Re: Value Pharmaceuticals - like old or new Armour?

[Guest guest]

I've used the compounded Armour, and since it came

in the mail I've been using the Erfa. It might be

just my imagination, but I prefer the Erfa. It

just seems to work faster and smoother or

something. It's hard to describe. But I could tell

the difference the first time I took the Erfa.

Took about thirty minutes or so. And I got mine at

the pharmacy you named:)

Bethann

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Abigail Van Buren

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>

>

> Sorry if this has already been discussed - I did a quick search but

> couldn't find the answer...

>

> I've been on 3 grains of Armour for a few years now and that dose was

> suiting me fine. Since the summer I've been doing less well on it

> (basically since they reformulated it).

>

> So I want to switch but I can't find a way of getting ERFA without a

> prescription (my GP has made it very clear he doesn't support me taking

> thyroid supplements as my TSH and FT4 levels are just about within the

> reference range).

>

> So my question is, what's the product from Value Pharmaceuticals like.

> Has anyone who didn't get on with the new Armour formulation tried this

> product and, if so, how does it compare?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi - the product from www.valuepharmaceuticals.com

is actually Erfa 'Thyroid'. It is NOT Armour Thyroid as they advertise. I have written

and asked them to change the name and told them that the new formulae of

Armour Thyroid has put a lot of people off from buying it, and they are going

to other pharmacies that sell anything other than Armour Thyroid, and that many

people will refuse to buy from them because they are giving misleading

information. They never wrote back sadly, nor have they changed it, but believe

me, it IS the Erfa Thyroid.

I get Erfa 'Thyroid' on the NHS. Attached is a copy of the

original letter from the MHRA saying that doctors CAN prescribe Armour Thyroid.

There is also an updated copy of the email the MHRA sent to me saying they

could also prescribe nature Throid and Westhroid, and a copy of another email saying

they could also prescribe the Erfa 'Thyroid'. Please remember that NHS doctors

do not have to prescribe any of these products as they remain unlicensed within

the UK (Erfa ‘Thyroid’ is licensed in Canada), but we know some

doctors are willing to take the responsibility for prescribing these products for

you. Both Idis World Medicines and Pharmarama can source any of these products.

In order to obtain a NHS prescription for Erfa

‘Thyroid’ you must provide the following:

Get a valid UK or US prescription from your doctor, which should

have ‘Thyroid’ or ‘ERFA Thyroid’ written on

it (dosage is the same as Armour Thyroid)

If buying direct from the Erfa pharmacy, ensure that all the

required documents are sent to ERFA Canada Inc. by FAX (+1 514 931 7330) or by

e-mail to Thyroid@...

Place the order

Make the payment

If you have an NHS prescription, your pharmacist can now source

this product from the following wholesalers:

Idis World Medicines, IDIS House, Churchfield Road,

Weybridge KT13 8DB

Tel: 01932 824100 Fax: 01932-824200

Email: enquiries@...

Website: http://www.idis.co.uk - or -

Pharmarama International Ltd., Unit 7 Capital

Business Park, Manor Way, Borehamwood, Hertfordshire WD6 1GW Tel:

020 8238 6770 Fax: 020 8238 6786

Email: enquiries@...

Website: http://www.pharmarama.com

If you usually get Armour Thyroid from your NHS, you must be

aware that if you change to NatureThroid or Westhroid your prescription must

state the ‘grains’ as 65mg and not 60mg. If your Doctor gives you a

prescription for Erfa ‘Thyroid’ s/he must state the grains as

60mgs. If this is not written correctly, your pharmacist will not dispense the

tablets.

You may also find that your doctor will need to write another

short letter which you should take to your pharmacist with the prescription,

stating that the medicine is for hypothyroidism.

You can see the available Internet Pharmacies where you can buy

Armour Thyroid, Nature Throid, Westhroid and Erfa ‘Thyroid’ and

different brands of T3 by going to the FILES section of this Forum web site thyroid treatment

and scroll down the long list until you see the FILE entitled ‘Internet

Pharmacies’

Hope this helps , and hope your doctor changes his mind

about natural thyroid extract, and learns to realise that there is a difference

in thyroid hormone levels between those on synthetic levothyroxine and natural

thyroid extract.

Luv = Sheila

Sorry if this has already been discussed - I

did a quick search but couldn't find the answer...

I've been on 3 grains of Armour for a few years now and that dose was suiting

me fine. Since the summer I've been doing less well on it (basically since they

reformulated it).

So I want to switch but I can't find a way of getting ERFA without a

prescription (my GP has made it very clear he doesn't support me taking thyroid

supplements as my TSH and FT4 levels are just about within the reference

range).

So my question is, what's the product from Value Pharmaceuticals like. Has

anyone who didn't get on with the new Armour formulation tried this product

and, if so, how does it compare?

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[Guest guest]

Hi Bethan - many people believe that the Erfa Thyroid is very similar to the

'old' formulae of Armour Thyroid. Certainly, I feel absolutely fine on it

and would highly recommend it as the first choice of natural thyroid

extract. I have tried Westhroid, but not the Nature Throid.

Luv - Sheila

I've used the compounded Armour, and since it came

in the mail I've been using the Erfa. It might be

just my imagination, but I prefer the Erfa. It

just seems to work faster and smoother or

something. It's hard to describe. But I could tell

the difference the first time I took the Erfa.

Took about thirty minutes or so. And I got mine at

the pharmacy you named:)

[Guest guest]

I have looked at the site but I see they require you to fax a copy of your prescription to them. Is this the case, or if not, how does one overcome this?

If their product is really erfa, then not only are they wrong in calling it Armour Thyroid, they have even put out a statement that it comes from the same place and is the same product.

Lilian

[Guest guest]

Hi Lillian, we ordered irfa from value pharmacy in December it arrived within a

week, price $111 for 500 one grain, just ordered another batch $ 119, cheek. if

you press no prescipion needed you will get your order, no problems. I might add

I saw Dr. S three weeks ago, and he is prescibing it for his patients. and was

surprised I got mine so cheap. he telephoned Springfields pharmacy, where I

used to get my Armour, long before I got it from Forrest while I was there, and

his price was £ 200 for the same Ertha. Dr S says many patiets are on this and

feel no different, I need 5 grains daily so I shall have to see. My hubby is on

one and a half grain daily. I know Armour thyroid is the best, but us poor

soul's have no other option. All the best Love Louise.

>

> I have looked at the site but I see they require you to fax a copy of your

prescription to them. Is this the case, or if not, how does one overcome

this?

>

> If their product is really erfa, then not only are they wrong in calling it

Armour Thyroid, they have even put out a statement that it comes from the same

place and is the same product.

>

> Lilian

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lilian - On Page 3 of the order form where it says

Prescription Number (if applicable), you just write 'not applicable' or leave

it The name 'Armour Thyroid' can be used by anybody because the (forgotten the

name???? - not patent, but something like that DOH!) ran out about ten years

ago. For those of you who have bought the 'Armour Thyroid' from

valuepharmaceuticals, can you let us know what is stamped on the tablet. Does

it have a big 'A' with TC underneath and a line across the other side of the

tablet - or does it have 'TCl with 60 underneath (or whatever amount of mgs. it

is - with nothing on the other side of the tablet?

Luv - Sheila

I have looked at the site but I see they require you to fax a

copy of your prescription to them. Is this the case, or if

not, how does one overcome this?

If their product is really erfa, then not only are they wrong in

calling it Armour Thyroid, they have even put out a statement that it comes

from the same place and is the same product.

Lilian

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[Guest guest]

Hi

Louise, Armour Thyroid WAS the best until Forest changed the formulae earlier

this year, reducing the dextrose and increasing (massively) the cellulose. This

appears to be stopping the active thyroid h hormones from be absorbed into the

cells and many complained of symptoms of hypothyroidism returning so are

changing over to other thyroid extracts. They say that the Erfa Thyroid is

almost the same as the original 'old' Armour Thyroid and definitely is much,

much cheaper.

I

never recommend anybody to get their thyroid extract by a private prescription,

it ALWAYS costs much more, the pharmacy gets their cut and you also have to pay

the price of a private prescription to get it. Nature Throid, Westhroid, Erfa

Thyroid and Armour Thyroid (if you can get it) can all be bought much cheaper

direct from an Internet Pharmacy without a prescription. I cannot understand

why Dr S says that many of his patients are using Erfa and feel no different,

unless he actually means they find it as good as their Armour Thyroid - which I

think he might mean. The majority of those I know who are taking Erfa are

delighted with it.

Luv

- Sheila

From: thyroid treatment

[mailto:thyroid treatment ] On Behalf Of l.coase

Sent: 03 January 2010 14:35

thyroid treatment

Subject: Re: Value Pharmaceuticals - like old

or new Armour?

Hi Lillian, we ordered irfa from value pharmacy

in December it arrived within a week, price $111 for 500 one grain, just

ordered another batch $ 119, cheek. if you press no prescipion needed you will

get your order, no problems. I might add I saw Dr. S three weeks ago, and he is

prescibing it for his patients. and was surprised I got mine so cheap. he

telephoned Springfields pharmacy, where I used to get my Armour, long before I

got it from Forrest while I was there, and his price was £ 200 for the same

Ertha. Dr S says many patiets are on this and feel no different, I need 5

grains daily so I shall have to see. My hubby is on one and a half grain daily.

I know Armour thyroid is the best, but us poor soul's have no other option. All

the best Love Louise.

>

> I have looked at the site but I see they require you to fax a copy of your

prescription to them. Is this the case, or if not, how does one overcome this?

>

> If their product is really erfa, then not only are they wrong in calling

it Armour Thyroid, they have even put out a statement that it comes from the

same place and is the same product.

>

> Lilian

>

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[Guest guest]

For

> those of you who have bought the 'Armour Thyroid' from valuepharmaceuticals,

> can you let us know what is stamped on the tablet. Does it have a big 'A'

> with TC underneath and a line across the other side of the tablet - or does

> it have 'TCl with 60 underneath (or whatever amount of mgs. it is - with

> nothing on the other side of the tablet?

>

>

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

I ones I got were in an Erfa tub, and they say ECl with a 60 under (they are 1

grain tabs), there is no line and there is nothing on the back.

HTH,

Cat.

[Guest guest]

Then those are most definitely the Erfa (Canadian) Thyroid -

those are exactly what I get on my NHS prescription and Erfa Thyroid is written

on the bottle, but I get mine in a brown little bottle because they have to

open a 500 tablet tub. Did you get these from www.valupharmaceuticals Catriona?

Luv - Sheila

From: thyroid treatment

[mailto:thyroid treatment ] On Behalf Of Catriona

Sent: 03 January 2010 15:14

thyroid treatment

Subject: Re: Value Pharmaceuticals - like old

or new Armour?

For

> those of you who have bought the 'Armour Thyroid' from valuepharmaceuticals,

> can you let us know what is stamped on the tablet. Does it have a big 'A'

> with TC underneath and a line across the other side of the tablet - or

does

> it have 'TCl with 60 underneath (or whatever amount of mgs. it is - with

> nothing on the other side of the tablet?

>

>

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

I ones I got were in an Erfa tub, and they say ECl with a 60 under (they are 1

grain tabs), there is no line and there is nothing on the back.

HTH,

Cat.

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[Guest guest]

>

Did you get these from www.valupharmaceuticals Catriona?

>

>

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

Yes. valuepharmaceuticals, and I've just ordered the 125mg (~2 grain) ones

today, so I'm hoping they're erfa too...

Cat.

[Guest guest]

Hi and welcome

I am now on erfa after many happy years on 'old' armour only to be seriously

affected by 'new' armour.

I got mine from valuepharmaceuticals, as shelia has already shared, 3 weeks

later I am sooo much better again.

I did not have a script, just ticked the box and delivery was within 10 days -

so happy days.

I would definitely recommend erfa thyroid, called armour on the

valuepharmaceutical website.(just to confuse those of us who woudlnt touch 'new'

armour with a barge pole)

jennyF

>

> Sorry if this has already been discussed - I did a quick search but couldn't

find the answer...

>

> I've been on 3 grains of Armour for a few years now and that dose was suiting

me fine. Since the summer I've been doing less well on it (basically since they

reformulated it).

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Louise.

Lilian

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sheila. I understand what you say about the patent running out but they have stated that not only is it the same thing but that it is made by the same people. Presumably the same people are Forest.

Lilian

[Guest guest]

Hi

Lilian - it is not valuepharmaceuticals saying that, it is another company that

a link for 'more information about Armour Thyroid', takes you to called

Drug.Co. Valuepharmaceuticals on their Home Page at the top state " Buy Armour

Thyroid online - Chemical Name: thyroid " . The brand name of the Erfa

thyroid extract is called 'Thyroid'. Armour Thyroid is no longer a brand name. Also,

Forest do not manufacture any of their tablets with a dosage of 125mgs (Forest

make 120mgs tablets) - only Erfa Thyroid make 125mgs tablets.

Luv

- Sheila

Thanks Sheila. I understand what you say about

the patent running out but they have stated that not only is it the same thing

but that it is made by the same people. Presumably the

same people are Forest.

Lilian

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