post surgery advice to add to Ken's list....

April 28, 2006

Soniia: You might need a sleeping med and you may also need to be studied in

a sleep lab as well- make sure you don't have a sleep disorder.

Carol

post surgery advice to add to Ken's list....

> If ONLY I could get a good night's sleep but I can't remember the last

> time

> I actually slept through a night.

>

> Avoiding stressful situations - yet another dream of mine.

>

> Now I'm back on prenisone the eating lightly isn't always that easy

> although

> I try to eat healthy and drink lots of juice and water.

>

> My ENT doesn't do desensitization and doesn't believe in irrigation after

> two months post op.

>

> Any suggestions on how to sleep through a night? I don't have caffeine

> and

> never drink after about 6.

>

> It seems to me that in the states, Samters is more easily dealt with than

> in

> Australia.

>

> Hi Ken,

>

> I would add to your list of things to do to stay away from the knife:

>

> * Plenty of sleep (#1 on my list, the more sleep, the better my sense of

> smell)

> * Plenty of time outdoors in fresh air

> * Avoid highly stressful situations

> * Eat lightly

> * Plenty of moderate exercise such as walking (no strenuous exercise).

>

> By the way, I have not been desensitized and Singulair made me sick.

>

> Ellen

>

>>

>> The best thing is to stay away from the knife people as much as possible.

>>

>> Don't talk about the " next surgery " . Talk about the " last surgery " .

>>

>> Desensitization.

>> Irrigation.

>> Steroid nasal sprays.

>> Avoid mold.

>> Dietary adjustments, eg. reduced dairy.

>> . . . add your favorite here . . .

>>

>> Anything but the knife people.

>> I've had one cutting and am determined to have no more.

>>

>> --

>> Ken West

>> Check the library . . .

>> samters/links

>>

>

April 28, 2006

p.s- also silly of your ENT about no irrigations after the first two months.

Many ENT's are poorly informed about irrigation.( about 80 % of them I

think)

post surgery advice to add to Ken's list....

> If ONLY I could get a good night's sleep but I can't remember the last

> time

> I actually slept through a night.

>

> Avoiding stressful situations - yet another dream of mine.

>

> Now I'm back on prenisone the eating lightly isn't always that easy

> although

> I try to eat healthy and drink lots of juice and water.

>

> My ENT doesn't do desensitization and doesn't believe in irrigation after

> two months post op.

>

> Any suggestions on how to sleep through a night? I don't have caffeine

> and

> never drink after about 6.

>

> It seems to me that in the states, Samters is more easily dealt with than

> in

> Australia.

>

> Hi Ken,

>

> I would add to your list of things to do to stay away from the knife:

>

> * Plenty of sleep (#1 on my list, the more sleep, the better my sense of

> smell)

> * Plenty of time outdoors in fresh air

> * Avoid highly stressful situations

> * Eat lightly

> * Plenty of moderate exercise such as walking (no strenuous exercise).

>

> By the way, I have not been desensitized and Singulair made me sick.

>

> Ellen

>

>>

>> The best thing is to stay away from the knife people as much as possible.

>>

>> Don't talk about the " next surgery " . Talk about the " last surgery " .

>>

>> Desensitization.

>> Irrigation.

>> Steroid nasal sprays.

>> Avoid mold.

>> Dietary adjustments, eg. reduced dairy.

>> . . . add your favorite here . . .

>>

>> Anything but the knife people.

>> I've had one cutting and am determined to have no more.

>>

>> --

>> Ken West

>> Check the library . . .

>> samters/links

>>

>

April 28, 2006

Carol, thanks for that bit of advice, only problem is I underwent a sleep

lab test last year and they said only very mild sleep apnea. Occasionally I

take Normison sleeping tablets for three nights running, probably about

every couple of months as the last thing I want to is to become dependant on

them.

Would it be too late to start irrigating again? It's been 11 months since

my surgery and the doctor put me back on a short dose of pred. just to keep

on top of things as we go into cold weather. I've also had a flu shot as

well.

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list....

Soniia: You might need a sleeping med and you may also need to be studied in

a sleep lab as well- make sure you don't have a sleep disorder.

Carol

post surgery advice to add to Ken's list....

> If ONLY I could get a good night's sleep but I can't remember the last

> time

> I actually slept through a night.

>

> Avoiding stressful situations - yet another dream of mine.

>

> Now I'm back on prenisone the eating lightly isn't always that easy

> although

> I try to eat healthy and drink lots of juice and water.

>

> My ENT doesn't do desensitization and doesn't believe in irrigation after

> two months post op.

>

> Any suggestions on how to sleep through a night? I don't have caffeine

> and

> never drink after about 6.

>

> It seems to me that in the states, Samters is more easily dealt with than

> in

> Australia.

>

> Hi Ken,

>

> I would add to your list of things to do to stay away from the knife:

>

> * Plenty of sleep (#1 on my list, the more sleep, the better my sense of

> smell)

> * Plenty of time outdoors in fresh air

> * Avoid highly stressful situations

> * Eat lightly

> * Plenty of moderate exercise such as walking (no strenuous exercise).

>

> By the way, I have not been desensitized and Singulair made me sick.

>

> Ellen

>

>>

>> The best thing is to stay away from the knife people as much as possible.

>>

>> Don't talk about the " next surgery " . Talk about the " last surgery " .

>>

>> Desensitization.

>> Irrigation.

>> Steroid nasal sprays.

>> Avoid mold.

>> Dietary adjustments, eg. reduced dairy.

>> . . . add your favorite here . . .

>>

>> Anything but the knife people.

>> I've had one cutting and am determined to have no more.

>>

>> --

>> Ken West

>> Check the library . . .

>> samters/links

>>

>

April 28, 2006

My ENT had me stop irrigating a couple months

after my first surgery and then everything went wrong again within a couple

weeks of stopping the irrigation and I had to have a second surgery. He seems

to think too much irrigation will make me get infections or something when the opposite

seemed to happen! I am sticking to irrigating twice a day now and so far

so good! He still seems to think I will be able to stop irrigating some

day but at least for now he is convinced it is good to keep doing as my sinuses

still look great 4.5 months later. My allergist is all for it. Go figure.

So far as I am concerned, it is not hard to do and doesn’t take long and

if I can continue to breathe through my nose, I will do it twice a day for the

rest of my life if I have to!!! It is worth it. It has been so long

since I could regularly breathe through my nose, I’m rather enjoying it

and plan to keep it that way!!!!

K.

Re: post

surgery advice to add to Ken's list....

p.s-

also silly of your ENT about no irrigations after the first two months.

Many ENT's are poorly informed about irrigation.( about 80 % of them I

think)

post surgery advice to add to Ken's list....

> If ONLY I could get a good night's sleep but I can't remember the last

> time

> I actually slept through a night.

>

> Avoiding stressful situations - yet another dream of mine.

>

> Now I'm back on prenisone the eating lightly isn't always that easy

> although

> I try to eat healthy and drink lots of juice and water.

>

> My ENT doesn't do desensitization and doesn't believe in irrigation after

> two months post op.

>

> Any suggestions on how to sleep through a night? I don't have

caffeine

> and

> never drink after about 6.

>

> It seems to me that in the states, Samters is more easily dealt with than

> in

> Australia.

>

> Hi Ken,

>

> I would add to your list of things to do to stay away from the knife:

>

> * Plenty of sleep (#1 on my list, the more sleep, the better my

sense of

> smell)

> * Plenty of time outdoors in fresh air

> * Avoid highly stressful situations

> * Eat lightly

> * Plenty of moderate exercise such as walking (no strenuous

exercise).

>

> By the way, I have not been desensitized and Singulair made me sick.

>

> Ellen

>

>>

>> The best thing is to stay away from the knife people as much as

possible.

>>

>> Don't talk about the " next surgery " . Talk about the

" last surgery " .

>>

>> Desensitization.

>> Irrigation.

>> Steroid nasal sprays.

>> Avoid mold.

>> Dietary adjustments, eg. reduced dairy.

>> . . . add your favorite here . . .

>>

>> Anything but the knife people.

>> I've had one cutting and am determined to have no more.

>>

>> --

>> Ken West

>> Check the library . . .

>> samters/links

>>

>

April 28, 2006

I would love to spend more time outdoors

but unfortunately I am better off staying indoors in the pollen-free air this

time of year! It drives my husband nuts that I refuse to let him open the

windows in the spring, but my allergies are so bad right now, I need somewhere I

can be and not be inundated with pollen!!

When you say “eat lightly” do

you mean eat small meals or something else?

K.

post surgery

advice to add to Ken's list....

Hi

Ken,

I would add to your list of things to do to stay away from the knife:

* Plenty of sleep (#1 on my list, the more sleep, the better my sense of

smell)

* Plenty of time outdoors in fresh air

* Avoid highly stressful situations

* Eat lightly

* Plenty of moderate exercise such as walking (no strenuous exercise).

By the way, I have not been desensitized and Singulair made me sick.

Ellen

>

> The best thing is to stay away from the knife people as much as possible.

>

> Don't talk about the " next surgery " . Talk about the

" last surgery " .

>

> Desensitization.

> Irrigation.

> Steroid nasal sprays.

> Avoid mold.

> Dietary adjustments, eg. reduced dairy.

> . . . add your favorite here . . .

>

> Anything but the knife people.

> I've had one cutting and am determined to have no more.

>

> --

> Ken West

> Check the library . . .

> samters/links

>

April 28, 2006

More stories of doctors winging it.

I've been irrigating for a year now, and I look forward to it more each day.

Thanks .

--

Ken West

Check the library . . .

samters/links

From: " Keefer " <jkeefer@...>

My ENT had me stop irrigating a couple months after my first surgery and

then everything went wrong again within a couple weeks of stopping the

irrigation and I had to have a second surgery. He seems to think too much

irrigation will make me get infections or something when the opposite seemed

to happen! I am sticking to irrigating twice a day now and so far so good!

He still seems to think I will be able to stop irrigating some day but at

least for now he is convinced it is good to keep doing as my sinuses still

look great 4.5 months later. My allergist is all for it. Go figure. So far

as I am concerned, it is not hard to do and doesn¹t take long and if I can

continue to breathe through my nose, I will do it twice a day for the rest

of my life if I have to!!! It is worth it. It has been so long since I

could regularly breathe through my nose, I¹m rather enjoying it and plan to

keep it that way!!!!

K.

April 29, 2006

> From: " " <soniarobins@...>

> Subject: post surgery advice to add to Ken's list....

>

> If ONLY I could get a good night's sleep but I can't remember the last time

> I actually slept through a night.

It's easier to sleep if you are breathing well.

Irrigation helps breathing.

>

> Avoiding stressful situations - yet another dream of mine.

My wife gets to sleep, stress or not, by thinking about what might be going

on in her composting worm bin.

>

> Now I'm back on prenisone the eating lightly isn't always that easy although

> I try to eat healthy and drink lots of juice and water.

>

> My ENT doesn't do desensitization and doesn't believe in irrigation after

> two months post op.

Get a new ENT.

Better still: don't bother going back to any ENT. (All they know is

cutting.)

Deal with it yourself. There's enought info here to do it.

>

> Any suggestions on how to sleep through a night? I don't have caffeine and

> never drink after about 6.

As above.

>

> It seems to me that in the states, Samters is more easily dealt with than in

> Australia.

Easily? Not sure what you mean.

>

> Hi Ken,

>

> I would add to your list of things to do to stay away from the knife:

>

> * Plenty of sleep (#1 on my list, the more sleep, the better my sense of

> smell)

> * Plenty of time outdoors in fresh air

> * Avoid highly stressful situations

> * Eat lightly

> * Plenty of moderate exercise such as walking (no strenuous exercise).

>

> By the way, I have not been desensitized and Singulair made me sick.

>

> Ellen

>

>>

>> The best thing is to stay away from the knife people as much as possible.

>>

>> Don't talk about the " next surgery " . Talk about the " last surgery " .

>>

>> Desensitization.

>> Irrigation.

>> Steroid nasal sprays.

>> Avoid mold.

>> Dietary adjustments, eg. reduced dairy.

>> . . . add your favorite here . . .

>>

>> Anything but the knife people.

>> I've had one cutting and am determined to have no more.

>>

>> --

>> Ken West

>> Check the library . . .

>> samters/links

>>

>

April 30, 2006

: You can resume irrigating anytime-and irrigate as long as you want or

even for a a lifetime. Carol

post surgery advice to add to Ken's list....

>

>> If ONLY I could get a good night's sleep but I can't remember the last

>> time

>> I actually slept through a night.

>>

>> Avoiding stressful situations - yet another dream of mine.

>>

>> Now I'm back on prenisone the eating lightly isn't always that easy

>> although

>> I try to eat healthy and drink lots of juice and water.

>>

>> My ENT doesn't do desensitization and doesn't believe in irrigation after

>> two months post op.

>>

>> Any suggestions on how to sleep through a night? I don't have caffeine

>> and

>> never drink after about 6.

>>

>> It seems to me that in the states, Samters is more easily dealt with than

>> in

>> Australia.

>>

>> Hi Ken,

>>

>> I would add to your list of things to do to stay away from the knife:

>>

>> * Plenty of sleep (#1 on my list, the more sleep, the better my sense of

>> smell)

>> * Plenty of time outdoors in fresh air

>> * Avoid highly stressful situations

>> * Eat lightly

>> * Plenty of moderate exercise such as walking (no strenuous exercise).

>>

>> By the way, I have not been desensitized and Singulair made me sick.

>>

>> Ellen

>>

>>>

>>> The best thing is to stay away from the knife people as much as

>>> possible.

>>>

>>> Don't talk about the " next surgery " . Talk about the " last surgery " .

>>>

>>> Desensitization.

>>> Irrigation.

>>> Steroid nasal sprays.

>>> Avoid mold.

>>> Dietary adjustments, eg. reduced dairy.

>>> . . . add your favorite here . . .

>>>

>>> Anything but the knife people.

>>> I've had one cutting and am determined to have no more.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Ken West

>>> Check the library . . .

>>> samters/links

>>>

>>

April 30, 2006

, when I am having sleep difficulty I often take an antihistamine that

makes me sleepy, it does double duty!

nh

post surgery advice to add to Ken's list....

>

>> If ONLY I could get a good night's sleep but I can't remember the last

>> time

>> I actually slept through a night.

>>

>> Avoiding stressful situations - yet another dream of mine.

>>

>> Now I'm back on prenisone the eating lightly isn't always that easy

>> although

>> I try to eat healthy and drink lots of juice and water.

>>

>> My ENT doesn't do desensitization and doesn't believe in irrigation after

>> two months post op.

>>

>> Any suggestions on how to sleep through a night? I don't have caffeine

>> and

>> never drink after about 6.

>>

>> It seems to me that in the states, Samters is more easily dealt with than

>> in

>> Australia.

>>

>> Hi Ken,

>>

>> I would add to your list of things to do to stay away from the knife:

>>

>> * Plenty of sleep (#1 on my list, the more sleep, the better my sense of

>> smell)

>> * Plenty of time outdoors in fresh air

>> * Avoid highly stressful situations

>> * Eat lightly

>> * Plenty of moderate exercise such as walking (no strenuous exercise).

>>

>> By the way, I have not been desensitized and Singulair made me sick.

>>

>> Ellen

>>

>>>

>>> The best thing is to stay away from the knife people as much as

>>> possible.

>>>

>>> Don't talk about the " next surgery " . Talk about the " last surgery " .

>>>

>>> Desensitization.

>>> Irrigation.

>>> Steroid nasal sprays.

>>> Avoid mold.

>>> Dietary adjustments, eg. reduced dairy.

>>> . . . add your favorite here . . .

>>>

>>> Anything but the knife people.

>>> I've had one cutting and am determined to have no more.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Ken West

>>> Check the library . . .

>>> samters/links

>>>

>>

April 30, 2006

Thanks for that , I'll give it a go. I don't have problem

breathing, I'm being positive here in that my sinus is only very mild lately

but my asthma's another thing. Could be the change in weather (summer to

autumn with lots of rain)but it's the asthma that's waking me at night.

Maybe the prednisone will kick in soon and that'll stop.

As for finding another ENT, that's almost an impossibility as there's one in

my area that I've decided not to go back to because he didn't want to remove

the polyps so I went to the No. 2 in the state about three hours away. The

next option will be the big city which is about five hours away and will

involve accommodation etc. just for a visit and unfortunately not a

financial option.

Thanks again for the advice, I'm certainly willing to try anything.

Re: post surgery advice to add to Ken's list....

, when I am having sleep difficulty I often take an antihistamine that

makes me sleepy, it does double duty!

nh

post surgery advice to add to Ken's list....

>

>> If ONLY I could get a good night's sleep but I can't remember the last

>> time

>> I actually slept through a night.

>>

>> Avoiding stressful situations - yet another dream of mine.

>>

>> Now I'm back on prenisone the eating lightly isn't always that easy

>> although

>> I try to eat healthy and drink lots of juice and water.

>>

>> My ENT doesn't do desensitization and doesn't believe in irrigation after

>> two months post op.

>>

>> Any suggestions on how to sleep through a night? I don't have caffeine

>> and

>> never drink after about 6.

>>

>> It seems to me that in the states, Samters is more easily dealt with than

>> in

>> Australia.

>>

>> Hi Ken,

>>

>> I would add to your list of things to do to stay away from the knife:

>>

>> * Plenty of sleep (#1 on my list, the more sleep, the better my sense of

>> smell)

>> * Plenty of time outdoors in fresh air

>> * Avoid highly stressful situations

>> * Eat lightly

>> * Plenty of moderate exercise such as walking (no strenuous exercise).

>>

>> By the way, I have not been desensitized and Singulair made me sick.

>>

>> Ellen

>>

>>>

>>> The best thing is to stay away from the knife people as much as

>>> possible.

>>>

>>> Don't talk about the " next surgery " . Talk about the " last surgery " .

>>>

>>> Desensitization.

>>> Irrigation.

>>> Steroid nasal sprays.

>>> Avoid mold.

>>> Dietary adjustments, eg. reduced dairy.

>>> . . . add your favorite here . . .

>>>

>>> Anything but the knife people.

>>> I've had one cutting and am determined to have no more.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Ken West

>>> Check the library . . .

>>> samters/links

>>>

>>

May 1, 2006

: The sleeping tablet you take does not cause dependency. One of the

most important things that you need in life with a chronic illness is

adequate sleep. There is a GREAT article/series of articles in the Nesweek

magazine. I am not sure how old- but the front cover is entitled 'Why women

can't sleep'. it is a great article and and is worth looking up and reading.

Even if you sleep apnea is mild now it may be much worse in a yr or two so

keep a close eye on it and remember that night that they studied you is just

one night out of 365 or out of the rest of your life and the rest of them

could be worse so stay alert and if you need to take an actual sleep med -

as in a prescribed med then do it. Carol

post surgery advice to add to Ken's list....

>

>> If ONLY I could get a good night's sleep but I can't remember the last

>> time

>> I actually slept through a night.

>>

>> Avoiding stressful situations - yet another dream of mine.

>>

>> Now I'm back on prenisone the eating lightly isn't always that easy

>> although

>> I try to eat healthy and drink lots of juice and water.

>>

>> My ENT doesn't do desensitization and doesn't believe in irrigation after

>> two months post op.

>>

>> Any suggestions on how to sleep through a night? I don't have caffeine

>> and

>> never drink after about 6.

>>

>> It seems to me that in the states, Samters is more easily dealt with than

>> in

>> Australia.

>>

>> Hi Ken,

>>

>> I would add to your list of things to do to stay away from the knife:

>>

>> * Plenty of sleep (#1 on my list, the more sleep, the better my sense of

>> smell)

>> * Plenty of time outdoors in fresh air

>> * Avoid highly stressful situations

>> * Eat lightly

>> * Plenty of moderate exercise such as walking (no strenuous exercise).

>>

>> By the way, I have not been desensitized and Singulair made me sick.

>>

>> Ellen

>>

>>>

>>> The best thing is to stay away from the knife people as much as

>>> possible.

>>>

>>> Don't talk about the " next surgery " . Talk about the " last surgery " .

>>>

>>> Desensitization.

>>> Irrigation.

>>> Steroid nasal sprays.

>>> Avoid mold.

>>> Dietary adjustments, eg. reduced dairy.

>>> . . . add your favorite here . . .

>>>

>>> Anything but the knife people.

>>> I've had one cutting and am determined to have no more.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Ken West

>>> Check the library . . .

>>> samters/links

>>>

>>

May 1, 2006

Carol, thankyou for the information. I didn't realize that Normison isn't

addictive and I guess I've always been a little concerned about taking them

as I had a friend who became addictive to sleeping tablets years ago.

I'll certainly keep a close eye on it and I've asked family members to let

me know if I have a particularly bad night and have started to keep a diary

for future reference.

Thanks again