Re: Thyroid, now diabetes

[Guest guest]

I am type 2 and take diabetic medication, my doctor told me they aim to get the HC1 below 7%, for non diabetics its lower, at present I am at 8%, this has reduced though from 10%.

At one time a colesterol level of 5 was perfectly acceptable, now they want it below 4. The goal posts are moving all the time!

When you are diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, if taking medication, you are entitled to free prescriptions, as you are with hypothyroidism. Also diabetes medication itself is costing NHS an exorbitant amount of money.It has now been revealed that like the TSH the recommended reference range is being changed, so less will be considered to need medication, or need extra medication.Lilian

[Guest guest]

Hi Lilian, I wonder what the ranges would be if the folk setting the ranges all suffered with the conditions themselves? > > Subject: Thyroid, now diabetes> > When you are diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, if taking medication, you are entitled to free prescriptions, as you are with hypothyroidism. Also diabetes medication itself is costing NHS an exorbitant amount of money.> > It has now been revealed that like the TSH the recommended reference range is being changed, so less will be considered to need medication, or need extra medication.> > > TPA is trying to say that it is a false economy not treating the thyroid properly and it is a false economy not to treat diabetes correctly. Again many doctors agree with proper thyroid treatment but their hands are tied, now they are being tied with regard to diabetes.> > Is there a pattern here? What other treatments will have their ranges changed to manipulate the statistics. After all if you don't have the condition you don't need any treatment.> > Lilian> > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

I wonder whether someone has arbitrarily decided that, for example, 5% of the

population suffers from hypothyroidism. So they sample the entire population

and set the " normal range " according to that. If the population is really

experiencing more and more hypothyroidism, that means the " normal range " would

have to increase steadily.

Perhaps the motivation to redefine these illnesses is an attempt to avoid facing

up to the fact that numbers of sufferers are reaching epidemic proportions?

Miriam

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> When you are diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, if taking medication, you are

entitled to free prescriptions, as you are with hypothyroidism. Also diabetes

medication itself is costing NHS an exorbitant amount of money.

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> It has now been revealed that like the TSH the recommended reference range is

being changed, so less will be considered to need medication, or need extra

medication.

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[Guest guest]

I think you are right there Miriam

I wonder whether someone has arbitrarily decided that, for example, 5% of the population suffers from hypothyroidism. Perhaps the motivation to redefine these illnesses is an attempt to avoid facing up to the fact that numbers of sufferers are reaching epidemic proportions?Miriam>> When you are diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, if taking medication, you are entitled to free prescriptions, as you are with hypothyroidism. Also diabetes medication itself is costing NHS an exorbitant amount of money.> > It has now been revealed that like the TSH the recommended reference range is being changed, so less will be considered to need medication,

or need extra medication.>

[Guest guest]

Yes, Bob said something very interesting at our get together. (Well he said

lots of interesting things, but this was one of them!) He was saying that

shortage of selenium and iodine were involved in the increase in thyroid

problems. Apparently, in Finland they decided to add selenium to the soil so

that plants growing would take it up and it would therefore reach the population

without the need for supplementation.

(I hope I have paraphrased you fairly accurately there Bob!)

Anyway, what we need is forward thinking leadership like that, instead of an

attempt to sweep the problem under the carpet.

Miriam

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> I think you are right there Miriam

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> Perhaps the motivation to redefine these illnesses is an attempt to avoid

facing up to the fact that numbers of sufferers are reaching epidemic

proportions?

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> Miriam

[Guest guest]

Hi Miriam,

That's a good summary; Finland was coping with something akin to the Chinese

problem ~ Keshan disease, causing heart failure in early childhood.

I doesn't have to get that bad here, but my paternal g/mother had goitre and

rheumatic fever, died young (c.30yrs).

(Derbyshire neck ~ in Derby itself).

Fluoride and/or lead in local water supply may have been the problem. Reservoirs

serving both Derby/Chesterfield and Sheffield were built in the 1920s.

Railways were providing fish supplies to the local market but I don't know how

much fish was being consumed by the family ( for its iodine )

My G/father was a plumber, hence lead exposed ~ from piping ~ the problem said

to have undermined the Roman empire.

Possibly his wife was also exposed from contaminated clothing.

Oddly enough, my older brother may have had a similar experience (his wife

was(?) inadvertently exposed to organic lead poisoning during pregnancy ~

washing lab coats used when handling organo~lead compounds ~ both working at the

same facility )

Niece was born with pain insensitivity (may have had gestational lead exposure).

I've read that environmental trace element exposure during gestation can

permanently " set " the endocrine system ( arsenic in particular for steroids ).

So iodine and selenium ought to, likewise, " set " the HPA Axis for thyroid

function.

.....and I also read that this is a potentially heritable feature for those born

in localities with an 'odd' mix of trace elements.

Hence if you move away from a birth locality where there is an 'odd' mix of

trace elements, you may suffer the consequnces of an endocrine disruption merely

from changing your dietary input of those trace elements....always worth

considering the desirability of buying 'local' produce if you have moved into an

area, not like your own (trace element) home region.

best wishes

Bob

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> Yes, Bob said something very interesting at our get together. (Well he said

lots of interesting things, but this was one of them!) He was saying that

shortage of selenium and iodine were involved in the increase in thyroid

problems. Apparently, in Finland they decided to add selenium to the soil so

that plants growing would take it up and it would therefore reach the population

without the need for supplementation.

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> (I hope I have paraphrased you fairly accurately there Bob!)