Re: Percentage of reactions

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Chelly,

There are a couple problems. According to the NVIC the pharmaceutical

companies will not release how many vaccines they get out of a vile.

They list this as " proprietary information " . As a result, there is no

true way to say that a certain percentage result in reactions when a

basic number is missing from the formula. This was discussed by Barbara

Loe Fisher in a recent article posted.

Second, the FDA estimates that only 10% of all reactions are reported.

Although it is required by law, most doctors will not report the

reaction. I know this for sure because I reported my daughter's reaction

to the Hep B vaccine which included insomnia, irritability, agitation,

crying/screaming for 12 hours straight, abdominal pains and cramps and

wheezing.

I attended the congressional hearing last May re: Hep B and I know they

stated that 100% of all Hep B reactions had been reported in whites and

70% of those had been in females. (I have it on tape)

If you count fever, redness/sorness at site of injection which the CDC

considers 'mild' reactions then I am SURE the number of reactions would

be well over 50%. It is just they have conditioned the public that it is

so " mild " it is nothing. When in actuality it is your body telling you

there is something wrong.

If they are skeptical, my experience is that only once THEY do the

research will they convine themselves. Otherwise, it is like you are

forcing it down there throats. I always suggest Money magazine, Dec.

1996 " The Lethal Dangers of the Billion Dollar Vaccine Business " . This

deals just with DPT, and polio. It is a mainstream article and all the

things have been proven. It is great at showing the $$$.

Tell them if they are skeptical that you challenge them to go to the

2cnd NVIC vaccine conferenc ein Sept. It will be for 3 days. I am sure

they would get a lot of info.

In the end, if they don't support you...it is still you that has to live

with the decision. My dad did not support me until I asked him to attend

a vaccine workshop (just one day) and low and behold...he would not shut

up. Now he supports me. Somehow hearing it from me did not sink in.

He talked to friends at work and found 3 who had children who had

serious reactions...two of whom had autistic children diagnosed as due

to the vaccine.

Good luck.

Trentonsmom@... wrote:

>

> Hi All,

> I wonder if anyone can tell me off the top of their head what is the

> percentage of reactions, overall.

> If you have a website to back it up that would be great.

> My in-laws are saying I am making a fuss for no reason as the percentage of

> reactions are small - I would just like to have some info to send on.

> Also, is it 80% of vaccines that are effective? I am not sure if I have got

> that right or not.

> Thanks

> Chelly

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Hi Chelly,

To me it doesn't matter at all what the stats are, because if I chose to

have the shots (NOT GOING TO HAPPEN) given to my kids and there is a

reaction... then it is 100% reaction in my opinion. DO you know what I mean?

If it happens to your kid all the stats (which are totally useless in my

opinion) goes out the door. It is like Russian roulette with your kid. Not

for me:)

Sherri-Lee

Percentage of reactions

> Hi All,

> I wonder if anyone can tell me off the top of their head what is the

> percentage of reactions, overall.

> If you have a website to back it up that would be great.

> My in-laws are saying I am making a fuss for no reason as the percentage

of

> reactions are small - I would just like to have some info to send on.

> Also, is it 80% of vaccines that are effective? I am not sure if I have

got

> that right or not.

> Thanks

> Chelly

>

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At 12:24 PM 04/05/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi Chelly,

>

>To me it doesn't matter at all what the stats are, because if I chose to

>have the shots (NOT GOING TO HAPPEN) given to my kids and there is a

>reaction... then it is 100% reaction in my opinion. DO you know what I mean?

>If it happens to your kid all the stats (which are totally useless in my

>opinion) goes out the door. It is like Russian roulette with your kid. Not

>for me:)

>

>Sherri-Lee

I agree totally! I could never figure out how statistics made people feel

better. If I have a 25% chance of reacting, for example, who's to say

which part I'll be in the 75% or the 25%. It is meaningless. When they

say a certain chemotherapy cures cancer in 65% of the patients -

meaningless - I have no idea which category I'll fall in. Strange how

people fall for this.

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In a message dated 4/5/00 1:07:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, snakken@...

writes:

> Strange how

> people fall for this.

Apparently my mother in law thinks it is important, as I said before she

thinks I am making a fuss about nothing!!!

It is driving me insane, although I have offered my books for her to read,

they do not even want to bother with that, and prefer to ask their doctor!!!

(who said he has NEVER seen a reaction in all his years!!) LOL

What is a person to do..........

Thanks for all the input

Chelly

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In a message dated 4/5/00 12:33:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, slp@...

writes:

> It is like Russian roulette with your kid.

Now that is a good thing to tell them !!!!! Brings it all home.

THANKS

Chelly

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At 09:32 PM 04/05/2000 EDT, you wrote:

>In a message dated 4/5/00 1:07:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, snakken@...

>writes:

>

>> Strange how

>> people fall for this.

>Apparently my mother in law thinks it is important, as I said before she

>thinks I am making a fuss about nothing!!!

>It is driving me insane, although I have offered my books for her to read,

>they do not even want to bother with that, and prefer to ask their doctor!!!

>(who said he has NEVER seen a reaction in all his years!!) LOL

>What is a person to do..........

>Thanks for all the input

>Chelly

Certain people are convinced by nothing. Good luck!

Sheri

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Hi Chelly,

You said in another post that your in laws won't even read the info you give

them.. this says to me that you will never convince them of anything. I

would simply tell them when they are prepared to do the research and read

what you have then you will " discuss " it with them.. until then it is a

closed subject as you are the parent of this child and they are not. I don't

know if that would shut them up or not.. but if it doesn't I would answer

any question they have to me about it in the future with this question " did

you read the information I gave you? " if the answer was no I would ignore

them and change the subject... I am just learning we are not responsible to

answer someone's question just because they ask it.. and that doesn't make

me rude! LOL.... you are not compelled to be involved with this conversation

unless you allow yourself to be and it is not your job to convince them of

anything. The other thing I might try is turn it into their court and ask

them to " convince " you of their position first. This should be

interesting:)... the more you appear to be willing to take on the

responsibility to convince them that you are right the more they will feel

like you answer to them.. and your behaviour will endorse that belief.

I know it is tough but you can do it.. and thank you for helping me to sort

out something for myself too!

Sherri-Lee

Re: Percentage of reactions

> In a message dated 4/5/00 12:33:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

slp@...

> writes:

>

> > It is like Russian roulette with your kid.

> Now that is a good thing to tell them !!!!! Brings it all home.

> THANKS

> Chelly

>

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Amen Sherri!

Sheri

(Sheri with one 'r')

At 09:42 PM 04/05/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi Chelly,

>

>You said in another post that your in laws won't even read the info you give

>them.. this says to me that you will never convince them of anything. I

>would simply tell them when they are prepared to do the research and read

>what you have then you will " discuss " it with them.. until then it is a

>closed subject as you are the parent of this child and they are not. I don't

>know if that would shut them up or not.. but if it doesn't I would answer

>any question they have to me about it in the future with this question " did

>you read the information I gave you? " if the answer was no I would ignore

>them and change the subject... I am just learning we are not responsible to

>answer someone's question just because they ask it.. and that doesn't make

>me rude! LOL.... you are not compelled to be involved with this conversation

>unless you allow yourself to be and it is not your job to convince them of

>anything. The other thing I might try is turn it into their court and ask

>them to " convince " you of their position first. This should be

>interesting:)... the more you appear to be willing to take on the

>responsibility to convince them that you are right the more they will feel

>like you answer to them.. and your behaviour will endorse that belief.

>

>I know it is tough but you can do it.. and thank you for helping me to sort

>out something for myself too!

>

>Sherri-Lee

> Re: Percentage of reactions

>

>

>> In a message dated 4/5/00 12:33:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

>slp@...

>> writes:

>>

>> > It is like Russian roulette with your kid.

>> Now that is a good thing to tell them !!!!! Brings it all home.

>> THANKS

>> Chelly

>>

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Re: Percentage of reactions

> In a message dated 4/5/00 1:07:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

snakken@...

> writes:

>

> > Strange how

> > people fall for this.

> Apparently my mother in law thinks it is important, as I said before she

> thinks I am making a fuss about nothing!!!

> It is driving me insane, although I have offered my books for her to read,

> they do not even want to bother with that, and prefer to ask their

doctor!!!

> (who said he has NEVER seen a reaction in all his years!!) LOL

> What is a person to do..........

> Thanks for all the input

> Chelly

It's a problem if they can't read. You can always lie or hit them over the

head with the vaccine book.

Photo perhaps http://www.whaleto.freeserve.co.uk/Vaccines/robert.html

[Guest guest]

It is amazing to me how many doctors say the exact same thing.... " Never seen

a reaction in all my years of practicing " >>>Then where are all the reactions

happening?!?!?! Gee, I wonder.

[Guest guest]

I always like to compare it to playing the lottery. Your chances of winning

are so minute yet everyone plalys thinking it just could be their turn!!

Makes you think, yes?

[Guest guest]

Hi Chelly,

The thing is many people can't confront that doctors and such are wrong

because in doing so it would mean that they themselves are wrong..

The fact is, they can't accept this because they are unwilling and unable

to really take responsiblity for themselves (and others) and thus leave

it to the medicos to take that responsibility for them. To admit

that doctors are wrong about this would mean they'd have to admit that

they are wrong and have accepted the lies and the brainwashing for decades.

For example, if doctors admittted they were wrong they could easily

go insane knowing the lives they are directly responsible for destroying.

Thus some people simply are incapable of admitting they are wrong no matter

how much evidence you give them. Recognizing this you will understand

why it is so hard to make changes even amongst basically good people.

Thus they cannot confront the books and volume of data that exist.

They don't have the courage that you have been forced to have daily to

protect your children.. I think if you can find a way to really

impinge you may make some progress. There are frequently

letters from listmates describing the terrible effects their child went

through after a vaccine. Get ok to print some out and force your

in-laws to read one or read it to them. (A two page letter is much

easier for them to confront than a book and it gives real life, not someone's

theory or dry facts.) Have more ready if they say it is just one

instance. If they don't cry or get weak you will know you will

probably never reach them. Either way, attack and tell them that

this letter is just one of thousands and that YOU will never play vaccine

roulette with their grandchildren.

Good luck.

Dennis

Sherri-Lee wrote:

Hi Chelly,

You said in another post that your in laws won't even read the info

you give

them.. this says to me that you will never convince them of anything.

I

would simply tell them when they are prepared to do the research

and read

what you have then you will "discuss" it with them.. until then

it is a

closed subject as you are the parent of this child and they are

not. I don't

know if that would shut them up or not.. but if it doesn't I would

answer

any question they have to me about it in the future with this question

"did

you read the information I gave you?" if the answer was no I would

ignore

them and change the subject... I am just learning we are not responsible

to

answer someone's question just because they ask it.. and that doesn't

make

me rude! LOL.... you are not compelled to be involved with this

conversation

unless you allow yourself to be and it is not your job to convince

them of

anything. The other thing I might try is turn it into their court

and ask

them to "convince" you of their position first. This should be

interesting:)... the more you appear to be willing to take on the

responsibility to convince them that you are right the more they

will feel

like you answer to them.. and your behaviour will endorse that

belief.

I know it is tough but you can do it.. and thank you for helping

me to sort

out something for myself too!

Sherri-Lee

Re: Percentage of reactions

> In a message dated 4/5/00 12:33:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

slp@...

> writes:

>

> > It is like Russian roulette with your kid.

> Now that is a good thing to tell them !!!!! Brings it all

home.

> THANKS

> Chelly

>

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In a message dated 4/6/00 12:01:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

whale@... writes:

> It's a problem if they can't read. You can always lie or hit them over the

> head with the vaccine book.

>

LOL.

Unfortunately the books on vaccines aren't heavy enough!! DO you think a

baby book will do the trick?

You crack me up !!!

Chelly

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In a message dated 4/6/00 2:32:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dsoto@...

writes:

> To admit

> that doctors are wrong about this would mean they'd have to admit that

> they are wrong and have accepted the lies and the brainwashing for decades.

>

> For example, if doctors admitted they were wrong they could easilygo

insane

> knowing the lives they are directly responsible for destroying. & nbsp;Thus

> some people simply are incapable of admitting they are wrong no matterhow

> much evidence you give them. & nbsp; Recognizing this you will understandwhy

it

> is so hard to make changes even amongst basically good people.

Dennis,

I think you have hit the nail on the head, they just don't want to know that

they have perhaps made mistakes. Both grandparents have allergies, FIL has

Asthma, and both sons (one is my DH) have allergies, the one son (my BIL) has

a mild case of asthma, only when overexerting himself. Who knows what

other problems there might be, that we don't know about.

When my son was about three months old, we took him to the Chiropractor, and

consequently he has a stuffy nose for a day or so (his neck was adjusted) the

first thing out of their mouths was that he must have allergies!!! (four

months down the line he is still perfectly healthy, with no colds, flu or any

thing else, and no further comments) I said to my husband that if Trenton had

gotten allergies or astma, it would have been just because its a family

thing, no body would have though it to be a vaccine thing, now that he is so

healthy - we are just lucky!!!!!!!!!

Chelly

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Re: Percentage of reactions

> In a message dated 4/6/00 12:01:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> whale@... writes:

>

> > It's a problem if they can't read. You can always lie or hit them over

the

> > head with the vaccine book.

> >

> LOL.

> Unfortunately the books on vaccines aren't heavy enough!! DO you think a

> baby book will do the trick?

> You crack me up !!!

> Chelly

The Burton Goldberg book on Alternative Medicine should do the trick, if you

can lift it over your head.

Lay her out for a few weeks and she may come round to your point of view,

either way, she wont ever disagree with you again!

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