Guest guest Posted August 25, 1999 Report Share Posted August 25, 1999 I've been meaning to post this for a bit.... I've told people that Hep B was the dumbest of all vax to get because it's not an " infectious " disease - it's contracted the same as HIV with the same types of risk factors. So until kids were old enough to at least be sexually active, it shouldn't even be considered. Well, I can't find what I read now, but it was by a doc who said that the virus has been found to live on inanimate objects for up to a week. Is this true? When/if this gets around, people are definitely going to believe the vaccine is worth the risk because this type of transmission are what people are scared of the most. How could we defend it then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 1999 Report Share Posted August 25, 1999 I'm not even sure they have isolated a virus http://www.whale.to/Vaccines/hepatitis2.htm Shades of HIV http://www.virusmyth.com Re: Hep B ? From: austinsmom@... ( DeMaio) I've been meaning to post this for a bit.... I've told people that Hep B was the dumbest of all vax to get because it's not an " infectious " disease - it's contracted the same as HIV with the same types of risk factors. So until kids were old enough to at least be sexually active, it shouldn't even be considered. Well, I can't find what I read now, but it was by a doc who said that the virus has been found to live on inanimate objects for up to a week. Is this true? When/if this gets around, people are definitely going to believe the vaccine is worth the risk because this type of transmission are what people are scared of the most. How could we defend it then? --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 1999 Report Share Posted August 26, 1999 In my opinion, it is a scare tactic used by the pediatricians/doctors in order to get people to get the shot. I was given this same scare by a nurse at the pediatricians office. When I went to the Health Department for the kids exemptions, I asked the Doctor (who was the head of the dept. and been practicing for over 40 years) about this information, he said it is " a very fragile virus " much like the aids virus and COULD NOT be transmitted from surfaces. Transmission was like that of AIDS> So, when I asked why they would vaccinate all babies he said " it is because they have a " captive " audience " . Thought you would like to know that. Blessings, Nadine:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 1999 Report Share Posted August 28, 1999 , Hep B infections in children are rare regardless of how or if the virus is transmitted. Sebastiana Belkin wrote: Hepatitis B becoming most controversial kids' inoculation By JOHN HANCHETTE Gannett News Service WASHINGTON _ Vaccine safety advocates and government health officials who thought opposing views on the controversial hepatitis B vaccine could be reconciled got a recent dose of reality on Capitol Hill. They clashed at a House subcommittee hearing that underscored growing contentiousness over the inoculations designed to prevent the stealthy disease, which is mainly blood-transmitted, attacks the liver, and can lurk for years without symptoms. The camps hardly could be more diametrically opposed. Some scientists, parents of recently inoculated dead and injured children, and a growing number of adults smitten with chronic illness after receiving the shots, believe the vaccine is dangerous and highly reactive. The federal health establishment which sets vaccine policy -- including the FDA, the CDC, and HHS -- insists the hep B shots are safe and effective. The controversy focuses mainly on babies and their fragile immune systems. Eight years ago, the powerful Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices (ACIP) essentially mandated the hep B shots for immunization of newborns. The FDA's reporting system of ``adverse events'' -- the government term for reactions, including death -- shows thousands of reactions following the shots, vastly outnumbering hepatitis cases reported in that age group. For the last full statistical year, 1996, figures show 1,080 ``adverse events'' following shots to kids under age 1, including 47 deaths; CDC reported only 54 cases of the disease in that age span of the 3.9 million births that year. Indeed, a CDC official acknowledged at the hearing, only 279 cases of hepatitis B under age 14 were reported that year. Despite this, the government infuriates vaccine safety advocates by taking two rigid stances: 1) Refusing to admit any link between the shots and reactions; 2) Refusing to reconsider immunizing infants. The first is best exemplified by the convoluted explanation of FDA biostatistics director Ellenberg: ``With virtually universal childhood immunization, beginning at birth or shortly thereafter, any adverse medical event in a child will `follow' vaccination, and some of these will coincidentally follow within a few days of a vaccination. Thus, even if a vaccine is not the cause of certain rare medical problems, it is a certainty that some number of these events will occur within a short interval following a vaccination. For this reason, the fact that an event -- even a very serious event such as a death -- occurs shortly after a vaccine has been administered cannot by itself lead to the conclusion that the event was caused by the vaccine.'' In other words, official policy is: The kid would have died anyway. Parents of infants -- kids perfectly healthy until the shot but who died shortly afterwards -- erupt in anger at this explanation. The second official position seems more related to ease of execution than safety concerns. The CDC's own fact sheet on the disease does not include newborns as a group at risk. Rather, it lists injection drug users, homosexual men, sexually active heterosexuals who do not use condoms, children of immigrants from disease-endemic areas, dialysis patients, health care workers and infants born to infected mothers, which can be predicted through pregnancy bloodscreening tests. Officials shrug off requests from safety advocates to replace inoculations with intensified blood screening of expectant mothers; some studies suggest the immunity wears off, anyway, before teen years. The ACIP, in its ``Comprehensive Strategy'' sheet, acknowledges ``in the United States, most infections occur among adults and adolescents,'' but says selective vaccinations of persons with risk factors has failed.``This strategy has not lowered the incidence of hepatitis B, primarily because vaccinating persons engaged in high-risk behaviors, lifestyles, or occupations before they become infected generally has not been feasible ... Efforts to vaccinate persons in the major risk groups have had limited success. ... In the long term, universal infant vaccination would eliminate the need for vaccinating adolescents and high-risk adults.'' A long, sad trail of witnesses before the House subcommittee vehemently objected to this reasoning. Their testimony -- under oath -- is sad commentary on the state of public health in America. Cape Cod resident Judy Converse, a trained public health nurse, was not even told her new baby had gotten the shot when he broke into arching-back spasms and tremors his first night home. Her doctors refused to incriminate the vaccine -- one blamed ``over- nursing.' has been diagnosed autistic, has grand mal seizures, and passes out without breathing at certain sharp noises. ``The program to vaccinate newborns,'' said Converse, ``is of no use to anyone except those who sell vaccines.'' Betty Fluck, a registered nurse from Kokomo, Ind., who appeared in leg braces, suffered paralysis 12 hours after her second hep B shot and still has almost daily bouts of fatigue, nausea, dizziness and joint pain so intense ``I can't even open a can of soda.'' Her doctor said the reactions were due to the shot, but on the next visit assigned blame to a kidney stone. ``Now he says I've got an aging problem,'' Fluck said. ``The next doctor said I had a political problem, not a medical problem. A vaccine that has so many unanswered questions should not be mandated for children.'' ``Adverse event'' reports for hep B show that 77 percent of adults with reactions are women. The government attributes this to many nurses being women, and to an over-reporting bias among such health-conscious workers. Perhaps the witness who made officials most nervous was Wall Street statistician Belkin, trained at the University of California-Berkeley and an adviser to investment bankers and big stock firms. Belkin's healthy five-week-old daughter Lyla died in September, 15 hours after a hepatitis B shot. In a statistical analysis of the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System database for hep B inoculations, Belkin said he found 24,775 reports from July 1990 to Oct. 31, 1998, with 439 deaths and 9,673 serious reactions involving emergency room visits, hospitalization, disablement or death. Dr. Harold Margolis, chief of the CDC's hepatitis branch, defended the infant shots because, ``For children less than 1 year of age who become infected, 90 percent will remain chronically infected'' -- and because hep B ``often goes undetected for 20 to 40 years until the resulting liver disease makes the person ill.'' Belkin also railed about persistent CDC and ACIP estimates of more than 100,000 new hep B infections a year, when the official CDC reported case data shows about 10,000. They are passing off estimated, hypothetical numbers as actual cases, he said. This is statistical fraud. 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Guest guest Posted October 17, 1999 Report Share Posted October 17, 1999 , I know this is old and I don't know if you got a response but here is mine. According to the 5/18 Congressional hearing on Hepatitis B...it lives for up to 7 days on hard surfaces (ie. tables, etc.) According to the hearing it is not as weak of a disease as HIV/AIDS and therefore can live longer. One thing my mom recently taught me is an EASY way to essentially disinfect to some degree when we go out to eat. I now ask for a bowl of lemon slices when we go out. I slide our knife, fork, etc. through the lemon. I also squirt it on the table and wipe it up...esp. in the area in front of my daughter since occassionally she spills somehting and scoops it up quickly and eats it (much to my horror but faster than I can stop her). DeMaio wrote: > > From: austinsmom@... ( DeMaio) > > I've been meaning to post this for a bit.... > > I've told people that Hep B was the dumbest of all vax to get because > it's not an " infectious " disease - it's contracted the same as HIV with > the same types of risk factors. So until kids were old enough to at > least be sexually active, it shouldn't even be considered. > > Well, I can't find what I read now, but it was by a doc who said that > the virus has been found to live on inanimate objects for up to a week. > Is this true? When/if this gets around, people are definitely going to > believe the vaccine is worth the risk because this type of transmission > are what people are scared of the most. How could we defend it then? > > > > -- @... *************************************************************** We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice *************************************************************** Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you implement that decision is yours and yours alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 1999 Report Share Posted October 19, 1999 I live in an area that seems surprisingly to be very pro-vaccination, in spite of the abundance of herbal, homeopathic and other " alternative " resources here. VERY hard to find pediatricians willing to support non-vaccination. And if you've ever had to bring home a baby from the hospital, you know you must have a *pediatrician* sign off to let you take that baby home. Hence I've interviewed quite a few pediatricians in my on-going quest. Every pediatrician I have interviewed has admitted that Hep B virus boils down to a lifestyle issue. They may not like admitting it, but they do admit it. I have also heard some admit that they believe the Hep B vaccine is good also because it helps " vaccinate " the world, since it is a *live* vaccine and people can get Hep B from dirty diapers, etc.. Think about it - most every time you have ever heard of a Hep B outbreak, it's been linked to poor food handling and a dirty diaper at the end. I especially do not like live vaccines as they put many groups of people at risk, outside normal healthy adults: pre-mature babies, children who are not vaccinated and cared for by someone who changes diapers of vaccinated children, the elderly, pregnant women, nursing babies whose mothers do not have the antibodies to pass on through their breast milk - you name it. To help combat this we don't put our children in daycare and I breastfeed. We wash hands scrupulously and constantly. We have hand sanitizer handy everywhere, including the diaper bag, which I use not only for hands, but also on surfaces when necessary. When company comes over, I let them know the hand sanitizer is there and encourage them to " feel free " to use it as well. If/when doting people touch my children, I keep wipes handy to wash my children's hands and face with after and also teach them from an early age how to wash their hands and face. Always use a diaper changing pad when out and sanitize it once home. Keep a bottle of bleach water solution handy to spray down surfaces. Aside from that, I don't worry too much farther. In order for an immune system to be strong, it must be exercised. Though I especially protect my newborns, once they're old enough to eat on their own I do not worry as much. My goal is not to entirely shelter my children from ever getting sick. That would be a dis-service in itself. Healthy diet and good habits will go far to help protect anyone, even when everyone else at home is sick. I want my children's immune systems to be strong on their own. --- Reiss <lisa@...> wrote: > , > I know this is old and I don't know if you got a > response but here is > mine. > > According to the 5/18 Congressional hearing on > Hepatitis B...it lives > for up to 7 days on hard surfaces (ie. tables, etc.) > According to the > hearing it is not as weak of a disease as HIV/AIDS > and therefore can > live longer. > > One thing my mom recently taught me is an EASY way > to essentially > disinfect to some degree when we go out to eat. I > now ask for a bowl of > lemon slices when we go out. I slide our knife, > fork, etc. through the > lemon. I also squirt it on the table and wipe it > up...esp. in the area > in front of my daughter since occassionally she > spills somehting and > scoops it up quickly and eats it (much to my horror > but faster than I > can stop her). > > > > DeMaio wrote: > > > > From: austinsmom@... ( DeMaio) > > > > I've been meaning to post this for a bit.... > > > > I've told people that Hep B was the dumbest of all > vax to get because > > it's not an " infectious " disease - it's contracted > the same as HIV with > > the same types of risk factors. So until kids were > old enough to at > > least be sexually active, it shouldn't even be > considered. > > > > Well, I can't find what I read now, but it was by > a doc who said that > > the virus has been found to live on inanimate > objects for up to a week. > > Is this true? When/if this gets around, people are > definitely going to > > believe the vaccine is worth the risk because this > type of transmission > > are what people are scared of the most. How could > we defend it then? > > > > > > > > > -- > @... > *************************************************************** > We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect > Everyone's Choice > *************************************************************** > Any information obtained here is not to be construed > as medical > OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how > you > implement that decision is yours and yours alone. > <HR> <html> > ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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