Guest guest Posted April 10, 1999 Report Share Posted April 10, 1999 Hi all, I have gone " no mail, " (because I would be unable to dismiss the temptation to post how birth stories are relevant to the vaccination issue) but I thought that I would send this since it is relevant to even the simplest mind. If you read it you will infer that 10 percent of the cases were fully vaccinated against polio. Hmmmm. So, I guess that would mean the roughly 20 children were at least partially paralyzed by a pathogen they were vaccinated from. Pretty scary, ay? Hopefully my extended breastfeeding will protect my children from such horrible diseases as secretory IgA targets polio. Anyway, I am curious to who the index case was; whether or not all of the cases are " wild type, " you know? Does anyone know if an individual who acquires polio from the vaccine can shed the virus? My guess is " yes. " TIA, ~~G ____________________________________________________________ WHO Confirms Polio Outbreak In Angola GENEVA, Apr 09 (Reuters) -- The World Health Organisation (WHO) on Friday confirmed a polio outbreak in Angola which has reportedly paralysed 200 children. WHO said it was mounting an emergency campaign to immunise 700,000 Angolan children against the highly infectious disease, which can invade the nervous system and cause paralysis in a matter of hours. WHO is working to eradicate polio worldwide by the end of the year 2000. The last case in the western hemisphere was reported in Peru in 1991. Three areas of the world -- South Asia (Afghanistan, Pakistan, India), West Africa (mainly Nigeria), and Central Africa are still major areas for polio transmission, according to a WHO statement. " Central Africa is still one of the hot spots for polio. We need to redouble our efforts to rid that part of the world of polio, " a WHO spokesman told a news briefing in Geneva. " We are still aiming for the eradication of polio in general at the end of 2000. We will not be swayed, " he added. WHO experts said virology experts in South Africa confirmed polio in the Angola cases after examining stool samples taken from paralysed children in the capital Luanda. WHO had " unconfirmed reports " that the number of cases had risen sharply to 206. " Almost all cases that have been found are children under 5; most are aged between 1 and 2 years. Ninety percent of the paralysed children are either unvaccinated or partially vaccinated and therefore unprotected from the virus, " according to a WHO statement. WHO experts are working with Angolan health officials to control the outbreak, according to the statement. A National Immunization Day campaign to vaccinate 3 million children in Angola is scheduled for this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 1999 Report Share Posted April 10, 1999 We sent out the same article within a minute of each other! Great minds think alike!! From what I understand they are using the OPV for all vaccinations. When you have a country that has poor sanatation and no good nutrition and clean water(I am assuming here, never been to Africa) what do you expect. I think many more cases will be popping up! List Owner Polio Outbreak From: MooMomTo2@... Hi all, I have gone " no mail, " (because I would be unable to dismiss the temptation to post how birth stories are relevant to the vaccination issue) but I thought that I would send this since it is relevant to even the simplest mind. If you read it you will infer that 10 percent of the cases were fully vaccinated against polio. Hmmmm. So, I guess that would mean the roughly 20 children were at least partially paralyzed by a pathogen they were vaccinated from. Pretty scary, ay? Hopefully my extended breastfeeding will protect my children from such horrible diseases as secretory IgA targets polio. Anyway, I am curious to who the index case was; whether or not all of the cases are " wild type, " you know? Does anyone know if an individual who acquires polio from the vaccine can shed the virus? My guess is " yes. " TIA, ~~G ____________________________________________________________ WHO Confirms Polio Outbreak In Angola GENEVA, Apr 09 (Reuters) -- The World Health Organisation (WHO) on Friday confirmed a polio outbreak in Angola which has reportedly paralysed 200 children. WHO said it was mounting an emergency campaign to immunise 700,000 Angolan children against the highly infectious disease, which can invade the nervous system and cause paralysis in a matter of hours. WHO is working to eradicate polio worldwide by the end of the year 2000. The last case in the western hemisphere was reported in Peru in 1991. Three areas of the world -- South Asia (Afghanistan, Pakistan, India), West Africa (mainly Nigeria), and Central Africa are still major areas for polio transmission, according to a WHO statement. " Central Africa is still one of the hot spots for polio. We need to redouble our efforts to rid that part of the world of polio, " a WHO spokesman told a news briefing in Geneva. " We are still aiming for the eradication of polio in general at the end of 2000. We will not be swayed, " he added. WHO experts said virology experts in South Africa confirmed polio in the Angola cases after examining stool samples taken from paralysed children in the capital Luanda. WHO had " unconfirmed reports " that the number of cases had risen sharply to 206. " Almost all cases that have been found are children under 5; most are aged between 1 and 2 years. Ninety percent of the paralysed children are either unvaccinated or partially vaccinated and therefore unprotected from the virus, " according to a WHO statement. WHO experts are working with Angolan health officials to control the outbreak, according to the statement. A National Immunization Day campaign to vaccinate 3 million children in Angola is scheduled for this summer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Have you visited the new ONElist home page lately? http://www.ONElist.com ONElist: The Leading e-mail list and community service on the Internet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2001 Report Share Posted January 9, 2001 can you get polio from someone recently vaxed with ipv? or just the oral one? Kathy Re: polio outbreak In a message dated 1/10/01 11:04:39 AM Central Standard Time, bunnfam@... writes: My question is how is polio spread--physical contact, bodily fluids??It is a flu-like virus, so I assume it is spread in the same manner, by droplets. Contact by actual having them land on you and inhaled, or contact by touching them and then they enter via the hand-mouth connection. The virus can exist on hard surfaces, placed there by someone sneezing, coughing, or by hands that were not washed which had acquired contact via the above or changing the diaper of a recently vaccinated child. I'm not keen on the vaccination schedules, but the immunization was split between the two to alleviate parents' fears of the worst... I believe you still need the two doses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 In a message dated 1/10/01 11:04:39 AM Central Standard Time, bunnfam@... writes: My question is how is polio spread--physical contact, bodily fluids?? It is a flu-like virus, so I assume it is spread in the same manner, by droplets. Contact by actual having them land on you and inhaled, or contact by touching them and then they enter via the hand-mouth connection. The virus can exist on hard surfaces, placed there by someone sneezing, coughing, or by hands that were not washed which had acquired contact via the above or changing the diaper of a recently vaccinated child. I'm not keen on the vaccination schedules, but the immunization was split between the two to alleviate parents' fears of the worst... I believe you still need the two doses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 In a message dated 1/10/01 9:04:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, bunnfam@... writes: << My question is how is polio spread--physical contact, bodily fluids?? And, how many injections are recommended to make one " immune " from polio? Is it just the IPV 1 time or 2 times since the OPV is not recommended now? >> Virus is usually found most abundant in fecal matter.Short duration in saliva.So IMO mostly fecal/oral,and fecal matter can get on anything or in water. http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/pink/polio.pdf The incubation period is 3-35 days. A person is most infectious 7-10 days before and after the onset of symptoms. The virus could be present in the stools for up to 8 weeks. The IPV is said to protect 99% after 3 doses (0% after one dose, 90% after 2 doses). The OPV 50% immune after one dose, 95% after 3. I have read that the OPV provides better protection than the IPV.Some recommend 1 IPV and 2 OPV. Remember that polio is mild in most.Just don't know who until you get it.Read that high dose VitC IV can help once you do have polio. sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 Cyndy, I'd like to know that to. Before I knew better back in 1993 I was immunized at the age of 32 for Polio before I went overseas. Just makes me wonder. Karla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 In a message dated 1/10/01 10:54:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, kcumming@... writes: << can you get polio from someone recently vaxed with ipv? or just the oral one? Kathy ----- Original Message ----- >> just oral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 Cyndy, I'm not sure I understand the nature of your question. Polio is a communicable disease. ((Who gets it and why is another story, however.) There have continuously been sporadic outbreaks of polio around the world. Clearly, there are many aspects to the question whether or not to vaccinatate which have to be dealt with. Some of these diseases can be serious for some people if they get them. Whether or not the risks from a vaccine are greater than the risks from the disease is unfortunately not answerable in most cases because there is so little good information available. Perhaps you could clarify what you are driving at and we could help you better. Sandy polio outbreak > Can someone refresh me on how polio would be transmitted if it ever came > here from the Dominican Republic? Also, how many vaxes are necessary for > " immunity " according to the medical field? > > Cyndy > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 Does anyone know what constitues an " outbreak " ? I have a feeling it doesn't take much. Perhaps a case or two that may be indirectly related to an oral vaccine. Does anyone know if/what the official definition of outbreak is? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 My question is how is polio spread--physical contact, bodily fluids?? And, how many injections are recommended to make one " immune " from polio? Is it just the IPV 1 time or 2 times since the OPV is not recommended now? Cyndy polio outbreak > > > > Can someone refresh me on how polio would be transmitted if it ever came > > here from the Dominican Republic? Also, how many vaxes are necessary for > > " immunity " according to the medical field? > > > > Cyndy > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 Cyndy, I believe that polio is thought to be an airborne illness. But I will check into that. What I do recall is that most people exposed to polio will show antibodies from it, but have no symptoms. Only a small percentage actually get sick. I'm not up on the IPV yet. Sandy polio outbreak > > > > > > > Can someone refresh me on how polio would be transmitted if it ever came > > > here from the Dominican Republic? Also, how many vaxes are necessary > for > > > " immunity " according to the medical field? > > > > > > Cyndy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 At 06:29 AM 01/10/2001 -0900, you wrote: >Cyndy, I'm not sure I understand the nature of your question. Polio is a >communicable disease. ((Who gets it and why is another story, however.) >There have continuously been sporadic outbreaks of polio around the world. > >Clearly, there are many aspects to the question whether or not to >vaccinatate which have to be dealt with. Some of these diseases can be >serious for some people if they get them. Whether or not the risks from a >vaccine are greater than the risks from the disease is unfortunately not >answerable in most cases because there is so little good information >available. Perhaps you could clarify what you are driving at and we could >help you better. Sandy > > > Refresh your info on polio at my webpage http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Very likely polio caused by many other things; was already on decline when vaccine came in; etc etc Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA 530-478-1242 http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 At 10:01 AM 01/10/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Does anyone know what constitues an " outbreak " ? I have a feeling it >doesn't take much. Perhaps a case or two that may be indirectly related >to an oral vaccine. Does anyone know if/what the official definition of >outbreak is? It is an outbreak if they say it is - look at the swine flu outbreak - NEVER was a case of it at all. -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA 530-478-1242 http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 At 08:31 AM 01/10/2001 -0900, you wrote: >Cyndy, I believe that polio is thought to be an airborne illness. But I >will check into that. What I do recall is that most people exposed to polio >will show antibodies from it, but have no symptoms. Only a small percentage >actually get sick. > >I'm not up on the IPV yet. Sandy Again, everyone is buying into thepropaganda about polio. Go to http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/polio.htm Lots of lies about what polio is and isn't have been told to us over the years. Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA 530-478-1242 http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 Sheri, What propaganda am I buying into? I merely said that most people have no problems with polio. Only a few actually get sick. How does that buy into their propaganda? Sandy Re: polio outbreak > At 08:31 AM 01/10/2001 -0900, you wrote: > >Cyndy, I believe that polio is thought to be an airborne illness. But I > >will check into that. What I do recall is that most people exposed to polio > >will show antibodies from it, but have no symptoms. Only a small percentage > >actually get sick. > > > >I'm not up on the IPV yet. Sandy > > Again, everyone is buying into thepropaganda about polio. > Go to > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/polio.htm > > Lots of lies about what polio is and isn't have been told to us over the > years. > Sheri > -------------------------------------------------------- > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA > 530-478-1242 > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & > women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke > > ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE > DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. > Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin > International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers > Education, Homeopathic Education > KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA > CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 It is spread through feces. The live OPV for of the vaccine comes out in the feces and the IPV does not because it is not a live virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 No you can not. Only in live virus vaccines is there a small percentage of contracting the virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 An outbreak of a particular disease is considered an outbreak if there are clusters of 3 or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 For some reason there are duplicates of emails, including one I just sent? Anyone know why that is happening and/or how it can be avoided? Sandy Re: polio outbreak > > > > At 08:31 AM 01/10/2001 -0900, you wrote: > > >Cyndy, I believe that polio is thought to be an airborne illness. But I > > >will check into that. What I do recall is that most people exposed to > polio > > >will show antibodies from it, but have no symptoms. Only a small > percentage > > >actually get sick. > > > > > >I'm not up on the IPV yet. Sandy > > > > Again, everyone is buying into thepropaganda about polio. > > Go to > > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/polio.htm > > > > Lots of lies about what polio is and isn't have been told to us over the > > years. > > Sheri > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA > > 530-478-1242 > > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > > " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & > > women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke > > > > ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE > > DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. > > Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours > > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin > > International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers > > Education, Homeopathic Education > > KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA > > CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 Sheri, Thanks for sharing that info. I suffer from many symptoms of Chronic Fatigue and my muscles and joints ache all the time, sometimes I can barely walk. I can't help but wonder if it is something to do with that polio vaccine I received in '93. Then again, I could just be getting old. I'll be 40 in May. Karla in Indiana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 At 09:10 PM 01/10/2001 EST, you wrote: >Sheri, > I suffer from many symptoms of Chronic Fatigue > I >can't help but wonder if it is something to do with that polio vaccine I > I'll be 40 in May. >Karla in Indiana > eGroups Sponsor >Click here to Win a 2001 Acura MDX Could very well be. Did you read the sections by ??? -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA 530-478-1242 http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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