Re: How common is Candida in Men? & what is the most effective Cure???

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***What's the best & quickest way to blast Candida?

If only there were a short answer to that !!! Assuming you have done your home work and positively identified that you suffer from systemic Candida, I guess the most comprehensive answer is by Dr. Peatfield, and I will copy and paste it below for you.

A few comments from someone who has suffered the beast for a life time - (me)..... It all started when I was a baby, but I didn't realize what was happening until I was 42 years old. I am now 58 and still fighting it every day.....

There are no quick fixes to kill off systemic Candida. It is not a fungus that lives on the surface, it lives in your blood, and killing it off is extremely difficult. As for a time scale - I have no proof that this is true, but I have read that it takes as many months to rid yourself of Candida as the number of years you have suffered it.... going by my own experience, I can well believe it.

All of what Dr. P. recommends below will help and get the ball rolling - but unless you keep refraining from all refined sugars - and that includes alcohol (wine and beer in particular), and adapt your diet for a considerable amount of time, the 'beast' will come back with a vengeance.

As an alternative (or perhaps an addition to the below regime) Bicarbonate of Soda has been recommended (pls. see in the files) , which is one of the cheapest products and I am sure that it helps too.

One very good - but very expensive - kind of probiotic is ThreeLac. I find it excellent and have been taking it for years as my daily probiotic of choice to keep my Candida under control. In my experience a good probiotic (with Candida albicans killing strains of acidophilus) is vital in addition to a good diet.

Good luck,

Candida

When we talk about Candida, we think of rashes or thrush, athletes foot, or something of the sort. Yet these manifestations of Candida are the tip of an enormous iceberg getting larger and larger as the years go by. Candida may actually be present in any tissue or any gland of the body; it may arrive shortly after birth and remain with us throughout life. It may apparently not affect us very much, and we use some ointment for the odd rash, the ringworm, the athletes foot; yet it may be having a sinister and damaging effect on our health generally. Our mistake is to underestimate it.

What is Candida? - Candida is a fungus (or yeast). Of the very many species that exist the one that really targets us (and other animals) is Candida Albicans. It exists in two forms. It has a yeast form, which is a free form and exists in body fluids, waiting for a suitable opportunity to spread. Should it find such an opportunity, it develops root-like structures, which are invasive, and can penetrate and pass through body tissues.

You may have thought, picturing mouldy bread or rotting food, that fungi live only on dead tissue. The worrying thing is that if the fungus is vigorous enough (and Candida albicans is), or the immune system is not as alert as it should be, then it can grow in, and on us, while we are still alive.

That is not a happy thought, yet fungal infections are increasing steadily; and are now a major cause of disease in the western world. Unfortunately, they are regarded by many doctors as merely being of passing nuisance, often unaware that the body as a whole may be subject to insistent and progressive infection, causing very many unexpected symptoms.

Causes of Infection - we need to ask why its presence is on the increase. Fungi live, mostly, on sugar. And we, in the western world, eat more sugar than anyone else, and the amount steadily increases. It is something like 150 pounds a year; 150 years ago, it was 1 or 2 pounds a year. Moreover, we expose ourselves to several other hazards. One is alcohol, primarily because the normal activity of the immune system is suppressed. (It may also contain damaging mycotoxins, of which more in a moment.) Another is antibiotics, which kill off the bacteria which prey on and control fungus inside us. The contraceptive pill, oestrogen in our foodstuffs (this includes phytoestrogens from plants), chemotherapeutic drugs and radiation are others.

Once fungus has a grip, there are a whole list of symptoms which can follow. Vaginal (or oral) thrush, fatigue, headaches, allergies, digestive problems, cognitive loss, depression, recurrent infections - upper respiratory or genito-urinary, arthralgia. Of major concern is the effect of penetration by Candida of the gut mucosa. This causes the leaky gut syndrome where incompletely digested proteins find their way into the bloodstream and thus cause multiple allergies and precipitate symptoms of Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS). There are concerns now that Candida will attack, take over and progressively destroy certain glands. In the thyroid or adrenal glands, hypothyroidism or low adrenal reserve may be caused. The presence of Candida may provoke the immune system into what appears to be an autoimmune response. This is where the immune system appears to turn on its own tissues: rheumatoid arthritis, systemic lupus erythematosus and polyarteritis are examples. But a possible sequence of events is that in attempting to destroy Candida in the glands, the immune system destroys the infected tissues as well. This may well happen in autoimmune thyroiditis, or Hashimoto's Disease. It may occur in the adrenal glands by the same process. Research has been put forward to suggest that the same process may be at work as a cause of Diabetes Mellitus, where the alpha cells in the Islets of Langherhans of the Pancreas are targeted.

Treatment - evidently, Candida albicans can cause a lot more trouble than a rash or athletes foot. More people than not are likely to have some symptom or other due to Candida, and the medicines we take and the food we eat are providing all the possible help the fungus needs to thrive. So, what can we do to rid ourselves of this persistent, invasive and troublesome organism which threatens to destroy us even before we are dead?

The problem is in its very persistence. It keeps coming back. Once it has a hold, it really won't let go. To cope with this we have four strategies we can use: i) over-the-counter antifungals, ii) maintenance, using natural antifungals, iii) dietary control and iv) restoration of normal gut mucosa.

1. Over-the-counter Antifungals - there are a number in use today. One widely used, and veryeffective, is fluconazole (150 mg - 1 weekly x 3 weeks), another is itraconazole (marketed asSporonox) and in use for many years is mycostatin (Nystatin). These may be employed overseveral weeks. (A rapid "die off' of Candida may promote symptoms of general toxicity withcollapse, headaches, bowel upsets. This "Herxheimer Reaction" will pass in a day or so.)

2. Natural Antifungals - maintenance may be achieved by the use of various herbal remedies,probably over several months to ensure full clearance. Examples are: grapefruit seed extract,horopito, olive leaf extract, garlic, malic acid, oil of oregano, caprylic acid (Caprylate -Nutri Ltd).

3. Dietary Control - since fungi live and thrive on sugar, the diet has to be altered. It isimpossible to entirely cut out carbohydrates but refined carbohydrates, sugar, bread, pastacan be very much reduced. Potatoes, rice, legumes, fruits and fruit juice should also be verymuch reduced, since on digestion they rapidly become sugar. As a number of carbohydrates,particularly the grains, are contaminated with toxin producing fungi, this has to be addressedas well. These "mycotoxins", which are extremely dangerous, damage our immune system,may initiate atherosclerosis and are carcinogenic. Aflatoxin, ochratoxin, vomitoxin areexamples of very potent fungal poisons. Sadly, even alcohol can be infected in this way.

4. Restoring Normal Gut Mucosa - having eliminated Candida it is necessary to ensure thenormally and properly resident bacteria are re-established. The correct bacterial flora may beprovided; these are called probiotics. Consisting of acidophilus and bifidobacteria, these arefound in organic yoghurts or may be provided in a suitable supplement in powder or tabletform (Ultra Probioplex - Nutri Ltd). Prebiotics are the correct foodstuffs to nourish thecorrect bacteria; they consist of vegetable fibre, which is not absorbed, and is found invegetables and fruits containing fructo oligosaccharides. A supplement containing bothprebiotics and probiotics is Prime Directive from Safe Remedies.

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Hi

I have spent the last six months aggressively attacking the candida and now

there is a family celebration looming and I would like to be able to indulge

with a pud and a glass of wine at the meal.

I know, I know, I know.......

that I should not but given that I probably will, with your extensive experience

in this area, may I ask if there is some way of minimising the damage. Christmas

is another hurdle...

How do you manage these sorts of occasions yourself?

Mo

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> ***What's the best & quickest way to blast Candida? If only

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Thank you for taking the time !

Well, the answer to your question :

" Assuming you have done your home work and positively identified that you suffer

from systemic Candida "

Is No. I am new to discovering I have Thyroid issues & only just heard of

Candida. All I know is :

- About 15 years ago I suddenly got a very nasty condition of the Tongue. Deep

raw smooth patches. My GP didn't know what is was & i was referred to a

specialist at hospital. They didn't know what it was either & that's as far as

it went. Whilst it's calmed down a lot, I still have those smooth patches.

- My tongue does seem a bit too big for my mouth. Bite the sides all the time.

- Stinging dry eyes for years

- My big toe nails are horrible. brown & brittle, they grow in & I have to

remove them completely (just the big toes btw)

- Athletes foot since teens + constant fight against " jock rash "

- years of fatigue & depression (that could be other reasons)

Of course I would like to know for sure, but I'll certainly give the Bicarb a

go.

Thanks again!

ian

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> ***What's the best & quickest way to blast Candida? If only there

> were a short answer to that [] !!! Assuming you have done your

> home work and positively identified that you suffer from systemic

> Candida, I guess the most comprehensive answer is by Dr. Peatfield, and

> I will copy and paste it below for you. A few comments from someone

> who has suffered the beast for a life time - (me)..... It all started

> when I was a baby, but I didn't realize what was happening until I was

> 42 years old. I am now 58 and still fighting it every day..... There

> are no quick fixes to kill off systemic Candida. It is not a fungus that

> lives on the surface, it lives in your blood, and killing it off is

> extremely difficult. As for a time scale - I have no proof that this is

> true, but I have read that it takes as many months to rid yourself of

> Candida as the number of years you have suffered it.... going by my own

> experience, I can well believe it. All of what Dr. P. recommends below

> will help and get the ball rolling -

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Its not something that will go away quickly Ian. You need to

treat this thoroughly through medication, antifungals and diet. Go to our Home

Page thyroid treatment

- click on FILES in the Menu, and on the page that opens, look at the

FOLDER entitled 'Candida'. Read everything there is there. Any questions after

you have read this information, just shout. This could be the answer to why you

have been suffering from so badly.

Luv - Sheila

Well I now find out that the sore pitted

swollen tongue I've had for 15 years could be Candida.

Went to the GP with it, even got referred to a specialist in hospital, but they

never came up with everything.

Only now when I'm finding my Testosterone is low & now my Thyroid does this

fall into place.

What's the best & quickest way to blast Candida?

Thanks

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Thanks Sheila

I'd already read all that. I was hoping there was a " Super Strength Medication "

to just blast it out. The truth can be hard to accept sometimes, I can quit

bread, cakes, sweets, pasta....but why oh why Lager??? ;-(

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> Its not something that will go away quickly Ian. You need to treat this

> thoroughly through medication, antifungals and diet. Go to our Home Page

> thyroid treatment - click on

> FILES in the Menu, and on the page that opens, look at the FOLDER entitled

> 'Candida'. Read everything there is there. Any questions after you have read

> this information, just shout. This could be the answer to why you have been

> suffering from so badly.

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> Luv - Sheila

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> Well I now find out that the sore pitted swollen tongue I've had for 15

> years could be Candida.

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> Went to the GP with it, even got referred to a specialist in hospital, but

> they never came up with everything.

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> Only now when I'm finding my Testosterone is low & now my Thyroid does this

> fall into place.

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> What's the best & quickest way to blast Candida?

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> Thanks

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You can find out for sure Ian by getting the test from Genova

Diagnostics. This tests to see whether you have candida antibodies. www.gdx.uk.net

Luv - Sheila

- About 15 years ago I suddenly got a very nasty condition of the Tongue. Deep

raw smooth patches. My GP didn't know what is was & i was referred to a

specialist at hospital. They didn't know what it was either & that's as far

as it went. Whilst it's calmed down a lot, I still have those smooth patches.

- My tongue does seem a bit too big for my mouth. Bite the sides all the time.

- Stinging dry eyes for years

- My big toe nails are horrible. brown & brittle, they grow in & I have

to remove them completely (just the big toes btw)

- Athletes foot since teens + constant fight against " jock rash "

- years of fatigue & depression (that could be other reasons)

Of course I would like to know for sure, but I'll certainly give the Bicarb a

go.

Thanks again!

ian

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I tested negative for the Genova Test(and am male, 30) , Ian, but my symptoms

fitted and i got very bad die off when i took the anti candidal things

(diflucan, caprylic acid); i don't think it was a bad reaction to the

anticandidals, since the die off got progressively 'better' (ie less bad) with

time.

may be worth just treating yourself regardless of the test results and see if

you get any die off or improvement? £70 would buy a good few packets of

diflucan or probiotics, say. Everyone is supposed to have candida aren't they i

think it's a case of whether it's gone systemic or not?

So if money was tight i'd personally not bother with that test if it was me and

just try some anti candidals though if you can afford it i guess it'd be

reassuring to know the results.

Things that i tried included diflucan, caprylic acid, and lately, humaworm

(www.humaworm.com), which is a herbal antiparasitic and anticandidal -it's only

about £21-22 for a months supply incl postage).

Also the book 'the stress effect' is good as it pays attention to our gut and

make sure we've not got other problems there too like inflammation from diet, as

that can cause a lot of problems too. if there is a lot of gut inflammation

then the body has to use cortisol to suppress it, meaning this could exhaust our

adrenals too.

chris

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> Thanks Sheila

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> I'd already read all that. I was hoping there was a " Super Strength

Medication " to just blast it out. The truth can be hard to accept sometimes, I

can quit bread, cakes, sweets, pasta....but why oh why Lager??? ;-(

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Thanks very much Chris

What is " die off " ???

So you're a 30 yo Male, can I ask what your Symptoms were/are?

I'm really interested in this now. My Mrs & 10yo son both have terrible Sinus

problems. It seems they produce snot 24/7. Both bad mouth breathers, which

doesn't help their situation.

We're starting Bicarb of Soda tomorrow, but I will also get some of these

treatments you mention, see what results are.

Thanks again!

Ian

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>> Hi > I have spent the last six months aggressively attacking the candida and now there is a family celebration looming and I would like to be able to indulge with a pud and a glass of wine at the meal.> I know, I know, I know.......> that I should not but given that I probably will, with your extensive experience in this area, may I ask if there is some way of minimising the damage. Christmas is another hurdle...> How do you manage these sorts of occasions yourself?

Hi Mo,

If you want my honest answer... I give into the temptation - but in moderation. I had been "good" for the first year, did not touch even a single piece of choc and didn't touch a drop, but now I eat and drink "sensibly". It does not always work out, and as you say, you can't be a spoil sport all the time. I know my system can now handle a glass of wine once in a while and a bar of chocolate every now and then. It is a daily fight, but I have to be practical too. So my personal "golden rule" is - if I am about to "sin", it has to be for something worth while. Only the best will do - I would rather drink water than plonk... if I am about to break the rules, it has to be for something special. Same goes for chocolate... I wouldn't break the rules for a Mars bar....This way I limit myself and although I always feel guilty when I do break the rules, at least I really enjoy the forbidden fruit whilst I'm at it .

If you do endulge, make sure you also drink lots of water and take extra probiotics.

All the best,

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Thanks very much Chris

What is " die off " ???

So you're a 30 yo Male, can I ask what your Symptoms were/are?

I'm really interested in this now. My Mrs & 10yo son both have terrible Sinus

problems. It seems they produce snot 24/7. Both bad mouth breathers, which

doesn't help their situation.

We're starting Bicarb of Soda tomorrow, but I will also get some of these

treatments you mention, see what results are.

Thanks again!

Ian

>

> I tested negative for the Genova Test(and am male, 30) , Ian, but my symptoms

fitted and i got very bad die off when i took the anti candidal things

(diflucan, caprylic acid); i don't think it was a bad reaction to the

anticandidals, since the die off got progressively 'better' (ie less bad) with

time.

>

> may be worth just treating yourself regardless of the test results and see if

you get any die off or improvement? £70 would buy a good few packets of

diflucan or probiotics, say. Everyone is supposed to have candida aren't they i

think it's a case of whether it's gone systemic or not?

>

> So if money was tight i'd personally not bother with that test if it was me

and just try some anti candidals though if you can afford it i guess it'd be

reassuring to know the results.

>

> Things that i tried included diflucan, caprylic acid, and lately, humaworm

(www.humaworm.com), which is a herbal antiparasitic and anticandidal -it's only

about £21-22 for a months supply incl postage).

>

> Also the book 'the stress effect' is good as it pays attention to our gut and

make sure we've not got other problems there too like inflammation from diet, as

that can cause a lot of problems too. if there is a lot of gut inflammation

then the body has to use cortisol to suppress it, meaning this could exhaust our

adrenals too.

>

>

> chris

>

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> > What is "die off"???

Hi Ian,

"die off" is the reaction you get when the toxins in your body are being killed off. It also goes by the name of "Herxheimer" reaction.... http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/herxheimer.html - so it's gets worse before it gets better

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> I tested negative for the Genova Test(and am male, 30) , Ian, but my symptoms

fitted and i got very bad die off when i took the anti candidal things

(diflucan, caprylic acid); i don't think it was a bad reaction to the

anticandidals, since the die off got progressively 'better' (ie less bad) with

time.

>

>What are the symptoms od 'die off' please? I have just started regime to rid

me of candida. I have had several serious urine infections and all the doc

offers is broad spec antibiotics and culture growth which never reveals

anything!

Thanks

Isabel

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Thank you

Interesting!! I had no idea.

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> > What is " die off " ???

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> Hi Ian,

>

> " die off " is the reaction you get when the toxins in your body are being

> killed off. It also goes by the name of " Herxheimer " reaction....

> http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/herxheimer.html

> <http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/herxheimer.html> - so it's gets

> worse before it gets better [:-s]

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Hello Ian

Die off is where all the candida toxins get released when candida is dieing.

When treating candida, I felt very low like i had the flu or something and low

mentally - pretty depressed.

> So you're a 30 yo Male, can I ask what your Symptoms were/are?

Bit similar to yours really:

>- My big toe nails are horrible. brown & brittle, they grow in &

>I have to remove them completely (just the big toes btw)

Mine aren't that bad but have had fungal nail infection in two smallest toes on

either foot for about 12 years, and this coincides with about the same time that

i develeped what you call 'jock rash' (treated this with canesten but it comes

back many times). Hadn't thought that they developed about the same time until

now.

>- years of fatigue & depression (that could be other reasons)

I had this too. Also crave sugar a lot and in the past when i had eaten sugar

or carbs, it was not unusual for me to feel properly drunk, when of course i'd

not had any alcohol.

To be honest i've not followed up the candida thing much since fighting it and

taking diflucan and so on didn't make too much difference. Perhaps i wasn't

strict enough on it.

I am currently taking Humaworm though which is supposed to help with candida

too. It may be worth a visit to the curezone forum to ask the Humaworm owner

his thoughts on candida etc: http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=757 - he's

helpful

> I'm really interested in this now. My Mrs & 10yo son both have terrible Sinus

problems. It seems they produce snot 24/7. Both bad mouth breathers, which

doesn't help their situation.

People on the curezone forum have talked about this but i didn't pay much

attention as i don't have this issue. have your wife and son got problems with

dairy or other allergies/intolerances? that would be the first thing i'd

consider.

There are also a couple of books on the subject:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Candida-Albicans-Non-drug-Treatment-Infection/dp/0007152\

957/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1255111658 & sr=8-4 - which as it suggests is

a non drug approach to candida!

and this one:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Yeast-Connection-Medical-Breakthrough/dp/0394747003/ref=\

sr_1_2?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1255111699 & sr=1-2

i read one edition of this book and it seemed a bit basic at times but still

interesting, if i remember rightly the author favours nystatin, which you can

get from online pharmacies, i think. Oh in that book there is also a story

about auto intoxication, which i believe is a genuine medical condition related

to candida (it soudns similar to what i had when i ate too much sugar).

Dr P I believe suggests diflucan once weekly for three weeks, combined with a

natural anti candidal.

Let me know how you get on? I think if you get die off it's a sign that you

have too much candida (or else you're intolerant to the drug or supplement,

perhaps?). Also i read on here once that someone felt they got less die off on

the 'cheap' diflucan than they did from the more expensive branded ones. I know

the drugs should all be the same but maybe they're not? If you go a google

shopping search for ' Fluconazole' you can find 'canesten' capsules for £4.99

instead of £9.99. I have tried different brands and did get differing die off

reactions, however, this could well be because as time went on i had less things

to die off?

Also you could check out the finchley clinic

http://www.thefinchleyclinic.com/shop/ as they have a lot of anti candidal

products. I mailed them once and they did not approve of my using HC or

diflucan - they recommend herbal products etc and licorice for adrenal issues, i

believe. There are some guides on there site too on how to treat candida and

more about it. May be of interest to you?

Hope this helps?

Chris

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Ian

Also, some say that molybdenum is important when treating candida:

http://www.mall-net.com/cooter/moly.html

http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/Molybdenum%20for%20Candida%20albicans%20P\

atients.pdf

You can get molybdenum in drops or in tablets - i have tried it on and off and

not noticed any great difference with it but i wasn't very consistent with it.

Chris

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The assistant, who is also dealing with candida, at my local wholefood store

told me (last Crimbo) that if she indulges in the demon alcohol that she

restricts herself to something like a gin and tonic or vodka and soda with leom

or lime as she says there is less sugar in these drinks and yeast and so less

likely to set off a reaction.

Well fine in theory I suppose but I cannot see a gin and tonic going very well

with a meal...

So lots of water. I do m ake my own kefir so extra of that. And what about

antifungals ? Is there any point in taking some oregano or suchlike for

a few days afterwards or would the probiotics do the job on their own do you

think?

Thanks for sharing your guilty secrets with me

Mo

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> If you do endulge, make sure you also drink lots of water and take extra

> probiotics.

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> All the best,

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Thanks very much Chris! loads of info to go at there.

We atarted on Bicab Soda yesterday. Not sure my Mrs will keep that up, it made

her feel sick.

I will absorb all the info form your post, thanks!

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> Hello Ian

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> Die off is where all the candida toxins get released when candida is dieing.

When treating candida, I felt very low like i had the flu or something and low

mentally - pretty depressed.

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Hi Ian, The large scalloped tongue is a classic hypo symptom- called piecrust tongue. Now i'm well i still have a largish tongue but the scalloping has gone as it no longer presses against my teeth. But the other things do sound very fungal. To get your toenails right will take months for it all to grow out- persistance is the key- go have a chat with your local pharmacist. Maybe adding bicarb to your bathwater will help with the external problems! > thyroid treatment > From: ian.kay1@...> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:39:01 +0000> Subject: Re: How common is Candida in Men? & what is the most effective Cure???> > Thank you for taking the time !> > Well, the answer to your question : > "Assuming you have done your home work and positively identified that you suffer from systemic Candida"> > Is No. I am new to discovering I have Thyroid issues & only just heard of Candida. All I know is :> > - My big toe nails are horrible. brown & brittle, they grow in & I have to remove them completely (just the big toes btw)> > - Athletes foot since teens + constant fight against "jock rash"> > > Thanks again!> ian > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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Thank you

When you say " Scalloped " , are you talking about the shape of the tongue or

Lesions? I have these patches/lesions, where the nodules are missing. They

were very red & raw when it first appeared. now it's calmed down, but still

have these smooth patches.

Thanks again

Ian

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> Hi Ian,

> The large scalloped tongue is a classic hypo symptom- called

piecrust tongue. Now i'm well i still have a largish tongue but the scalloping

has gone as it no longer presses against my teeth. But the other things do sound

very fungal. To get your toenails right will take months for it all to grow out-

persistance is the key- go have a chat with your local pharmacist. Maybe adding

bicarb to your bathwater will help with the external problems!

>

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http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1118223

Luv - Sheila

When you say " Scalloped " , are you talking about the shape of the

tongue or Lesions? I have these patches/lesions, where the nodules are missing.

They were very red & raw when it first appeared. now it's calmed down, but

still have these smooth patches.

Thanks again

Ian

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Hi Ian, No lesions just the shape-a frilled edge where the teeth leave their imprints on the edge of the tongue. > thyroid treatment > From: ian.kay1@...> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:57:56 +0000> Subject: Re: How common is Candida in Men? & what is the most effective Cure???> > Thank you > > When you say "Scalloped", are you talking about the shape of the tongue or Lesions? I have these patches/lesions, where the nodules are missing. They were very red & raw when it first appeared. now it's calmed down, but still have these smooth patches.> > > Thanks again> Ian> > > > >> > > > Hi Ian,> > The large scalloped tongue is a classic hypo symptom- called piecrust tongue. Now i'm well i still have a largish tongue but the scalloping has gone as it no longer presses against my teeth. But the other things do sound very fungal. To get your toenails right will take months for it all to grow out- persistance is the key- go have a chat with your local pharmacist. Maybe adding bicarb to your bathwater will help with the external problems!> > > > > [Edit Abbrev Mod]> > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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Thanks very much Sheila

Certainly looks like Candida could be the culprit.

It's amazing & scary that both my GP & the " specialsists " at the hospital came

up with nothing!

Thanks again!

ian

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> When you say " Scalloped " , are you talking about the shape of the tongue or

> Lesions? I have these patches/lesions, where the nodules are missing. They

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Hi Mo,

***The assistant, who is also dealing with candida, at my local wholefood store

told me (last Crimbo) that if she indulges in the demon alcohol that sherestricts herself to something like a gin and tonic or vodka and soda with leomor lime as she says there is less sugar in these drinks and yeast and so lesslikely to set off a reaction.

She has got a point IMHO. Still not good, but it may be a 'way out' for those Christmas parties....

***So lots of water. I do m ake my own kefir so extra of that. And what aboutantifungals ? Is there any point in taking some oregano or suchlike fora few days afterwards or would the probiotics do the job on their own do youthink?

Well... I'm no expert, but as I see it, the more natural antifungals the better - oregano, olive oil, garlic etc. ...it all helps. When it comes to synthetic antifungals like fluconazole etc. you have to use common sense. I do use fluconazole, but I use it in the way Dr. Peatfield recommends - 3 weekly applications in a row, then I give my body several months to recover from that. Then I do it again. - I use the Bicarbonade of soda too - but I can only tolerate 1/2 teaspoon in hot water, any more and I feel queasy. After about 2 weeks on bicarbonate I start gagging just at the thought of it - I need a break. I also use ThreeLac.... but only 1 sachet a day, because of cost. If I could afford it, I would use 3-4 times that, and probably would not need anything else at all. It is very good stuff IMO, but terribly expensive in the long run. I've been taking it for the past 5 or 6 years ... and it does add up!

***Thanks for sharing your guilty secrets with me

you're welcome ;o) - and I'll share one more secret, although I would want everyone to make up his or her own mind about the validity of the following. This is not a "wonder drug", but I have found it to help me considerably at the time - and I would consider using it again.

http://www.geocities.com:80/HotSprings/4966/index.html

Several years back I followed Tripp's treatment plan to the letter, and found it very hard going, but with excellent results. It was just as she says - I got the candida under control, lost quite a bit of weight in the process and felt very healthy.... (that was AFTER I got over the initial cravings, which were horrendous). I took those Thorne's SF 722 caps, found that they also helped with my IBS, which was a bonus, and it must have killed off the candida too, because I felt really good.... - and then I fell into the trap of thinking I was cured. After about 6 months or so, I gradually started eating 'normal' things again. I wasn't overdoing things the way I had before, but it was enough to make me relapse. My timing was lousy. It coincided with the start of the menopause, horrendous hot flushes day and night, malfunctioning thyroid (although I did not know that back then), emotional stress.... - to make a long story short, I felt too weak and depressed to do it all over again. I let things slip, and the beast reared its ugly head again with a vengeance.

When I did the salivary Candida test nearly 3 years ago, the autoantibody results came back at >150 ... off the scale (the ref range is < 10). So I am under no illusions that I will have to "be sensible" for the rest of my life, if I want to stay on top of things. I don't believe that a "cure" is possible in my case, but I feel now more or less 'in control', which is probably the best I can hope for myself.

Please have a thorough read through 's website. The advantage is that it is not expensive to follow this program, and in my view it can only help. But please do make up your own minds.

I would however, be very interested to hear what Bob or other chemically minded members have to say about the ingredients of SF 722 caps from a biochemical point of view... Can undecenoic acid, derived from Caster bean oil, kill Candida?

Have a good weekend,

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They're not trained - bless em!

Luv - Sheila

Certainly looks like Candida could be the culprit.

It's amazing & scary that both my GP & the " specialsists " at

the hospital came up with nothing!

Thanks again!

ian

>

> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1118223

>

>

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

>

>

>

> When you say " Scalloped " , are you talking about the shape of the

tongue or

> Lesions? I have these patches/lesions, where the nodules are missing. They

> were very red & raw when it first appeared. now it's calmed down, but

still

> have these smooth patches.

>

> Thanks again

> Ian

>

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I use the Bicarbonade of soda too - but I can only tolerate 1/2 teaspoon in hot

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Well that explains something. My Mrs felt sick yesterday with one heaped

teaspoon. I must admit that I felt a bit queasy too. I also admit to having 2

heaped teaspoons (I'm like that. I like to get there quicker).

Another thing we noticed (how shall I phrase this, in mind of the fact it's

mostly ladies here), it certainly loosened things up. I won't be inviting my

lad to " pull-me-finger " whilst on this stuff.