Guest guest Posted November 23, 1999 Report Share Posted November 23, 1999 On a whim, I sent an email to a mom who has posted a note in a guestbook of another mom's web site dedicated to her daughter she lost to a vaccine reaction. Here is a bit of her note, she talks about reaction to dpt (my ds began to wheeze 3 days after his dpt and ended up in the hospital on the 10th day due to respiratory distress) <'No, he didn't have a reaction. The only thing he had was a couple of weeks after the shot he had an upper respiratory infection (bad cough, asthma like symptoms, reflux in which the gagging and choking can sound like a bad cough and other things along those lines). My son began coughing badly about 2 weeks after his first immunizations and after two more weeks we were in the hospital to monitor his breathing because he was having such horrible coughing spells he was turning blue around his lips and he was diagnosed with 'para-pertussis'. That is to say he had all the symptoms of having whooping cough (pertussis) without having the virus or bacteria in his system. From beginning to end it was about 7 weeks. I believed my dr when I asked her for the 40th time if it could have been from the shot and she said 'no'. Since her sub-specialty was immunology, I believed she would know. Within 16 hours of his second shot, he had the hour+ seizure. I believed that if he did react again to another shot, it would have been more of the same of what we had just been through. I knew I could deal with that.> >From: Mum2nini@... >Reply-Vaccinationsonelist >Vaccinationsonelist >Subject: Pertussis? >Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:08:20 EST > > > Does it sound like pertussis to you?Her ped says no way I suppose since >she > has had her vaccinations,but mother thinks it IS pertussis. > > << >I know this is a longshot, but is it possible to catch >pertussis from the vaccine? I know it's possible with >some vaccines, just not sure if all. I'm not big on >getting them, but currently I have to. >The reason I ask is... I know my ped is going to think >I'm crazy... my dd has had the most awful cough. She >coughs so hard that she vomits and quits breathing as >she chokes on the mucous. She vomits about once every >night, right after nursing, and once or twice a day. >I have had her to the ped several times and he felt she >had bronchiolitis from RSV. After about 11/2 weeks he >sent her for a cbc and chest x-ray, plus a nasal >secretion test for RSV. Everything came back ok, the >RSV was negative, and he said she must just have really >bad cold. White blood cells were only slightly elevated >(12.2), so he felt it was a virus. >But, here's the thing I keep thinking. She got her >first set of vaccines 10/20, she was just 3 months >old. Her cough started about 1 1/2 weeks later, and >was not real bad then but very congested sounding. I >looked up info about bronchiolitis and her symptoms, >IMO, don't match that. She has gotten really bad at >times, even going limp after a coughing fit in which >she vomited yellow mucous 3 times in about 30 mins. That is not >bronchiolitis. >Anyway, she has an appt with her ped tomorrow. I want >to tell him what I think, but I'm so sure he'll just >think I'm crazy. How should I ask? What tests should >I make him run? More important, what else could this >be? I hope it's something else.Any suggestions? Heeeelllllp....>> ><< text3.html >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 yes certainly but I would suggest you can treat so-called strep with homeopathy and not antibiotics which are also harmful for many reasons. Sheri listowner At 01:33 PM 10/13/2011, you wrote: Please do NOT vaccinate your child just because you are afraid they might have pertussis. Pertussis not deadly but the vaccine most certainly is! My daughter had it at 18 months and she is healthy and fine now. It is very often followed by strep throat by the way and few realize this. Our daughter contracted strep after the pertussis and we did put her on antibiotic. if you have to do antibiotic though, make sure you are giving probiotics at the same time! I agree the cough and breathing can be scary if they are gasping. If you truly think the child is gasping for air, take them to the ER but do not let them vax her -- Pertussis is treatable but the damage from the vaccine is not. Hope this helps and hope you feel better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I just wanted to add that many many doctors still immediately resort to antibiotics if a strep test comes back negative however, that may soon be changing as even webmd online says this about strep infections now.....“Strep throat will go away in 3 to 7 days with or without treatment. Doctors usually treat strep throat with antibiotics even though they may not make you well faster.â€.....So, just another illness that doctors overtreat at the expense of our immunity & health Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 13, 2011, at 3:15 PM, Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...> wrote: yes certainly but I would suggest you can treat so-called strep with homeopathy and not antibiotics which are also harmful for many reasons. Sheri listowner At 01:33 PM 10/13/2011, you wrote: Please do NOT vaccinate your child just because you are afraid they might have pertussis. Pertussis not deadly but the vaccine most certainly is! My daughter had it at 18 months and she is healthy and fine now. It is very often followed by strep throat by the way and few realize this. Our daughter contracted strep after the pertussis and we did put her on antibiotic. if you have to do antibiotic though, make sure you are giving probiotics at the same time! I agree the cough and breathing can be scary if they are gasping. If you truly think the child is gasping for air, take them to the ER but do not let them vax her -- Pertussis is treatable but the damage from the vaccine is not. Hope this helps and hope you feel better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 MIchelle: Just got this email. Thanks for the info. I have not accessed the in a long while. Please tell me how I can do that again. I have not gotten any other emails. Our daughter is not vaccinated and there is always pressure to do so. Also, your daughter got strep...do you know of another treatment that is natural instead of antibiotics for strep? Thanks.Sincerely, Diane -- -- Diane Hernández Soriano, LCSW, CHTInspired Within☼ Coaching & ConsultingForgiveness FacilitatorReiki Master-Spiritual MentorServicios en espanol d.inspiredwithin@...408.963.7318 Vaccinations ; Kontessa_Rose@...From: michellenemphos@...Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 13:33:08 -0700Subject: Re: Pertussis?Please do NOT vaccinate your child just because you are afraid they might have pertussis. Pertussis not deadly but the vaccine most certainly is!My daughter had it at 18 months and she is healthy and fine now. It is very often followed by strep throat by the way and few realize this. Our daughter contracted strep after the pertussis and we did put her on antibiotic. if you have to do antibiotic though, make sure you are giving probiotics at the same time! I agree the cough and breathing can be scary if they are gasping. If you truly think the child is gasping for air, take them to the ER but do not let them vax her -- Pertussis is treatable but the damage from the vaccine is not.Hope this helps and hope you feel better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Can you get cod liver oil? When my little ones have been sick, I put cod liver oil (one with naturally occurring Vitamins A and D from the liver. Check the label.) in a bottle with juice. Do you drink pasteurized milk or raw milk? Definitely don't give the pasteurized milk. You can put Hydrogen peroxide in a cool mist humidifier in a 3/5 ratio. 3 parts hydrogen peroxide and 5 parts water.http://www.ehow.com/way_5833378_hydrogen-using-cool-mist-humidifier.html Also, can you find a classical homeopathic doctor near by? I would go to them. They will be able to help. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:34 PM, kontessa_rose <Kontessa_Rose@...> wrote: My throat is really bothering me. Not so much hurting but feeling like it is folding in on it self and closing. I hope she is not feeling like this! My oldest is still up as well, just a sore throat for her though, no cough. Pulled out the humidifier last night, eucalyptus and peppermint and tea tree oil in it. Not sure it has helped any of us. Started giving the older kids and DH and I Oscillococcinum. Not sure I should give these little pellets to baby though? I have no Vit C in the house! I dosed Vit D though as I know we have not been getting enough sun the last month. Is there a Vit C I can get to give baby? You mentioned no dairy and I know that is wise when mucus is the issue but we are all dry, dry throats and cough sound from baby. She loves milk... (I know, I know, weird giving cow milk to human baby but I have a condition that gets in the way of breastfeeding a full supply and I dry up without Dom) So breastmilk while perfect, is not an option. Course if giving up dairy will help a dry illness issue we WILL. I have some basic Homeopathics and theraputic grade EOs that can be taken internally even. However I am clueless how to treat this. I think fear might be getting in the way honestly. Took benadryl a while ago to see if this was maybe an allergy and my throat still feels like it is closing. -sigh- Just at a loss. > > Perhaps if vaccines worked and weren't so deadly, sure, maybe vaccinating would be fine because there would be nothing to lose. But they don't work. Most cases of pertussis are in vaccinated people. Don't kick yourself for being smart enough to know better when your head was clear. > > A lot of people are having these kinds of coughs/sore throats right now, including my family! I don't know if it's the weather changing, and all the rain/mold, allergies or what. It could be pertussis, or it could be croup (which can be awfully scary to hear, too) or maybe something else. Just follow your gut on this. If you think it might be pertussis, you can always get her tested (keeping in mind they will report it). I was an experienced mom, too, when my 11yr-old got it and I was totally wigged out when I heard the sound, too. So, I can only imagine how you must feel with an 18 month old. > > I would give her immune system building supplements like Vit. C, quercetin if you have any, use a vaporizer or sit in a steamy shower, and keep dairy out of her diet, too. Homeopathic meds are great, too. Are you familiar with them? We also used a homepathic cough syrup which my son swore made the difference. > > Good luck tomorrow! And keep us updated. > > Winnie > Pertussis? > Vaccinations > > > > > -sigh- > > > > In maryland with 4 children. A few days ago one complained of a > > sour throat. No fevers for any of us really unless very low. My > > throat has been feeling odd, like tight at the bottom and > > breathing is not painful but not easy is that makes sense and I > > get these attacks the last two days, just a few in the evening > > where I have to focus and breath and it is not comfortable. No > > coughing with me and my oldest. She had a few vax as a baby... > > mistakes by others not me! I have not had a vax since I was a > > child because they caused fevers that went on for weeks very > > high. > > > > Ok so last night baby 18 months wakes up with the oddest > > sound ever. Crying and hard to catch her breath and it is a > > cough/cry/dry harsh sound. It was ok most of the day and tonight > > it is back even when she is sitting up. For once I am honestly > > scared that maybe I should have vaxed the kids. > > > > I already had a Dr appointment for tomorrow (Diabetic now) and > > was going to talk to the Dr about my throat and breathing. > > Thinking I should take baby in tomorrow morning as well. They > > will know she is not vaxed as it is a military clinic. > > > > I am not even sure why I am posting. Just... this sound is > > scaring the heck out of me. It is not like I am a new mom, my > > oldest is 12. I remember someone telling me that if pertussis is > > caught early with antibiotics then it will help. (Someone in our > > homeschool group had it last year for months, the whole family) > > > > Just... worried. She is so little and no longer breastfed and > > she can't tell us when she does not feel well. Just so little. > > > > -Kim > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Thank you all for the care and concern. I wanted to update. Last night was one of the hardest ones in 12 years of parenting. Baby scared the heck out of us. Fever was 103, and we heard every hard breath she had last night. Nothing for her was easy. We held her up right and cuddled and tried everything we could think of, even walking her 2 miles at 4am in a sling as it seemed to help the most. Dr says it is croup. My little sister, her girl friend, and their baby have been staying with us, that baby was sick last week but they where out of state this week. I checked with her and she said she took her son to a Dr and that Dr said he had croup Monday. So it does line up. Gave us a prescription for an anti-infamitory that I will look up soon. I am left wondering if baby has croup what my oldest Dr and I have. No appointments for today so Oldest will go in Monday, making it a week from onset. If it is strep and not gone by then we will be looking to treat with anti-biotics as my oldest had strep at 3 years old that was not treated as the Dr didn't think it needed to be and it turned into scarlet fever. Scarlet fever is the worst we have had to deal with though, none of the big bads people vax for so far anyway. I however do not want to go through that again specially with the same child. I am open to learning more and other treatments. My baby and middle daughter got the flu last January and it hit hard on just them and all home treatments seemed to fail, it ran it's course but nothing but motrin seemed to help them rest at all. I sometimes feel useless. I have alternatives but I keep failing at treating with them. My midwife swears by EO's internally and so far they have not helped with much. One starts to lose hope.... I am rambling. Thanks for dealing with me! All the best, Kim > > > > > >> Please do NOT vaccinate your child just because you are afraid they might have pertussis. Pertussis not deadly but the vaccine most certainly is! > >> > >> My daughter had it at 18 months and she is healthy and fine now. It is very often followed by strep throat by the way and few realize this. Our daughter contracted strep after the pertussis and we did put her on antibiotic. if you have to do antibiotic though, make sure you are giving probiotics at the same time! I agree the cough and breathing can be scary if they are gasping. If you truly think the child is gasping for air, take them to the ER but do not let them vax her -- Pertussis is treatable but the damage from the vaccine is not. > >> > >> Hope this helps and hope you feel better! > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Croup is kind of a generic description of a cough due to usually viral causes (they say). It's not really a particular disease. It's like saying "rash." There are various causes, but it's not a condition in and of itself. Two of my kids had it several times, and only when they were little. It's probably that you all have the same thing, but your daughter and you are older so it doesn't come out as a croupy cough. The method that worked for us every time was to sit in a steamy shower for 15 minutes after giving them a particular homeopathic remedy (Spongia--it might be a different one for you). I don't remember even having a second night of the coughing, which is a barking sound. Is that what she had? Strep should have nothing to do with this. Coughing isn't a symptom of strep. The person who mentioned it earlier was talking about it happening after pertussis sometimes. But pertussis is not the problem here, so there's no reason to be worried about strep. Anti-inflammatory meds do not heal. They suppress the symptoms. I wouldn't use it. Same with Motrin. It "works" because it hides the symptoms. But it doesn't heal, and can make things worse in the long run. Google "Motrin and blind girl." Homeopathics and vitamins are much safer. This illness should be gone any time now anyway. At this point, just make sure she is rested and give her a lot of clear fluids and steamy showers. Hope you get some rest, too! Winnie Re: Pertussis?Vaccinations > > Thank you all for the care and concern. I wanted to update. > > Last night was one of the hardest ones in 12 years of > parenting. Baby scared the heck out of us. Fever was 103, and we > heard every hard breath she had last night. Nothing for her was > easy. We held her up right and cuddled and tried everything we > could think of, even walking her 2 miles at 4am in a sling as it > seemed to help the most. > > Dr says it is croup. My little sister, her girl friend, and > their baby have been staying with us, that baby was sick last > week but they where out of state this week. I checked with her > and she said she took her son to a Dr and that Dr said he had > croup Monday. So it does line up. > > Gave us a prescription for an anti-infamitory that I will look > up soon. > > I am left wondering if baby has croup what my oldest Dr and I > have. No appointments for today so Oldest will go in Monday, > making it a week from onset. If it is strep and not gone by then > we will be looking to treat with anti-biotics as my oldest had > strep at 3 years old that was not treated as the Dr didn't think > it needed to be and it turned into scarlet fever. Scarlet fever > is the worst we have had to deal with though, none of the big > bads people vax for so far anyway. I however do not want to go > through that again specially with the same child. > > I am open to learning more and other treatments. My baby and > middle daughter got the flu last January and it hit hard on just > them and all home treatments seemed to fail, it ran it's course > but nothing but motrin seemed to help them rest at all. I > sometimes feel useless. I have alternatives but I keep failing > at treating with them. My midwife swears by EO's internally and > so far they have not helped with much. One starts to lose > hope.... > > > I am rambling. Thanks for dealing with me! > > All the best, > Kim> > > > > > > > > > > >> Please do NOT vaccinate your child just because you are > afraid they might have pertussis. Pertussis not deadly but the > vaccine most certainly is!> > >> > > >> My daughter had it at 18 months and she is healthy and fine > now. It is very often followed by strep throat by the way and > few realize this. Our daughter contracted strep after the > pertussis and we did put her on antibiotic. if you have to do > antibiotic though, make sure you are giving probiotics at the > same time! I agree the cough and breathing can be scary if they > are gasping. If you truly think the child is gasping for air, > take them to the ER but do not let them vax her -- Pertussis is > treatable but the damage from the vaccine is not.> > >> > > >> Hope this helps and hope you feel better!> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 My son gets croup once every year (for the past three years). He’s fully vaccinated. It’s the scariest sound so I can understand how you felt! The first year he got it, in the middle of night, I sat with him in the bathroom as I filled the tub with hot water. We sat there for a half hour and he fell back asleep and slept the whole night without a problem. He woke up the next day fine. Year two, I tried the tub thing and it didn’t seem to help too much. So I placed him back into bed and opened up his bedroom window and let the cold winter air in. I had him covered well with blankets. The cold air helped him out so much and he slept until morning and was over it. Last year we tried the tub and the homeopathic remedy Spongia, and that knocked him out and he was back to sleep until morning. It’s always just lasted one night in our home. I can sympathize with you as far as giving in to conventional ways. I am still new to all this and I am confident that I can battle anything when the children aren’t sick but then when they do fall ill, I’m a wreck. The people on this board are so helpful and understanding so you’re in good hands! From: kontessa_rose Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 11:01 AM Vaccinations Subject: Re: Pertussis? Thank you all for the care and concern. I wanted to update. Last night was one of the hardest ones in 12 years of parenting. Baby scared the heck out of us. Fever was 103, and we heard every hard breath she had last night. Nothing for her was easy. We held her up right and cuddled and tried everything we could think of, even walking her 2 miles at 4am in a sling as it seemed to help the most. Dr says it is croup. My little sister, her girl friend, and their baby have been staying with us, that baby was sick last week but they where out of state this week. I checked with her and she said she took her son to a Dr and that Dr said he had croup Monday. So it does line up. Gave us a prescription for an anti-infamitory that I will look up soon. I am left wondering if baby has croup what my oldest Dr and I have. No appointments for today so Oldest will go in Monday, making it a week from onset. If it is strep and not gone by then we will be looking to treat with anti-biotics as my oldest had strep at 3 years old that was not treated as the Dr didn't think it needed to be and it turned into scarlet fever. Scarlet fever is the worst we have had to deal with though, none of the big bads people vax for so far anyway. I however do not want to go through that again specially with the same child. I am open to learning more and other treatments. My baby and middle daughter got the flu last January and it hit hard on just them and all home treatments seemed to fail, it ran it's course but nothing but motrin seemed to help them rest at all. I sometimes feel useless. I have alternatives but I keep failing at treating with them. My midwife swears by EO's internally and so far they have not helped with much. One starts to lose hope.... I am rambling. Thanks for dealing with me! All the best, Kim> > > > > >> Please do NOT vaccinate your child just because you are afraid they might have pertussis. Pertussis not deadly but the vaccine most certainly is!> >> > >> My daughter had it at 18 months and she is healthy and fine now. It is very often followed by strep throat by the way and few realize this. Our daughter contracted strep after the pertussis and we did put her on antibiotic. if you have to do antibiotic though, make sure you are giving probiotics at the same time! I agree the cough and breathing can be scary if they are gasping. If you truly think the child is gasping for air, take them to the ER but do not let them vax her -- Pertussis is treatable but the damage from the vaccine is not.> >> > >> Hope this helps and hope you feel better!> >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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