Re: Help please: Genova Diagnostics - Comprehensive Adrenal Stress Profile (Saliva):

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Please somebody help me

>

> Hi

> Can anybody please explain what my results mean from Genova Diagnostics -

Comprehensive Adrenal Stress Profile (Saliva): The only medication I take is 125

mg of Goldshield Levothyroxine for my hypothyroidism and I do not take any

vitamin supplements.

>

> The results:

> Cortisol Level Post awakening: 0.5 Low

> Sample 2 (+4-5 hours) 14.4 High

> Sample 3 (+4-5 hours) 0.7 Low

> Sample 4 (Prior sleep) 2.0 Normal

>

> Total Daily Cortisol 17.6 Low

>

> DHEA Levels

> Sample 2 (am) 1.43 Normal

> Sample 3 (pm) 1.21 Normal

>

> DHEA Mean 1.32 Normal

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> DHEA: Cortisol Ratio 7.50 High

>

> Adrenal Stress Stage

> Adrenal Fatigue - Non adapted response. This generally indicates falling

levels of both cortisol & DHEA from excessive stimulation/secretion over long

periods of time. It can also reflect the effects of exogenous use of DHEA in

adrenal exhaustion states after several months of DHEA supplementation.

> Secretory IgA Result: 217.5 inside green box:

> Normal Range 118-641) - (Optimal Range 130-471)

>

> I appreciate any help as it is rather confusing and if I'm going to approach

my GP I need to know what I'm talking about (for once)!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Can you repost the results showing the reference ranges please, it's a bit hard

to comment without knowing where you are with regard to the ranges, eg, if

you're low are you very low, or just a bit ?

How come you don't take Vitamin C or selenium to help with t4 to t3 conversion?

If you don't convert properly the adrenals have to pick up the pieces and

support you. They do this until they're exhausted and then you feel rough and

have to sort it all out. Is this what has happened?

>

> Hi

> Can anybody please explain what my results mean from Genova Diagnostics -

Comprehensive Adrenal Stress Profile (Saliva): The only medication I take is 125

mg of Goldshield Levothyroxine for my hypothyroidism and I do not take any

vitamin supplements.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi; is this what you need?

Genova Diagnostics - Comprehensive Adrenal Stress Profile (Saliva): The only

medication I take is 125 mg of Goldshield Levothyroxine for my hypothyroidism

and I do not take any vitamin supplements.

The results:

Age Group 14 - 40

Cortisol Level Post awakening: 0.5 Low - Sample 1 (12 - 22)

Sample 2 (+4-5 hours) 14.4 High - Sample 2 (5.0 - 9.0)

Sample 3 (+4-5 hours) 0.7 Low - Sample 3 (3.0 – 7.0)

Sample 4 (Prior sleep) 2.0 Normal - Sample 4 (1.0 – 3.0)

Total Daily Cortisol 17.6 Low

DHEA Levels

Sample 2 (am) 1.43 Normal

Sample 3 (pm) 1.21 Normal

DHEA Mean 1.32 Normal - Normal Range (0.40 – 1.47)

DHEA: Cortisol Ratio 7.50 High - Normal Range (2.0 – 6.0)

Secretory IgA Result:217.5 inside green box:

Normal Range 118-641) - (Optimal Range 130-471)

Adrenal Stress StageAdrenal Fatigue - Non adapted response. This generally

indicates falling levels of both cortisol & DHEA from excessive

stimulation/secretion over long periods of time. It can also reflect the effects

of exogenous use of DHEA in adrenal exhaustion states after several months of

DHEA supplementation.

Thank you for your help.

>

> We can't help you properly until you have posted the reference range for

> each of the separate tests done.

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Just noticed you wanted my thyroid test results,

Last thyroid test results:

The test stated `ABNORMAL' followed by, `Thyroxine replacement therapy appears

to be satisfactory'; this seems a bit odd to me!

Serum TSH Level: Lo 0.32 mu/L Range (0.35–3.50 U)Status EG SR ST1

Serum free T4 level: Hi 23.1 pmo1/L Range (7.8 17.0 U) Status EG NK ST2

From the full blood count the following are abnormal:

Haemoglobin (Range 11.5 – 16.5) Sample results 10.9

Haematocrit (Range 0.370 – 0.470) Sample results 0.320

Red Cell Count (Range 3.80 – 5.80) Sample results 3.42

Blood pressure 120/60 pulse 62

Once again thank you.

> Hi; is this what you need?

>

Genova Diagnostics - Comprehensive Adrenal Stress Profile (Saliva): The only

medication I take is 125 mg of Goldshield Levothyroxine for my hypothyroidism

and I do not take any vitamin supplements.

The results:

Age Group 14 - 40

Cortisol Level Post awakening: 0.5 Low - Sample 1 (12 - 22)

Sample 2 (+4-5 hours) 14.4 High - Sample 2 (5.0 - 9.0)

Sample 3 (+4-5 hours) 0.7 Low - Sample 3 (3.0 – 7.0)

Sample 4 (Prior sleep) 2.0 Normal - Sample 4 (1.0 – 3.0)

Total Daily Cortisol 17.6 Low

DHEA Levels

Sample 2 (am) 1.43 Normal

Sample 3 (pm) 1.21 Normal

DHEA Mean 1.32 Normal - Normal Range (0.40 – 1.47)

> DHEA: Cortisol Ratio 7.50 High - Normal Range (2.0 – 6.0)

[Guest guest]

Hi angmc,

With results this low, I'd be straight off to my docs. Show him the results and

even if he doesn't believe in them tell him you'd be happier if he tested you

for addisons disease with a short synathcen test. You need to do this before

you take any supplements in the form of Nutri Adrenal Extra, (tastes terrible

and makes your wee bright yellow) or Hydrocortisone ( a steroid, not to be

messed with lightly but some of us need it).

You should be making cortisol when you sleep hence it being high in the

mornings. (or not, as in your case) To do this you need a good period of sleep

in a DARK room. You're all over the place and definately need some support.

The reasons your adrenals have been working overtime and are now tired may be

that depite high levels of T4 you may be short of T3 through none conversion...

without a test it's hard to tell, but common.

The red cell blood count is down, anemia? How are your iron levels and your

ferritin (stored iron) levels? You need them checking.

How do you actually feel? Are you ok or are you tired and weary? I suspect

there must be something not right or you wouldn't have got the tests done.

so,. test for addisons, test for iron, (ferritin and folates), some support for

the adrenals NAX, maybe cortisone, lots of vitamin C, some selenium and good

quality sleep for a start.

x

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> Cortisol Level Post awakening: 0.5 Low - Sample 1 (12 - 22)

> Sample 2 (+4-5 hours) 14.4 High - Sample 2 (5.0 - 9.0)

> Sample 3 (+4-5 hours) 0.7 Low - Sample 3 (3.0 – 7.0)

> Sample 4 (Prior sleep) 2.0 Normal - Sample 4 (1.0 – 3.0)

>

> Total Daily Cortisol 17.6 Low

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi and thanks everybody for your help, you don't know how good it is to at last

have some help as I was beginning to think I was going crazy. The test is

actually my 22 year old daughters test or should I say my 22 year old Zombies

test!

My daughter was born with severe congenital hypothyroidism with all the signs

showing at birth but not one Dr acted on her symptoms despite two of them

thinking her symptoms were congenital hypothyroidism. If ever there was a case

to prove that relying solely on a blood is downright stupid my daughter is that

case. When my daughter was 5 days old they did the Guthrie Test, as was there

when they did it but the test got lost and never turned up at the lab. She was

three months old before she started on thyroxine but it was too late as the

brain damage had been done while they were telling me I was an over anxious

Mother. I knew something was wrong with her I just didn't know what so I was

never away from the Drs then a new health visitor spotted her and said get her

straight to the hospital where they did blood tests & these confirmed she had

congenital hypothyroidism. I now have her medical records and an enquiry was

opened by the Professor she was under for her hypothyroidism and the medical

notes contain two letters from two Drs stating, `in hindsight she was born with

all the symptoms of congenital hypothyroidism'1 Of course they didn't do

anything as they relied solely on the blood test but the blood test went missing

and of course they hadn't built that into their little equation of we are the

great Gods of the NHS we know best and we rely solely on a blood test and not

the symptoms; we will never ever do a check to see if the test is lost as that

can never happen! Sorry for the sarcasm.

However it is now that most concerns me. One year ago my daughter had a minor

operation to straighten her big toe, she was discharged from hospital after an

overnight stay with the foot dressed, and she was given crutches and told not to

weight bear for six weeks. She was given an outpatients appointment for six

weeks time and a load of pain killers. Two weeks later she said her foot felt

funny, she was having hot & cold sweats and she started to vomit. I took her

back to the hospital but they refused to remove the dressing and look at the

wound stating that what she felt was normal. Four days later we called 999 when

huge amounts of black and yellow jelly oozed from the dressing After six hours

waiting in A & E a nurse and a junior Dr removed the dressing. The foot looked

like a medical picture from the middle ages; the Junior Drs description not mine

but we all agreed with him. At first they were talking of amputation but

thankfully that was not the outcome. She had osteomyelitis (severe bone

infection) and she was in hospital almost constantly for four months on

extremely strong doses of intravenous antibiotics as the infection kept

recurring.

Since then we have almost been at the GPs on a weekly basis with all sorts of

problems, three months ago we changed GPs but the new GP is no better. Despite

her having numerous symptoms their silly little faces only light up when you get

to the depression bit and before you know it you're out of the office with a

prescription for Prozac.

Her thyroxine levels always come back as normal and I've been pleading with them

stating she is not OK but they say start on the Prozac and see how you go. In

December 2009 she saw an Endo who said she was low in Ferritin and B12 so she

had a six week course of iron tablets and one B12 injection.

When I've looked back at her medical notes she was low in bicarbonate, anaemic

and low in Vitamin B12 as far back as 2007 but nothing was done about it so she

was never going to be able to fight the osteomyelitis when it happened. What is

the point of having a blood test if the abnormal results are not acted on?

When she went in for the original operation 12 months ago she weighed just under

8 stone; she now weighs 6 stone 2 lbs; her symptoms are severe pain behind the

breast bone, severe leg and feet cramps, constipation followed by diarrhoea,

vitilligo, low blood pressure & pulse, low basal temperature, cannot eat until

the afternoon due to feeling sick, always cold, constantly tired but wakes

during the night, nightmares, tons of salt on food, always thirsty for sweet

fizzy drinks, she has about 20 veruccas on her feet caught from the hospital

shower due to her being unable to fight the infection and just lately she has

started to use her Grandfather's walking stick as her legs feel so week and

shakey.

Two weeks ago after lunch she collapsed and was screaming in agony; this episode

lasted twenty minutes before the paid subsided, she said the pain started in her

lower abdomen then down her legs then it all over. We called the GP who came

straight out; he examined her and said her whole body was is severe stress and

anxiety. He prescribed diazepam and said he would see her again in three days

time. She slept most of the day after taking the diazepam. Two days later after

our evening meal she collapsed again screaming in agony and after 40 minutes we

called 999. They sent a paramedic who couldn't do anything for the pain so she

called for an ambulance. I went in the ambulance with her and the paramedic

asked me if she was anorexic! At least he noticed something wasn't right. In the

hospital they gave her morphine and this knocked her out for several hours. They

take her blood pressure and it is so low they had to monitor it every 15

minutes. They admit her, transfer her to a ward and do blood tests including the

thyroid; I'm certain they will find out what the problem is. It is now 1 am so

her Father and I leave her in the `capable' (ha-ha) hands of the hospital! She

calls me the following morning to say she has been discharged so we go to the

hospital. I ask her what the Dr had said, apparently it was constipation! I ask

to see the Dr who also happened to be the Endocrinologist we'd seen in November,

December and May and he confirms that it was constipation. I ask if he remembers

my daughter as we've seen him three times previously and the symptoms we

referred to then are now much worse and must have something to do with the

osteomyelitis and the huge doses of antibiotics effecting her thyroid medication

as all these symptoms are hypothyroid symptoms. He stood there at the bed side

and said he'd just checked her thyroid and the blood test was normal, I say but

she is not normal, I ask him if he ever listens to a patient and the symptoms

and he actually said to us, `no I rely solely on the blood test, just like 99.9%

of other Endocrinologists'. I then ask him if is is happy for my daughter has to

continue in her current state, collapsing in agony with no quality of life

whatsoever and he tells me that this is not the time or place to discuss it. I

am by now screaming at him saying it's a bloody hospital for god's sake where

else shall we discuss it; maybe you would like to meet me in the pub over the

road later to discuss it there blah blah! He walks away from us and I'm in

tears.

That is why I had the adrenal stress test done as I'm at the end of my tether as

they say & if something is not done soon to help my daughter I think I will end

up in an early grave alongside my daughter as it is really starting to get to me

despite being the strong one in the family! I am extremely grateful for your

thoughts; in reality I already knew the test results were not good but I needed

confirmation.

> >

> > Hi

> > Can anybody please explain what my results mean from Genova Diagnostics -

Comprehensive Adrenal Stress Profile (Saliva): The only medication I take is 125

mg of Goldshield Levothyroxine for my hypothyroidism and I do not take any

vitamin supplements.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Since then we have almost been at the GPs on a weekly basis with all sorts of problems, three months ago we changed GPs but the new GP is no better. Despite her having numerous symptoms their silly little faces only light up when you get to the depression bit and before you know it you're out of the office with a prescription for Prozac. Which doesn't work when what is needed is T3.> Her thyroxine levels always come back as normal and I've been pleading with them stating she is not OK but they say start on the Prozac and see how you go. In December 2009 she saw an Endo who said she was low in Ferritin and B12 so she had a six week course of iron tablets and one B12 injection. If she has low ferritin (stored iron) and B12 she may not be able to use the T3 if she is managing to convert the t4 into t3 in the first place. Normal is an opinion, test results have numbers in them.> > When I've looked back at her medical notes she was low in bicarbonate, (I don't know this one) anaemic and low in Vitamin B12 as far back as 2007 but nothing was done about it so she was never going to be able to fight the osteomyelitis when it happened. What is the point of having a blood test if the abnormal results are not acted on? (No point at all)> When she went in for the original operation 12 months ago she weighed just under 8 stone; she now weighs 6 stone 2 lbs; her symptoms are severe pain behind the breast bone, severe leg and feet cramps, constipation followed by diarrhoea, vitilligo, low blood pressure & pulse, low basal temperature, cannot eat until the afternoon due to feeling sick, always cold, constantly tired but wakes during the night, nightmares, tons of salt on food, always thirsty for sweet fizzy drinks, she has about 20 veruccas on her feet caught from the hospital shower due to her being unable to fight the infection and just lately she has started to use her Grandfather's walking stick as her legs feel so week and shakey. These are all signs and symptoms of adrenals and thyroid problems. Have you considered taking her temp 3 times a day, averaging it and charting it? If it's low but stable it's thyroid, up and down all over the place adrenal. Though I think it's both. Details at http://www.drrind.com .> . They admit her, transfer her to a ward and do blood tests including the thyroid; I'm certain they will find out what the problem is. It is now 1 am so her Father and I leave her in the `capable' (ha-ha) hands of the hospital! She calls me the following morning to say she has been discharged so we go to the hospital. I ask her what the Dr had said, apparently it was constipation! I ask to see the Dr who also happened to be the Endocrinologist we'd seen in November, December and May and he confirms that it was constipation. Tess on this forum has had/ has, terrible problems with bowells, pain, abcesses and diverticulosis. It apparantly is now being linked to the thyroid problems which she has had. Have a look at some of her posts.I ask if he remembers my daughter as we've seen him three times previously and the symptoms we referred to then are now much worse and must have something to do with the osteomyelitis and the huge doses of antibiotics effecting her thyroid medication as all these symptoms are hypothyroid symptoms. He stood there at the bed side and said he'd just checked her thyroid and the blood test was normal, I say but she is not normal, I ask him if he ever listens to a patient and the symptoms and he actually said to us, `no I rely solely on the blood test, just like 99.9% of other Endocrinologists'. You need to find the endo which is one of the 0.1% and sack this endoprat.> > That is why I had the adrenal stress test done as I'm at the end of my tether as they say & if something is not done soon to help my daughter I think I will end up in an early grave alongside my daughter as it is really starting to get to me despite being the strong one in the family! I am extremely grateful for your thoughts; in reality I already knew the test results were not good but I needed confirmation. I think you need to sort out the adrenals, they're overlooked and made light of, but treating my own adrenals which were no where as bad as your daughters has made a massive difference.

I've just run out of HC tablets (I have 2 lots on order) and am shocked at how bad I feel. I'm back to being a walking zombie, I've no energy, have to sleep mid afternoon, almost daren't drive , I've got chronic diorrhea and aches and pains everywhere... I was like this before I started the HC but had forgotten how bad it was. And I've aged about 5 years in my face. When my next lot arrive, I swear I will never run out again! The salt craving is an adrenal thing, relating to low adosterone which helps you to retain salt. Absolutely no good dosing up on ordinary salt though, you need pink himalayan salt which hasn't been bleached, (ebay) or celtic salt, not bleached salt with no minerals in. Many people on this forum make a very concentrated solution. called sole, which they have a drink of every day.There's a lot to go at, I suggest you read up as much as possible in the files, challenge the docs if you have the energy, but there is a lot you can do for your daughter and a wealth of information and experience on here. x>

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Hi

Sorry to hear you are so poorly and I hope you get your medication soon. Are you

not getting your medication from the NHS? How did you get the NHS to check your

adrenals or do have one of the 0.01% of the good Endo's?

I have been lurking about on this site for some time and it is an excellent

site, I have the thyroid pack from Sheila, I've read Dr Peatman & Broda

books so I sort of know what I need to do but things have a way of not going my

way once I'm in front of the so called professionals. I really needed

confirmation of the Genova test so I'll start at the GPs on Tuesday with the

test results and the Genova's Quality Assurance letter then ask for the tests or

demand them if I have to.

Are these the only tests to ask for?

Short synacthen test

Thyroid blood test to include TSH, T4, Free T3,

Full blood count

I have been doing the temperature 3 times a day and it is always low and all

over the place, I've shown the GP the results but he looks at me as if I'm

stupid. I also tested her for Candida Albicans with the salvia test and the

results were Candida Albicans positive which isn't surprising after all the

antibiotics so I sorted this myself as the GP laughed at me when I mentioned the

spit test and Candida Albicans.

I have no intention of ever seeing that Endoprat ever again but finding the

0.01% good Endo is going to be difficult. However we'll see what the tests

reveal first.

Low Bicarbonate from labtestssonline: Some of the causes of a low bicarbonate

level include: 's disease, Chronic diarrhea, Diabetic ketoacidosis,

Metabolic acidosis, Kidney disease, Ethylene glycol or methanol poisoning and

Salicylate (aspirin) overdose.

Thank you so much for your help.

>

> The salt craving is an adrenal thing, relating to low adosterone which

> helps you to retain salt. Absolutely no good dosing up on ordinary

> salt though, you need pink himalayan salt which hasn't been bleached,

> (ebay) or celtic salt, not bleached salt with no minerals in. Many

> people on this forum make a very concentrated solution. called sole,

> which they have a drink of every day.

>

> There's a lot to go at, I suggest you read up as much as possible in

> the files, challenge the docs if you have the energy, but there is a lot

> you can do for your daughter and a wealth of information and experience

> on here.

>

> x

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi A,.

Afraid my endo is one of the 99% although he did concede to T3 after I argued my

case.

My Genova adrenal test showed good levels early in the morning, which dropped to

a flat line by 11 am. So a short synathcen test wouldn't show any problem as

it measures the cortisol first thing in the morning when it should be at it's

highest. This is why I think it would be good for your daughter as she is low

first thing in the morning.

The NHS don't recognise adrenal fatigue, only failure, so I self treat and I

import my own HC.

I think the doc was pretty terrible for not recognising the problems caused by

systemic candida, Insist on it being properly tested by him and I'd write a

letter requesting the other tests too and your reasons for these. Ask that

the letter be placed in your file by the head of practice so that if the doc

throws it away or ignores it you have your request on record.

Whilst you're asking for tests, why not ask for ferritin, d3, copper, zinc and

B12 too. As I'm sure you've heared a million times on here, if they are low

then all the thyroid meds in the worls will NOT work.

Good luck!

.

> Hi

> Are these the only tests to ask for?

> Short synacthen test

> Thyroid blood test to include TSH, T4, Free T3,

> Full blood count

>

> I have been doing the temperature 3 times a day and it is always low and all

over the place, I've shown the GP the results but he looks at me as if I'm

stupid. I also tested her for Candida Albicans with the salvia test and the

results were Candida Albicans positive which isn't surprising after all the

antibiotics so I sorted this myself as the GP laughed at me when I mentioned the

spit test and Candida Albicans.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

Thank you for such a a comprehensive reply; can you not come with me on Tuesday

when I visit the GP? Kidding of course. I'm currently printing your response and

will do as you say and I will also give it to the GP.

We are currently with our 2nd GP; changed about 8 or 9 weeks ago but no further

forward than the previous GP. However on Monday the GP did say that I would be

better finding an Endo who would see us privately and it would be best if he is

out of the county as they mix in the same circles. He has written a letter for

me and is just waiting for the private Endo's details. However I hadn't

mentioned the Genova test to him but now I have the results I feel I have some

real amunition.

I will read your response fully and print out all the documents you refer to, I

will get back if there is anything I'm not sure of.

I cannot thank you and everybody enough as I was so stressed with it all and was

starting to think I was going mad, I was crying the other day when we returned

from the GPs with yet another Prozac prescription and my daughter saw me crying,

she went upstairs and when I followed her and she said to me it would be better

if she was dead as her Dad and me could get on with our lives without her

ruining everything, god it breaks my heart when she gets so depressed. She's 22

years old and I think what I was up to at that age and I look at her always in

the house with no life.

Kind regards

>

> Dear

>

> You don't have to continue like this. I think after everything you have both

> gone through, you need to change your doctor and definitely change from the

> idiot endoprat you have seen to one who know what he is doing, and one who

> actually CARES about his patients.

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Hi A

It is bloody awful that you have to self diagnose; I was starting to think I may

have to do the same for my daughter but I would be terrified to do it in case I

did anything wrong.

Sheila has also responded to my pleas so I'm going to get everything together

and will post before before Tuesday just to check I'm asking for everything and

I haven't missed anything. The Hubby is going to come to the GPs with us so

hopefully the three of us will be able to get the tests we want and get them to

act at last.

Thank you once again and will speak soon.

>

> Hi A,.

>

> Afraid my endo is one of the 99% although he did concede to T3 after I argued

my case.

>

> My Genova adrenal test showed good levels early in the morning, which dropped

to a flat line by 11 am.

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Hi

I'm getting everything together now including two letters; one to the Endoprat

asking why he thinks my daughter is in good health and a letter to the Head of

Practice at GPs and I will insist they are filed with daughters medical records.

I will post the info before going to GPs on Tuesday; I guess from past

experience today and tomorrow are now taken care of sorting all the info and

writing letters etc! Using the words from that guy at BP; I just want my life

back! However that won't happen until my daughter is fit and well so the fight

goes on.

(I am an accountant so always keep copies of letters, documents etc. due to the

Inland Revenue's habit of losing everything)!

Speak soon

>

> Dear - PLEASE do a copy of your letter to the Head of Practice of the

> surgery so s/he is fully aware of what is going on. You would be surprised

> at how many doctors destroy letters and then tell you they cannot find them

> and they must have got lost in the system. You need to keep a copy of what

> you have written yourself and make sure somebody else has a copy too, and

> that is the Head of Practice. You should also ensure the letter is placed

> into your daughters medical notes. This is very important. Also, keep copies

> of everything that is written to you also.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

>

>

> It is bloody awful that you have to self diagnose; I was starting to think I

> may have to do the same for my daughter but I would be terrified to do it in

> case I did anything wrong.

>

> Sheila has also responded to my pleas so I'm going to get everything

> together and will post before before Tuesday just to check I'm asking for

> everything and I haven't missed anything. The Hubby is going to come to the

> GPs with us so hopefully the three of us will be able to get the tests we

> want and get them to act at last.

>

[Guest guest]

Will keep you updated.

Ha-ha yes I'm cherrybaby on the TUK forum; not sure if you have this link below

that I've just got from the TUK forum regarding the Adrenal Stress Profile. It's

good as it shows the different stages with charts and a description. My daughter

is the last stage (stage 7) and it has frightened me somewhat!

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html

>

> Good luck and I hope all the information we have given you will help

> both your daughter and you tremendously. Please keep us up to date on what

> is happening at every stage of the game and I hope from now on, life will be

> much easier for you both and that at last, you can see light at the end of

> the tunnel.

[Guest guest]

Hi

- please end my confusion. Are the following cortisol results for you or

for your daughter. If these are for yourself, can you remind me what they were

for your daughter.

Age

Group 14 - 40

Cortisol Level Post awakening: 0.5 Low - Sample 1 (12 - 22)

Sample 2 (+4-5 hours) 14.4

High - Sample 2 (5.0 - 9.0)

Sample 3 (+4-5 hours) 0.7

Low - Sample 3 (3.0 – 7.0)

Sample 4 (Prior sleep) 2.0

Normal - Sample 4 (1.0 – 3.0)

Stage

7 shows all four samples are right at the bottom of the reference range, and

sample 2 is high with sample 4 is within the normal rangel.

Have

a look at the attached that Dr Nigel Abraham from Genova Diagnostics sent to me

some time ago. This helps members understand the workings of the adrenals and

the thyroid and shows how they are associated. You can increase the size of the

diagrams from the tool bar, to enable you to read most of the information. This

was a Poster Presentation given in Stockholm by Dr Abrahams in Stockholm.

Luv - Sheila

Will keep you updated.

It's good as it shows the different stages with charts and a description. My

daughter is the last stage (stage 7) and it has frightened me somewhat!

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html

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Hi Sheila

Sorry for the confusion.

The test is my 22 year old daughters who was born with Congenital

Hypothyroidism, then one year ago she had Staphylococcus aureus osteomyelitis in

the bones of her right foot resulting in 4 months of hospitalisation for

debridement (deep wound cleaning) including four months of intravenous

antibiotics (three kinds of antibiotics all at the same time Flucloxacillin,

Augmentin & I can't remember the name of the third antibiotic). She had lots of

side effects from the antibiotics vaginal thrush, oral thrush, sore throats,

diarrhea, weight loss, veruccas to name a few. She has never been the same since

the foot thing and one year on she now weighs 6 stone compared to over 8 stone

one year ago. Hence the private adrenal test.

I am fit and well apart from wearing a wig due to alopecia areata for the last

28 years and yes reading all this stuff about my daughter has made me realise it

could well be thyroid related and before you ask I have never been offered a

thyroid test! However my daughter is my concern at the moment but I will most

certainly be sorting a test for myself when this is all over! Also and sadly I

no longer fit into the 14-40 age group.

>

> Hi - please end my confusion. Are the following cortisol results for

> you or for your daughter. If these are for yourself, can you remind me what

> they were for your daughter.

>

> Age Group 14 - 40

> Cortisol Level Post awakening: 0.5 Low - Sample 1 (12 - 22)

> Sample 2 (+4-5 hours) 14.4 High - Sample 2 (5.0 - 9.0)

> Sample 3 (+4-5 hours) 0.7 Low - Sample 3 (3.0 - 7.0)

> Sample 4 (Prior sleep) 2.0 Normal - Sample 4 (1.0 - 3.0)

>

> Stage 7 shows all four samples are right at the bottom of the reference

> range, and sample 2 is high with sample 4 is within the normal rangel.

>

> Have a look at the attached that Dr Nigel Abraham from Genova Diagnostics

> sent to me some time ago. This helps members understand the workings of the

> adrenals and the thyroid and shows how they are associated. You can increase

> the size of the diagrams from the tool bar, to enable you to read most of

> the information. This was a Poster Presentation given in Stockholm by Dr

> Abrahams in Stockholm.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

>

>

>

> Will keep you updated.

> It's good as it shows the different stages with charts and a description. My

> daughter is the last stage (stage 7) and it has frightened me somewhat!

> http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html

>

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Hi

These are the tests I'm asking for at the GP's. Is there anymore I need to add?

Tests required (please ensure I receive a copy of all results).

Priority: Short Synathcen test for 's due to the Genova test results and

daughters symptoms. Cortisol should be highest in the morning after sleep and

the results clearly show it is at its lowest.

Test for Systemic Candida

Cholesterol

Blood Sugar

Thyroid: Free T3, Free T4 & TSH

Please test the following due to abnormal results in the last 12 months.

Haemoglobin Low 9.4 (Normal 11.5 – 16.5)

White Blood Count High 13.5 (Normal 4.0 – 11.0)

Platelet Count High 408 (Normal 150 – 400)

Heamatocit Low 0.272 (Normal 0.370 – 0.470)

Red Cell Count Low 3.11 (Normal 3.80 – 5.80)

Mean Cell Hb Conc Low 31.4 (Normal 32.0 – 35.0)

RDW High 15.0 (Normal 11.0 – 14.0)

Neutrophils High 9.3 (Normal 2.0 – 7.5)

Monocytes High 0.9 (Normal 0.2 – 0.8)

Fibrinogen High 7.2 (Normal 1.8 – 4.5)

Bicarbonate Low 18 (Normal 22 – 29)

Urea High 8.2 (Normal 2.5 – 6.4)

CRP High 62 (Normal <5)

ESR High 68 (Normal 3 – 15)

Thanks for the help. Speak soon.

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From: thyroid treatment

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thyroid treatment

Subject: Re: Help please: Genova Diagnostics -

Comprehensive Adrenal Stress Profile (Saliva):

Hi

These are the tests I'm asking for at the GP's. Is there anymore I need to add?

Tests required (please ensure I receive a copy of all results =

Priority: Short Synathcen test for 's due to the Genova Diagnostics test

results and daughters symptoms. Cortisol should be highest in the morning after

sleep and the results clearly show it is at its lowest.

Please see attached Genova Quality Assurance

in case you are not familiar with Genova.

Test for Systemic Candida

Cholesterol

Blood Sugar

Thyroid: Free T3, Free T4 & TSH

Please test the following due to abnormal results in the last 12 months.

Haemoglobin Low 9.4 (Normal 11.5 –

16.5)

White Blood Count High 13.5 (Normal 4.0

– 11.0)

Platelet Count High 408 (Normal 150 – 400)

Heamatocit Low 0.272 (Normal 0.370

– 0.470)

Red Cell Count Low 3.11 (Normal 3.80

– 5.80)

Mean Cell Hb Conc Low 31.4 (Normal 32.0

– 35.0)

RDW High 15.0 (Normal 11.0 – 14.0)

Neutrophils High 9.3 (Normal 2.0 –

7.5)

Monocytes High 0.9 (Normal 0.2 –

0.8)

Fibrinogen High 7.2 (Normal 1.8 –

4.5)

Bicarbonate Low 18 (Normal 22 – 29)

Urea High 8.2 (Normal 2.5 – 6.4)

CRP High 62 (Normal <5)

ESR High 68 (Normal 3 – 15)

Would you also please do the following blood tests.

Ferritin, Vitamin

B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper, zinc

Thanks for the help. Speak soon.

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