Re: Adrenal issues i think

[Guest guest]

I can't directly answer your question but do you also take HCL with your HC? It

apparently helps absoprtion. Are you taking the cortef diffrently? eg with or

away from meals when you didn't do this before? maybe try adding HCL in, as per

this article:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/tasias-story/

" I have encoun­te­red a HUGE vic­tory that I would like to share with ever­yone

so that others don't have to waste 10 months like I did.

10 months ago, I began oral HC (hydro­cor­ti­sone) but I could never get my

tem­pe­ra­tu­res sta­ble, inc­rease my T3 dose, or get any relief from my

symp­toms. I switched to topi­cal HC, went up to 60mg for awhile and still, my

temps were not sta­ble, couldn't inc­rease T3, couldn't get any relief of

symptoms.

Last week, I had had a phone con­sult with Vale­rie of the NTH Adre­nals group

and she sug­ges­ted I add HCL (such as Betaine HCL) to my HC pill dose. What

hap­pe­ned next was a damn miracle. Pre­viously on 45mg HC, my temps were all

over the place, I felt like shit and spent my days on the couch.

ONE day after adding HCL, my tem­pe­ra­tu­res became sta­ble (0.1 degree

varia­tion) and I could be spon­ta­neous with my day. I now take 1000 mg HCL

with large meals and 500 mg HCL with about 1 cup of food. I always take HCL with

my HC dose. After nearly 11 months in this `adre­nal trap' I can begin to

address my thy­roid symptoms.

I always thought it was my adre­nals hol­ding up the show but it was actually

the acid pro­duc­tion in my sto­mach (a com­mon hypothy­roid symp­tom for some).

Here is my sug­ges­tion: if 20 mg HC is not wor­king, then add HCL (with food)

before inc­rea­sing the HC dose or before con­si­de­ring Medrol or Florinef. "

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info Chris.

Where do you buy the HCL from and are there any side effects. eg, could you

help stomach ulcers develop ?

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> I can't directly answer your question but do you also take HCL with your HC?

It apparently helps absoprtion. Are you taking the cortef diffrently? eg with

or away from meals when you didn't do this before? maybe try adding HCL in, as

per this article:

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/tasias-story/

>

>

> " I have encoun­te­red a HUGE vic­tory that I would like to share with

ever­yone so that others don't have to waste 10 months like I did.

>

> 10 months ago, I began oral HC (hydro­cor­ti­sone) but I could never get my

tem­pe­ra­tu­res sta­ble, inc­rease my T3 dose, or get any relief from my

symp­toms. I switched to topi­cal HC, went up to 60mg for awhile and still, my

temps were not sta­ble, couldn't inc­rease T3, couldn't get any relief of

symptoms.

>

> Last week, I had had a phone con­sult with Vale­rie of the NTH Adre­nals group

and she sug­ges­ted I add HCL (such as Betaine HCL) to my HC pill dose. What

hap­pe­ned next was a damn miracle. Pre­viously on 45mg HC, my temps were all

over the place, I felt like shit and spent my days on the couch.

>

> ONE day after adding HCL, my tem­pe­ra­tu­res became sta­ble (0.1 degree

varia­tion) and I could be spon­ta­neous with my day. I now take 1000 mg HCL

with large meals and 500 mg HCL with about 1 cup of food. I always take HCL with

my HC dose. After nearly 11 months in this `adre­nal trap' I can begin to

address my thy­roid symptoms.

>

> I always thought it was my adre­nals hol­ding up the show but it was actually

the acid pro­duc­tion in my sto­mach (a com­mon hypothy­roid symp­tom for some).

>

> Here is my sug­ges­tion: if 20 mg HC is not wor­king, then add HCL (with food)

before inc­rea­sing the HC dose or before con­si­de­ring Medrol or Florinef. "

>

[Guest guest]

any halths shop i should think,

www.revital.co.uk sell a range, and think 'your nutrition shop', do too

not sure about the ulcer thing - guess if you have a problem whereby you're

replacing what your not producing you should be ok?

[Guest guest]

What about taking Hc sub lingually. i have just read on another board this is

what they do and it allows you to get most of the tablets benefits, while taking

by mouth gives you 40% benefit apparently.

the tablets taste foul though so i will be a bit worried to try this tomorrow.

[Guest guest]

A test to see if you need HCL is:

You take 1/2 tsp of baking soda in glass of water and drink quickly. If you

don't have a huge belch in the next 5 minutes after drinking it then you are HCL

deficient. It is said in time that your own hcl will come back, but in the

meantime this is quite a relief to the body. [ this was told to me by someone

seeing a dr in the US]

> Where do you buy the HCL from and are there any side effects. eg, could you

help stomach ulcers develop ?

found the article below:

http://adam.about.com/reports/Peptic-ulcers.htm

" Hydrochloric acid. A common misperception is that excess hydrochloric acid,

which is secreted in the stomach, is solely responsible for producing ulcers.

Patients with duodenal ulcers do tend to have higher-than-normal levels of

hydrochloric acid, but most patients with gastric ulcers have normal or

lower-than-normal acid levels. Some stomach acid is important for protecting

against H. pylori, the bacteria that causes most peptic ulcers.

[Note: An exception is ulcers that occur in Zollinger-Ellison syndrome. This is

a rare genetic condition in which very high levels of gastrin, a hormone that

stimulates the release of hydrochloric acid, are secreted by tumors in the

pancreas or duodenum.]

Pepsin. Pepsin is an enzyme that breaks down proteins in food. Because the

stomach and duodenum are also composed of protein, they are susceptible to the

actions of pepsin. Pepsin is, therefore, also an important factor in the

formation of ulcers "

[Guest guest]

oh just thought i'd mention, i take HCL myself and it seems to help - i've not

had any problems with ulcers but then i guess these could take a time to

develop.

have you considered that maybe you need a bit more HC? Have you graphed your

temps as per Dr Rind? perhaps that would indicate where the problem lies?

[Guest guest]

Hi, could it be female hormones? I remember how mytemper was just totally unreasonable before hysterectomy after I was able to adjust my progesterone ( good for thyroid) and oestrogen( bad for thyroid) which resulted in a calmer happier family. > thyroid treatment > From: jphenderson@...> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:13:20 +0000> Subject: Adrenal issues i think> > I have had a really bad 24h's. I was feeling completley fine until yesterday at 5pm, then i became very tired. I snapped cooking the meal and had a good shout at my other half.> > Today i have been tired again, but again it has become really bad in the evening. i have nearly fallen asleep at the wheel coming home tonight.> > i think this is an adrenal problem and i have been on 15mg Cortef for 7 weeks now. The only change in the last few days has been a new bottle of cortef 10mg. Could this be a faulty supply? i bought from international pharmacy.> > if i increase the HC should i be looking to supplement according to my adrenal profile. i am very low in at noon and 4pm. the morning result is in the middle. or should i just take on a declining level. i have been doing 3 x 5mg a day.> > i am on 140mvgs levoT and have been doing quite well on it, but still finding the correct dose. the doc wanted me to come down last week and i tried, but 125mcgs brings back the hypo symptoms. so i am sticking to doing 150/150/125 every 3 days.> > any advise please as i am really feeling ill. i dont think this is a thyroid problem, but rather an adrenal one.> > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

Hi HCl is what digests the food. Ulcers are caused by helicobacter pylori so unless you have this there should be no problem. > Subject: Re: Adrenal issues i think> > Thanks for the info Chris.> > Where do you buy the HCL from and are there any side effects. eg, could you help stomach ulcers develop ?> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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> What about taking Hc sub lingually.

I have always wanted to take it sublingually but i was wondering if the contact

of cortisone in the mouth would damage the mouth. Why do they tell us to move

the skin area when you take cortisone cream?

anyone clarify??

thanks

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