new member with a question

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Are you meaning to imply you are not using

preservative??

--- Green <andreagreen578@...> wrote:

> Hi everyone, I am new to the lotion and soap making.

> I am wanting t

> make goat's milk lotions and soaps and have seen

> powdered goat's milk,

> evaporated goat's milk (in a can, in the grocery

> store) and whole

> goat's milk in the dairy section of the grocery

> store. Can I use the

> whole milk in my bath and body products? Do I have

> to have an

> expiration date since it is a refrigerated product

> after the lotion,

> etc. is made?

>

> thanks for taking the time to read this.

>

> G.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone!

I am a new member and finding the messages posted here very useful, but I am a

bit puzzled when it comes to what is defined as Adrenal insufficiency.

I have recently done a comprehensive adrenal stress profile with Geneva

Diagnostics. It was the salivary test. When I got to the endocrinologist, she

told me that it was a waste of money, as the salivary test is not the best way

of checking cortisol. So she suggested I should do the blood test instead.

I have tried to question her , but she simply said that these tests are

advertised widely and induce people to think they are useful but that it was a

waste of money. My levels were low throughout the day, how can a doctor

completely deny these results, and I assume they are just " allowed " to?

Here are my results

4.6 (12-22)

2.4 (5 - 9)

1.3 (3 - 7)

0.5 (1-3)

DHEA MEAN 1.02 (ref 0.40 - 1.47)

DHEA:CORTISOL RATIO 11.53 (2 - 6)

Also, I am not sure how it works when you get referred to an endocrinologist,

what if you don't agree with their point of view, can you put in writing the

reasons and post them, or this is something you normally do only with the GP?

Can you actually change to another endocrinologist?

I hope I haven't done anything wrong as this is my first post to a group!

thanks

Talita

[Guest guest]

Oh dear, we poor abused patients really do get the occasional

chance to have a good laugh - these endoprats know absolutely NOTHING

about our endocrine system and know nothing about the different methods of

testing. They are taught in medical schools to ONLY test for 's disease

or Cushing's syndrome, they do NOT test for adrenal insufficiency, and many

believe there is no such thing. Many do not even believe there is an

adrenal/thyroid connection - so it is no wonder patients are left so ill. I

would copy the 'About Us' Page from www.gdx.uk.net and take it to her - I would

like to her explain WHY such tests are a waste of money - nail her to the

sticking post. Go to our web site www.tpa-uk.org.uk and click on Hypothyroidism,

and then on the drop down Menu, click on Associated conditions, and then click on

Adrenals. We also have lots of information about adrenals in our FILES section

of this forum.

Your adrenal function tests are too low. Every single one of

them are outside of the very bottom of the reference range. Have you considered

having a private consultation with Dr Peatfield. He is one of the medical advisers

here. He runs private metabolic clinics throughout the UK and he has given

health back to hundreds of women who the NHS failed. His specialty is adrenal/thyroid

connection.

We have a list of 'good' doctors and endocrinologists which I

will send you. You can choose your own GP in the same way that you can choose

your own thyroid specialist, even if they are outside of your area. Not always

easy to get an appointment, but you do NOT have to see the endocrinologist that

your GP sends you to.

Always, before you visit an endocrinologist, look again in our

files section (you can get there from the Menu on the Home Page of this forum.

There is a folder for Patient Information and there is a file that tells you

what you should do before seeing one, and what you should take with you. Read

that, and if further information is required, just shout - and yes, there is

lots you can do if you need to complain about the treatment by any doctor,

including an endocrinologist. You have to learn to be assertive, and you can do

this by learning as much as you can about your thyroid and the associated

conditions. Read, read and then read again Talita - and somebody will always be

here to try to answer your questions.

Luv - Sheila

Hi everyone!

I am a new member and finding the messages posted here very useful, but I am a

bit puzzled when it comes to what is defined as Adrenal insufficiency.

I have recently done a comprehensive adrenal stress profile with Geneva

Diagnostics. It was the salivary test. When I got to the endocrinologist, she

told me that it was a waste of money, as the salivary test is not the best way

of checking cortisol. So she suggested I should do the blood test instead.

I have tried to question her , but she simply said that these tests are

advertised widely and induce people to think they are useful but that it was a

waste of money. My levels were low throughout the day, how can a doctor

completely deny these results, and I assume they are just " allowed "

to?

Here are my results

4.6 (12-22)

2.4 (5 - 9)

1.3 (3 - 7)

0.5 (1-3)

DHEA MEAN 1.02 (ref 0.40 - 1.47)

DHEA:CORTISOL RATIO 11.53 (2 - 6)

Also, I am not sure how it works when you get referred to an endocrinologist,

what if you don't agree with their point of view, can you put in writing the

reasons and post them, or this is something you normally do only with the GP?

Can you actually change to another endocrinologist?

I hope I haven't done anything wrong as this is my first post to a group!

thanks

Talita

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Jane, I will really give it a try and see what the endocrinologist says.

To be honest when she told me " normally, if you had cortisol insufficency ,you

would have lost weight " I was quite.. what can I say, she might be right as I

have actually put on weight, not lost it.

She did mark on the blood test request " 9AM test " , not sure if that makes any

difference to 8AM. I haven't booked the appointment for the blood test as yet,

but just wondering.

Cheers,

Talita

>

> Hi Talita,

>

> I have AI or s as well as hypothyroidism. Saliva tests are being

recognised as being as accurate a test as serum. Perhaps you could show your Dr

some PubMed references like these.

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[Guest guest]

Hi

Talita

Read

the information I sent yesterday. I said why you need your cortisol and DHEA

levels testing at four times during the day. Testing you at 8.00am or 9.00am

does NOT tell a doctor whether you have adrenal insufficiency or not because

your cortisol and DHEA have different levels of secretion and their own

reference range throughout the day.

Your GP is

wrong again, with adrenal insufficiency it can cause weight gain, especially

around your tum, bum and hips. 's disease will cause weight loss - this

is when the adrenals stop functioning. Your GP appears to be confused

between 's and low adrenal reserve. Whilst 's disease is often caused

by auto-immune dysfunction, adrenal insufficiency is largely caused by stress -

either physical or emotional. Adrenal insufficiency is the non-'s form of

adrenal dysfunction. Unfortunately, mainstream medicine only recognizes

's as hypoadrenia, despite the fact that adrenal fatigue is a fully

recognised disease. I have yet to meet a NHS doctor familiar with adrenal

insufficiency and who will treat it.

It seems

your doctor is causing you problems by not knowing the difference between the

two.

Luv - Sheila

Thanks Jane, I will really give it a try and see what the endocrinologist

says.

To be honest when she told me " normally, if you had cortisol insufficiency

,you would have lost weight " I was quite.. what can I say, she might be

right as I have actually put on weight, not lost it.

She did mark on the blood test request " 9AM test " , not sure if that

makes any difference to 8AM. I haven't booked the appointment for the blood

test as yet, but just wondering.

Cheers,

Talita