Re: What happens to Iodine

[Guest guest]

Hi , There was a very interesting article on all this that I'm sure was under the 'thyroidmanager' website- but now the site looks different and I can't find it- back to my old habit of printing out and saving everything interesting!! This explained that when deiodination took place the iodine was recycled with T4 becoming T3+1 T which then became 1T+1T to become 2T and then 2T becoming T4 and recycling endlessly in a complex manner before final excretion. thyroid treatment From: sheila@...Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 19:03:53 +0100Subject: What happens to Iodine

I am posting this message from to the forum because it is a

very interesting question.

Dear Sheila,

Do you ever wonder what happens to all that iodine? When T4 becomes T3 or

rT3, an iodine atom is removed. When those become any of the T2 metabolites,

an iodine atom is removed. When those become any of the T1 metabolites,

an iodine atom is removed. So what of all that iodine? What is

iodine in the urine mean?

It seems that the waste issue is overlooked. The emphasis is always on

the availability of thyroid related hormones and never on their usage.

While the lack of availability indicates poor usage, being available does not

mean that they are being used. So why not test for usage? That is

where the rubber meets the road.....

If there is no voltage on the light bulb, it is not shining. But if there

is voltage on the light bulb, it may not be shining if it is burned out.

So the voltage test is not fool proof. However, if there is current

flowing, the bulb is shining....

Your electric power meter measures both voltage and current because you are

charged based on usage of power, not on the availability of voltage.

Have a great day,

[Guest guest]

For those of us on the Iodine protocol we supplement with gobs of iodine

everyday. We have learned that iodine is absorbed by the breasts first and will

take all it needs there. It will then go to the organs which next need it. Once

in the bloodsteam, it will run through your thyroid gland every 17 minutes and

the thyroid will grab what it needs.

But, the most important fact here is that nowadays, most people have trouble

absorbing iodine into the bloodstream because of the build-up of BROMIDE in the

cells. They removed iodine from our bread 45 years ago and replaced it with

BROMIDE. Bromide is a halide which is very bad for the system, just like

chlorine and floride. Bromide prevents iodine from entering the system. This is

why we do the salt loading protocol along with the iodine supplementing. The

unrefined sea salt attaches to the bromide and carries it out through the urine.

Salt loading is important on a daily basis to help keep the bromide at bay.

Otherwise, if the iodine cannot be absorbed, it will leave through the urine

stream.

This is our bible when it comes to iodine information:

http://www.amazon.com/Iodine-need-cant-live-without/dp/B001URN3UG/ref=sr_1_1?s=b\

ooks & ie=UTF8 & qid=1284302120 & sr=1-1

Hope this helps a bit.

JOT

[Guest guest]

It pays to be careful when reading on the internet to know whether things apply

to the US, the UK or what other countries. In the UK Bromide was banned as an

additive to bread in 1990.

Miriam

> But, the most important fact here is that nowadays, most people have trouble

absorbing iodine into the bloodstream because of the build-up of BROMIDE in the

cells. They removed iodine from our bread 45 years ago and replaced it with

BROMIDE.

[Guest guest]

Yes, Au and Nz just recently removed bromide from bread and put iodine back

in....but bromide is not just in bread, it is in everything. And most people are

so full of bromide they have trouble absorbing iodine. Iodine deficiency is in

epidemic proportions throughout the world, and it is not being recognised by

most medical providers. It is also the reason we have so much cancer now. The

iodine in bread was still in minute proportions but it did help considerably.

The bromide set us in a downward spiral which is still very destructive.

If people haven't done anything to remove the bromide, it's still there.

JOT

> It pays to be careful when reading on the internet to know whether things

apply to the US, the UK or what other countries. In the UK Bromide was banned

as an additive to bread in 1990.

>

> Miriam

>

>

> > But, the most important fact here is that nowadays, most people have trouble

absorbing iodine into the bloodstream because of the build-up of BROMIDE in the

cells. They removed iodine from our bread 45 years ago and replaced it with

BROMIDE.

>

[Guest guest]

There are many factors involved in cancer and iodine is only one of them. It

doesn't do the iodine cause any good to make such sweeping claims.

Miriam

Iodine deficiency is in epidemic proportions throughout the world, and it is not

being recognised by most medical providers. It is also the reason we have so

much cancer now.

>

> JOT

[Guest guest]

There are many factors involved in cancer and iodine is only one of them. It

doesn't do the iodine cause any good to make such sweeping claims.

Miriam

Iodine deficiency is in epidemic proportions throughout the world, and it is not

being recognised by most medical providers. It is also the reason we have so

much cancer now.

>

> JOT

[Guest guest]

Dr Peatfield

mentions iodine preventing cancer in the attached speech he gave at our last

TPA Meeting in Yorkshire.

Luv - Sheila

Yes, Au and Nz just recently removed bromide

from bread and put iodine back in....but bromide is not just in bread, it is in

everything. And most people are so full of bromide they have trouble absorbing

iodine. Iodine deficiency is in epidemic proportions throughout the world, and

it is not being recognised by most medical providers. It is also the reason we

have so much cancer now. The iodine in bread was still in minute proportions

but it did help considerably. The bromide set us in a downward spiral which is

still very destructive.

If people haven't done anything to remove the bromide, it's still there.

JOT

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Dr Peatfield's speech.doc

[Guest guest]

Dr Peatfield

mentions iodine preventing cancer in the attached speech he gave at our last

TPA Meeting in Yorkshire.

Luv - Sheila

Yes, Au and Nz just recently removed bromide

from bread and put iodine back in....but bromide is not just in bread, it is in

everything. And most people are so full of bromide they have trouble absorbing

iodine. Iodine deficiency is in epidemic proportions throughout the world, and

it is not being recognised by most medical providers. It is also the reason we

have so much cancer now. The iodine in bread was still in minute proportions

but it did help considerably. The bromide set us in a downward spiral which is

still very destructive.

If people haven't done anything to remove the bromide, it's still there.

JOT

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Dr Peatfield's speech.doc

[Guest guest]

…but, a lack of iodine is one cause of cancer Miriam, so

this is not a sweeping statement.

Luv - Sheila

There are many factors involved in cancer and

iodine is only one of them. It doesn't do the iodine cause any good to make

such sweeping claims.

Miriam

:

Iodine deficiency is in epidemic proportions throughout the world, and it is

not being recognised by most medical providers. It is also the reason we have

so much cancer now.

>

> JOT

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[Guest guest]

…but, a lack of iodine is one cause of cancer Miriam, so

this is not a sweeping statement.

Luv - Sheila

There are many factors involved in cancer and

iodine is only one of them. It doesn't do the iodine cause any good to make

such sweeping claims.

Miriam

:

Iodine deficiency is in epidemic proportions throughout the world, and it is

not being recognised by most medical providers. It is also the reason we have

so much cancer now.

>

> JOT

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[Guest guest]

The original message said " the " cause of cancer, not " a " cause of cancer. There

is a difference.

Miriam

>

> .but, a lack of iodine is one cause of cancer Miriam, so this is not a

> sweeping statement.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

> There are many factors involved in cancer and iodine is only one of them. It

> doesn't do the iodine cause any good to make such sweeping claims.

> Miriam

>

> :

> Iodine deficiency is in epidemic proportions throughout the world, and it is

> not being recognised by most medical providers. It is also the reason we

> have so much cancer now.

> >

> > JOT

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting this Sheila, I'd like to make a copy of it for my clients and

for my friends. We all follow Brownstein's advice on Iodine and I'm glad Dr P

does too. The only thing I would correct here is that we no longer suggest kelp.

The reason being is that the ocean waters are no longer clean and we feel the

kelp is contaminated. We take all the companion supplements with the iodine as

well, as his speech suggests.

Here are two articles on unrefined/unprocessed natural sea salt which are very

informative. I have just been chatting with a client about sea salt and high

blood pressure and have sent these to him. He understands it much better now,

thanks to Brownstein's study.

http://curezone.com/foods/saltcure.asp

http://www.vrp.com/minerals/celtic-sea-salt-shattering-the-myths-about-one-of-na\

tures-most-necessary-nutrients

Cheers,

JOT

[Guest guest]

I agree about Kelp, there is much literature regarding possible

contamination through ocean waters, but do you know if actual studies have been

done to show what this contamination is and the effects on the body Jot?

Sheila

Thanks for posting this Sheila, I'd like to make a copy of it for my clients

and for my friends. We all follow Brownstein's advice on Iodine and I'm glad Dr

P does too. The only thing I would correct here is that we no longer suggest

kelp. The reason being is that the ocean waters are no longer clean and we feel

the kelp is contaminated. We take all the companion supplements with the iodine

as well, as his speech suggests.

Here are two articles on unrefined/unprocessed natural sea salt which are very

informative. I have just been chatting with a client about sea salt and high

blood pressure and have sent these to him. He understands it much better now,

thanks to Brownstein's study.

http://curezone.com/foods/saltcure.asp

http://www.vrp.com/minerals/celtic-sea-salt-shattering-the-myths-about-one-of-natures-most-necessary-nutrients

Cheers,

JOT

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but do you know if actual studies have been done to show what this contamination is and the effects on the body Jot

Dear Sheila and Jot,

You might like to have a look at this:

http://cpmedical.net/articles.aspx?page=LIST & ProdID=2077 & zType=2

While I was looking for this article I saw another which explained that not all forms of arsenic are toxic. This may well be the case. However, arsenic is not the only heavy metal to be found at the bottom of the sea! There is nice stuff like mercury too.

I believe Lugols solution is used in industry. In that case if it is impure the process that it is used in could be compromised and the company using it could be obliged to write off a part of it's production. It could also sue the company that supplied the "impure" Lugol's.

If the impurity does not compromise the process and a product is sold on with a high level of impurity this could eventually lead to the manufacturer being sued.

For this reason I believe that the levels of purity of Lugol's are less of a risk than taking kelp, whose manufacturing process in many cases does not seem to be controlled. There financial stakes involved in industrial manufacturing are high and it seems to be a good guarantee of purity. (I wouldn't think this if Lugols was just used for treating humans. It's less of a financial risk to poison someone than to screw up a batch of industrial product!).

Hope this answers some questions.

MacGilchrist

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[Guest guest]

Could I chime into this discussion with a question please?

I've read Drs. Brownstein's, Peatfield's, Broda ' and Mark Starr's advice on iodine and I am well aware of the important role iodine plays in our general – not just thyroid- health. So I bought some Lugol's 7% solution and started building up from 1 to eventually 5 drops per day ( I take 2 grain's of NDT)

I can't remember now when it started – at 2 drops, I think – when I began to feel dizzy, a feeling like motion sickness but without the nausea. I am going through the day in a sort of a haze with an even worse sense of balance than usual ... perhaps the feeling is best explained as feeling slightly drunk. But because iodine is important from what I've read, I saw it through, took my drops before bed, which was less debilitating on account of balance, but it still made no difference to the dizzy feeling throughout the day. Plus, I can't sleep any more. I simply no longer feel tired. I am now awake half the nights staring at the ceiling, occasionally doze off, but wake about 5-6 times during the night, usually parched – drink water and subsequently need the loo. Only at 6 am, after taking my dose of NDT, do I fall into deep sleep for a couple of hours or so, until I force myself to get up eventually. I am not tired as such when I get up, just slightly `not with it' ....

Perhaps all this is co-incidence and due to something else, but it started with me taking Iodine. I checked my urine, btw – glucose is negative.

Has anybody else experienced this kind of thing? - I have stopped the iodine yesterday (after taking it for about 3-4 weeks), but today I still feel "drunk"..... – Any suggestions? Am I ready for the men in white coats to carry me off?

I read that Dr. P. in his book noted that "patients with pre-existing thyroid disease (notably Hashimoto's disease by ironic coincidence) are abnormally sensitive to excess iodine, and even a small excess may cause a small but significant reduction in thyroid output...." - are 5 drops excessive?? - but even 2 drops had the above effect!

I noticed at a time well before I had been diagnosed and treated for Hashimoto's that I had a similar experience when I took Kelp, so I rather think it really is the Iodine causing those symptoms.

I'd be grateful for your comments.

[Guest guest]

>> Hi , did you properly check to see whether you actually needed> iodine supplementation before you started iodine therapy?

No, I haven't Sheila .... sorry to show my ignorance, but how do I do that? I vaguely remember something about putting iodine on the skin to see how long it takes to disappear, but I've forgotten the details.... - is this what you meant?

love, xx

[Guest guest]

No, that test is actually extremely

unreliable. Your GP should be able to arrange to get this test done. The best

testing technique was developed by Dr Abrahams, in which a measured dose of

iodine/iodide is consumed and for the following 24 hours urine is collected and

a sample of that is then analysed to see the amount of the challenge dose being

eliminated.

The test consists of

ingesting 4 tablets of a solid dosage form of iodine/iodide (Iodizyme-HP)

containing a total of 50 mg iodine/iodide. Then urinary iodide levels are

measured in the following 24 hr collection. The iodine/iodide loading test is

based on the concept that the normally functioning human body has a mechanism

to retain ingested iodine until whole body sufficiency for iodine is achieved.

During supplementation of adequate iodine/iodide, a negative feedback mechanism

is triggered that progressively adjusts the excretion of iodine to balance the

intake. As the body iodine content increases, the percent of the iodine load

retained decreases with a concomitant increase in the amount of iodide excreted

in the 24 hr urine collection. When whole body sufficiency for iodine is

achieved, the absorbed iodine/iodide is quantitatively excreted as iodide in

the urine.[1]

Dr Abraham and Brownstein

describe as sufficient that at least 90% should be eliminated to confirm tissue

saturation and that a lower level may indicate iodine deficiency, which taken

in context with a physical examination and good history will justify the

exogenous ingestion of iodine/iodide to restore optimal tissue levels.[2]

These preliminary results

from people suspected of being deficient suggest that the UK is very similar to

other countries where people present with symptoms and signs consistent with

iodine deficiency. The move away from iodine rich foods such as seaweed,

shellfish and some cows milk by people seeking to modify their diet or

vegetarians, as well as a significant reduction in the intake of iodised salt

can lead to significant iodine deficiency http://www.nleducation.co.uk/news/iodine-status-in-uk

Luv - Sheila

>

> Hi , did you properly check to see

whether you actually needed

> iodine supplementation before you started iodine therapy?

No, I haven't Sheila .... sorry to show my

ignorance, but how do I do that? I vaguely remember something about

putting iodine on the skin to see how long it takes to disappear,

but I've forgotten the details.... - is this what you meant?

love, xx

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Hi folks,

Maybe this a stupid question but..........if the Kelp can be contaminated then

surely

the sea salt can be too?

I take Norwegian Kelp and unrefined Sea salt.

Love Tess

>

>

>

> Thanks for posting this Sheila, I'd like to make a copy of it for my clients

and for my friends. We all follow Brownstein's advice on Iodine and I'm glad Dr

P does too. The only thing I would correct here is that we no longer suggest

kelp. The reason being is that the ocean waters are no longer clean and we feel

the kelp is contaminated. We take all the companion supplements with the iodine

as well, as his speech suggests.

>

>

> Cheers,

> JOT

>

[Guest guest]

***No, that test is actually extremely unreliable. Your GP should be able to arrange to get this test done. The best testing technique was developed by Dr Abrahams, in which a measured dose of iodine/iodide is consumed and for the following 24 hours urine is collected and a sample of that is then analysed to see the amount of the challenge dose being eliminated...

Ah ..... thanks Sheila. Well, I'll try, although I can just envisage my GP's face when I tell him what I want <bg> He accommodates most of my wishes, but I can see him bulk at this one. He would (quite reasonably) ask `why?' ... and this is where I'd fall short with an answer. I don't think he'd be satisfied with my telling him that I know our bodies need iodine, but I feel like a drunken sailor when I take it – he'd tell me not to take it then ... - so what would a reasonable argument be to ask for this test?

My other burning questions is .... if my body needed iodine supplementation, would I have such a ridiculous reaction to taking it???

Love,

xx

[Guest guest]

i have heard that the iodine loading test shows virtually everyone to be iodine

deficient ...and that would make sense given the diimnsihed state of soils and

prevalence of the toxic halides bromide, fluouride, chloride - bromide is

particularly highlighted and in the us they put it in bread ! (previously iodine

was used); apparently you can't avoid bromide, it's in cars, computers etc and

it stops the body being able to use iodine, a lot of people say not to bother

with testing, just take iodine.

http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/Halides.html

http://drdavidbrownstein.blogspot.com/2010/01/toxicity-from-new-cars.html

http://www.iodine4health.com/ortho/brownstein_ortho.htm

christina, have you been taking the co-factors receommended by the iodin group

....apparently that makes all the difference and is vitally important. i have

head others say that using iodine really perks them up and they don't need so

much sleep but i'm not sure about the long term good effect of messing up our

biorythms. i've held off iodine for that reason at the mo because my adrenals

need lots of rest and i have heard it said that iodine can be hard on the

adrenals.

iodine/

you will have gathered i am gossiping (just passing on what i have heard)

does your own thyroid still produce hormones or has it conked out completely?

one thing i picked up the other day was that painting the belly with iodine is

effective against candida.

best wishes

trish

>

>

> Could I chime into this discussion with a question please?

>

>

>

> I've read Drs. Brownstein's, Peatfield's, Broda ' and

> Mark Starr's advice on iodine and I am well aware of the important

> role iodine plays in our general � not just thyroid- health. So I

> bought some Lugol's 7% solution and started building up from 1 to

> eventually 5 drops per day ( I take 2 grain's of NDT)

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

How do you remove Bromide and what's Bromide in? What are the symptoms of too

much Bromide in one's system?

Many thanks.

Anita x

[Guest guest]

Hi :

I have had similar dizzy-ness stuff as you mention, but it wasn't from iodine.

It was from too much ERFA in the system and adrenal fatigue.

As far as the *no sleep*, you only take iodine first thing in the morning and

never after 12:00 noon because you won't sleep. This is the case with *most

people* but there are some who can sleep with iodine at night.

I'd cut back on the iodine if the dizziness is related to taking it. ARe you

doing the companion supplements and the salt loading with the iodine? This is

very important and must be done hand in hand. I'd ask , at the iodine

group for insight into any problems you may be experiencing with iodine. I think

it's important to have a good support team behind you and has not only

cured herself with iodine, she works for Brownstein.

As far as the kelp being studied, I believe ran tests on it and found it

to be inferior, which is why they no longer suggest it. He is in a position

where he can run his own tests and has also done tests on Celtic Sea Salt, etc.

JOT

[Guest guest]

Brownstein, MD, Caution with Kelp

from his blog:

http://www.drbrownstein.com/blog.asp

Caution With Kelp Supplements

My research has shown that after testing over 4,000 patients for their Iodine

levels, over 96% of those tested are significantly low in iodine. Many patients

ask me if they can take kelp instead of iodine. The amount of iodine in kelp can

be variable. Furthermore, I was always concerned that kelp supplements may

contain toxic amounts of arsenic or halides. I have tested 2 kelp supplements

and found very elevated arsenic levels in both items. Both of these products

were marketed heavily and sales in the millions of dollars were reported. When I

contacted he manufactures of these products, neither returned my phone calls.

Remember, if kelp is grown in a polluted area of the ocean, it may contain

elevated amounts of these pollutants. New research has validated my findings.

Researchers at the University of California/ found that eight out of nine

kelp supplements contained abnormal levels of arsenic (Env. Health Perspectives,

April, 2007). The researchers began to look at kelp supplements after a patient

presented to the UC clinic with a myriad of complaints including memory

loss, hair loss and fatigue. She was found to have very high arsenic levels

which was traced to a kelp supplement she was taking. After stopping the kelp

supplement, her arsenic levels gradually declined and her symptoms improved.

So, what can you do? IF you are low in iodine, take a pure iodine product that

is not contaminated. Lugol's solution or tableted Lugol's solution (Iodoral®)

have both proven safe and effective in my practice. Kelp can be an appropriate

iodine source if the kelp has been tested and found free of toxic elements. I

would be very cautious about taking a kelp supplement unless the manufacture is

consistently testing the kelp for purity and consistency.

(This is from his blog.)

JOT

[Guest guest]

Hi Trish,

christina, have you been taking the co-factors receommended by the iodin group...apparently that makes all the difference and is vitally important.

iodine/

co-factors ??? what's that? Guess I have a lot more reading and learning to do .....

I am taking so many pills and potions now (supplements) that I am just about to lose the will to live. I have recently found out that I also suffer from (probably severe) hydrochloridia (too little stomach acid), which means taking another 20+ tablets of HCl (hydrochloric acid) daily on top of the other 25+ or so daily supplements - I don't think I can cope with any more supplements.

i havehead others say that using iodine really perks them up and they don't need somuch sleep but i'm not sure about the long term good effect of messing up ourbiorythms. i've held off iodine for that reason at the mo because my adrenalsneed lots of rest and i have heard it said that iodine can be hard on theadrenals.

hmmm - perhaps that is the reason for my sleepless nights?

does your own thyroid still produce hormones or has it conked out completely

I don't know. I have never had a scan. I am not under the care of an endo, just my GP. And since I feel surprisingly well (well, DID feel surprisingly well...) I just get the routine blood checks, which these days is a TSH (suppressed) and an FT4 (low – but that's to be expected since I take NDT) and TPO's once a year.– FT3 is anybody's guess, but I feel ok, so it probably is fine, Last year I still had over 100something of those (after 3 years of treatment), so I guess my thyroid gland is still around and active to a point. I'm due another yearly check-up soon - perhaps that will tell me more.one thing i picked up the other day was that painting the belly with iodine iseffective against candida.

Now there's a thought I need all the help I can get with my fight against Candida – particularly given my low stomach acid - perhaps percutaneous absorption would give me the best of both worlds... iodine without the dizziness ?

- thanks, Trish, much appreciated.

Love

xx

[Guest guest]

sorry - missed out a word ... please see below:

I don't know. I have never had a scan. I am not under the care of an endo, just my GP. And since I feel surprisingly well (well, DID feel surprisingly well...) I just get the routine blood checks, which these days is a TSH (suppressed) and an FT4 (low – but that's to be expected since I take NDT) and TPO's once a year.– FT3 is anybody's guess, but I feel ok, so it probably is fine, Last year I still had over 100something of those TPO's (after 3 years of treatment), so I guess my thyroid gland is still around and active to a point. I'm due another yearly check-up soon - perhaps that will tell me more.