Re: Thyroid Musings and Psychiatric Manifestations..

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Phychiatrists just want to prescribe anti-depressants. I had one for a few years

who was very nice and prescribed me loads of different anti depressants - until

my hypothyroidism was diagnosed.

When I told her I wanted to treat it with T3 she said 'oh, you want to go down

that route do you?' and I never heard from her again, in spite of my GP

re-referring me.

As for the benefits, I expect you will need to claim employment and support

allowance instead of jobseekers allowance. You will need a sick note from your

GP. They usually write them for six months at a time.

If you subscribe to benefitsandwork.co.uk you will get the info on how to make a

successful claim. I wish I had subscribed before I started trying to claim. (I

have since moved to America so no more benefits for me, I depend on my partner

now).

It is about £20 but its well worth it - it pays for itself in fact as it enables

you to get the benefits you are entitled to.

Psychotherapists can be just as bad - I saw one on the NHS and she actually FELL

ASLEEP while I was talking to her. Imagine that!

Eventually I saw a nice psychotherapist privately (recommended by a friend) and

it was she who eventually told me to see a private doctor as I was so ill. I

went to see a private gyneacologist - my symptoms were manifesting as severe PMS

fatigue, depression etc - and he diagnosed my hypothyroidism.

Good luck with the benefits.

CJ

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Hi Peary Peary

sorry you saw such a useless woman. she sounded dreadful, and clearly hasn't

got a clue. i once saw a pscyhiatrist who was a part time actor - he wanted to

be a full time one. he was absolutely useless, he was only a locum , probably

in it for the money as sure was useless.

a private psychiatrist *might* be better but i would perhaps email them first to

see if they would consider giving t3 as a test?

the SSRIs may not be a good choice in people with thyroid problems, they are

very taxing to the adrenals. wicked drugs really, it's said that in all or most

of these murder suicide shootings in the USA etc that the person is on these

drugs. if you wanted to read about this, check out 'prozac pandora or panacea'

by tracy ann blake.

>I don,t think she quite knew what to make of that...

good for you, sometimes i have found all we can do is make these people realise

how uneducated and stupid they are and just how wrong they are. eg, when i was

told about graded exercise, i pointed out that it sounded very wishy washy and

not a proper treatment, well the consultant didn't know what to say to that!

can you get a letter off your gp to support your problems with depression etc?

perhaps like the other poster says, a private dr might be more open minded and

supportive but i know that is expensive. don't let them grind you down, you may

be able to get employment support allowance (ESA) and appeal against if it they

say you are too well to work. they turn most people down at first just to get

rid of them - eg, they turned down a man with bladder cancer and someone else

who was psychotic. don't let them beat you, that's what they rely on is you

giving up.

that woman should should quit her day job. i hope you can get better treatment

soon

Chris

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> When I got home I acually felt more depressed than ever.As a side note I

looked this woman up as I was unsure if she was a psychiatrist or psychologist

and came across an article on her in The Times. Apparently on the side, she is a

rising pop star,fronts a retro sixties band,has a record deal and left

University with no debts(lucky her) because the band were doing so well.In her

own words she says she gets'bored easily' but her friends are amazed she is a

bonafide Psychatrist during the day.Bet she gets a kick out of that eh?

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> The irony...I wanted to be a singer once.God it hurts.

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Hi and Jane,

Thankyou both for your kind and helpful replies.

I really have been in an awful state today after seeing that woman and I am so angry with myself for going to see her.Its like a knife in the bloody heart sitting across from this fit young professional playing the part of Psychiatrist by day but sexy pop siren by night.Patronising me and spewing forth utter tripe.

She could never begin to comprehend my suffering and believe me I want her to bloody know about it.Thing is as soon as I vetoed the citalopram she was eager to get me out the door as soon as possible.Maybe I should go back and tell her how depressed SHE made me feel!!

> > > > > When I got home I acually felt more depressed than ever.As a side note I looked this woman up as I was unsure if she was a psychiatrist or psychologist and came across an article on her in The Times. Apparently on the side, she is a rising pop star,fronts a retro sixties band,has a record deal and left University with no debts(lucky her) because the band were doing so well.In her own words she says she gets'bored easily' but her friends are amazed she is a bonafide Psychatrist during the day.Bet she gets a kick out of that eh?> > > > The irony...I wanted to be a singer once.God it hurts.> >>

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Hi Peary, Perhaps she should stick to singing! > thyroid treatment > From: pearypeary@...> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:06:13 +0000> Subject: Thyroid Musings and Psychiatric Manifestations..> > Hi all,> > Apologies in advance for this long ranting post..> > Well,I lost my head again today and decided to attend an appointment to see a psychiatrist(at least I think that's what she was).> > I had been experiencing extreme depression again like you do with this tormenting and unrelenting condition.Having tried most approaches I haven,t really improved clinically at all in 8 years.> > The irony...I wanted to be a singer once.God it hurts.> > > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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Peary

you should be angry with her, not yourself. You went hoping that she would help

and she didn't/wouldn't, so it's her to be angry with. Polite words fail me for

how to describe these kind of people. I got a referral to an endo yesterday,

and was amazed at the lies and misinformation in the referral letter: (this is

from my cover letter to the private endo, who actually sounds nice and helpful

in his replies -the bits in quotes are extracts from the referral letter)

Some points in these letters are not factually correct eg " This gentleman, over

the years, has declined to accept that his symptoms may have any basis in mental

health issues. " This is completely wrong, I have always accepted this, but

the situation is complex and has at times changed. At times I was very

depressed and saw a counsellor weekly in Birmingham (for about four years), as

part of the South Birmingham mental health trust, I saw a psychiatrist too. At

no point did I ever deny I had mental problems but these problems I think got

much better when I moved and then I think I was largely better. I paid for a

private consultation with a Psychiatrist from the Woodbourne Priory in 2007

before I moved, so why would I do this if I did not think I had mental health

problems?! In 2008 after a year of feeling reasonably ok, after a period of

stress, I had different symptoms - fatigue, which I did not think was

depression. I was depressed but this was a symptom. I have had problems with

depression over the years and I know depression from fatigue.

Also, " He has remained fairly convinced that his borderline low testosterone

level is relevant in terms of his symptomalogy. " I never said that, I just

asked for a test in 2009, was told (incorrectly) that it was normal, then on a

hunch I had a saliva test (paid for by myself ) and then on this basis, I asked

to be retested a year later and these results were low too, and I asked 'what

if' this could be a hormone problem (not necessarily testosterone)? I have not

pursued this further with the NHS because my results are deemed normal by them.

And the thing is they lied and didn't follow their own processes: when i had low

testost results, the results said " low -retest with FSH and TSH - if normal,

refer to a psychiatrist " or something like that, i got none of that.

They haven't got a clue. Lies, ignorance and more lies.

you could play her at her own game for now. say yes i'm depressed can i have

the citalopram, get the script but dn't take the med. maybe you'd get a letter

then? sometimes you have to humour these people....don't give up

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> She could never begin to comprehend my suffering and believe me I want

> her to bloody know about it.Thing is as soon as I vetoed the citalopram

> she was eager to get me out the door as soon as possible.Maybe I should

> go back and tell her how depressed SHE made me feel!!

>

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> the SSRIs may not be a good choice in people with thyroid problems, they are

very taxing to the adrenals. wicked drugs really, it's said that in all or most

of these murder suicide shootings in the USA etc that the person is on these

drugs. if you wanted to read about this, check out 'prozac pandora or panacea'

by tracy ann blake.

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My thoughts on this one, also link with the ME issue.

I repeatedly had SSRIs pushed onto me by the GPs because " they are supposed to

help " . i.e. help the ME fatigue, even though I didn't have acutal depression. I

had a psychiatrist who actually said I wasn't depressed...

So if there is controversy or overlap between ME and hypothyroid, or ME can lead

into hypothyroid, or hypothyroidism can be missed and called ME... Basically

these SSRIs are actually harming ME people then. Chances are the average ME

person doesn't have clinical depression to kick off with (if some have, that's a

seperate issue). But I do wonder if all this ME/CFS, together with some family

history, together with SSRIs for a couple of years, just tips the thyorid and

thyroid conversion over the edge.

Now I am back on some T3 I feel a lot calmer and more chilled out. In fact I

feel the same as I did when I took Armour, i.e. when I had a spell of Armour but

no T3. Therefore I have a way to go before I get back to where I was when I took

Armour and T3, but it's a step in the right direction.

If a lack of T3 made me angry emotionally, then I have often wondered how many

shootings etc are due to a lack of T3 and how much of this is missed.

Fiona

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> If a lack of T3 made me angry emotionally, then I have often wondered how many

shootings etc are due to a lack of T3 and how much of this is missed.

Interesting, but i don't think that's the mechanism at work here - if people are

on ssri's, it disrupts serotonin metabolism:

http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/Serotonin-Psychadelic.htm

SEROTONIN - THE KEY TO THE PSYCHADELIC EXPERIENCE:

The brain chemical these drugs increase, serotonin, is the same brain chemical

that LSD, PCP and other psychedelic drugs mimic in order to produce their

hallucinogenic effects " . . . psychedelic agents mimic the effects of

serotonin. " And remember that psychedelic agents are " a class of compounds with

no demonstrated therapeutic use, a history of extensive abuse, and the ability

to provoke psychosis. Yet many brain researchers value the psychedelic agents

above any of the other psychoactive drugs " because " the research into

psychedelic drugs has already enriched our understanding of how the brain

regulates behavior. " (Dr. Snyder, DRUGS AND THE BRAIN) Just how much

will these brain researchers learn from our experience with these drugs designed

to specifically increase serotonin, the same brain chemical the psychedelic

agents mimic to produce their effects?

We know that these drugs interfere with serotonin metabolism (demonstrated by

levels of the serotonin metabolite 5HIAA). It is not serotonin that is low in

these disorders, it is this by product 5HIAA, which indicates the level of

serotonin metabolism, that is low in depression, suicide, etc. Yet as serotonin

(5HT) goes up serotonin metabolism (5HIAA) generally comes down. We already have

studies demonstrating at what percentage each of these drugs increase 5HT and

decrease 5HIAA. Now learn the results first of elevated levels of serotonin

(5HT) and secondly the results of decreased levels of serotonin metabolism

(5HIAA):

Elevated 5HT (serotonin) levels:

#1 schizophrenia, psychosis, mania, etc.

#2 mood disorders (depression, anxiety, etc.)

#3 organic brain disease - especially mental retardation at a greater incident

rate in children

#4 autism (a self-centered or self-focused mental state with no basis in

reality)

#5 Alzheimer's disease

#6 old age

#7 anorexia

#8 constriction of the blood vessels

#9 blood clotting

#10 constriction of bronchials and other physical effects

Lower 5HIAA (serotonin metabolism) levels:

#1 suicide (especially violent suicide)

#2 arson

#3 violent crime

#4 insomnia

#5 depression

#6 alcohol abuse

#7 impulsive acts with no concern for punishment

#8 reckless driving

#9 dependence upon various substances

#10 bulimia

#11 multiple suicide attempts

#12 hostility and more contact with police

#13 exhibitionism

#14 arguments with spouses, friends and relatives

#15 obsessive compulsive behavior

#16 impaired employment due to hostility, etc.

All are exactly what patients and their families have continued to report to be

their experience on these drugs since Prozac was introduced! These individuals

are frantically searching for answers while this research sits right under our

noses. Although this is a totally different picture than pharmaceutical

marketing departments would have us believe, marketing claims and reality rarely

have much in common.

Researchers tell us that five, ten or twenty years later it is not uncommon to

find we have another thalidomide on our hands. Raising 5HT (serotonin) and

lowering 5HIAA (serotonin metabolism) in such a high number of people can

produce very serious, extensive and long term problems for all of society. Even

more frightening for the future of our society is the rapidly rising widespread

accepted practice of prescribing these drugs to small children and adolescents.

This crucial medical research must be addressed openly, without delay, rather

than remain buried in seldom read medical research documents as has been the

case in the past with other mind-altering medications, once thought to be safe,

which were subsequently prohibited by law.

Some information included in the book (424 pgs):

....serious long-term adverse physical and psychiatric side effects produced by

elevated levels of serotonin ...reported after effects: withdrawal, memory loss,

sleep disorders, panic and anxiety attacks (adrenalin rushes), impaired

concentration, bi-polar, diabetes, MS symptoms, mania, chronic fatigue, severe

rebound depression, symptoms of Cushings Syndrome - moon face, looking or

feeling pregnant, inability to handle stress, mood swings, etc.

....learn the cause of depression, manic-depression, panic, anxiety, OCD,

psychosis, schizophrenia, etc.- understand mental illness as never before.

....why False Memory Syndrome is so often being induced by these drugs and

breaking up relationships ...reports of compulsions for alcohol, sweets,

NutraSweet sweetened drinks, spending and sex

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

Look at this posting on Medhelp...they were actually going to

give this poor girl electric shock treatment!!!!

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Thyroid-Disorders/Psychiatric-complications---thyro\

id-involvement/show/1250528

Shocking right enough!

Love Tess

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> Hi Peary Peary

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> sorry you saw such a useless woman. she sounded dreadful, and clearly hasn't

got a clue. i once saw a pscyhiatrist who was a part time actor - he wanted to

be a full time one. he was absolutely >

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