Re: Tylenol/Motrin for fever

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In a message dated 8/31/99 9:41:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CDrum4@...

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> From: CDrum4@...

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> In a message dated 08/31/1999 8:37:35 PM Central Daylight Time,

> Cmermer@... writes:

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> <<

> Is it OK to give both Tylenol and Motrin at the same time? Was he in

> really

> bad shape? Did he not respond to the Tylenol? I'm a bit confused since

> 100-101 seems like such a low grade fever.

> >>

>

> Yes,it is...if it is needed. Motrin is generally only to be used for a

fever

> of 102 or more though. Two winters ago when my kids had the flu my ped

said

> to alternate the tylenol and motrin...for some reason they work better

that

> way rather than just constantly giving the same one dose after dose.

> Cicely

>

>

I personally don't trust the safety of these medicines. We only use Tylenol

at night if one of the girls can't sleep due to a high fever. We have never

used Motrin or any other OTC drug besides Tylenol. These fever-reducing

drugs only provide symptomatic relief and do not provide any health benefit.

I also think fever is a very important mechanism of the body's immune system

and should not be suppressed unless absolutely necessary.

Cory

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Cory:

I learned the hard way and use strictly homeopathics for fevers now.

When my son was 15 months, he had a cold that lasted 2 weeks and a fever

that lasted a week, I think. I gave into my mom and gave him tylenol to

bring the fever down. It just raised higher after it wore off (obviously

NOT stimulating the body to help heal itself) When I tried homeopathics

a few days later, they didn't work as well because his system was

clogged with the tylenol, I think. Now I try belladonna first, and it

usually works.

Also, I think the ibuprofens are suppose to be used more for fevers

because they address inflammations, which most fevers are caused from.

And for me, the tylenol didn't seem to help as much as the advil did (I

had tried that too :-) ) I'm so glad I don't have to rely on any of that

garbage any more!

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In a message dated 08/31/1999 9:53:57 PM Central Daylight Time,

Cmermer@... writes:

<< These fever-reducing

drugs only provide symptomatic relief and do not provide any health benefit.

I also think fever is a very important mechanism of the body's immune system

and should not be suppressed unless absolutely necessary. >>

Yes,it *is* only symptomatic relief,but when your child is miserable from the

fever it is a most welcome relief for them and for me. Lowering the fever

does not reduce the body's response to fighting whatever it is it is

fighting...at least that is what " they " are saying now. (Dr.Sears,etc..)

Cicely

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In a message dated 99-09-01 07:35:12 EDT, you write:

<< Yes,it *is* only symptomatic relief,but when your child is miserable from

the

fever it is a most welcome relief for them and for me. Lowering the fever

does not reduce the body's response to fighting whatever it is it is

fighting...at least that is what " they " are saying now. (Dr.Sears,etc..)

Cicely >>

I understand that it provides welcome relief and I am not condemning you or

anyone for using them. Just wanted to make sure that everyone realizes all

the facts. I am not that confident about the assertion of not reducing the

body's response. I have seen some studies that say the opposite. I will try

to find and post them. Take care.

Cory

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In a message dated 09/01/1999 7:04:57 AM Central Daylight Time,

Cmermer@... writes:

<<

I understand that it provides welcome relief and I am not condemning you or

anyone for using them. Just wanted to make sure that everyone realizes all

the facts. I am not that confident about the assertion of not reducing the

body's response. I have seen some studies that say the opposite. I will

try

to find and post them. Take care.

>>

Yes,I understand this side of it too....

I would definitely be interested in reading info you have on it..thanks.

Cicely

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In a message dated 09/01/1999 7:44:20 AM Central Daylight Time,

pienaar@... writes:

<<

I don't discount the fact that in some instances, drugs may be necessary.

But in my opinion, normal fevers should not be suppressed. When my kids get a

fever, I get them to sleep as much as possible and give them freshly squeezed

fruit juices. It has worked for us so far (touch wood!)

Anyways, something to think about.

>>

Yes,it is something to think about. I am right in the middle of getting the

kids breakfast but as soon as i have a chance today I will look and post what

i find on the " other " side. I know that a fever is not to be feared and

should be seen as a good thing,but if you can lower the fever,and therefore

the ill feelings from the fever, *without* causing the body to stop fighting

the infection,then I would welcome the relief tylenol would bring. Now,if

that isn't the case,then I would not want to be using it. Anyway,like I

said,I will write more later....

Cicely

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Ok,I have just a minute to write a little about this....Of course when you

know you read things and then go searching for them you can *never* find what

you are looking for but I did find one small thing. It is in my " When to call

the doctor " book and I quote:

" IT IS NOT TRUE THAT treating a fever might impair the body's ability to

fight infection. Although fever is one part of the body's defenses against

infection, lowering a fever does *not* impair children with normal immune

systems. If your child is uncomfortable with a fever,you won't do any harm by

trying to lower it. "

Now,I realize that just because this is what the book says does *not* make it

true,just as I believe that with *any* book. This is the same situation with

any other controversial issue...you can find supporting arguements for both

sides and both sides have good,what appears to be correct,info...the problem

is trying to decide which side is right which seems to be an endless task. I

guess you just need to take it illness by illness and try to determine what

is in the best interest of your child at the time. As I was searching for

this info I came across some things that said when your child has a fever the

bacteria cannot survive at the high temperatures and therefore are killed and

new bacteria are not allowed to enter or survive...now that makes perfect

sense to me and it seems like if you were lowering the fever than that

wouldn't hold true anymore...so,like I said,it's hard to know what is really

right!

I will see if i can come up with any more...

cicely

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In a message dated 09/01/1999 11:09:42 AM Central Daylight Time,

austinsmom@... writes:

<<

For an alternative to conv meds for making kids more comfortable if they

have a higher fever or can't sleep or are really miserable, try Hylands

combination fever remedy. It will help lower the fever without

interfering with the body's response system. T >>

Ok,now I have a question.....if we are talking about whether or not just

lowering the fever is a good or bad thing and someone decides they want to

lower their child's fever,what difference does it make if it's tylenol or

something from Hylands? That is an honest question. I mean,just plain tylenol

seems pretty benign to me compared to all of the other OTC medications out

there. (like cold med's,etc..) Now,I would always rather go for what is more

natural if there is a choice,but like I said,what is in tylenol that isn't in

the other " stuff " that would be a negative? I am really asking because I have

no idea.

Thanks

Cicely

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Cicely,

Can you show us what " they " are saying now? (Dr. Sears, etc...)

From my understanding, fevers are beneficial to the body because raised body

temperatures promote conditions to actively eliminate toxins and bugs from the

system. That is what a fever is designed to do.

Dr. Mendelsohn (pediatrician) has a great section on fevers in his book " How to

Raise a Healthy Child In Spite of Your Doctor " . He sais:

Fact No. 10: MEASURES TO REDUCE TEMPERATURE, SUCH AS DRUGS OR SPONGING, ARE

WORSE THAN UNNECESSARY, THEY ARE ACTUALLY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.

If your child contracts an infection, the fever that accompanies it is a

blessing, not a curse. It occurs because of the spontaneous release of pryogens

that cause the body temparture to rise. This is a natural defence mechanism that

our bodies employ to fight disease. The presence of fever tells you that the

repair mechanisms of the body have gone into high gear.

The process works like this: When an infeciton develops, your child's body

responds my manufacturing additional white blood cells, called leucocytes. They

destroy bacteria and viruses and remove damaged tissue and irritating materials

from the body. The activity of th white cells is also increased, and they move

more rapidly to the site of the infection. This part of the process, called

leucotaxis, is stimulated by the release of the pyrogens that raise the body

temperature. Hence the fever. A rising body temperature simply indicates that

the process of healing is speeding up. It is something to rejoice over, not to

fear.

But that isn't all that's happening. Iron, which many germs need in order to

thrive, is being removed from the blood and stored in the liver. This reduces

the rate at which the bacteria multiply. the action of interferon, a

disease-fighting substance produced naturally in the body, also becomes more

effective.

Artificially induced fevers have been used in laboratory experiments with

animals to demonstrate this process. Elevated temperatures decrease the death

rate among animals infected with disease, but if their body temperatures are

lowered, more of them die. Artificially induced temperatures have actually been

used for many years to treat disease in humans that do not normally produce

fevers themselves.

If your child had a fever resulting from infection, resist the temptation to use

drugs or sponging to bring it down. Let the fever run its course. If parental

sympathy impels you to do something to relive your child's discomfort, sponge

him off with tepid water or give him one tablet of acetaminophen of the strength

recommended for his age. Do nothing beyond that unless thefever persists for

more than three days, or other symptoms develop, or your child looks and acts

really sick. In that event, see your doctor.

I don't discount the fact that in some instances, drugs may be necessary. But in

my opinion, normal fevers should not be suppressed. When my kids get a fever, I

get them to sleep as much as possible and give them freshly squeezed fruit

juices. It has worked for us so far (touch wood!)

Anyways, something to think about.

Sebastiana.

>In a message dated 99-09-01 07:35:12 EDT, you write:

>

><< Yes,it *is* only symptomatic relief,but when your child is miserable from

>the

> fever it is a most welcome relief for them and for me. Lowering the fever

> does not reduce the body's response to fighting whatever it is it is

> fighting...at least that is what " they " are saying now. (Dr.Sears,etc..)

> Cicely >>

>

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In a message dated 9/1/99 9:27:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, CDrum4@...

writes:

<< I mean,just plain tylenol

seems pretty benign to me compared to all of the other OTC medications out

there. (like cold med's,etc..) Now,I would always rather go for what is more

natural if there is a choice,but like I said,what is in tylenol that isn't

in

the other " stuff " that would be a negative? I am really asking because I

have

no idea. >>

I have always been told that tylenol is toxic to the liver depending on

dosage/size of person.So who really knows what amount is safe?Like I said I

used it for dd,but I won't anymore.I don't know much about acetaminophen.Lot

of other ingredients in tylenol that might also not be so good for the

body.Don't have time to type 'em out,dd is cryin'.....

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In a message dated 09/01/1999 11:45:14 AM Central Daylight Time,

Mum2nini@... writes:

<< I have always been told that tylenol is toxic to the liver depending on

dosage/size of person.So who really knows what amount is safe?Like I said I

used it for dd,but I won't anymore.I don't know much about acetaminophen.Lot

of other ingredients in tylenol that might also not be so good for the

body.Don't have time to type 'em out,dd is cryin'.....

>>

Yes,I know that if you take something like multiple pills day after day after

day they say it can damage the liver,but I am just talking about the normal

dose,you know? I read in my Dr.Sears book that you would actually have to

take *15* times the normal dose at one time to do any harm. I looked at my

list of ingredients on the bottle and they are: Butylparaben, Cellulose,

Citric Acid, Corn Syrup, Flavors, Glycerin, Propylene Glycol, Purified

water, Sodium Benzoate, Sorbitol, Xanthan Gum, FD & C Blue #1 and D & C Red #33.

That is a lot of " stuff " but I have no idea what it all is. I am not trying

to contradict anyone..just trying to figure out what would be the best thing

myself. I do know that when I was sick with the flu and was battling trying

to keep my fever under 102 (because I was pregnant) I felt absolutely

**miserable** and felt SO much better after my tylenol. SOmetimes I would not

take it because I was concerned I was taking too much being pregnant and all

but the OB said the too much tylenol was a lot better for the baby than my

fever was so I continued to take it and it made a huge difference in the way

I felt when it would bring my fever down. If I can help my kids not feel so

miserable,*without * doing any harm, by lowering their fever then that is

what i would want to do because I know how miserable it is to have a fever.

But,I guess that's the question....whether or not it is a bad thing or good

thing.

cicely

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In a message dated 09/01/1999 12:53:09 PM Central Daylight Time,

austinsmom@... writes:

<<

So THAT is the difference between conv meds and alt meds - Natural

substances vs unnatural substances. I want to save putting conv meds in

my body for when it's absolutely necessary and there is nothing that alt

med can do ( >>

That was my real question...whether or not the alt meds used natural

substances or if they had some of the same things that the OTC meds had. I

agree that I only want to use conv meds when absolutely necessary so now my

next question.....is there a natural fever lowering med? I know you mentioned

hylands,is there anything else and if so,what is it? I mean,do they really

work?If so,there is no question as to which I would choose. I think the less

conv and OTC meds the better! And I know what you mean about Dr.Sears still

being a conv. doctor...I just figured he would know a lot more about whether

tylenol is safe than i would since he *is* the doctor. I know they know

nothing when it comes to BF,optimal nutrition,etc..but when it comes to med's

I would think he would know what he was talking about,but I am sure he

doesn't know much about alt meds or he would practice using them,but then

again I have *no* idea what he does or doesn't know LOL!

Anyway,thanks for any info...

Cicely

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Yes,,I hear you... about everything you said!! (too much to quote )

I am all for alt meds and I completely agree that doctors really don't have

any idea about the true dangers of all they prescribe,vaxxing,etc..or if they

do know,they sure don't want anyone to know they know! I think I may have

given the wrong impression or something...I am not all for using OTC drugs

and I do not reach for them without thinking about it. The only one I *would*

reach for would be the tylenol or motrin,but just by having this

conversation,I would rethink that now and search for something better. I want

to learn all that I can and all that I need to about alt medicine and

homeopathy,etc...especially since I will not be vaccinating. So,what are the

absolute *best* books on this? Do you have any suggestions? I have heard good

things about " How to raise a healthy child in spite of your doctor " or

something to that effect...is that a good one?

I just didn't see tylenol as being a harmful thing...still not sure if I

do,but like I said,I would much rather use something that is natural,I just

don't have any idea of what that would be at this point...I am new to all of

this.

cicely

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In a message dated 09/01/1999 2:34:55 PM Central Daylight Time,

austinsmom@... writes:

<<

Actually, Dr. Sears is probably one of the few who DOES know more about

bf and nutrition. But I think he probably only knows about the same when

it comes to meds, which is basically whatever the mfgs and fda say. I've

always said, if he just promoted alt med and no-vax he would be my hero!

:-) >>

Yes,that would be great if he would be all for no-vax!! I know that he knows

a lot about BF...I so love his books! Actually,he is the one who got me

thinking about this whole vax issue in the first place! I had asked him if he

would recommend giving a newborn the hep b shot (didn't know a thing about it

then) and he said " no! " so that is what got me started in researching

vacc's,etc..I do know that even though he is pro-vax he still supports those

who choose not to. He only pushes the hib.

Cicely

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I agree.. I knew that when my son's temp came back HIGHER than it was

before I gave him the stuff, all it did was SUPRESS the body's response

so that it had to come back even stronger when it wore off.

For an alternative to conv meds for making kids more comfortable if they

have a higher fever or can't sleep or are really miserable, try Hylands

combination fever remedy. It will help lower the fever without

interfering with the body's response system. The great thing about combo

remedies is that you don't have to know alot about homeopathy because

they combine several of the remedies known for fevers and whichever are

the ones your child doesn't need, the body doesn't react to and won't

hurt your child in any way. They're safe for even the smallest infants.

I know it's hard because fevers rise in the evening just when the child

wants to sleep.

I don't know if thuja is in the combo remedy, but this is usually a good

remedy for vaccine reactions.

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In a message dated 09/01/1999 2:59:22 PM Central Daylight Time,

austinsmom@... writes:

<<

Hope this info helps! If you want to join my newsletter list (it's free

and by email) just let me know!

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Thanks for all the info ..I would love to get your newsletter...sign me

up! THanks,Cicely

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Well, I had know idea that propylene glycol was in tylenol, but now

that i know, I'm definitely staying clear of the stuff! I know that pg

is found in alot of foods, which horrifies me, and since finding out

about it I've tried to stay clear of it wherever I can. (Read more about

it on my newsletter at

http://www.geocities.com/hotsprings/sauna/6870/page10.html)

I'm not a chemist so I don't know about the other ingredients in

tylenol, but all I know is that I just don't trust anything that has any

kind of man-made chemicals in them, especially from pharmaceutical

companies. Food colorings are one of the worst additives - why do they

need to add it to medicine? So it " looks " better for the kids to take?

(yeah, that'll make the difference)

Anything that has the potential to do liver damage, especially when it

comes from a drug or chemical, even if it's " only " in excessive amounts,

I just don't feel comfortable putting in my body. There are so many

drugs that the FDA approves before they're thoroughly tested, it's

amazing. So I don't trust them for anything.

So when there's a natural alternative, I'm trying that first. I don't

know about the whole lowering thing, that's why I said to still only use

homeopathics when really necessary. But I DO know that homeopathics are

much safer than any acetominophens or ibuprofens. (Remember, as great as

Dr, Sears is with parenting style, he's still a conventional doc and

believes that vaccines are safe!)

Because they use energy - they don't actually have any " physical "

properties to them, except lactose. (Thus is why docs think they're just

sugar pills) A small amount of the physical property of the plant or

mineral that they use is used in the very beginning of the process. Then

that is diluted - then that is diluted again - and again. So that by the

time you get down to whatever potency you're using, there usually isn't

any of the physical substance left. The more times they dilute it, the

more energy it has and the more potent it is.

I know, that sounds REALLY bizarre, It did to me too. But I've had

several successes and they are amazing (one with a gooseegg on my son's

head that, literally, disappeared before my eyes - newsletter #6 :-) -

http://www.geocities.com/hotsprings/sauna/6870/page6.html )

So THAT is the difference between conv meds and alt meds - Natural

substances vs unnatural substances. I want to save putting conv meds in

my body for when it's absolutely necessary and there is nothing that alt

med can do (like anesthesia if you require surgery) If I'm in a car

accident, yes I want the docs to repair what may be broken that no

amount of herbs can fix. BUT I also want arnica and rescue remedy in my

IV! :-)

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Re: The book. Conv med books are going to say things like that because

what else do they have to offer except drugs? If a fever is the body's

first line of defense against an organism, what happens when it can't

function like that? It has to go on the next line of defense which

prolongs the illness further, I would think, and by then a virus can

lead to an infection.

The same types of books will say " IT IS NOT TRUE THAT vaccines cause

learning diabilities, allergies, asthma, etc. " Docs can't offer

nutritional help, etc. because they don't learn this stuff in med

school. They only learn about drugs. Heck, they don't even learn what's

IN the drugs they give! (Like that story that was just posted about milk

protein being given to a kid with milk allergies!) I was on the pill for

10 years and they never once told me that it depletes the body of B

vitamins, so to take an extra complex. Yet they write out prescriptions

or tell you to take OTC's like THEY'RE sugar pills.

Big industry says the same thing about the chemicals in our personal

care products, etc. When something is bleached, it creates dioxins, and

dioxins are not good for anyone. Then they want you to put something

like a tampon INSIDE you with those dioxins, not to mention the

pesticides that were put on the cotton crop to begin with. BUT the

alternative is to spend more money on making products that are natural

or organic farming, which we know what happens when something costs more

money!

I think anyone that questions vaccines will eventually question

everything because if you can't trust them with what's going into a

newborn infant, how can you trust them with anything else? And that's

why I say everyone should learn something about alt med because

otherwise you feel like what can you do without drugs and to combat the

diseases if your child does get them? I wouldn't have half the

confidence in my decision not to vaccinate if I didn't feel like there

were better alternatives to preventing and treating illness. I'd be

afraid of the vax AND I'd be afraid of the diseases. That's what I love

about it - it works WITH the body to heal, not against it because it

can't recognize some chemical that's put into the midst of the crisis.

[Guest guest]

Actually, Dr. Sears is probably one of the few who DOES know more about

bf and nutrition. But I think he probably only knows about the same when

it comes to meds, which is basically whatever the mfgs and fda say. I've

always said, if he just promoted alt med and no-vax he would be my hero!

:-)

Since my son's bad fever at 15 months when I used the OTCs, he hasn't

had another one, so I'm not real sure on all the alternatives. He did

start to get one back in July in the late afternoon. It was about 100 I

think, but it didn't bother him much. I gave him a few doses of a remedy

from my first aid kit and by late evening, it was gone.

I will ask my friend who is pretty knowledgable about it. Or maybe

someone here who has their Smart Medicine book handy can tell what it

says. There hasn't been too much to offer in alt meds in terms of pain

relief until now. I know for adults there's a product called Inflavanoid

Intensive Care that's good for all inflammations. I plan on using that

in place of tylenol for any pain for myself. It only comes in tabs, so

it's not good for kids unless you grind them up and put them in juice. I

think all the herbs would be safe for kids, but I'd have to double check

in my books when I get them out of storage.

It's important to try to kick something in the butt before it develops

or gets bad. If I feel flu symptoms coming on, I'll load up on herbs and

take oscilliccoscenum - a homeopathic flu remedy. At the first signs of

a sore throat, treat it with a remedy to stimulate the immune system

BEFORE it leads to a fever and more symptoms.

And of course throughout an illness and as a preventative, you can use

herbs like ecchinacea and astragalus to further help the system fight it

off. I give my son Herbs for Kids ecc and astragalus combo for one week,

twice a month during the cold and flu season to keep his system strong.

I'm even taking it myself once a month right now during my pregnancy to

keep me healthy. The more " good " , cleansing stuff you can put in a body

the more it can counteract the bad stuff (even just stress) that gets in

before it develops to a lowered immune system and illness. (Too bad we

as adults can't drink breastmilk! :-) )

Again, the important thing with fevers is to treat them naturally and

let them run their course if it doesn't make the child too

uncomfortable. I think kids have higher pain thresholds than us - they

can play even when they're sick. So try not to intervene until it's

necessary. But again, I don't hesitate using homeopathics because I know

that they aid the body.

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Cicely:

Books? My newsletter #2 gives my reccomendations :-)

http://www.geocities.com/hotsprings/sauna/6870/page2.html

I'm sure others here can suggest many more.

Dr. Mendelsohn's book is excellent too., though it doesn't talk about

alt med per se, but more on the pitfalls of modern med. (Basically he

crticizes his own career field!) I would really look for a homeopath or

naturopath in your area. They can be a great source of help. If there

are none, than at least a good chiropractor.They sometimes know alot

about herbs and homeopathics too. You can find lots of info, including

what to look for in a chiro, at my newsletter site. (Substitute

'index.html " for the " page2.html " above and that will take you to the

first one) Health food stores would be a good place to find referrals

too. Even my phone book has a heading (where it breaks docs down to

their specialties) of " homeopathcs " .

Oh, I have to tell you. I get these things I call " leg aches " . I think

it's a form of arthritis because they occur in my joints, knees, ankles,

wrists, and usually when there is damp weather. They usually come on in

the middle of the night and increase in intensity, like a slow aching.

Before, I would feel it coming on and pop a tylenol, put heat on it, and

watch tv trying to distract from the pain until the tylenol finally

worked - at least a half hour later. Well, I recently found a remedy for

it, and when I feel one coming, I pop 4 of those pills, and within five

minutes, it's completely gone before it ever gets really bad. This is

really amazing because nothing has ever cured them before other than

aspirin stuff. I used to get them often so now I'm SO glad I'm not

having to use tylenol for them any more, especially during pregnancy.

Hope this info helps! If you want to join my newsletter list (it's free

and by email) just let me know!

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In a message dated 9/1/99 6:44:14 AM CST, pienaar@... writes:

<< I don't discount the fact that in some instances, drugs may be necessary.

But in my opinion, normal fevers should not be suppressed. When my kids get a

fever, I get them to sleep as much as possible and give them freshly squeezed

fruit juices. It has worked for us so far (touch wood!) >>

I'm glad this subject is going around. My 17 month old son is running a

pretty low grade fever. Hasn't been higher than 100.7 for about 36 hours or

so. I haven't given him anything for it. He isn't acting like he feels bad.

What I am wondering about is a few things. First, could the fever be caused

by his thrush which is starting to come out in a pimply diaper rash? And is

it ok that he isn't drinking from his cup? Also what is belladonna?

TIA

Dani

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In a message dated 9/1/99 10:09:51 AM CST, austinsmom@... writes:

<< I agree.. I knew that when my son's temp came back HIGHER than it was

before I gave him the stuff, all it did was SUPRESS the body's response

so that it had to come back even stronger when it wore off. >>

You see thats seems strange. When my daughter was smaller (around 13 months)

she got fevers ALL THE TIME. We once spent $500 at the docs office just to

be told that there was no known reason for her fever, that it was probably

just a viral infection. Anyway, my point is, that I gave her tylenol and her

fever got higher. A nurse at the docs office told me that when fevers did

that after meds it only meant that she was going to spike a higher fever

anyway. I know realize what everyone is saying that a high fever kills the

germs and such. It really makes sense, but at what point do you say its high

enough, I need to try something else. My daughter would get fevers as high

as 105 on a thermometer that I know worked fine.

Dani

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In a message dated 9/1/99 10:45:14 AM CST, Mum2nini@... writes:

<< I have always been told that tylenol is toxic to the liver depending on

dosage/size of person. >>

I was once told that it would take a baby taking a LOT of tylenol before they

would OD on it. Is this the same thing you are talking about?

Dani

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If your son has a diaper rash try grapefruit seed extract to get rid of the

thrush, it will work wonders.

Theresa

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In a message dated 9/2/99 6:11:08 PM CST, pienaar@... writes:

<< And is

>it ok that he isn't drinking from his cup? Also what is belladonna?

>TIA

>Dani

>

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Dani,

I don't know about thrush or belladona but I do know it's very important

that he drinks. He needs lots of fluids or could suffer from dehydration. >>

I apologize. I forgot to mention he is still nursing and has upped his

sessions by about 4 in the past 48 hours. I was just wondering if it was

necessary that he also drank from his cup?

Dani