chest pains

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Jana....

I understand your urge to run, but it might not be the best for your physical health. I know we are talking emotions here.. .however as an alternative have you considered going to a respite or (oh fuck what are they called....ugh!) um... um.... you know the place where you go to recuperate and rest for a while.. they have a name.... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... convelesant (??) caring facility for awhile - just to have a break from your family and responsibilities there???

I am sure that is not the name I was looking for but I hope you know what I mean... chest pains are not good and being as stressed as you are is not good. You cannot do this alone, so find somewhere where you can be on your own yet looked after.... I'm still trying to think of the damn name of them... they are like a hospice... with nursing staff etc... but you are private... oh shit.. this is driving me mad!! None of my family can think of the name either... ahhh I hope you know what I mean!

Take care!

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sanitariums?? I don't think we have those any more... I am thinking of

checking into my daughters apartment for a week on the couch =o)

am off to take some antacids..

love ya - heard from Mike btw - he is ok

told him to write you

janalise

At 03:25 PM 5/1/00 +1000, you wrote:

Jana....

I understand your urge to run, but it might not be the best for your

physical health. I know we are talking emotions here.. .however as an

alternative have you considered going to a respite or (oh fuck what are

they called....ugh!) um... um.... you know the place where you go to

recuperate and rest for a while.. they have a name....

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... convelesant (??) caring facility for awhile -

just to have a break from your family and responsibilities there???

I am sure that is not the name I was looking for but I hope you know what

I mean... chest pains are not good and being as stressed as you are is

not good. You cannot do this alone, so find somewhere where you can be on

your own yet looked after.... I'm still trying to think of the damn name

of them... they are like a hospice... with nursing staff etc... but you

are private... oh shit.. this is driving me mad!! None of my family can

think of the name either... ahhh I hope you know what I mean!

Take care!

Love A.

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chest pains

Hi everyone,

Well, I'm back too! Haha Like anyone missed me .... LOL

I have a question: lately I have started having chest pains and I tried to

get in to see a reg. doctor, but everyone was full and would make no

exceptions. I don't have a lot of money, and I don't want to spend

thousands on medical tests to find out I'm having indigestion or heartburn.

I have always been able to eat whatever I wanted without it " kicking back on

me " as my father used to say. I'm 43 now, and never had chest pains either.

They seem to be worse after eating, but takes about an hour to flare up. I

don't have any of the other " common " symptoms of heart attack, like numbness

or tingling. Also, the pain seems to start right in between my breasts, and

ends up radiating to my back on the right hand side! Also, I don't have

them everyday, just once in awhile. If they get more severe, then I will of

course go to the hospital, but I wondered if anyone has had this or knows

what it may be. Thanks a lot,

KAT

[Guest guest]

Why is that?

In a message dated 02/08/2001 11:36:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,

jlambert@... writes:

> Look down at your left pinky finger. In the rear corner, where cuticle

> meets the inside of your finger, on the right side of that fingernail --

> dig a fingernail into that corner when you are having the chest pain. If

> that hurts, it is not a heart attack. If it is numb, go to a doctor

> quickly!

[Guest guest]

Dear Kat,

Sounds like indigestion.

Try taking enzymes with your meals, and some

betaine hydrochloride would help too.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH

chest pains

> Hi everyone,

> Well, I'm back too! Haha Like anyone missed me .... LOL

> I have a question: lately I have started having chest pains and I tried

to

> get in to see a reg. doctor, but everyone was full and would make no

> exceptions. I don't have a lot of money, and I don't want to spend

> thousands on medical tests to find out I'm having indigestion or

heartburn.

> I have always been able to eat whatever I wanted without it " kicking back

on

> me " as my father used to say. I'm 43 now, and never had chest pains

either.

> They seem to be worse after eating, but takes about an hour to flare up.

I

> don't have any of the other " common " symptoms of heart attack, like

numbness

> or tingling. Also, the pain seems to start right in between my breasts,

and

> ends up radiating to my back on the right hand side! Also, I don't have

> them everyday, just once in awhile. If they get more severe, then I will

of

> course go to the hospital, but I wondered if anyone has had this or knows

> what it may be. Thanks a lot,

> KAT

>

>

>

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Kat,

In the front, put your fingertip in the center of the inverted " V " where

your breastbone meets your belly. Move your fingertip 2 inches to the

left on the edge of the left ribcage. Rub hard on the edge of the

ribcage there where it meets your belly. Is this the approximate center

of your pains, or does rubbing the edge of your ribcage " seem " connected

to the pain or does this make the pain feel better? Does it make you

burp, and does burping make the pain any better?

Look down at your left pinky finger. In the rear corner, where cuticle

meets the inside of your finger, on the right side of that fingernail --

dig a fingernail into that corner when you are having the chest pain. If

that hurts, it is not a heart attack. If it is numb, go to a doctor

quickly!

Get back to me with answers to these questions.

jim

Angelkat wrote:

>

> Hi everyone,

> Well, I'm back too! Haha Like anyone missed me .... LOL

> I have a question: lately I have started having chest pains and I tried to

> get in to see a reg. doctor, but everyone was full and would make no

> exceptions. I don't have a lot of money, and I don't want to spend

> thousands on medical tests to find out I'm having indigestion or heartburn.

> I have always been able to eat whatever I wanted without it " kicking back on

> me " as my father used to say. I'm 43 now, and never had chest pains either.

> They seem to be worse after eating, but takes about an hour to flare up. I

> don't have any of the other " common " symptoms of heart attack, like numbness

> or tingling. Also, the pain seems to start right in between my breasts, and

> ends up radiating to my back on the right hand side! Also, I don't have

> them everyday, just once in awhile. If they get more severe, then I will of

> course go to the hospital, but I wondered if anyone has had this or knows

> what it may be. Thanks a lot,

> KAT

-----

carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert

jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

http://www.entrance.to/poetry

[Guest guest]

Dear Kat,

If you even suspect heart, always carry some cayenne pepper with you, which

reputedly can stop a heart attack in progress.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH

chest pains/Dr. Bormann and Lana

> Dear Dr. B and lana,

> Thanks a lot for your help. Lana: I'm not taking any codeine... Dr. B:

I

> asked this list first, becuz I guess I respect the opinions of these

> alternative health people and trust them more than most doctors I've seen.

> I am taking your advice very seriously and I promise if I think it's truly

> my heart, I will rush to the ER no matter what the cost. I was reading a

> lot of information this evening on the internet, and I was thinking that

it

> could very possibly be my gallbladder. Your description is exactly the

same

> as what I read, pain seems to radiate to the shoulder blade area. The

other

> night, my husband massaged that area when it starting hurting, and it

helped

> a bit. The pain is hard to describe, not as painful as a kidney stone

> (anyone who has had a K.S. attack knows what I'm talking about!!!) but it

> still hurts pretty badly. I know now, that some gallbladder attacks,

> indigestion, and heartburn are hard to discern from a mild heart attack.

> The people I know who have had a severe heart attack and who have survived

> say that there is no comparison. The only thing I can say from real

> experience is this: I was driving by a shopping center here where I live

> and I saw a man staggering out of a restaurant gripping his chest, and he

> fell to the ground. I parked immediately and ran over to him. He was

> already unconscious. His brother had run after him, and I sat with him on

> the back of a pickup tail gate and tried to comfort him. All he kept

saying

> was " We were eating and my brother was complaining about having

> indigestion " . I thought it was just indigestion " . The poor man was

weeping

> uncontrollably. His brother was convinced that that was the problem so

they

> kept on with their meal, until his brother got up and went outside. After

> talking with his brother while the ambulance came, I asked him his name.

> The next day I called the hospital to check on his brother. He had passed

> away.... Point of this story being, I got the message that you gave me

and

> I will be careful !

> KAT

>

>

>

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

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[Guest guest]

Kat,

Could be a subluxated rib or thoracic spine. Is it worse on inhalation? If

so, go to a chiropractor.

Could be esophageal irritation due to reflux. Answer is to treat the

digestion, first with healing substances, then with digestive aids.

Either way, a chiropractor who also practices nutrition should be able to help

you.

jp

Also, the pain seems to start right in between my breasts, and

ends up radiating to my back on the right hand side! Also, I don't have

them everyday, just once in awhile. If they get more severe, then I will of

course go to the hospital, but I wondered if anyone has had this or knows

what it may be. Thanks a lot,

KAT

[Guest guest]

Wong,

In acupuncture/acupressure, the inner, rear corner of the pinky

fingernails is the end of the heart meridian on each side. Since the

heart is on the left, the left hand is considered more significant. When

a person is having heart trouble, especially a heart atack, that point

will be numb, and the person will not feel it even if you dig in real

hard. You can stop any heart atack that can be stopped this way. You can

also restart a heart that has stopped.

I teach the technique to every needlefreak/crack addict I meet. I met a

lot of them where I lived in Austin some years back. I personally know

of two lives saved with this technique. In both cases the heart had

stopped from IV cocaine overdose.

jim

Wong111@... wrote:

>

> Why is that?

>

> jlambert@... writes:

>

> > Look down at your left pinky finger. In the rear corner, where cuticle

> > meets the inside of your finger, on the right side of that fingernail --

> > dig a fingernail into that corner when you are having the chest pain. If

> > that hurts, it is not a heart attack. If it is numb, go to a doctor

> > quickly!

-----

carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert

jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

http://www.entrance.to/poetry

[Guest guest]

Perhaps you are lacking digestive enzymes Kat.

chest pains

Hi everyone,

Well, I'm back too! Haha Like anyone missed me .... LOL

I have a question: lately I have started having chest pains and I tried

to

get in to see a reg. doctor, but everyone was full and would make no

exceptions. I don't have a lot of money, and I don't want to spend

thousands on medical tests to find out I'm having indigestion or

heartburn.

I have always been able to eat whatever I wanted without it " kicking back

on

me " as my father used to say. I'm 43 now, and never had chest pains

either.

They seem to be worse after eating, but takes about an hour to flare up.

I

don't have any of the other " common " symptoms of heart attack, like

numbness

or tingling. Also, the pain seems to start right in between my breasts,

and

ends up radiating to my back on the right hand side! Also, I don't have

them everyday, just once in awhile. If they get more severe, then I will

of

course go to the hospital, but I wondered if anyone has had this or knows

what it may be. Thanks a lot,

KAT

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

Have just read several messages re chest pains. I get them too, though

seldom now post myotomy (Jul1999).

Are those who do, told that you have " vigorous " achalasia? It seems that

quite a few achalasics don't get these severe chest pains - is that right??

Chest pain, sometimes severe and lasting an hour or two was a first symptom

for me that anything was wrong - I was getting these 20 years ago, though

infrequently back then. On more than one occasion, I had ECG's and cardiac

tests to rule out heart problems. Always normal. Put it down to stress and

a type of 'panic attack', which didn't thrill me - didn't think I was that

bad...

Interesting that chest pains are worse when some achalasics are badly

constipated - haven't got irritable bowel myself or noticed that

association. Can't help wondering if, in those circumstances, damaged

oesophageal LES is an 'extra' to broader intestinal muscle

damage/ineffectiveness in irritable bowel syndrome. There may well be

several causes for achalasia. ( I also swallowed birth control pills for

years without water...but then I bet millions of non achalasiacs do too -

they're so tiny).

If this information helps anyone : I don't now take anything for the chest

pains, though would have needed to start had it not been for the myotomy.

Perhaps I'm just lucky that the changes brought about by the op reduced the

occurrence of these chest pains( which sometimes went on for more than an

hour and were crippling in spasms), to almost nil, and also greatly reduced

the severity (to mildly uncomfortable, more 'throat based '- swallowing

water helped) and length (minutes).

The rare times that I do get them seem to be associated with eating food too

late in the evening/ too close to going to bedtime. Foods that are more

difficult to digest are a culprit - solid chunks of meat for eg. On one

recent holiday I had persistent chest pains nightly for several days in a

row, each time after eating a large restaurant meal later than my usual

'dinner-time' and particularly bad after eating a couple of steak meals

(very unusual food for me these days) . I don't know about you but my

body is a are habitual soul - the stomach expects certain foods at certain

times of day, and needs time to digest it. More time if it's spicy. If we

go to bed with the stomach still actively digesting, there's bound to be a

stimulatory effect on the oesophagus, especially with achalasics who have

damaged lower sphinctures allowing acid reflux.

Okay, all for now other than to say chin up everyone - when things are

particularly bad remind yourself that there are others out there who

understand what you are going through and to whom you can talk/ cry/holler

for help and understanding. And if your Dr doesn't seem too sympathetic

and his/her recommended treatments aren't working too well, get another Dr.

And if you can, someone recommended by another achalasiac!

Jeanne.

Bye for now Jeanne.

-Original Message-----

From: achalasia <achalasia >

achalasia <achalasia >

Date: Thursday, March 15, 2001 8:34 PM

Subject: Digest Number 181

>

>There are 7 messages in this issue.

>

>Topics in this digest:

>

> 1. Re: New

> From: " Carol Haggas " <chaggas@...>

> 2. Re: New

> From: Wickman <kwickman@...>

> 3. Re: New

> From: " Carol Haggas " <chaggas@...>

> 4. Re: New

> From: Wickman <kwickman@...>

> 5. Re: New

> From: " Street " <supersusan@...>

> 6. Fw: Levsin

> From: " Street " <supersusan@...>

> 7. Re: New

> From: " Carol Haggas " <chaggas@...>

>

>

>________________________________________________________________________

>________________________________________________________________________

>

>Message: 1

> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 05:51:59 -0600

> From: " Carol Haggas " <chaggas@...>

>Subject: Re: New

>

> - your MD is right about cause of pains, which define the condition

>known as " vigorous achalasia " . However, he's wrong about there not being

>anything to do for them. There is a prescription medication called Levsin

>that can relieve the pains within seconds, minutes at the most. You might

>want to ask him/her about this.

>Take care -

>Carol

>

> New

>>

>>

>> > I just joined eGroup and am not sure what to do. I tried to log on

>> > to

>> > chat but can't figure it out. I am married (just 1 month) to a man

>> > with achalasia. He was diagnosed about 6 years ago and had

>> > dilitation

>> > at Cleveland Clinic. When I met him 4 years ago he was still having

>> > trouble eating. Although now he is much better he still has severe

>> > chest pain about once a month. We have tried to narrow it down to

>> > foods, stress, etc., but with no luck. I guess my question is What

>> > can I do to help? It keeps us both up endless night after night. Is

>> > there anything to do for the chest pain? What causes it?

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

--- " S. R. & J. E. Streater " <struth@...>

wrote:

> Hi all,

> Have just read several messages re chest pains. I

> get them too, though

> seldom now post myotomy (Jul1999).

> Are those who do, told that you have " vigorous "

> achalasia? It seems that

> quite a few achalasics don't get these severe chest

> pains - is that right??

>

> Chest pain, sometimes severe and lasting an hour or

> two was a first symptom

> for me that anything was wrong - I was getting these

> 20 years ago, though

> infrequently back then. On more than one occasion,

> I had ECG's and cardiac

> tests to rule out heart problems. Always normal.

> Put it down to stress and

> a type of 'panic attack', which didn't thrill me -

> didn't think I was that

> bad...

>

> Interesting that chest pains are worse when some

> achalasics are badly

> constipated - haven't got irritable bowel myself or

> noticed that

> association. Can't help wondering if, in those

> circumstances, damaged

> oesophageal LES is an 'extra' to broader intestinal

> muscle

> damage/ineffectiveness in irritable bowel syndrome.

> There may well be

> several causes for achalasia. ( I also swallowed

> birth control pills for

> years without water...but then I bet millions of non

> achalasiacs do too -

> they're so tiny).

>

> If this information helps anyone : I don't now take

> anything for the chest

> pains, though would have needed to start had it not

> been for the myotomy.

> Perhaps I'm just lucky that the changes brought

> about by the op reduced the

> occurrence of these chest pains( which sometimes

> went on for more than an

> hour and were crippling in spasms), to almost nil,

> and also greatly reduced

> the severity (to mildly uncomfortable, more 'throat

> based '- swallowing

> water helped) and length (minutes).

>

> The rare times that I do get them seem to be

> associated with eating food too

> late in the evening/ too close to going to bedtime.

> Foods that are more

> difficult to digest are a culprit - solid chunks of

> meat for eg. On one

> recent holiday I had persistent chest pains nightly

> for several days in a

> row, each time after eating a large restaurant meal

> later than my usual

> 'dinner-time' and particularly bad after eating a

> couple of steak meals

> (very unusual food for me these days) . I don't

> know about you but my

> body is a are habitual soul - the stomach expects

> certain foods at certain

> times of day, and needs time to digest it. More time

> if it's spicy. If we

> go to bed with the stomach still actively digesting,

> there's bound to be a

> stimulatory effect on the oesophagus, especially

> with achalasics who have

> damaged lower sphinctures allowing acid reflux.

>

> Okay, all for now other than to say chin up everyone

> - when things are

> particularly bad remind yourself that there are

> others out there who

> understand what you are going through and to whom

> you can talk/ cry/holler

> for help and understanding. And if your Dr doesn't

> seem too sympathetic

> and his/her recommended treatments aren't working

> too well, get another Dr.

> And if you can, someone recommended by another

> achalasiac!

>

> Jeanne.

>

> Bye for now Jeanne.

I have often wondered too, if there wasn't more

involved in all of the intestines. I do suffer from

irritable bowel syndrome and have wondered if there

isn't a connection. >

>

> -Original Message-----

> From: achalasia

> <achalasia >

> achalasia

> <achalasia >

> Date: Thursday, March 15, 2001 8:34 PM

> Subject: Digest Number 181

>

>

> >

> >There are 7 messages in this issue.

> >

> >Topics in this digest:

> >

> > 1. Re: New

> > From: " Carol Haggas "

> <chaggas@...>

> > 2. Re: New

> > From: Wickman <kwickman@...>

> > 3. Re: New

> > From: " Carol Haggas "

> <chaggas@...>

> > 4. Re: New

> > From: Wickman <kwickman@...>

> > 5. Re: New

> > From: " Street "

> <supersusan@...>

> > 6. Fw: Levsin

> > From: " Street "

> <supersusan@...>

> > 7. Re: New

> > From: " Carol Haggas "

> <chaggas@...>

> >

> >

>

>________________________________________________________________________

>

>________________________________________________________________________

> >

> >Message: 1

> > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 05:51:59 -0600

> > From: " Carol Haggas " <chaggas@...>

> >Subject: Re: New

> >

> > - your MD is right about cause of pains,

> which define the condition

> >known as " vigorous achalasia " . However, he's wrong

> about there not being

> >anything to do for them. There is a prescription

> medication called Levsin

> >that can relieve the pains within seconds, minutes

> at the most. You might

> >want to ask him/her about this.

> >Take care -

> >Carol

> >

> > New

> >>

> >>

> >> > I just joined eGroup and am not sure what to

> do. I tried to log on

> >> > to

> >> > chat but can't figure it out. I am married

> (just 1 month) to a man

> >> > with achalasia. He was diagnosed about 6 years

> ago and had

> >> > dilitation

> >> > at Cleveland Clinic. When I met him 4 years

> ago he was still having

> >> > trouble eating. Although now he is much better

> he still has severe

> >> > chest pain about once a month. We have tried

> to narrow it down to

> >> > foods, stress, etc., but with no luck. I guess

> my question is What

> >> > can I do to help? It keeps us both up endless

> night after night. Is

> >> > there anything to do for the chest pain? What

> causes it?

>

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Jeanne -

As I understand it, the only symptom that differentiates plain ol' achalasia

from " vigorous " achalasia is the presence of these frightening chest pains.

I've talked to a number of people who wasted a great deal of time pursuing

the cardiac connection, which usually preceeded ever undergoing any type of

testing for achalasia.

Like you, I haven't noticed an intestinal condition link to the occurence of

chest pains, but I have found that I am more likely to succumb when I'm

overly tired. I'm wondering if the stress (not the panic type but the

bearing-down pressure type) that can be associated with constipation and

trying to produce a bowel movement may trigger the spasms? And I can agree

with your suspicions that what and when you eat plays a role in producing

spasms. It makes sense - you've over-taxed a weak muscle in much the same

way an athlete who overdoes training or competition can experience a cramped

muscle.

You said you're not now taking any medication for the condition, which is

good. You might want to consider asking for a prescription of Levsin to

have on hand " just in case " . They work extremely quickly and should you

have a spasm, relieving it quickly might prevent further damaging or

weakening a body part that needs to have as much strength and as little

trauma as we can provide it.

Take care -

Carol

New

> >>

> >>

> >> > I just joined eGroup and am not sure what to do. I tried to log on

> >> > to

> >> > chat but can't figure it out. I am married (just 1 month) to a man

> >> > with achalasia. He was diagnosed about 6 years ago and had

> >> > dilitation

> >> > at Cleveland Clinic. When I met him 4 years ago he was still having

> >> > trouble eating. Although now he is much better he still has severe

> >> > chest pain about once a month. We have tried to narrow it down to

> >> > foods, stress, etc., but with no luck. I guess my question is What

> >> > can I do to help? It keeps us both up endless night after night. Is

> >> > there anything to do for the chest pain? What causes it?

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

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[Guest guest]

Jess, get to a doctor right away! You may have a small perforation in your esophagus that has become infected. Waiting only makes things worse.

Alan

Chest Pains

Please can someone please give me some advice. I'm now on my third day of having severe chest pains, in the middle of my chest. I'm sure that I can feel something that is stuck but all my usual tricks will just not work and I can't seem to remove whatever it is. I went swimming the other day for the first time in years, as when I was young I was really allergic to the Chlorine in pools. i thought I may have grown out of the allergy but when I returned from swimming I began to feel really ill. Whether I managed to lodge some food when I was swimming or If my oesphagus has swollen due to an allergy I don't know. I have not had pain like this for around 10 months, not since I had my first and only dilation and I was like this for 2, 3 days.I'm tempted to drive myself to hospital but I don't think there's much they can do as i'm sure there will be few there who would understand what achalasia is. Can anyone give me advice on what to do as i'm starting to panic a little now, which I know will make it worse. I can't seem to get much food down and drinking water does not seem to solve it.Hope to hear soonJess

[Guest guest]

Panicing will make things worse, but really - go to the ER or call your MD.

And please, let us know what they say. As much as we'd all love to help

you, either with info or in person, sometimes you have to go to the

professionals to truly get better. Good luck - we're all thinking of you.

Carol

Chest Pains

> Please can someone please give me some advice. I'm now on my third

> day of having severe chest pains, in the middle of my chest. I'm sure

> that I can feel something that is stuck but all my usual tricks will

> just not work and I can't seem to remove whatever it is.

>

> I went swimming the other day for the first time in years, as when I

> was young I was really allergic to the Chlorine in pools. i thought I

> may have grown out of the allergy but when I returned from swimming I

> began to feel really ill. Whether I managed to lodge some food when I

> was swimming or If my oesphagus has swollen due to an allergy I don't

> know. I have not had pain like this for around 10 months, not since

> I had my first and only dilation and I was like this for 2, 3 days.

>

> I'm tempted to drive myself to hospital but I don't think there's much

> they can do as i'm sure there will be few there who would understand

> what achalasia is.

>

> Can anyone give me advice on what to do as i'm starting to panic a

> little now, which I know will make it worse. I can't seem to get much

> food down and drinking water does not seem to solve it.

>

> Hope to hear soon

> Jess

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jess - please call your doctor immediately!!! There is stuff they can do for you - medications, etc. Please don't suffer needlessly! Sincerely, Elena Wagner

[Guest guest]

Please at least go see your doctor. I am only 42 and was becoming

increasingly ill for months and then began to have chest and arm pain. My

FNP immediatly thought of heart problems even though I've had achalasia for

21 years. He sent me to a specialist who really doubted it was my heart.

After lots of different tests they finally did a echocardiagram. It was my

heart. My mytral valve was bad and had to immediatly be replaced. I was a

walking time bomb for a heart attack or a stroke. I too at first attributed

the chest pain to my achalasia. But when in doubt check it out. Don't wait

until its too late. Good Luck.

>From: challajess@...

>Reply-achalasia

>achalasia

>Subject: Chest Pains

>Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 15:00:31 -0000

>

>Please can someone please give me some advice. I'm now on my third

>day of having severe chest pains, in the middle of my chest. I'm sure

>that I can feel something that is stuck but all my usual tricks will

>just not work and I can't seem to remove whatever it is.

>

>I went swimming the other day for the first time in years, as when I

>was young I was really allergic to the Chlorine in pools. i thought I

>may have grown out of the allergy but when I returned from swimming I

>began to feel really ill. Whether I managed to lodge some food when I

>was swimming or If my oesphagus has swollen due to an allergy I don't

>know. I have not had pain like this for around 10 months, not since

>I had my first and only dilation and I was like this for 2, 3 days.

>

>I'm tempted to drive myself to hospital but I don't think there's much

>they can do as i'm sure there will be few there who would understand

>what achalasia is.

>

>Can anyone give me advice on what to do as i'm starting to panic a

>little now, which I know will make it worse. I can't seem to get much

>food down and drinking water does not seem to solve it.

>

>Hope to hear soon

>Jess

>

>

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[Guest guest]

For MANY years I had chest pains and did not know what they were. These

spasms would come at the worst time, like while I was teaching or counseling

someone. The best thing you can do while teaching (preaching in your case)

is keep lots of water around. Water seems to help ease the spasms. Also I

use Altoids with pure peppermint in them. I had a doctor tell me years ago

that pure peppermint oil would help and it does. It's just that Altoids are

easier to carry around then a bottle of peppermint. They seem to sooth the

spasms for me. That is something you can keep on hand when you are speaking

to a group and can't run away screaming in pain.

Some have found that coke syrup helps to ease the spasms too.

Also, if you go to the files on the Achalasia website you will find

articles on L-Arginine. Arginine has helped me immensely. I have fewer

spasms and they are not as bad.

I hope that helps.

J.C.

Chest Pains

With my A. I am having every severe chest pains that radiate through

my chest and back. My chest bone hurts when I touch and when I put my

hand and push against the chest it also hurts. I am a pastor and find

that I get these pains sometimes right after preaching. Could this

cause the pain? Also, do any of you have any ideas about relieving

this pain when it occurs. BTW, my heart is fine as far as I know. I

aced the treadmill test and work out on a treadmill quite regularly.

I know these pains come from my A. because the last time I got

scoped, when I drank some water I got the same pains.

Hivoao

[Guest guest]

Hi,

What are Altoids? I'm not from the States and I don't know this,

but maybe I can get here something similar.

I used to take Megalat for the chest pains, but now they found out

that these pills are dangerous, so I got over to sub-lingual

Isocardide. I'm not yet positive if it helps or not, because

actually nothing I tried helped always.

Helga

> For MANY years I had chest pains and did not know what they were.

These

> spasms would come at the worst time, like while I was teaching or

counseling

> someone. The best thing you can do while teaching (preaching in

your case)

> is keep lots of water around. Water seems to help ease the

spasms. Also I

> use Altoids with pure peppermint in them. I had a doctor tell me

years ago

> that pure peppermint oil would help and it does. It's just that

Altoids are

> easier to carry around then a bottle of peppermint. They seem to

sooth the

> spasms for me. That is something you can keep on hand when you

are speaking

> to a group and can't run away screaming in pain.

>

> Some have found that coke syrup helps to ease the spasms too.

>

> Also, if you go to the files on the Achalasia website you

will find

> articles on L-Arginine. Arginine has helped me immensely. I have

fewer

> spasms and they are not as bad.

>

> I hope that helps.

>

> J.C.

> Chest Pains

>

>

> With my A. I am having every severe chest pains that radiate

through

> my chest and back. My chest bone hurts when I touch and when I put

my

> hand and push against the chest it also hurts. I am a pastor and

find

> that I get these pains sometimes right after preaching. Could this

> cause the pain? Also, do any of you have any ideas about relieving

> this pain when it occurs. BTW, my heart is fine as far as I know. I

> aced the treadmill test and work out on a treadmill quite

regularly.

> I know these pains come from my A. because the last time I got

> scoped, when I drank some water I got the same pains.

>

> Hivoao

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the counsel. I will try that. It is good to know that

others have this problem.

hf

> > For MANY years I had chest pains and did not know what they

were.

> These

> > spasms would come at the worst time, like while I was teaching or

> counseling

> > someone. The best thing you can do while teaching (preaching in

> your case)

> > is keep lots of water around. Water seems to help ease the

> spasms. Also I

> > use Altoids with pure peppermint in them. I had a doctor tell me

> years ago

> > that pure peppermint oil would help and it does. It's just that

> Altoids are

> > easier to carry around then a bottle of peppermint. They seem to

> sooth the

> > spasms for me. That is something you can keep on hand when you

> are speaking

> > to a group and can't run away screaming in pain.

> >

> > Some have found that coke syrup helps to ease the spasms too.

> >

> > Also, if you go to the files on the Achalasia website you

> will find

> > articles on L-Arginine. Arginine has helped me immensely. I

have

> fewer

> > spasms and they are not as bad.

> >

> > I hope that helps.

> >

> > J.C.

> > Chest Pains

> >

> >

> > With my A. I am having every severe chest pains that radiate

> through

> > my chest and back. My chest bone hurts when I touch and when I

put

> my

> > hand and push against the chest it also hurts. I am a pastor and

> find

> > that I get these pains sometimes right after preaching. Could this

> > cause the pain? Also, do any of you have any ideas about

relieving

> > this pain when it occurs. BTW, my heart is fine as far as I know.

I

> > aced the treadmill test and work out on a treadmill quite

> regularly.

> > I know these pains come from my A. because the last time I got

> > scoped, when I drank some water I got the same pains.

> >

> > Hivoao

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hivoao,

I know I am responding over a week after you mentioned

that you sometimes get spasms after preaching, but I

have not logged on in a long time. I have found that

when I am having severe spasms, talking makes them

worse!! I prefer to be left alone, because I do not

want to say anything. I have mentioned before on this

site that Naproxin, which is a non-prescription pain

reliever, works really well (consistantly) for me. I

know that for some, just the mere thought of ingesting

a pain reliever while suffering from spasms makes them

cringe! But it works better than anything else I have

tried, especially if I take one right as I feel a

spasm coming on. I have mentioned this to my G.I.

here in San Francisco, and he said that he could see

how it works for me, because my pain is probably being

caused by swelling and stretching. I have advanced

achalasia and a very stretched esophagus, and will

most likely have to have my entire esophagus removed.

I am supposed to find out soon. And I am only 33!!!

Anyway, I have tried almost everything for spasms, and

Naproxin, so far, has been the most helpful for me.

But I would not suggest that anyone try it without

first ASKING THEIR DOCTOR!!! I hope you are doing

well. Kari

--- Hivoao <hflynn3@...> wrote:

> With my A. I am having every severe chest pains that

> radiate through

> my chest and back. My chest bone hurts when I touch

> and when I put my

> hand and push against the chest it also hurts. I am

> a pastor and find

> that I get these pains sometimes right after

> preaching. Could this

> cause the pain? Also, do any of you have any ideas

> about relieving

> this pain when it occurs. BTW, my heart is fine as

> far as I know. I

> aced the treadmill test and work out on a treadmill

> quite regularly.

> I know these pains come from my A. because the last

> time I got

> scoped, when I drank some water I got the same

> pains.

>

> Hivoao

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Kari,

I too have advanced achalasia and also had the surgery done last dec. I

am now left with an esophogus that has a pocket at the end from a failed

surgery. I am suppose to go in today to see if they think there is anyway

to fix it. My spichter muscle to my stomach is almost completly closed. I

have not eaten in over a week, except for some reason chocolate will go

down. I have been to the hospital this weekend to be rehydrated and they

decided to do an emergency endoscopy today. My surgery came apart in May

some time, I started regergatating in my sleep, contents just sit at the

bottom until they go in or come back up. I hope they do not have to

remove yours..I worry about the same thing for myself and i am only 31.

So i know where your coming from. Where are you located? I'm in Indiana.

Keep us posted.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I have a feeling that the surgery I had back when I

was 18 was not done properly, either. I am getting

that feeling from the doctor I am seeing now in San

Francisco, who knows of the doctor who did my surgery,

and I can tell that he does not think too much of him,

but does not want to come out and say it. I used to

regurgitate a lot at night, but I think I have a

really large pocket as well, which is acting as a

second stomach. I am able to eat normal amounts of

food, but it stays in my esophagus for a long, long

time, and I do get spasms pretty frequently. Most

people can not even tell that there is anything wrong

with me, unless I tell them. That is why I am so

surprised that I am apparantly in such bad shape. I

never realized, until joining this group, that so many

people, such as yourself, can not even keep liquids

down!!! Please let us know how you are coming along.

I hope you are O.K., and I will post as to my progress

as well. I am supposed to hear from my GI this week as

to what will be the next step. Kari

--- C Mimms <julieathome2@...> wrote:

> Kari,

> I too have advanced achalasia and also had the

> surgery done last dec. I

> am now left with an esophogus that has a pocket at

> the end from a failed

> surgery. I am suppose to go in today to see if they

> think there is anyway

> to fix it. My spichter muscle to my stomach is

> almost completly closed. I

> have not eaten in over a week, except for some

> reason chocolate will go

> down. I have been to the hospital this weekend to be

> rehydrated and they

> decided to do an emergency endoscopy today. My

> surgery came apart in May

> some time, I started regergatating in my sleep,

> contents just sit at the

> bottom until they go in or come back up. I hope they

> do not have to

> remove yours..I worry about the same thing for

> myself and i am only 31.

> So i know where your coming from. Where are you

> located? I'm in Indiana.

> Keep us posted.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Kari

Sounds like we are in about the same shape. I have lost 5lbs in the last

9 days. I go today for an endoscopy. I will let you know how it goes.

Hell sounds like we had the same surgeon.LOL. My biology teacher (i'm a

college student) teases me and says that i am turning into a ruminant

animal. Thats like a cow who has more then one stomach. It was funny at

the time..but she knows that it is serious. I have missed alot of school

and she is nice enough to work with me on it. I'll talk to you later.

[Guest guest]

I guess I'm a ruminant animal too!!! Nothing wrong

with a little humor. I would love to tell you some of

the humorous things friends have said to me, but I

don't want to offend anyone. I know firsthand how

un-funny this disease is, but every once in a while, a

little humor can help ease the tension (and the

spasms). I can't believe you have lost 5 pounds in 9

days. Are you throwing up a lot?? Let me know, Kari

--- C Mimms <julieathome2@...> wrote:

> Kari

> Sounds like we are in about the same shape. I have

> lost 5lbs in the last

> 9 days. I go today for an endoscopy. I will let you

> know how it goes.

> Hell sounds like we had the same surgeon.LOL. My

> biology teacher (i'm a

> college student) teases me and says that i am

> turning into a ruminant

> animal. Thats like a cow who has more then one

> stomach. It was funny at

> the time..but she knows that it is serious. I have

> missed alot of school

> and she is nice enough to work with me on it. I'll

> talk to you later.

>

>

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