Guest guest Posted August 20, 1999 Report Share Posted August 20, 1999 You mean this guy is a CHIROPRACTOR saying this? What school did HE go to? Even one of my chiros who is about 60 years old knows about vaccine harm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 1999 Report Share Posted August 20, 1999 Here's the Money Magazine story to discredit him. <man he sure talks out his hind end doesn't he? " There's vitually no money to be made in vaccines.. " plz Queen Earth wrote: > From: " Queen Earth " <queenearth@...> > > I went to the " Fear Mongering " site and want to share with you the email I > sent and his response. > > <from queenearth@...> > > <<It seems the medical community tries to instill " fear " into parents to > vaccinate their children immediately without giving them a chance to do > their own research and without telling them of the dangers involved (and > they do exist!). Fear tactics are widely used to get parents to vaccinate > their children. If the medical community cannot instill enough fear, what > do they do? They get the government to make it " unlawful " not to abide by > what pharmaceutical companies and their investors want...with hardly a > mention of exemptions. > > It does not matter to me what is said or done to discredit a person who > tells the other side of the story. I will still make my own decisions. It > doesn't matter how many degrees one has or how much research one has done, > it's more a matter of common sense and freedom to choose. > > Queen Earth>> > > His Response: > > << > > It seems the medical community tries to instill " fear " into parents to > > vaccinate their children immediately without giving them a chance to do > > their own research and without telling them of the dangers involved (and > > they do exist!). Fear tactics are widely used to get parents to vaccinate > > their children. > > Thank you for your note. While I am unclear what prompted your > note I do appreciate your taking the trouble to correspond. I would > agree that 'fear tactics' are used to promote immunization. I differ > perhaps only in that I feel there is an abundance of evidence to > substantiate those fears. A child asphyxiating from whooping > cough, or suffering brain damage from measles is a fearful thing. > > I object to the exaggeration and misrepresentation and 'fear- > mongering' so prevalent in the anti-vaccine movement. I > acknowledge reasonable concerns exist, but these people seem to > blame virtually all of society's ills on immunization and ignore the > tremendous gains in children's health and life expectancy that have > resulted directly from immunization. > > > If the medical community cannot instill enough fear, what > > do they do? They get the government to make it " unlawful " not to abide by > > what pharmaceutical companies and their investors want...with hardly a > > mention of exemptions. > > Although you have offered no evidence to support your assertions, I > fail to see much outward sign that pharmaceutical companies are > pushing excessively. Kline, makers of the MMR vaccine, > derives only a very small percentage of their income from vaccine > sales. In fact their corporate reports reveal more income from > mouthwash, toothpaste, etc. than from vaccines. Not that > vaccines aren't big business, but I feel it is unreasonable to > assume that the profit motive is present anymore there than in any > other product. > > > It does not matter to me what is said or done to discredit a person who > > tells the other side of the story. I will still make my own decisions. > > It doesn't matter how many degrees one has or how much research one has > > done, it's more a matter of common sense and freedom to choose. > > I suggest 'the other side of the story' is the side opposite whereever > one happens to be. I chose to present 'the other side' simply > because I noticed a complete absence of information available that > presented the 'dark side' of some of the individuals involved in the > anti-vaccine movement and the horrific misinformation they > propagate. The anti-vaccine authors and speakers have had a free > and unopposed run for years where they could attack and slander > honest researchers with impunity. I have noticed that several have > howled now that they are getting a 'dose of their own medicine.' > > I do agree with your determination to make your own decisions, > and that degrees are irrelevant. That's why I have objected to > individuals like Coulter and Viera Scheibner being referred to > as 'doctor' when they have no training in the health sciences. It > seems they are quite willing to exaggerate their own degree status > for personal gain. > > I also agree with you that common sense is needed, only that > common sense is not so common and seems too often to be little > more than a reflection of one's own biases, of which we all have > plenty. > > And I agree that informed freedom of choice if lacking. The longer I > deal with this issue the more convinced I am of immunization's > benefits, and that it should be a voluntary process devoid of > coercion or well-intended but misquided mandates. > > At some point, when I get caught up, I intend to add a section to > my web site on the above issues. Perhaps you would be willing to > critique it and offer suggestions? > > Best wishes, > Lon , DC>> > > My final word: > > <<Hello and thank you for taking the time to respond to my email. > > I agree that the disease itself can be a terrible experience which can > sometimes lead to death but there is evidence, parent testimonials of their > dead or injured children, court documents and pharmaceutical inserts which > suggests that vaccine injury can be just as devastating. > > My 11 yr. old son, following a vaccine several years ago, ended up in the > hospital for 2 weeks with high fever and seizures. At the time I did not > relate it to the vaccination nor did the hospital staff mention anything > about a possible vaccine side effect. However, over the years I took the > liberty of reading about side affects and learning as much as I could about > it and my common sense made me question the safety of vaccines. I vowed if > I ever had another child that I would not subject her to vaccinations. > > My second child is now 2.6 years old, was born premature (6 weeks early > weighing 4 lbs..) and is vaccine free. She has never suffered from any of > the so-called " normal " childhood diseases or disorders, maybe a minor cold > which I treated with a natural remedy. On the other hand, my son had > fevers, ear infections, colic and to date still suffers from severe > headaches. > > Although the intention of vaccination is to prevent a certain disease, I do > believe that vaccines play a major role in other illnesses that children > encounter. I do not advocate not vaccinating but always insist to parents > to do some research in order to understand the risks as well as the benefits > and be able to make an informed choice for their loved ones. > > The " dark side " of the individual is not relevant to me, only the dark side > of vaccinations. I've been hearing about the benefits for years and years > and the risks were not explained, not to me anyway. So I tend to appreciate > information from the " other side " just a bit more. > > <<At some point, when I get caught up, I intend to add a section to > my web site on the above issues. Perhaps you would be willing to > critique it and offer suggestions?>> > > I will be happy to participate! > > Blessings, > Queen Earth>> > > ________________________________________________________ > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 1999 Report Share Posted August 20, 1999 Ugh! On webtv I can't pull up that attachment with the Money Mag article on that guy, If anyone knows of a website I can look at it at, please let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 1999 Report Share Posted August 20, 1999 Money Magazine Article (very good) http://www.mindspring.com/~schlafly/vac/money.txt I didn't even think about that problem on webtv. We've been thinking of getting it but I think I like being able to open attachments. Thanks for the info! Kel DeMaio wrote: > From: austinsmom@... ( DeMaio) > > Ugh! On webtv I can't pull up that attachment with the Money Mag > article on that guy, If anyone knows of a website I can look at it at, > please let me know. > > > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 1999 Report Share Posted August 20, 1999 Thanks ! BTW, we CAN open some attachments on web tv, but they usually have to end in gif or jpg, I think. I love my web tv - looking at a big screen instead of a small one, relaxing on the couch to read things :-) - I just don't like not having a place to file emails, We have a " save " area, but once it's full, you're out of luck, On mine, though, I get all six email addresses to myself, so that opens up alot of space. But right now mine's shut off and I''m at my moms, and only have one address. The ideal would be to have web and a computer, though, which I hope to have soon! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 1999 Report Share Posted August 20, 1999 I kind of skimmed through this article quickly until I could read it in depth. But didn't see the part that discredits the guy with the fear monger website? Am I missing it? Or is it debunking what he claims, in general? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 1999 Report Share Posted August 20, 1999 It's a big article. From memory, it goes into depth the finical end and how's it's a billion dollar industry. You kinda have to read the whole thing. It's actully a very very good article, especially from mainstrem media. DeMaio wrote: > I kind of skimmed through this article quickly until I could read it in > depth. But didn't see the part that discredits the guy with the fear > monger website? Am I missing it? Or is it debunking what he claims, in > general? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Re: Fear Mongering > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:18:33 -0700 > From: " M. Larsen, LM " <midwife1@...> > Reply-Vaccinationsonelist > Organization: Genesis Midwifery - Vaccine Information Network of Arizona - > http://www.azavenue.com/kelly/midwife.htm > Vaccinationsonelist > References: <12613-37BDAF96-12701@...> > > From: " M. Larsen, LM " <midwife1@...> > > Money Magazine Article (very good) > http://www.mindspring.com/~schlafly/vac/money.txt > I didn't even think about that problem on webtv. We've been thinking of > getting it but I think I like being able to open attachments. Thanks for the > info! > > Kel > > DeMaio wrote: > > > From: austinsmom@... ( DeMaio) > > > > Ugh! On webtv I can't pull up that attachment with the Money Mag > > article on that guy, If anyone knows of a website I can look at it at, > > please let me know. > > > > > > > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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