Re: Fw: (Pro-choice a threat?)

[Guest guest]

Agree with a good bit of your posts, but why does it say " pagan, athiest,

and other " religions " " ? As if they aren't religions? They are. And just

as valid as Christianity.

B*B

Shalia

>From: " Randy/Patti White " <rpwhitey@...>

>Reply-Vaccinationsonelist

><Vaccinationsonelist>

>Subject: Re: Fw: (Pro-choice a threat?)

>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:22:36 -0500

>

>From: " Randy/Patti White " <rpwhitey@...>

>

>,

>I just wanted to tell you that I felt your post regarding the quote

>from Janet Reno was very appropriate for this list. It is this kind

>of anti-Christian bigotry and intolerance for anyone else's " choice "

>(except their own) that permeates the current administration.

>That is why they get so fiercely angry when we call ourselves the

> " pro-choice vaccination " group. It reveals the incredible depths

>of their true bigotry. Choice and the freedom to choose is a

> " right " as long as it is their choice and doesn't interfere with the

>progress of their political agenda.

>

>It is this same arrogance that allows them to say " we know better

>than the parents what is best for the children " . To me the most

>frightening comment was " ......... but certainly more than one

>of these would cause us to look at this person as a threat

>and his family as being in a risk situation that qualified for

>government interference. "

>

>Very soon this same mentality will allow them to say a parent

>who chooses not to vaccinate is a threat and is putting his

>family in a risk situation that qualifies them for government

>interference. (Permission to mandate and control.)

>They must try to eliminate that " Christian Spirit this nation

>was founded on " .

>

>They can't eliminate it, so they try to silence it.........

>in the name of tolerance. What a joke.

>

>Don't worry about offending. You just keep right on

>expressing your beliefs. And we will protect everyone

>else's freedom to express their opinion as well.

>Christians are the only group that Janet Reno could talk

>about like this and not stir up a national outcry of rage.

>Why is it that everyone else has the " right to free speech "

>except Christians? This really amazes me.

>Christians need to understand that the bill of rights

>guarantees their freedom of speech and their religious

>freedom as well as that of pagans, atheists and any other

> " religion " . I have to delete plenty of secular and new age

>stuff that I don't agree with.

>

>Anyone who understands the American Constitution will

>also understand that freedom of expression does

>not take offense to your expression of faith....................

>they just hit the delete key , but fight for your right to

>express yourself.

>

>Thanks for the information.

>Patti

>

>

>

> Fw: (off topic, but pertinent)Me? A Cultist?

>

>

>Below is a quote from Janet Reno which does not surprise me. I feel

>sad for Janet Reno because of her ignorance of the Truth. As the Lord

>Jesus said, " Forgive them for they do not know what they do " . She

>does not know what she is saying. confessed in retrospect that he

>was in his ignorance that he persecuted the Church (Jesus) as is with

>Janet Reno.

>

>Hard to believe this country was founded on Christian beliefs and

>principals, and yet the below summarizes the position of the

>top law enforcement officer in the US, expressed on national TV.

>

>Statement from Janet Reno:

>

> " A cultist is one who has a strong belief in the Bible and the Second

>Coming of Christ; who frequently attends Bible studies;

>who has a high level of financial giving to a Christian cause; who

>homeschools for their children; who has accumulated survival

>foods and has strong belief in the Second Amendment; and who

>distrusts big government. Any of these may qualify a person

>as a cultist but certainly more than one of these would cause us to

>look at this person as a threat and his family as being in a

>risk situation that qualified for government interference. "

>Janet Reno,

>Attny. General, USA

>Interview on 60 Minutes - June 26

>

>Do you qualify? Are you (as defined by the US Attorney General) a

>threat? This concerns me. Does it bother you? Everyone

>in this country - " The land of the free " - with computer access should

>copy this and send to every other man, woman and child

>who can read.

>

>

>

>

>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

,

I just wanted to tell you that I felt your post regarding the quote

from Janet Reno was very appropriate for this list. It is this kind

of anti-Christian bigotry and intolerance for anyone else's " choice "

(except their own) that permeates the current administration.

That is why they get so fiercely angry when we call ourselves the

" pro-choice vaccination " group. It reveals the incredible depths

of their true bigotry. Choice and the freedom to choose is a

" right " as long as it is their choice and doesn't interfere with the

progress of their political agenda.

It is this same arrogance that allows them to say " we know better

than the parents what is best for the children " . To me the most

frightening comment was " ......... but certainly more than one

of these would cause us to look at this person as a threat

and his family as being in a risk situation that qualified for

government interference. "

Very soon this same mentality will allow them to say a parent

who chooses not to vaccinate is a threat and is putting his

family in a risk situation that qualifies them for government

interference. (Permission to mandate and control.)

They must try to eliminate that " Christian Spirit this nation

was founded on " .

They can't eliminate it, so they try to silence it.........

in the name of tolerance. What a joke.

Don't worry about offending. You just keep right on

expressing your beliefs. And we will protect everyone

else's freedom to express their opinion as well.

Christians are the only group that Janet Reno could talk

about like this and not stir up a national outcry of rage.

Why is it that everyone else has the " right to free speech "

except Christians? This really amazes me.

Christians need to understand that the bill of rights

guarantees their freedom of speech and their religious

freedom as well as that of pagans, atheists and any other

" religion " . I have to delete plenty of secular and new age

stuff that I don't agree with.

Anyone who understands the American Constitution will

also understand that freedom of expression does

not take offense to your expression of faith....................

they just hit the delete key , but fight for your right to

express yourself.

Thanks for the information.

Patti

Fw: (off topic, but pertinent)Me? A Cultist?

Below is a quote from Janet Reno which does not surprise me. I feel

sad for Janet Reno because of her ignorance of the Truth. As the Lord

Jesus said, " Forgive them for they do not know what they do " . She

does not know what she is saying. confessed in retrospect that he

was in his ignorance that he persecuted the Church (Jesus) as is with

Janet Reno.

Hard to believe this country was founded on Christian beliefs and

principals, and yet the below summarizes the position of the

top law enforcement officer in the US, expressed on national TV.

Statement from Janet Reno:

" A cultist is one who has a strong belief in the Bible and the Second

Coming of Christ; who frequently attends Bible studies;

who has a high level of financial giving to a Christian cause; who

homeschools for their children; who has accumulated survival

foods and has strong belief in the Second Amendment; and who

distrusts big government. Any of these may qualify a person

as a cultist but certainly more than one of these would cause us to

look at this person as a threat and his family as being in a

risk situation that qualified for government interference. "

Janet Reno,

Attny. General, USA

Interview on 60 Minutes - June 26

Do you qualify? Are you (as defined by the US Attorney General) a

threat? This concerns me. Does it bother you? Everyone

in this country - " The land of the free " - with computer access should

copy this and send to every other man, woman and child

who can read.

[Guest guest]

Patti:

Great post! Here it is (the bill of rights):

Amendment I.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment

of

religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or

abridging the

freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the

people

peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government

for a

redress of grievances.

Amendment I.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment

of

religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or

abridging the

freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the

people

peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government

for a

redress of grievances.

Amendment III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any

house,

without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war,

but in a

manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons,

houses,

papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and

seizures,

shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but

upon

probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and

particularly describing the place to be searched, and

the persons

or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or

otherwise

infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment

of a

Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or

naval forces,

or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of

War or public

danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same

offense to

be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be

compelled in

any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor

be

deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due

process of law;

nor shall private property be taken for public use,

without just

compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy

the right to

a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the

State and

district wherein the crime shall have been committed,

which

district shall have been previously ascertained by law,

and to be

informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to

be

confronted with the witnesses against him; to have

compulsory

process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to

have the

Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy

shall

exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall

be preserved,

and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise

reexamined in any

Court of the United States, than according to the rules

of the

common law.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive

fines imposed,

nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights,

shall not

be construed to deny or disparage others retained by

the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the

Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are

reserved to the

States respectively, or to the people.

That's it! we're free!

>

> Anyone who understands the American Constitution will

> also understand that freedom of expression does

> not take offense to your expression of faith....................

>

> Thanks for the information.

> Patti

>

>Craig Casey

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/15/99 2:19:30 PM Central Daylight Time,

rpwhitey@... writes:

<< Anyone who understands the American Constitution will

also understand that freedom of expression does

not take offense to your expression of faith....................

they just hit the delete key , but fight for your right to

express yourself.

Thanks for the information.

Patti >>

Patti - I agree whole-heartedly. I have almost replied to this Reno issue

several times but keep deleting my replies. I am going to finally speak up.

I am glad that sent the Reno article, and as you said, we can all hit

the delete key anytime we wish. Thanks again! Sharon

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/15/1999 2:19:24 PM Central Daylight Time,

rpwhitey@... writes:

<< Christians need to understand that the bill of rights

guarantees their freedom of speech and their religious

freedom as well as that of pagans, atheists and any other

" religion " . >>

If you had bothered to read further down the list you would have noticed that

the quote posted was a hoax. Please keep your religious rants off the list -

this is about our childrens health, not your Christian ideology.

Jana

[Guest guest]

can we stop this fight over religions now, please!

this list is about vaccinations! heather had a point,

since the original message was somewhat very christian

oriented, and since in the meantime, the original

message appears to be a hoax, please stop this ranting

about religions. i believe when it comes to issues

such as vaccinations, where children's lives are at

stake, we should forget about our personal differences

and get together in the belief we have in common!

claudia

--- Tauwillow@... wrote:

> From: Tauwillow@...

>

> In a message dated 7/15/1999 2:19:24 PM Central

> Daylight Time,

> rpwhitey@... writes:

>

> << Christians need to understand that the bill of

> rights

> guarantees their freedom of speech and their

> religious

> freedom as well as that of pagans, atheists and any

> other

> " religion " . >>

>

> If you had bothered to read further down the list

> you would have noticed that

> the quote posted was a hoax. Please keep your

> religious rants off the list -

> this is about our childrens health, not your

> Christian ideology.

>

> Jana

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

I believe that we are all on this list because vaccinations

are mandatory for school children. This is part of

government control of our lives. The government looks at us

as tax generating slaves that can be filed, injected with

whatever they wish, and ordered around. I will remind you

about the syphilis experiments on black soldiers by the

government. Agent orange and gulf war syndrome. These

things were done to GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES. If the government

is willing to jeopardize the health and safety of it's own

people, where does that leave us sheeple?

In that light, the quote on Janet Reno is acceptable to the

list. As far as if the quote was a hoax, what difference

does that make? Janet Reno approved the attack on the

religious compound where 80 children were burned to death

while fire trucks were prohibited by the FBI & BATF from

assisting the victims and extinguishing the blaze. So does

it matter what Janet Reno has ever said? The ashes of 80

innocent children are the result of her order.

What if one of your children was in that compound and died

by fire (one of the most painful ways to die)? Would you

even wish that on your worst enemy?

Nough said.

Craig Casey

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CA Lic. #0B81661

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[Guest guest]

Well, I guess I am going to open up another can of worms, but here goes. If

we stick to the topic of vaccinations (an issue we all agree on or this list

wouldn't exist), then there shouldn't be any analyzing, dissecting, or

arguing someone else's thoughts, beliefs, or opinions.

If we are going to relate everything to our children's health, benefit and

welfare in one way or another, we might just as well open this list up to any

topic since they all can be related to health by one way or another.

Remember the juice thing?

It is obvious that each person on this list is very passionate and loving

toward their children. We are supposed to be united under one issue, not

divided by many. There are more appropriate places in the Internet to voice

opinions, ideals and beliefs.

I joined a nonvaccination list.

Take care,

Alice