Re: Re:toxemia and alternatives

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I'm gonna add my 2 cents worth, then I hope this string dies out...

When I was pregnant with my son I couldn't get enough meat. I was a mostly

vegetables kind of person until I met my husband... Still, I don't eat that

much meat, and pefer pasta primavera to filet mignon. However, long about

Christmas eve of 1996 I had a craving for t-bone so bad, I asked him to go

and buy one... we had none in the freezer -- I had eaten ALL the meat that

week. That's when he said " geesh, what are you pregnant? " . He picked up a

pregnancy test along with the steaks. Now, I was pretty darn healthy, and

had a very healthy pregnancy. But I couldn't get enough protein. And only

wanted it from meat or eggs. Period. About May they started testing me for

toxemia. I had gained 30 lbs (that's all I gained), but I looked like a

beached whale with 4 little flippers hanging out. I had no toes, literally.

It was extremely painful to walk and by June I could only be on my feet for

45 minutes with 3 hour rests (feet elevated above my hips). This was okay,

except I had a 3 yo to deal with. Back to the diet --- My doctors both

swore up and down I was toxemic, but the tests kept coming back negative.

They decided the high protein was the only reason I was maintaining.

Personally, I felt if my instincts were that strong, go with it. I didn't

care what the reason was. I figured, obviously the baby wanted meat.

Period. My daughter was a high-fat kind of gal, and I went with that too.

The moral of the story: everybody has to do what's right for them. Everyone

ISN'T the same, don't have the same experiences, don't have the same health

needs, don't have the same environmental concerns, and don't have the same

life strategies or philosophies. For as many people as there are out there

to say you are right, there are just as many that can say you are wrong using

their own personal experiences as proof -- and in my estimation, experience

is the proof to the pudding, so to speak.

I'd like to get back on topic -- and to that vein, I had a woman ask me today

-- how do you explain all the children who AREN'T damaged by vaccines, if

they're so dangerous?

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beebemcel@... wrote:

> From: beebemcel@...

>

> kelly, i think you bring up LOTS of good questions--ones we do not have the

> answers to, especially in order to make any judgements here, but one thing i

> didn't agree with was:

> <<Yes, she has to eat the whole chicken, minus bones of course. Protein

> is the key in PREGNANCY!! >>

> yes, protein is very important in pregnancy, but no, one does not need to

> ingest a whole chicken or ANY meat for that matter--there are sooooooooo many

> good foods out there with loads of protein in them, (beans--lentils, etc to

> start with)

I would agree with you but as I said to , eating that way takes a great deal

of knowledge as you know <smile> and to ask a pregnant women to change her

eating

habits that great would cause more harm at this point than good. It would take

an

incredible amount of food to get the kind of protein and calories one needs. I'm

not saying to get all her calories from the protein and maybe I should have

clarified that, but a lot of calories from different sources.

> ones that are much better for you than chicken--especially

> chicken purchased at a regular grocery store that has been fed growth

> hormones and God knows what else.

So true.

> i just hope that this woman gets some

> advice that is directly related to her specific medical condition--i know we

> all want to help her, but without all the answers to the good questions you

> raised, it's not possible.

Agreed, I just want to argue with I think <grin>.

>

> IMhumbleO, i hope that she is eating correctly for a pregnant woman and

> getting exercise and rest, other than that--i think she needs to see someone

> who can check out ALL of her symptoms.

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>-- how do you explain all the children who AREN'T damaged by vaccines, if

> >they're so dangerous?

I would like to know how she knows which children are damaged and which are

not. Is she able to detect brain damage from slight to severe? Are

children she considers not damaged suffering from ADD, ADHD, aggressive

behavior, maybe some forms of damage that are not readily visible?

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In a message dated 3/1/00 8:50:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,

paris_sun@... writes:

<< Are

children she considers not damaged suffering from ADD, ADHD, aggressive

behavior, maybe some forms of damage that are not readily visible? >>

Very true, and in addition, what about long term effects???

Kerin

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In a message dated 3/1/2000 8:50:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,

paris_sun@... writes:

<< -- how do you explain all the children who AREN'T damaged by vaccines, if

> >they're so dangerous? >>

the same way some people can take tylenol with no effect and the reason why

some can't take it, it effects their liver. some people are allergic to

penicillin and some are not. the same reason why some people get colds and

flus more often then others or end up with cancer while others stay healthy.

I know I have 11 women friends who all have 2 or more children, not one of

their children had any reaction to any immunizations, yet all three of my

kids had reactions ranging from mild to severe. How do you explain that?

steph

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In a message dated 3/1/2000 7:50:53 AM Central Standard Time,

paris_sun@... writes:

<< I would like to know how she knows which children are damaged and which

are

not. Is she able to detect brain damage from slight to severe? Are

children she considers not damaged suffering from ADD, ADHD, aggressive

behavior, maybe some forms of damage that are not readily visible? >>

I brought this up. This is usually my first question back at these people --

explain the high numbers of previously rare childhood maladies... but she

blew it off. I also explained that high-pitched screaming is a symptom of

brain damage. whether for 5 minutes or 3 hours (3 hours being the point at

which parents are to consult their physician)... but that left her unphased

as well.

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maybe outwardly unphased, but inside she's possibly doing some pondering.

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>Subject: Re: Re:toxemia and alternatives

>Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:30:01 EST

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>In a message dated 3/1/2000 7:50:53 AM Central Standard Time,

>paris_sun@... writes:

>

><< I would like to know how she knows which children are damaged and which

>are

> not. Is she able to detect brain damage from slight to severe? Are

> children she considers not damaged suffering from ADD, ADHD, aggressive

> behavior, maybe some forms of damage that are not readily visible? >>

>

>I brought this up. This is usually my first question back at these people

>--

>explain the high numbers of previously rare childhood maladies... but she

>blew it off. I also explained that high-pitched screaming is a symptom of

>brain damage. whether for 5 minutes or 3 hours (3 hours being the point at

>which parents are to consult their physician)... but that left her

>unphased

>as well.

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Re: Re:toxemia and alternatives

> From: cpeter8743@...

> I'd like to get back on topic -- and to that vein, I had a woman ask me

today

> -- how do you explain all the children who AREN'T damaged by vaccines, if

> they're so dangerous?

>

They aren't that dangerous if you don't consider the epidemic of diabetes,

asthma, autism, dyslexia, epilepsy, and cancer etc as being in any way

connected to vaccines. If you don't believe SIDS is in any way connected to

vaccines. http://www.whale.to/Vaccines/diseases.html

The 900 children who were awarded damages for serious brain damage (UK)

wouldn't agree about vaccines being safe. Plus the thousand or so who were

rejected.

" damage caused by vaccinations means the complete destruction of a child, of

an individual. Those kids can't speak. They're complete idiots, imbeciles.

Often, they are spastically paralyzed, and frequently, they also suffer from

muscular cramps... Sometimes whole families are destroyed. " ---Dr Buchwald MD

Why risk any reaction for something that is untested over 2 weeks for

safety? And has been shown to fail time and again when fully vaccinated

children get the disease?

And when the risk from the diseases had almost vanished when they brought

out the vaccines.

http://www.whale.to/Vaccines/disease_decline.htm

Leading one to the obvious conclusion it is an idiots game unless you are

making money from it.

" To give some idea of the (smallpox) vaccine's dangers, it was reported--in

the late sixties--that annually, roughly 3,000 children were experiencing

varying degrees of brain damage due to the smallpox vaccine; and according

to G. Kiftel in 1967, smallpox vaccination damaged the hearing of 3,296

children in West Germany, of which 71 became totally deaf. " ---Dr Obosawin MD