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<< Has anybody tried bromelain? From what I have found it helps with the

digestion of protein. >>

Yes, and eat pineapple after your meal. It's wonderful for digestion.

My food-based multi-vitamin contains natural enzymes, also.

Best,

Judi

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Hi ,

I use Bromelain as part of my Cantron regimen (I don't have cancer; I'm using

it as a preventative). I take Cantron, Bromelain and Pancreatin twice a day.

This combination has greatly reduced my sugar cravings and " cured " IBS.

Don't know if this is of much help.

Marcie

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Also great for lung congestion along with lots of water.

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> Has anybody tried bromelain?

> >From what I have found it helps with the digestion of protein.

>

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As I recall, Bromelain (from pineapple is NOT the active ingredient

responsible for healing; it is XERONINE). And xeronine is not found in

today's pineapples in sufficient quantities needed for healing, because

most of the minerals in the soil have been depleted.

An expert on Bromelain/Xeronine said when he tested PURIFIED bromelain for

a pharmaceutical company, the bromelain extract produced NO special health

benefits. But the isolation of XERONINE gave significant results.

XERONINE is needed in ALL of our cells and is so transient that it has

eluded researches until several years ago. One of the most popular source

of xeronine today is Noni. Some people drink half a bottle a day to get

well.

On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 MSUMMERS11@... wrote:

> HI Melinda,

>

> IBS is irritable bowel syndrom. I get my Pancreatin and Bromelain from the

> healthfood store.

>

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Noni is the name of a medicinal plant used by the polynesians to treat

diseases.

Joyce

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Marcie:

I'm a fan of Cantron. My husband is on it as part of his protocol. I've

tried taking it as a preventive. Causes very dry and cracked lips for me.

But that won't stop me. My dr says its a very powerful anti oxidant and we

should all be taking it as we get older. Possibly I don't take enuf water.

should drink 1 gal per day. That's only about 8 glasses.

I'm told taking high doses of Vit C, E and selenium. blocks its

effectiveness. Also Essiac Tea and anything that raises the energy level.

I'd like to know as much as possible about Cantron aka Cancell and anyone's

experience with it.(The name was changed several times to try to get the FDA

to test) They tested to a point, then dropped it when it showed some

promising results.

It has a very interesting website and I've spoken to several people who left

phone#'s on website who claim to have been cured.

Carol

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Watch the herbs. Anything that raises the energy level can block the

effectiveness of Cantron. Germanium - and Bromelain OK. Talk to Tony

Bell if you haven't already. HIs phone # is on the website. He can tell

you things that they can't print in their literature - per the FDA

" protecting " us.

Carol

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cbil-@... wrote:

original article:cures for cancer/?start=4206

> -

> Watch the herbs. Anything that raises the energy level can block the

> effectiveness of Cantron. Germanium - and Bromelain OK. Talk to

Tony

> Bell if you haven't already. HIs phone # is on the website. He can

tell

> you things that they can't print in their literature - per the FDA

> " protecting " us.

> Carol

Thanks. I have talked to Tony Bell on three occasions. In addition to

Ge-132 and Bromelain, he also said Megazyme Forte which is " coated "

pancreatin and I can't find it in local health stores. I bought this

from Medical Research Products along with the Cantron.

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Dr. Steve wrote:

> From: " Dr. Steve " <moores@...>

>

> who ever tries this should let us know how it works.

>

> I tried it years ago, its basically just a digestive enzyme available in

nearly every health food catalog or store. All it did was give me stomach aches

and chest pains.......needless to say

> another one for the garbage can for me.......might work for someone else???

Marcia

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I thought bromelain was in most digestive enzymes. My understanding is that

since they help digest food there is less chance of particles leaking in the gut

therefore this helps shift to Th1.

Phil

Hess wrote:

> From: " Hess " <krhess@...>

>

> Hmmm--very interesting info on bromelain on Ken's website.

>

> Is anyone else trying it yet?

>

> A concern would be that it increases cytokine production. (great

> guru of Th1/th2 immune understanding), since many of us have increased

> th2 production, do you think bromelain might make us feel worse?

>

> Hope

>

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Yes it is in, 10 -100 GDU, but ~ 2000 GDU/day is where the other benefits show

up.

This italian study is relatively unknown by most US MDs:

http://www.mucos.cz/eng/gyn/lue_vig.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Philip L Comer

From: Philip L Comer <philcome@...>

I thought bromelain was in most digestive enzymes. My understanding is that

since they help digest food there is less chance of particles leaking in the gut

therefore this helps shift to Th1.

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.... 1 week IF you have severe platette aggregation

..... 3 months for significant fibrin (if you have such) - do you have

temperature sensistivity Or difficulty with blood draws?

and two weeks until the checks goes off.... (actually, it will go off

anyways...)

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Steve

I have been eating it like candy all week --no benifits. How long should I

give it?

Steve

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My preference is that people read the source material linked to from

http://www.folkarts.com/idef/bromelain.htm and come to their own conclusions....

but since we are dealing with the brain-fogged,

First try 600 GDU/day or less for a couple of days (especially if you are

allergic to bee stings) - see if any problems appear...

If NOT on antibiotics, I would suggest 2400 GDU/day for a week and then increase

it to around 4800 GDU/Day.

If on ANTIBIOTICS, I would suggest 600 GDU on the first day and then increase by

600 GDU every 2nd day until you reach 2400 GDU/day or start herxing too badly.

Over 2400 GDU, Laurie feels significantly worst from herxing (but it takes a day

for that to show up), but that is different for each person.

If your bromelain capulses are other than 600 GDU, then adjust accordingly --

the goal is to keep a constant flow (since it clears itself out of the body in <

24 hrs) throughout the day

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From: http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/bromelain1-4.html

" Toxicity tests on dogs, with increasing levels of bromelain up to 750 mg/kg

administered daily, showed no toxic effects after six months. "

That would translate into 40 grams/day for most humans...

and also:

" In human clinical tests, side effects have not been observed. Bromelain

supplementation up to 460 mg has been shown to have no effect on heart rate or

blood pressure; however, increasing doses up to 1840 mg have been shown to

increase the heart rate proportionately. In some cases an increase of up to 80%

of the baseline has been reported, which may be a result of bromelain's

influence on IL-1 and TNF production. Maximum effects were seen at 2 hours but

some residual effect remained at 24 hours. At doses above 700 mg, palpitations

and subjective discomfort have been reported. Blood pressure changes have not

been demonstrated in humans at any dosage level.52 "

Also check out: http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/bromelain-tab5.jpg

On the other hand: http://www.healthzone.com/healthnotes/Supp/Bromelain.htm

cites 3000 MCU @ 3 times per day [==> 2000 GDU @ 3 = 6000 GDU per day] ... so

2400 GDU/day appears to be a conservative amount.

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The 'logic' with the higher dosage is that fibrin deposits are very significant

in most CFSers (not all) and you wish to dissolve them. The only alternative

appear to be rat-poison and other industrial strength anti-coagulants, or

letting nature takes it time (unless you happen to be one of those that Dr.Berg

found have a genetic inability to dissolve fibrin -- bad news). The usual

dilemna is, lower dosages are safer/more comfortable but if too low, then they

may only remove as much as is being formed (i.e. status quo is maintained).

.... in short, since my sources has 600 GDU capsules, and I use them WITH each

meal... I end up with 2400 GDU... but some of it is being used to dissolve food

(it is a digestive enzyeme).... that practicality is how I came to the magic

2400 GDU rate...

My MD and I have agreed that the 'exit condition' from stage 1 antibiotics is no

herxing with high bromelain for one week [i.e. likely done with 300 mg of

docycline and 6000 GDU of bromelain for breakfast] or 6 months[whichever occurs

last], then we start the 6 week cycles of other antibiotics - per Nicolson.. the

last week of each cycle will also be high bromelain with no herxing. We are

doing a modified Nicolson-protocol (we are doing at least what he suggests, we

believe that we are able to improve the effectiveness(% successful) using

bromelain).

Probably gave you too much information --

Re: Bromelain

From: " Berry Woolley " <berry@...>

Ken,

Is there a usual dose from which to start? and how high is therapeutic dose

of bromelain?

Thanks,

M-

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>>Bromelain was being fed to dairy cows (experimentally). The bromelain

decreased >>the amount of white blood cells in the milk. The theory was that

it was decreasing >>the amount of inflamation in the udder. (Cows are prone

to mastitis

That sounds correct tho.......

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An Alternative Approach to Rheumatiod Arthritis

....by a systemic infection with mycoplasma, a bacteria that usually can be...

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Usually allergy to bee sting means possible problems with bromelain (according

to the literature)

" Bromelain has been shown to cross-react with the sera in about 28% of persons

with IgE allergic response to honeybee venom.55 Bromelain, along with

horseradish peroxidase and ascorbate oxidase are recognized by the IgE of sera

from patients who are hypersensitive to olive tree pollen.56 "

from: http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/bromelain1-4.html

so 28% of CFIDS patient that are allergic to bee stings MAY react to

bromelain.... hence, make sure that you are in an appropriate support

environment when/if you try it...

If you are allergic, then Serrapeptase appears to be a valid (but more

expensive) alternative (see http://www.folkarts.com/idef/Serrapeptase.htm)

Ken Lassesen

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bromelain

Ken what was that about allergy to bee stings [ I first reacted

to bee stings in 87 ] and bromelain? in ON

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Anne,

Ken Lassesen and his family are longtime users of bromelain with abx. Check

out http://www.folkarts.com/idef/bromelain.htm. There's a wealth of info at

his website on CFS/FMS.

Regards,

Bill

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| Have any of you used Bromelain in conjunction with antibiotics? It is

| supposed to potentiate antibiotics as well as having immune

| modulating properties......so maybe even if you don't have a clotting

| problem it might help? Anyone care to comment?

| Anne

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Anne

I think it does that regardless of coagulation status. If I take

antibiotic alone, never herx; with bromelain often herx. I hated that

stuff for the first few months, but knew it was helping me so kept going.

Now it's much better.

Cindi

>>>Have any of you used Bromelain in conjunction with antibiotics? It is

supposed to potentiate antibiotics as well as having immune

modulating properties......so maybe even if you don't have a clotting

problem it might help? Anyone care to comment?

Anne

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Thanks Cindi......what dose are you taking? I am taking 5oomg three

times a day for starters.

Anne

-- In egroups, canderson@a... wrote:

> Anne

> I think it does that regardless of coagulation status. If I take

> antibiotic alone, never herx; with bromelain often herx. I hated

that

> stuff for the first few months, but knew it was helping me so kept

going.

> Now it's much better.

> Cindi

>

> >>>Have any of you used Bromelain in conjunction with antibiotics?

It is

> supposed to potentiate antibiotics as well as having immune

> modulating properties......so maybe even if you don't have a

clotting

> problem it might help? Anyone care to comment?

> Anne

>

>

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I take 500mg per 100mg of doxycycline. So if I take a doxy in the am, I

take one 500mg. When I take 200mg doxy in the pm, I take 1000mg

Bromelain.

Cindi

johnu@...

01/22/01 05:18 AM

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Subject: Re: Bromelain

Thanks Cindi......what dose are you taking? I am taking 5oomg three

times a day for starters.

Anne

-- In egroups, canderson@a... wrote:

> Anne

> I think it does that regardless of coagulation status. If I take

> antibiotic alone, never herx; with bromelain often herx. I hated

that

> stuff for the first few months, but knew it was helping me so kept

going.

> Now it's much better.

> Cindi

>

> >>>Have any of you used Bromelain in conjunction with antibiotics?

It is

> supposed to potentiate antibiotics as well as having immune

> modulating properties......so maybe even if you don't have a

clotting

> problem it might help? Anyone care to comment?

> Anne

>

>

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