Guest guest Posted November 6, 1999 Report Share Posted November 6, 1999 << Has anybody tried bromelain? From what I have found it helps with the digestion of protein. >> Yes, and eat pineapple after your meal. It's wonderful for digestion. My food-based multi-vitamin contains natural enzymes, also. Best, Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 1999 Report Share Posted November 8, 1999 Hi , I use Bromelain as part of my Cantron regimen (I don't have cancer; I'm using it as a preventative). I take Cantron, Bromelain and Pancreatin twice a day. This combination has greatly reduced my sugar cravings and " cured " IBS. Don't know if this is of much help. Marcie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 1999 Report Share Posted November 8, 1999 Marcie: What is IBS? Where do you get your Pancreatin, Bromelain from? Thanks. Melinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 1999 Report Share Posted November 8, 1999 Also great for lung congestion along with lots of water. Bromelain > Hi, > > Has anybody tried bromelain? > >From what I have found it helps with the digestion of protein. > > Mundo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Imagine a credit card with a 0% Intro APR and Instant Approval. > It seems impossible, but it's not. Visit GetSmart.com's Credit Card > Finder and click on instant approval cards right now at > http://clickhere./click/1269 > > > Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > > -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group calendar! > -- cal?listname=cures for cancer & m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 1999 Report Share Posted November 12, 1999 HI Melinda, IBS is irritable bowel syndrom. I get my Pancreatin and Bromelain from the healthfood store. Marcie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 1999 Report Share Posted November 15, 1999 As I recall, Bromelain (from pineapple is NOT the active ingredient responsible for healing; it is XERONINE). And xeronine is not found in today's pineapples in sufficient quantities needed for healing, because most of the minerals in the soil have been depleted. An expert on Bromelain/Xeronine said when he tested PURIFIED bromelain for a pharmaceutical company, the bromelain extract produced NO special health benefits. But the isolation of XERONINE gave significant results. XERONINE is needed in ALL of our cells and is so transient that it has eluded researches until several years ago. One of the most popular source of xeronine today is Noni. Some people drink half a bottle a day to get well. On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 MSUMMERS11@... wrote: > HI Melinda, > > IBS is irritable bowel syndrom. I get my Pancreatin and Bromelain from the > healthfood store. > > Marcie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > A shopper’s dream come true! Find practically anything on earth at eBay! > Come and browse the more than 2 million items up for bid at any time. > You never know what you might find at eBay! > http://clickhere./click/1140 > > Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > > eGroups.com Home: cures for cancer/ > - Simplifying group communications > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 1999 Report Share Posted November 18, 1999 Noni is the name of a medicinal plant used by the polynesians to treat diseases. Joyce On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, lmundo E Mundo wrote: > Hi Joyce, > > What is noni > > Mundo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > A shopper’s dream come true! Find practically anything on earth at eBay! > Come and browse the more than 2 million items up for bid at any time. > You never know what you might find at eBay! > http://clickhere./click/1140 > > Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > > eGroups.com Home: cures for cancer/ > - Simplifying group communications > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 1999 Report Share Posted December 4, 1999 Marcie: I'm a fan of Cantron. My husband is on it as part of his protocol. I've tried taking it as a preventive. Causes very dry and cracked lips for me. But that won't stop me. My dr says its a very powerful anti oxidant and we should all be taking it as we get older. Possibly I don't take enuf water. should drink 1 gal per day. That's only about 8 glasses. I'm told taking high doses of Vit C, E and selenium. blocks its effectiveness. Also Essiac Tea and anything that raises the energy level. I'd like to know as much as possible about Cantron aka Cancell and anyone's experience with it.(The name was changed several times to try to get the FDA to test) They tested to a point, then dropped it when it showed some promising results. It has a very interesting website and I've spoken to several people who left phone#'s on website who claim to have been cured. Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 1999 Report Share Posted December 4, 1999 - Watch the herbs. Anything that raises the energy level can block the effectiveness of Cantron. Germanium - and Bromelain OK. Talk to Tony Bell if you haven't already. HIs phone # is on the website. He can tell you things that they can't print in their literature - per the FDA " protecting " us. Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 1999 Report Share Posted December 4, 1999 what is the web site name for tonys site? would like his phone nomber to talk to him. thank you. pjbittner@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 1999 Report Share Posted December 5, 1999 cbil-@... wrote: original article:cures for cancer/?start=4206 > - > Watch the herbs. Anything that raises the energy level can block the > effectiveness of Cantron. Germanium - and Bromelain OK. Talk to Tony > Bell if you haven't already. HIs phone # is on the website. He can tell > you things that they can't print in their literature - per the FDA > " protecting " us. > Carol Thanks. I have talked to Tony Bell on three occasions. In addition to Ge-132 and Bromelain, he also said Megazyme Forte which is " coated " pancreatin and I can't find it in local health stores. I bought this from Medical Research Products along with the Cantron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 1999 Report Share Posted December 5, 1999 pjbittne-@... wrote: original article:cures for cancer/?start=4219 > what is the web site name for tonys site? would like his phone nomber to talk > to him. thank you. > pjbittner@... He (Dr. Tony Bell) does not have a web site to my knowledge. His telephone is 330-688-3147. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2000 Report Share Posted January 11, 2000 Dr. Steve wrote: > From: " Dr. Steve " <moores@...> > > who ever tries this should let us know how it works. > > I tried it years ago, its basically just a digestive enzyme available in nearly every health food catalog or store. All it did was give me stomach aches and chest pains.......needless to say > another one for the garbage can for me.......might work for someone else??? Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2000 Report Share Posted January 19, 2000 I thought bromelain was in most digestive enzymes. My understanding is that since they help digest food there is less chance of particles leaking in the gut therefore this helps shift to Th1. Phil Hess wrote: > From: " Hess " <krhess@...> > > Hmmm--very interesting info on bromelain on Ken's website. > > Is anyone else trying it yet? > > A concern would be that it increases cytokine production. (great > guru of Th1/th2 immune understanding), since many of us have increased > th2 production, do you think bromelain might make us feel worse? > > Hope > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2000 Report Share Posted January 20, 2000 Yes it is in, 10 -100 GDU, but ~ 2000 GDU/day is where the other benefits show up. This italian study is relatively unknown by most US MDs: http://www.mucos.cz/eng/gyn/lue_vig.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip L Comer From: Philip L Comer <philcome@...> I thought bromelain was in most digestive enzymes. My understanding is that since they help digest food there is less chance of particles leaking in the gut therefore this helps shift to Th1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2000 Report Share Posted February 1, 2000 .... 1 week IF you have severe platette aggregation ..... 3 months for significant fibrin (if you have such) - do you have temperature sensistivity Or difficulty with blood draws? and two weeks until the checks goes off.... (actually, it will go off anyways...) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Steve I have been eating it like candy all week --no benifits. How long should I give it? Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please click above to support our sponsor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2000 Report Share Posted February 2, 2000 no severe temperature problems & I get blood drawn all the time. The techs like me because I have big veins and I bleed like a stuck hog. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2000 Report Share Posted February 5, 2000 Ken, Is there a usual dose from which to start? and how high is therapeutic dose of bromelain? Thanks, M- Digest Number 644 > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2000 Report Share Posted February 5, 2000 My preference is that people read the source material linked to from http://www.folkarts.com/idef/bromelain.htm and come to their own conclusions.... but since we are dealing with the brain-fogged, First try 600 GDU/day or less for a couple of days (especially if you are allergic to bee stings) - see if any problems appear... If NOT on antibiotics, I would suggest 2400 GDU/day for a week and then increase it to around 4800 GDU/Day. If on ANTIBIOTICS, I would suggest 600 GDU on the first day and then increase by 600 GDU every 2nd day until you reach 2400 GDU/day or start herxing too badly. Over 2400 GDU, Laurie feels significantly worst from herxing (but it takes a day for that to show up), but that is different for each person. If your bromelain capulses are other than 600 GDU, then adjust accordingly -- the goal is to keep a constant flow (since it clears itself out of the body in < 24 hrs) throughout the day ----------------------------------------------------- From: http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/bromelain1-4.html " Toxicity tests on dogs, with increasing levels of bromelain up to 750 mg/kg administered daily, showed no toxic effects after six months. " That would translate into 40 grams/day for most humans... and also: " In human clinical tests, side effects have not been observed. Bromelain supplementation up to 460 mg has been shown to have no effect on heart rate or blood pressure; however, increasing doses up to 1840 mg have been shown to increase the heart rate proportionately. In some cases an increase of up to 80% of the baseline has been reported, which may be a result of bromelain's influence on IL-1 and TNF production. Maximum effects were seen at 2 hours but some residual effect remained at 24 hours. At doses above 700 mg, palpitations and subjective discomfort have been reported. Blood pressure changes have not been demonstrated in humans at any dosage level.52 " Also check out: http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/bromelain-tab5.jpg On the other hand: http://www.healthzone.com/healthnotes/Supp/Bromelain.htm cites 3000 MCU @ 3 times per day [==> 2000 GDU @ 3 = 6000 GDU per day] ... so 2400 GDU/day appears to be a conservative amount. ----------------------------------------------------- The 'logic' with the higher dosage is that fibrin deposits are very significant in most CFSers (not all) and you wish to dissolve them. The only alternative appear to be rat-poison and other industrial strength anti-coagulants, or letting nature takes it time (unless you happen to be one of those that Dr.Berg found have a genetic inability to dissolve fibrin -- bad news). The usual dilemna is, lower dosages are safer/more comfortable but if too low, then they may only remove as much as is being formed (i.e. status quo is maintained). .... in short, since my sources has 600 GDU capsules, and I use them WITH each meal... I end up with 2400 GDU... but some of it is being used to dissolve food (it is a digestive enzyeme).... that practicality is how I came to the magic 2400 GDU rate... My MD and I have agreed that the 'exit condition' from stage 1 antibiotics is no herxing with high bromelain for one week [i.e. likely done with 300 mg of docycline and 6000 GDU of bromelain for breakfast] or 6 months[whichever occurs last], then we start the 6 week cycles of other antibiotics - per Nicolson.. the last week of each cycle will also be high bromelain with no herxing. We are doing a modified Nicolson-protocol (we are doing at least what he suggests, we believe that we are able to improve the effectiveness(% successful) using bromelain). Probably gave you too much information -- Re: Bromelain From: " Berry Woolley " <berry@...> Ken, Is there a usual dose from which to start? and how high is therapeutic dose of bromelain? Thanks, M- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2000 Report Share Posted March 15, 2000 fjh@... writes: >>Bromelain was being fed to dairy cows (experimentally). The bromelain decreased >>the amount of white blood cells in the milk. The theory was that it was decreasing >>the amount of inflamation in the udder. (Cows are prone to mastitis That sounds correct tho....... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A Practical Look at Contagious Mastitis ////Mycoplasma spp. http://www.google.com/search?q=mycoplasma%2Cbromelain%2Cmastitis & num=10 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ An Alternative Approach to Rheumatiod Arthritis ....by a systemic infection with mycoplasma, a bacteria that usually can be... ....digestive enzymes), plant enzymes and bromelain (from pineapples) not... www.srvitamins.com/Articles/AnAlternativeApproachtoRheumatiodArthritis.htm - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2000 Report Share Posted July 4, 2000 Usually allergy to bee sting means possible problems with bromelain (according to the literature) " Bromelain has been shown to cross-react with the sera in about 28% of persons with IgE allergic response to honeybee venom.55 Bromelain, along with horseradish peroxidase and ascorbate oxidase are recognized by the IgE of sera from patients who are hypersensitive to olive tree pollen.56 " from: http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/bromelain1-4.html so 28% of CFIDS patient that are allergic to bee stings MAY react to bromelain.... hence, make sure that you are in an appropriate support environment when/if you try it... If you are allergic, then Serrapeptase appears to be a valid (but more expensive) alternative (see http://www.folkarts.com/idef/Serrapeptase.htm) Ken Lassesen 2 @ 2 ft PWC, 2 @ 4ft PWC 2 ft PWC: http://www.folkarts.com/idef/ 4 ft PWC: http://corgi.folkarts.com/ Fax: (520) 832-6836 ICQ #: 2122097 (also Netmeeting with Video) bromelain Ken what was that about allergy to bee stings [ I first reacted to bee stings in 87 ] and bromelain? in ON ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2001 Report Share Posted January 20, 2001 Anne, Ken Lassesen and his family are longtime users of bromelain with abx. Check out http://www.folkarts.com/idef/bromelain.htm. There's a wealth of info at his website on CFS/FMS. Regards, Bill Bromelain | | Have any of you used Bromelain in conjunction with antibiotics? It is | supposed to potentiate antibiotics as well as having immune | modulating properties......so maybe even if you don't have a clotting | problem it might help? Anyone care to comment? | Anne | | | This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. | | | | Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2001 Report Share Posted January 21, 2001 Anne I think it does that regardless of coagulation status. If I take antibiotic alone, never herx; with bromelain often herx. I hated that stuff for the first few months, but knew it was helping me so kept going. Now it's much better. Cindi >>>Have any of you used Bromelain in conjunction with antibiotics? It is supposed to potentiate antibiotics as well as having immune modulating properties......so maybe even if you don't have a clotting problem it might help? Anyone care to comment? Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2001 Report Share Posted January 22, 2001 Thanks Cindi......what dose are you taking? I am taking 5oomg three times a day for starters. Anne -- In egroups, canderson@a... wrote: > Anne > I think it does that regardless of coagulation status. If I take > antibiotic alone, never herx; with bromelain often herx. I hated that > stuff for the first few months, but knew it was helping me so kept going. > Now it's much better. > Cindi > > >>>Have any of you used Bromelain in conjunction with antibiotics? It is > supposed to potentiate antibiotics as well as having immune > modulating properties......so maybe even if you don't have a clotting > problem it might help? Anyone care to comment? > Anne > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2001 Report Share Posted January 22, 2001 I take 500mg per 100mg of doxycycline. So if I take a doxy in the am, I take one 500mg. When I take 200mg doxy in the pm, I take 1000mg Bromelain. Cindi johnu@... 01/22/01 05:18 AM Please respond to egroups cc: Subject: Re: Bromelain Thanks Cindi......what dose are you taking? I am taking 5oomg three times a day for starters. Anne -- In egroups, canderson@a... wrote: > Anne > I think it does that regardless of coagulation status. If I take > antibiotic alone, never herx; with bromelain often herx. I hated that > stuff for the first few months, but knew it was helping me so kept going. > Now it's much better. > Cindi > > >>>Have any of you used Bromelain in conjunction with antibiotics? It is > supposed to potentiate antibiotics as well as having immune > modulating properties......so maybe even if you don't have a clotting > problem it might help? Anyone care to comment? > Anne > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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