Re: Re: Helibactor Pylori alternative treatment?

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Hi Ian,

Keep us posted how you get on with MMS,I would be interested to know how it works for you,as it sounds like a miracle.

Best wishes Sharon

From: Ian <ian.kay1@...>Subject: Re: Helibactor Pylori alternative treatment?thyroid treatment Date: Thursday, April 1, 2010, 3:08 PM

I've just started using MMS 2 days agohttp://www.phhealth .co.uk/content/ miracle-mineral- solution- mmshttp://www.youtube. com/watch? v=u0Q7FIsFTyQ>> Hi,> I've just tested positive with Helibactor Pylori for the 2nd time in acouple of years. The 1st time I refused the triple therapy (antibiotics & ant-acids) & spent over £200 on supplements under a nutritionist.>> This time I can't afford to spend same amount &

am too run down togive it more time so am in the middle of triple therapy at present.>> However, I notice there's been a recent discussion about H.Pylori onthe forum & wonder if anyone has experience of successfully eradicatingH.P. using natural remedies?>> Joanna>

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Hi Ian - you really do appear to go through life like a bull in

a china shop without looking into the possible consequences of your actions.

Your impatience to get yourself well is putting you through so much bodily

distress and terrible suffering. You are supposed to be trying to kill off the

pathogens, not yourself. How much weight have you lost during this terrible

episode.  I would say your wife is still lucky to have you around the way you

plunge yourself into trying out various treatments that you think might provide

the answer you are looking for.

Please read the following and understand the reasons behind such

a treatment protocol:

What is the Normal MMS Protocol http://phaelosopher.wordpress.com/2007/09/09/no-miracle-just-wonderful-chemistry/

Note: When following the instructions below,

keep this paragraph in mind. Always activate the MMS drops with one of the food

acids, either lemon juice drops, or lime juice drops, or citric acid solution

drops (to make citric acid solution add 1 level tablespoon of citric acid and 9

tablespoons of water. Store it in a bottle with a lid.) Always use 5 drops of

one of these food acids to each one drop of MMS, mix in a empty dry glass and

wait at least 3 minutes, then add 1/3 to 2/3 glass of water or juice and drink.

(You can expand the 3 minutes out to 10 minutes, and after adding the juice or

water you can wait up to an hour before drinking.)

All protocol for taking MMS in the

Americas starts with one or two drops. Never start with more than one

or two drops. People who are very sick and/or sensitive should start

with ½ drop. Activate the drops as given above.

If you do OK and do not notice

nausea on the first dose, increase by one drop for the second dose. If you

notice nausea reduce the amount of MMS for the next dose. Do two doses a

day, one in the morning and one in the evening. Continue to increase by

one drop each time you take a new dose. When you notice nausea, reduce the

dose by one drop, or bad diarrhea reduce by 2 or 3 drops. Usually reduce

for one or two times before going back the amount that it took to make you

nauseous. Note: If you notice diarrhea, or even vomiting that is

not a bad sign. The body is simply throwing off poisons and cleaning

itself out. Everyone says that they feel much better after the diarrhea.

You do not have to take any medicine for the diarrhea. It will go away as

fast as it came. It will not last. It is not real diarrhea as the body is

just cleaning out, and it is not caused by bacteria or virus. When the

poison is gone, the diarrhea is gone.

Continue to follow the procedure

given in 2 above. Until you reach 15 drops twice a day without nausea. At

that point increase to 3 times a day. Stay at 3 times a day for at least

one week and then reduce the drops to 4 to 6 drops a day for older people

and 4 to 6 drops twice a week for younger people.

Note: Once you have completed step 3 above

most of the viral, bacteria, mold, and yeast load will be gone from your body.

Your body will be clean. You no longer have to worry about feeding the

microorganism load. You can base you diet on nutrition, rather than not feeding

the load. The diabetes will be gone, thus you no longer need to worry about

sugar. You won’t have to worry about the pancreas over reacting thus

giving you a shock of insulin. Instead it will give you just enough insulin to

knock the blood sugar lever to the right level (You won’t feel sleepy

after eating a candy bar). Your body will then be able to easily adsorb

vitamins and minerals and many other nutrients it might have been missing up to

this time. You should feel better as time goes by. Do not quit taking the MMS.

Had

an interesting time so far with the MMS. Like the nutcase I am, I went

straight in at " maximum dose " of 15 drops. I felt a bit rough

& got almost instant diarrhoea. I read that was a sign of a big

die-off & a signal from the Liver that it couldn't cope etc…, which I

took as a good sign, " this must be working " etc…

On

that basis, the following morning I took 30 drops… I know… I do

these things so you don't have to…… if what Jim Humble claims

is true, then I had a LOT of nasty Pathogens on board, because for 14 solid

hours I had diarrhoea in Biblical proportions!!!! Like every 3 minutes

& like a Karcher washer each time. also had one bout of severe Nausea

& recreated the scene from the Exorcist. I definitely wouldn't advise

this. My missus had just 5 drops & had severe stomach cramps for 2

days!

The

following day, I dropped back to 15 drops (which I had tolerated on day one)

& must have had some residual nausea, because I had a further day of

NASA-esque diarrhoea.

Today,

I've had 3 lots of 6 drops & have been absolutely fine.

I'm

looking forward to seeing some results.

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Hi Ian,

Whoah and ouch! Did all that "die off" not make you feel completely run down? Its amazing to think that an amount of drops of a substance can have that effect on the body,its not as if you was drinking pints of the stuff! Its also amazing that you had enough "matter" in your bowel to get rid of! I would have felt like i'd been kicked by a mule too.I would love to try MMS,but think it may be unwise at the moment,as I'm not on any thyroid meds at the moment. I have very low cortisol levels and am not on any adrenal treatment at the moment,so I probably need to start sorting these out first.As I have an awful memory,does MMS treat candida too? Keep up the good work and keep us posted as to how its going. Thanks.

Best wishes sharon

From: Ian <ian.kay1@...>Subject: Re: Helibactor Pylori alternative treatment?thyroid treatment Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 7:09 PM

Had an interesting time so far with the MMS. Like the nutcase I am, I went straight in at "maximum dose" of 15 drops. I felt a bit rough & got almost instant diarrhoea. I read that was a sign of a big die-off & a signal from the Liver that it couldn't cope etc…, which I took as a good sign, "this must be working" etc…

[Guest guest]

Hi Ian,

Thanks for that Im gonna get some and dose myself up! Though maybe not as full throttle as you! I wonder,as all parts of our body is supposed to be syncronised,if getting rid of all the rubbish that you have, your body may function better and be more responsive to treatments.Just a thought and one that we will find out! Do you take meds for your low cortisol and hypo?

Best wishes sharon

From: Ian <ian.kay1@...>Subject: Re: Helibactor Pylori alternative treatment?thyroid treatment Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 8:25 AM

Hi SharonI actually feel great! Yes, I can't believe where all that came from.Yes, MMS does kill Candida, it kills all Pathogens, Anaerobic bacteria, Yeast, Fungus etc..I have extremely Low Cortisol too, so don't worry. If I can survive 30 drops, I'm sure you can kick off the protocol on one!!!Here's where I bought mine :http://www.phhealth .co.uk/content/ miracle-mineral- solution- mms?gclid= CN6ozdWm46ACFVOZ 2AodDQLfDQGood luck!

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Hi Ian,

Im looking forward to starting MMS and hope it gets rid of all unmetionables and makes me feel better too.I think I've had a candida problem since childhood,probably due to the surplus amounts of antibiotics given like sweets and abuse from my father that made me eat lots of rubbish. I also had a duodenal ulcer at 18 and have never been right in my stomach since and it would feel like a miracle to me to feel some sort of normality somewhere in my body!

Oh to never have to see a GP again! Maybe if I manage to lose any of this excess 8 stone I'll go and visit my GP in a few years and see if he recognises me! Thanks.

Best wishes sharon

From: Ian <ian.kay1@...>Subject: Re: Helibactor Pylori alternative treatment?thyroid treatment Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 3:39 PM

Hi SharonI take daily Testosterone & have B12 injections. I started taking HC, but stopped. I've never had Thyroid issues confirmed, except for a general blood test showing TSH at 3.87 miu/L. When I tried taking Thyrid-S, I instantly got horrendous dark saggy bags round my eyes! I was told that was due to my low adrenals.

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Forgot to ask Ian,why did you stop taking HC and what do you take now for your adrenals?

Best wishes sharon

From: Ian <ian.kay1@...>Subject: Re: Helibactor Pylori alternative treatment?thyroid treatment Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 3:39 PM

Hi SharonI take daily Testosterone & have B12 injections. I started taking HC, but stopped. I've never had Thyroid issues confirmed, except for a general blood test showing TSH at 3.87 miu/L. When I tried taking Thyrid-S, I instantly got horrendous dark saggy bags round my eyes! I was told that was due to my low adrenals.

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Wow Ian,I feel nackered,you must be horizontal! LOL! What are you taking?

Best wishes Sharon

From: Ian <ian.kay1@...>Subject: Re: Helibactor Pylori alternative treatment?thyroid treatment Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 4:31 PM

SharonI just checked your Adrenal profile, incase I'd given some dangerous advice. My results from Genova were worse than yours & I'm fine on the MMS. Just don't do 30 drops!!!!!!! ;-)Here are yours with mine in brackets :Sample 1 post awakening 5.2 (5.6)Sample 2 2.2 (1.2)Sample 3 1.4 (0.6) Sample 4 1.1 (0.5) Total daily cortisol 9.9 (7.9)range 21-41 nmol/LDHEA levelsSample 2 [am] 0.58 (0.25)sample 3 [pm] 0.42 (0.32)DHEA: cortisol ratio 5.05 (3.61)

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Me again!

Surely having cortisol levels so low will make your health so much worse.And if you have no cortisol at all,it can kill you,so isnt a life on steroids a better option? And would you have to take them for life,or could you ween off them over time? Does that mean,even though my levels arent as bad as yours,I could end up on steroids for life? Doesnt having such low levels make you feel really ill? Sooo many questions!

Best wishes sharon

From: Ian <ian.kay1@...>Subject: Re: Helibactor Pylori alternative treatment?thyroid treatment Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 7:02 PM

Hi SharonSounds like you could really benefit from this!I only took HC for a couple of weeks, but stopped because I didn't fancy a life on steroids, so prefer to do without them.Good luck!ian

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I remember you mentioned that before but never got round to looking it up.Theres so many things out there to try,its like being a kid in a sweety shop! Ooh which one,which one!

Best wishes sharon

From: <chrisjtaylor46@...>Subject: Re: Helibactor Pylori alternative treatment?thyroid treatment Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 7:29 PM

There's also humaworm you can take, which is good for candida and parasites...chris>> Hi Ian,> Â > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Im looking forward to starting MMS

[Guest guest]

Do you think the MMS might have a good effect on your adrenals then too? I knew someone who had B12 jabs regularly and she said it was like being given a surge of energy and she soon knows when she needs another one!

Best wishes sharon

From: Ian <ian.kay1@...>Subject: Re: Helibactor Pylori alternative treatment?thyroid treatment Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 7:54 PM

2 kids to support. Would be easy to give up & lie in bed, but that's not an option.I'm feeling 100x better since the Testosterone gel, B12 jabs & Iodine. I'm hoping MMS will destroy the underlying cause!>> Wow Ian,I feel nackered,you must be horizontal! LOL! What are you taking?

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I'm buying some today,cant wait to get started!

Best wishes sharon

From: Ian <ian.kay1@...>Subject: Re: Helibactor Pylori alternative treatment?thyroid treatment Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 9:55 AM

I'm looking for possible causes of my multiple deficiencies. H. Pylori can do this, so if I am carrying that & the MMS kills it, then yes, I'm hoping my Adrenals + B12 + Testosterone will recover.At very least, it's a good detox. Do you think the MMS might have a good effect on your adrenals then too? I knew someone who had B12 jabs regularly and she said it was like being given a surge of energy and she soon knows when she needs another one!

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I asked my doctor if I could have a B12 injection more than three monthly and he said no. So, even if I want, or need them, there is no way I can get one if the doctor says no.

The nurse told me that once you get B12 injections (even three monthly) the test results will ALWAYS show you are within range regardless of whether you need more or not.

And, as we all know, within range is within range and you are OK regardless of whether you are low within range or high.

Same thing happened to me with the haemoglobin. Whilst it was below range the hospital consultant kept an eye on me. The minute it went into range (just), I was discharged.

Lilian

Re: Helibactor Pylori alternative treatment?

Hi ValEvery 2 weeks.This is a common story. I strongly advise you speak with the PerniciousAnaemia Society & join their forumhttp://www.pernicious-anaemia-society.org/Good luckIan

[Guest guest]

Hi Ian,

Just ordered some MMS today and am looking forward to starting it! Just wanted to know if all that "expelling" made you lose any weight and how you feel now.I looked a the website on MMS and the dosage,but am quite tempted to take a higher dose than suggested,as I'm worried that I wont feel like I'm "getting rid of" all the bad stuff.When it kills the pathogens etc,where do they go? I dont remember reading what happens when they are killed,as they have to come out surely.

Best wishes sharon

From: Ian <ian.kay1@...>Subject: Re: Helibactor Pylori alternative treatment?thyroid treatment Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 8:25 AM

Hi SharonI actually feel great! Yes, I can't believe where all that came from.Yes, MMS does kill Candida, it kills all Pathogens, Anaerobic bacteria, Yeast, Fungus etc..

[Guest guest]

Hi Ian,

Thanks for that,I cant wait to start I'm so excited I feel like a little kid! Maybe some of my excess 8 stone of blubber might shift! Maybe the reason you are not drinking lager and not eating much is because you are getting rid of the pathogens etc. I've suffered with candida for years and one symptom is food cravings.I think the candida makes you crave the foods it thrives and grows on,at the expense of your health,so if the "baddies" are gone, food choices shouldnt be so negative.Thats my theory,or my hope anyway! Thanks Ian.

Best wishes Sharon

From: Ian <strummer61@...>Subject: Re: Helibactor Pylori alternative treatment?thyroid treatment Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 5:29 PM

Hi SharonBe careful if starting on a higher dose. I started on the full 15 drops & found I could tolerate it, but did feel quite yuk.When I took the 30 drops on day 2, I have never vomited or had diahrealike that in my entire life!!!! Be careful.