Re: Would cambridge diet knacker my adrenals?

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris

I dont know how this diet would affect adrenals but I would guess that it will be a stressor so likely to affect them adversely. Why not do something a bit more gentle such as slimming world or low GI - SW is available on line, you dont go to a class and add in some sort of exercise if possible. I have known a couple of women who have done the Cambridge and it was very effective though I think its hard to get back to eating normally as it must alter metabolism with a calorie intake so low

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have tried most of these. only possible one is electrolytes and testosterone.

can't afford to get these done right now. no way GP will do them.

can maybe get electrolytes done via Red Apple and Testosterone done via genova,

just can't afford it right now.

thank you

chris

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> The question needs to be why can't you tolerate T3? Healthy people have nice

levels of T3 so it not something you should be unable to tolerate. T3 is as

natural to the body as oxygen.

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> Have you looked at?

> Adrenals

> Ferritin

> B12

> Sex hormones

> Electrolytes

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testosterone wont help with t3

neither will electrolytes

id be more inclined to look elsewhere as to why...

low carb diet will place more demand on adrenals to support blood sugar so if

anything a low gi diet would be advisable with a constant supply of slow burning

carbs throughout the day

bodybuilders take 100mcg t3 and loose weight...then once they come off they put

it back on again..so i wouldnt look for fat loss directly from a thyroid med

id be inclined to get the endocrie system in check before going on a harsh diet

as it will no doubt set you back...

by the way the gp sounds pants..get a new one mate

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> Now, how and why did I get it into my head that I had posted a Reverse T3

> questionnaire. obviously, I never did, the third questionnaire there is

> about Magnesium. I am not even sure that there is a Reverse T3 questionnaire

> anywhere about, but if somebody can find one, please let me know. Thanks for

> pointing this out Lilian.

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> Luv - Sheila

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> I couldn't find the RT3 questionnaire.

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> Lilian

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> then do the adrenal, candida and rT3 questionnaires in our files. You will

> find them under the FOLDER entitled 'Medical Questionnaires'.

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Thanks

> neither will electrolytes

i read that low K does affect thyroid uptake?

> id be more inclined to look elsewhere as to why...

where like though?

> bodybuilders take 100mcg t3 and loose weight...then once they come off they

put it back on again..so i wouldnt look for fat loss directly from a thyroid med

point is though, they *can* tolerate it in the first place. why can they? why

can't i?

> id be inclined to get the endocrie system in check before going on a harsh

diet as it will no doubt set you back...

dunno how to do this unforutnatly...

[Guest guest]

b12 was ok - 390 - bit lowish and am supplementing but doubt this would affect

t3 uptake.

vit d3 - no, dr won't do it. have supplemented, no difference.

ferritin - 115

adrenals - yes, low, but have been as high as 40mg HC, no difference in fact

much worse.

copper, zinc, have supplemented these - no difference

synthetic t3 - seems to make things much worse.

Naturethroid - didn't seem to give me much affect.

Old armour - think this was more potent for me than naturethroid. have read

that synthetic t3 is uptake in the brain 3x more easily (think Dr Lowe said

this).

candida - 'passed ' the saliva test (ie negative) but i do not take taht as

conclusive and tried treating candida anyway and got a very big die off feeling.

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other things: gluten intolerance? DHA deficiency, other essential fatty acid

deficiency?

" DHA modifies all cell membranes and improves the cells ability to accept

hormone signals, including insulin and thyroid hormones. "

http://www.yourmenopausetype.com/protocols/obesity.html

" Improve T3 receptor binding. The cell nuclear receptors interact with vitamin

A, conjugated linoleic acid (CLA), and the omega-3 fats, EPA and DHA. Rosemary

extract has found to potentiate the effects on vitamin D. Zinc in the form of

zinc glycinate promotes proper thyroid function through its role as a cofactor

for the thyroid receptor of the cell nucleus. Grass-fed free-range beef is a

good food source of CLA. Krill oil or fish oils are high in EPA and DHA. Fatty

fish like salmon have significant EPA and

DHA. " http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Healthy_Maternal_Thyroid_Function_For_A_\

Healthy_Baby.html+

Have ordered the book from Amazon called:

" Why Do I Still Have Thyroid Symptoms? When My Lab Tests Are Normal: A

Revolutionary Breakthrough in Understanding Hashimoto's Disease and Hypothyroidi

"

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Still-Thyroid-Symptoms-Tests-Normal/dp/1600376703/ref=sr\

_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1262889116 & sr=1-1

Only real hopes i can think of right now:

Fatty acid deficiency

gluten problems?

too much HC causing RT3? (everyone seems to dispute this one but it's my theory

which i have wondered about).

who knows?

Thanks

Chris

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> you say " have tried most of these " . Do you mean you were tested and

> found to be low in the reference range, or do you mean you bought the

> supplements in case you were low, took them and felt no difference. This

> really is important.

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>> This is the question I too ask. WHY can't you tolerate any T3 whatsoever.

Sheila, if only i knew!!!

Candida - possibly a problem, it's hard to know really for sure, since books

i've read by doctors have not placed much value on tests (see previous message

reply).

Mercury - had 3 amalgams taken out end of 2002. probs got much worse summer 2003

but that was after much much stress. hair tests show acceptable levels of

mercury - underneath the range to be concerned about (tho of course i'd sooner

it was zero).

I have one root filling - perhaps that's got mercury in it? Should i have that

out?

no idea about Magnesium - i supplement most days with it.

Possibly potassium could be low. on ithyroid.com the owner did talk about

potassium affecting thryoid uptake i believe.

b12 ok (low ok but have been taking methyl-b12 for about a month or so now),

folate ok.

selenium - haven 't regularly been taking this, no. have started recently.

But, i can it seems convert t4 to t3 ok and i gather this is the main function

of selenium? Though i read that it can also affect people by making them

convert too quickly too?

I have read several times each Dr Peatfield's book, Dr Langer's book, and spent

so much time researching all this trying to find out the 'answer'. I have read

Dr Peatfields guidelines he gives out when he sees a patient many times too (the

8 page leaflet). i have read y everything i have many times trying to work it

out.

Perahps the answer is not thyroid, perhaps it is another hormone such as

testosterone, but have had these problems a long time and also, when i first

took Armour (1/2 a grain) it made me feel very well, i was on 2.5mg hc at the

time x2 a day then i put up armour to 1 gr and the hc to 2x5mg a day and that

was it, i lost all ability to toelrate armour and felt dreadful, very anxious.

hence why i wondered " could too much HC be causing an RT3 issue - that RT3

blocking the T3 receptors and thus causing intolerance? "

who knows....

Chris

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> This is the question I too ask. WHY can't you tolerate any T3 whatsoever.

> Have you tried both the synthetic and the natural thyroid extract. What

> medications were you taking at that time. Add to Lynn's list below the

> associated conditions that go along with being hypothyroid systemic

> candidiasis, low vitamin D3, low magnesium, zinc, copper and folate, mercury

> poisoning caused by amalgam fillings. Never ever assume that these are OK.

> Are you taking 200mcgs Selenium every day with food - if not, you must start

> to do this now. Selenium is one of the most important elements to take if

> you are suffering from the symptoms of hypothyroidism. You must never assume

> that this or that might be your problem, and start supplementing in case yo

[Guest guest]

In a letter to me (in response to my letter to him to update him of my

situation), my practitioner suggested my (poor) response to T3 and high T3

levels could indicate a T3 resistance issue.

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> This is the question I too ask. WHY can't you tolerate any T3 whatsoever.

[Guest guest]

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> testosterone wont help with t3

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That wasn't my point for testing it. some authors suggest that low testosterone

can be a cause of low basal temp. Ross said this in 'the mood cure'

[Guest guest]

thanks i've been on RT3; there cure is to take T3 only - there is no way in a

million years i could ever do that, and certainly not at the doses they

advocate. my personal opinion is that i'm not sold on the RT3 theory. that is

*my* opinion - don't want to get into debates about it or anything as has

happened before; if it works for some people, then great, but it's not for me.

i may have rt3 due to " receptor resistance " or as a result of nutrient

deficiency making thyroid unusuble, but i'm not sold on the idea of RT3 in and

of itself being the cause of *my* problems. thanks though.

Iodine/iodoral helped me a bit in the summer - thanks for reminding me, i have

some somewhere.

i'll take a look at the site, thanks

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> - have a look at the RT3 group () and as them the questions a

> lot of the people there have been helped.

[Guest guest]

Hi Have a look at the files and see the diet suggested by one of our advisors Dr. Mantouzani. Cambridge diet does sound too harsh for someone already ill. > Subject: Would cambridge diet knacker my adrenals?> > Hello> > > I am thinking of trying cambridge diet - 550 cals day. but i have a suspicion this would knacker my metabolism/adrenals more; it is a ketogenic diet.> > > Throat thing is getting worse i think so need to take dramatic action.> > any thoughts?> > Thanks> > Chris> > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

That GP sounds cruel, Lilian. Why couldn't he just tell you " no, sorry, i don't

approve " and not charge you £30? That's very bad. wicked behaviour.

I have heard about lighter life before, i am holding fire on what to do at the

moment. i should get the book from amazon later about what to do if your tests

are normal but still have symptoms - perhaps this 'll help, i think it talks

about gut issues in there too tho think some is aimed at hashi's patients. it's

this sleep apnea/throat thing that's the worst though, it seems to be getting

worse.

thanks

chris

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ive had high testosterone and was on 80mcg t3 and still had a basal temp of 36.3

basal temps are very misleading in my opinion...

its worth at least getting a test to rule out tho

i suppose most bodybuilders or athletes dont have any other health issues

causing them not to tolerate t3....i for one cant tolerate it anymore but about

a year ago i could tolerate ALOT...

you know my personal views on why but thts a whole nother can of worms...

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> That wasn't my point for testing it. some authors suggest that low

testosterone can be a cause of low basal temp. Ross said this in 'the

mood cure'

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[Guest guest]

Ok Dan, thank you

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> ive had high testosterone and was on 80mcg t3 and still had a basal temp of

36.3

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> basal temps are very misleading in my opinion...

[Guest guest]

sort of thinking out loud ...do you have low cortisol ...just found in my

notes that low cortisol numbers will reduce the number of T3 Receptors ...would

that play in to why you can't tolerate T3 perhaps?

Trish

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> Thanks

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> > neither will electrolytes

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> i read that low K does affect thyroid uptake?

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> > id be more inclined to look elsewhere as to why...

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> where like though?

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> > bodybuilders take 100mcg t3 and loose weight...then once they come off they

put it back on again..so i wouldnt look for fat loss directly from a thyroid med

>

> point is though, they *can* tolerate it in the first place. why can they? why

can't i?

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> > id be inclined to get the endocrie system in check before going on a harsh

diet as it will no doubt set you back...

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> dunno how to do this unforutnatly...

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[Guest guest]

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> > basal temps are very misleading in my opinion...

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Hi I am interest in your opinion of basal temps being very misleading? Would you

mind expanding? thanks Isabel

[Guest guest]

I've spent the evening reading the book I ordered from Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Still-Thyroid-Symptoms-Tests-Normal/dp/1600376703

it has a lot of useful information in it, and has given me 2 avenues to explore

as these most fit my situation:

a) possible insulin resistance causing problems

*excess* cortisol has caused thyroid receptor insensitivity.

is interesting - it's contrary to what most people say about cortisol being

needed for thyroid uptake, though the author is talking about 'excess' levels.

it kind of fits though as time has gone on while i've been on HC i've become

less and less thyroid tolerant-perhaps over the last near year my adrenals have

slowly come back? also, when i first was on HC, i was on 2.5mg x 2 a day and

then tried Armour and felt really well. i then put up the HC to 5mg and that was

it i could no longer tolerate it really and it all went downhill from there.

scenario also ties in with what i've observed in some other people, namely

that a good proportion of those who can tolerate T3 containing products are not

on HC; they may be on nutri-adrenal etc, but they are not on HC. now i'm sure

i'll get posts to the contrary with people who are on q high dose HC with T3 and

can take it fine, but it does seem to me that at least some people who can

tolerate t3 are not on 'steroids'. Coincidence? Dan mentioned he could take

much T3 last year, but has lost that abiilty since taking pred (correct me if

i'm wrong Dan) - could '' explain this in myself and others?

just a thought, i'm going to try my hardest to get insulin levels under better

control and lose weight. need to sort my diet out, hope HC does not affect

weight loss.

Chris

[Guest guest]

well i for one have personally got 5 people who have no thyodi or adrenal

problems to do basal temps and most of em came back low.

my freind who is an athlete was 36.1 in the am and 36.7at night(AFTER A

WORKOUT)-his TSH(1.2) oand ft4(19) were euthyroid

my mum was 36 and shes euthyroid and hass no adrenal probs

my brother 36.3 in am and has similar labs to my frend as above

sister 36.2 36.5 pm

other freind 36.3 am 36.6 pm

either all these people are hypothyoid/hypoadrenal or the temp thingy is

flawed....btw they all live healthy energetic lifestsyles and dusplay no

symptoms of thyroid/adrenal issues

also did bp study on them all but thats more for the adrenals