosinusitis (CRS) is an inflammatory disease in which bacteria are commonly implicated often in the form of a biofilm. Manuka honey has been shown in vitro to be an effective treatment against two common CRS pathogens both in the planktonic and in the biofilm forms. The purpose of this study was to determine if the application of manuka honey to respiratory epithelium would result in histological evidence of epithelial injury.

Methods:

Using a rabbit animal model, a nonrandomized controlled trial of four treatment regimes was performed with two rabbits in each group. The left nasal cavity was irrigated with a 1.5-mL manuka honey solution once daily and the right nasal cavity was not treated. Groups 1-3 were treated for 3, 7, and 14 consecutive days, respectively, and killed the morning after the last treatment. Group 4 was treated for 14 consecutive days followed by a 14-day washout period and then killed the following morning. The nasal respiratory mucosa was immediately harvested after death. The mucosa was examined by light microscopy for histological change in comparison with the control side.

Results:

Cilia were not measured quantitatively but were equally present on the treated and untreated mucosa. There was no histological evidence of inflammation, epithelial injury, or significant morphological changes.

Conclusion:

The application of a manuka honey solution to rabbit nasal respiratory mucosa over different treatment intervals did not show evidence of histological epithelial injury.> >> > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > Antony here, It's been a while since my last post. I can certainly say> > I learn more

from the group of you then anywhere else and I am very> > thankful for it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that> > was full of polyps.(again) It was my 5th one in 12 years. For the last> > 2 years I have been taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however when> > my sinus's flare up, I start taking an oregano based supplement. Three> > weeks before my surgery I took Manuka Honey 3 times per day to help> > break down biofilm in the sinus. Here is what I currently take daily;> > > > > > > > Vitamin D> > > > Vitamin C> > > > 2 capsules of Acidophilus> > > > Fish oil> > > > > > > > In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense and Bio-K(> > Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen> >

when I get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to> > taking acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it> > allows for more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the> > gut.(cheaper as well) > > > > > > > > I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2> > small polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am> > still completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS has come back but I'll> > take congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my surgery, the> > first thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally clear and> > clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize that what I am> > taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely helps slow> > the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been fighting

them> > for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15 dime> > sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab it> > with my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I believe> > these supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any benefit.> > > > > > > > > > I hope this helps > > > > > > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

I've been using manuka honey to try to heal sores on my septum. It has helped more than everything and I no longer have an almost daily bloody nose. However when I irrigate and use a steroid spray, it seems to counteract the healing and the sores come back. I'm trying to find a balance -- irrigating less and using the spray less until I'm healed, but I haven't quite worked it out yet. On May 30, 2010, at 2:03 AM, asfy wrote:

Jane,The simple idea behind Manuka honey is that it is a good antiseptic and an excellent wound healer. It won't kill all bugs, but it looks like it is the best honey. It also looks pretty safe for irrigation - maybe not on a permanent basis but at least for a few weeks.I found some testimonials here :http://www.yogaforums.com/forums/f16/manuka-honey-and-neti-3539.htmlhttp://www.manukahoneyusa.com/CustomerTestimonies.htmhttp://www.canada.com/topics/bodyandhealth/story.html?id=78a59015-3a84-4765-acb6-b98054803e76www.drmarkcourtney.com/WebArchive/ManukaHoney_2389_60.docBackground:Chronic rhinosinusitis (CRS) is an inflammatory disease in which bacteria are commonly implicated often in the form of a biofilm. Manuka honey has been shown in vitro to be an effective treatment against two common CRS pathogens both in the planktonic and in the biofilm forms. The purpose of this study was to determine if the application of manuka honey to respiratory epithelium would result in histological evidence of epithelial injury.Methods:Using a rabbit animal model, a nonrandomized controlled trial of four treatment regimes was performed with two rabbits in each group. The left nasal cavity was irrigated with a 1.5-mL manuka honey solution once daily and the right nasal cavity was not treated. Groups 1-3 were treated for 3, 7, and 14 consecutive days, respectively, and killed the morning after the last treatment. Group 4 was treated for 14 consecutive days followed by a 14-day washout period and then killed the following morning. The nasal respiratory mucosa was immediately harvested after death. The mucosa was examined by light microscopy for histological change in comparison with the control side.Results:Cilia were not measured quantitatively but were equally present on the treated and untreated mucosa. There was no histological evidence of inflammation, epithelial injury, or significant morphological changes.Conclusion:The application of a manuka honey solution to rabbit nasal respiratory mucosa over different treatment intervals did not show evidence of histological epithelial injury.> >> > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > Antony here, It's been a while since my last post. I can certainly say> > I learn more from the group of you then anywhere else and I am very> > thankful for it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that> > was full of polyps.(again) It was my 5th one in 12 years. For the last> > 2 years I have been taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however when> > my sinus's flare up, I start taking an oregano based supplement. Three> > weeks before my surgery I took Manuka Honey 3 times per day to help> > break down biofilm in the sinus. Here is what I currently take daily;> > > > > > > > Vitamin D> > > > Vitamin C> > > > 2 capsules of Acidophilus> > > > Fish oil> > > > > > > > In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense and Bio-K(> > Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen> > when I get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to> > taking acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it> > allows for more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the> > gut.(cheaper as well) > > > > > > > > I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2> > small polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am> > still completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS has come back but I'll> > take congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my surgery, the> > first thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally clear and> > clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize that what I am> > taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely helps slow> > the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been fighting them> > for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15 dime> > sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab it> > with my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I believe> > these supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any benefit.> > > > > > > > > > I hope this helps > > > > > > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

Once you're finished irrigating/spraying, apply honey with a q-tips on the sores

and let it melt there. Repeat several times a day, it may take a while to heal.

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Antony here, It's been a while since my last post. I can certainly say

> > > > I learn more from the group of you then anywhere else and I am very

> > > > thankful for it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that

> > > > was full of polyps.(again) It was my 5th one in 12 years. For the last

> > > > 2 years I have been taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however when

> > > > my sinus's flare up, I start taking an oregano based supplement. Three

> > > > weeks before my surgery I took Manuka Honey 3 times per day to help

> > > > break down biofilm in the sinus. Here is what I currently take daily;

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vitamin D

> > > >

> > > > Vitamin C

> > > >

> > > > 2 capsules of Acidophilus

> > > >

> > > > Fish oil

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense and Bio-K(

> > > > Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen

> > > > when I get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to

> > > > taking acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it

> > > > allows for more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the

> > > > gut.(cheaper as well)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2

> > > > small polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am

> > > > still completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS has come back but I'll

> > > > take congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my surgery, the

> > > > first thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally clear and

> > > > clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize that what I am

> > > > taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely helps slow

> > > > the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been fighting them

> > > > for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15 dime

> > > > sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab it

> > > > with my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I believe

> > > > these supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any benefit.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I hope this helps

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Joan,

Is it possible that the culprit is the steroid spray, and not the irrigation?

One or the other rather than both? Steroid sprays tend to hit the same spots in

the nose in concentration over and over again, so it seems to me that they may

be the problem. Perhaps you could try the pulmicort in your irrigation to

replace the spray? It may have a more gentle effect since it " washes " across

the membranes. It is now available generic (budesonide), so is much less

expensive than it was.

Good luck!

Jennie

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Antony here, It's been a while since my last post. I can certainly say

> > > > I learn more from the group of you then anywhere else and I am very

> > > > thankful for it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that

> > > > was full of polyps.(again) It was my 5th one in 12 years. For the last

> > > > 2 years I have been taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however when

> > > > my sinus's flare up, I start taking an oregano based supplement. Three

> > > > weeks before my surgery I took Manuka Honey 3 times per day to help

> > > > break down biofilm in the sinus. Here is what I currently take daily;

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vitamin D

> > > >

> > > > Vitamin C

> > > >

> > > > 2 capsules of Acidophilus

> > > >

> > > > Fish oil

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense and Bio-K(

> > > > Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen

> > > > when I get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to

> > > > taking acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it

> > > > allows for more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the

> > > > gut.(cheaper as well)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2

> > > > small polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am

> > > > still completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS has come back but I'll

> > > > take congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my surgery, the

> > > > first thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally clear and

> > > > clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize that what I am

> > > > taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely helps slow

> > > > the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been fighting them

> > > > for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15 dime

> > > > sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab it

> > > > with my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I believe

> > > > these supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any benefit.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I hope this helps

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jennie,That sounds like a really good idea -- I haven't used pulmicort before and will ask my doctor about it. Thank you for coming up with this.JoanOn Jun 3, 2010, at 9:50 AM, gypsymouse@... wrote:

Joan,

Is it possible that the culprit is the steroid spray, and not the irrigation? One or the other rather than both? Steroid sprays tend to hit the same spots in the nose in concentration over and over again, so it seems to me that they may be the problem. Perhaps you could try the pulmicort in your irrigation to replace the spray? It may have a more gentle effect since it "washes" across the membranes. It is now available generic (budesonide), so is much less expensive than it was.

Good luck!

Jennie

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Antony here, It's been a while since my last post. I can certainly say

> > > > I learn more from the group of you then anywhere else and I am very

> > > > thankful for it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that

> > > > was full of polyps.(again) It was my 5th one in 12 years. For the last

> > > > 2 years I have been taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however when

> > > > my sinus's flare up, I start taking an oregano based supplement. Three

> > > > weeks before my surgery I took Manuka Honey 3 times per day to help

> > > > break down biofilm in the sinus. Here is what I currently take daily;

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vitamin D

> > > >

> > > > Vitamin C

> > > >

> > > > 2 capsules of Acidophilus

> > > >

> > > > Fish oil

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense and Bio-K(

> > > > Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen

> > > > when I get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to

> > > > taking acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it

> > > > allows for more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the

> > > > gut.(cheaper as well)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2

> > > > small polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am

> > > > still completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS has come back but I'll

> > > > take congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my surgery, the

> > > > first thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally clear and

> > > > clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize that what I am

> > > > taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely helps slow

> > > > the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been fighting them

> > > > for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15 dime

> > > > sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab it

> > > > with my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I believe

> > > > these supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any benefit.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I hope this helps

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Eek, I forgot to say this is what happens to me sometimes..I get a sore/ulcer that lasts for weeks, but when I stop using my flixonase for a few days it improves.

I hope yours heals soon.

Becky

From: joan harvey <thomyris7@...>samters Sent: Thu, 3 June, 2010 22:04:50Subject: Re: Re: Probiotics for the sinuses

Jennie, That sounds like a really good idea -- I haven't used pulmicort before and will ask my doctor about it. Thank you for coming up with this.

Joan

On Jun 3, 2010, at 9:50 AM, gypsymouse@rocketma il.com wrote:

Joan,Is it possible that the culprit is the steroid spray, and not the irrigation? One or the other rather than both? Steroid sprays tend to hit the same spots in the nose in concentration over and over again, so it seems to me that they may be the problem. Perhaps you could try the pulmicort in your irrigation to replace the spray? It may have a more gentle effect since it "washes" across the membranes. It is now available generic (budesonide) , so is much less expensive than it was.Good luck!Jennie> > > >> > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Antony here, It's been a while since my last post. I can certainly say> > > > I learn more from the group of you then anywhere else and I am very> > > > thankful for

it. I had surgery Mar 18 2009 to clean out my sinus that> > > > was full of polyps.(again) It was my 5th one in 12 years. For the last> > > > 2 years I have been taking daily acidophilus and fish oils however when> > > > my sinus's flare up, I start taking an oregano based supplement. Three> > > > weeks before my surgery I took Manuka Honey 3 times per day to help> > > > break down biofilm in the sinus. Here is what I currently take daily;> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vitamin D> > > > > > > > Vitamin C> > > > > > > > 2 capsules of Acidophilus> > > > > > > > Fish oil> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the past, I have mentioned that I took Fungal Defense

and Bio-K(> > > > Acidophilus drink). I am still taking the Fungal Defense and Oregosen> > > > when I get congestion and sinus infections however I have started to> > > > taking acidophilus in a pill form as my naturalpath has told me it> > > > allows for more absorption in the intensions as apposed to the> > > > gut.(cheaper as well) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I went to see my ENT on May 18(last week) and with the exception of 2> > > > small polyps( on my worst side) which were too small to cut out, I am> > > > still completely clear. Unfortunately no SOS has come back but I'll> > > > take congestion relief to SOS any day!! When I had my surgery, the> > > > first thing my ENT told me was that my Sinus was exceptionally clear and> >

> > clean. No regular gunk or build up at all. I realize that what I am> > > > taking is not a cure but these supplements have definitely helps slow> > > > the rate of growth in polyps I used to have. I have been fighting them> > > > for 12 years and at each 3 month check up, I used to have 10-15 dime> > > > sized polyps cut out. One time I had one so big that I could grab it> > > > with my fingers. It almost hung out of my nose. Although I believe> > > > these supplements are very helpful, it takes awhile to see any benefit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this helps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >

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