TREASURY SPENDING CHALLENGE - our topic removed

[Guest guest]

I am unable to log in this morning as well!

I also get the log-in box and being told it is being updated.

" A user name and password are being requested by

http://spendingchallenge.hm-treasury.gov.uk. The site says: " Sorry, the site is

currently down for maintenance " "

This is regardless of clicking on a link from the forum, or doing a Google

search.

Fiona

[Guest guest]

There you go, they really don't want to know. The government's

relationship with the RCP and BTA are far too important, whether they are right

or wrong - what we have to say doesn't matter, whether we are right or wrong. I

am now calling for a meeting with the RCP, the BTA, a rep. from the DoH, and

reps. from Thyroid patient Advocacy and Thyroid UK as the two thyroid patients

organisations diametrically opposed to the 'guidance' as it stands. I am also

in the process of writing to Panorama. If our ideas are not there on the

Government's web site, they don't have to answer them, do they?

Luv - Sheila

HI

Sheila,

This

is the link that I used as follows:-http://spendingchallenge.hm-treasury.gov.uk/how-can-we-rethink-public-services-to-deliver-more-for-less/hypothyroidism-urgent-pulblic-enquiry-needed-to-save-money

and,

this was my message...

I

would like to strongly urge the Government to take heed of the 250,000

hypothyroid sufferers throughout the UK, who, through no fault of their own,

are unable to successfully function on Thyroxine (T4), and need Natural

Dessicated Thyroid, or other T3 containing products, to enjoy a normal

existance.

The

real and genuine savings to the NHS, would run into millions of pounds and

there would be a lot of very happy and relieved sufferers out there...

PLEASE

LISTEN TO US!!!

Can't

get in this morning though!!!

Marie

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18:35:00

[Guest guest]

STILL says 'authorisation required' how dare they do this!!!!!

[Guest guest]

HI SHEILA

There are a large amount of people with thyroid problems and I do not like to

think of the final number that includes those not diagnosed.

Could there be more to this, and could it be that they are hiding what has

caused this condition, and on top of this cancer rates have increased, and I for

one have to question all this, and neither do I believe it to be due to people

living longer, as these conditions exist in the young as well. " JUST WHAT ARE THE

GOVERNMENT CONCEALING FROM US "

Kathleen

>

> There you go, they really don't want to know. The government's relationship

> with the RCP and BTA are far too important, whether they are right or wrong

> - what we have to say doesn't matter, whether we are right or wrong. I am

> now calling for a meeting with the RCP, the BTA, a rep. from the DoH, and

> reps. from Thyroid patient Advocacy and Thyroid UK as the two thyroid

> patients organisations diametrically opposed to the 'guidance' as it stands.

> I am also in the process of writing to Panorama. If our ideas are not there

> on the Government's web site, they don't have to answer them, do they?

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> This is the link that I used as

follows:-http://spendingchallenge.hm-treasury.gov.uk/how-can-we-rethink-public-s\

ervices-to-deliver-more-for-less/hypothyroidism-urgent-pulblic-enquiry-needed-to\

-save-money

>

> and, this was my message...

>

> I would like to strongly urge the Government to take heed of the 250,000

hypothyroid sufferers throughout the UK, who, through no fault of their own, are

unable to successfully function on Thyroxine (T4), and need Natural Dessicated

Thyroid, or other T3 containing products, to enjoy a normal existance.

>

Well done Marie! Believe it or not, I managed to sign in for yours!

I posted as " snake " again and simply pasted what I put before.

Hope this remains online.

Fiona.

[Guest guest]

Sue, was this the first Topic that you posted on or the second.

I have the first topic messages and you are not there. I think Tracey has a

copy of the second messages, but not all of them.

Luv - Sheila

From: thyroid treatment

[mailto:thyroid treatment ] On Behalf Of Sue Ramsey

Sent: 15 July 2010 18:19

thyroid treatment

Subject: Re: TREASURY SPENDING CHALLENGE - our

topic removed

Sheila, this is an outrage! I'll include it in my letter to

my MP. My user name was susanr. Could you copy my comment back to me please?

Sue

Sent from iPhone

[Guest guest]

Here is your letter Sue. We have now had three attempts taken

down.

Luv - Sheila

Posted by r July 13, 2010 at 12:43

The cost of undiagnosed or misdiagnosed hypothyroidism is scandalous both in

terms of money and suffering. It is no coincidence that the UK has high rates

of obesity, heart disease, cancer and diabetes alongside the widest range for

TSH testing. All of the above illnesses are symptoms of hypothyroidism. Failure

to treat the individual in favour of blood test results is a scandal and a

complete waste of money. A full review by way of a public enquiry is three

decades overdue and is a direct opportunity to save millions of NHS money by

tackling the cause and not the symptoms. Additionally lives will be saved and

the quality of life improved, which will have knock-on savings throughout the

benefits system. Take this simple step and review medical policy in partnership

with patient advocacy groups such as TPA.

From: thyroid treatment

[mailto:thyroid treatment ] On Behalf Of Sue Ramsey

Sent: 15 July 2010 18:19

thyroid treatment

Subject: Re: TREASURY SPENDING CHALLENGE - our

topic removed

Sheila, this is an outrage! I'll include it in my letter to

my MP. My user name was susanr. Could you copy my comment back to me please?

Sue

Sent from iPhone

On 15 Jul 2010, at 10:41, " SheilaT " <sheila@...> wrote:

It

appears that our original topioc " HYPOTHYROIDISM - URGENT PUBLIC ENQUIRY

CALLED FOR " with over 70 comments and a top rating of 4.8 our of 5.0 has

been removed by the Moderators. We have written to the Administrators asking

for an expanation as to othe reason why, but none of us, as yet, have had any

response. I personally believe that the topoic could well have been deleted as

having " inappropriate content " because most of us were complaining

about the lack of care by the NHS in the diagnosing the symptoms of

hypothyroidism or being allowed a choice of treatment because of the RCP and

BTA guidance on the Diagnosing and Management of Primary Hypothyroidism. There

were some excellent comments which needed to be aired, and hopefully, they

would have convinced the CONDEM Government to take this sorry mess forward for

further discussion and investigationl. We were near to the top of the ratings

out of over 500 topics, which the Government had promised would be the one's

they would be looking at.

However,

I do believe the hand of the BTA, RCP is making these puppetts do what

they want, and everybody's message has been removed. In fact, we could not even

log in so you may find you need to log in again.

Our

suggestion is that there are several other topics with the word 'thyroxine' -

'thyroid' and 'hypothyroidism' in them, See these links below. If you posted a

comment on the original (now removed) thread, please send me the

'Username' you used, and I will send you a copy of the comment you sent (I

saved them all) and you can then repost it on all of these and give a 5 star

rating. We need to push these topics all the way to the top. If the

Administrators decide to remove ALL the topics containing these words, then we

need to ask questions via the Media.

I

sincerely hope that the CONDEM Government is not going to CONDEMN

everything we write about this topic - it is long overdue for further

investigatikons to be made and a public enquiry is the only way to go - we

are capable of saving the government millions of pounds and the BTA, RCP are

capable of giving back normal health to over 250,000 UK citizens.

If

we are all determined enough to make this work -IT WILL. There will be people

of note out there taking account of what we have written. We will NOT sit back

and allow the RCP and the BTA to win - but it's good to know we are making the

RCP,BTA et all very uncomfortable.

http://spendingchallenge.hm-treasury.gov.uk/@@search?text=hypothyroidism

http://spendingchallenge.hm-treasury.gov.uk/@@search?text=thyroxine

http://spendingchallenge.hm-treasury.gov.uk/@@search?text=thyroxine

Luv

- Sheila

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02:26:00

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue, all of our attempts to bring this to the attention of

the government with our ideas of how they could save millions have been removed

from their web site. Also, those who posted a comment appear to have had their

username and password banned or they have banned our IP numbers as we can no

longer get access to post anything.

Not good.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila

My username was bellydancer

I have not tried to access site today as at work, but will

look at tonight. Will definitely post again to all these links, we need

to see what the moderators will do, then go public as you rightly say.

Thank you so much for all the hard work.

Have recently had letter from Dr P suggesting I buy some

Cytomel 25mg as my symptoms still present but to a lesser degree. Will be

looking at the files to find info but my mexican drugstore sounds a good option

so far.

Sue

x

From: SheilaT <sheila@...>

thyroid treatment

Sent: Thu, 15 July, 2010 10:41:39

Subject: TREASURY SPENDING CHALLENGE - our

topic removed

[Guest guest]

Any chance you can copy it and paste the response here Margaret

as when I click on the link, I have a box come up to put in my username and

password, which it doesn't accept. I get the message

Authorization Required

This

server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document

requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or

your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required.

Looks like I for one have been banned from posting anything.

Luv - Sheila

Hi again

You are not doing TOO badly Sheila as your have one comment on twice plus

another on this one! http://spendingchallenge.hm-treasury.gov.uk/how-can-we-rethink-public-services-to-deliver-more-for-less/doctors-should-be-made-aware-of-all-thyroid-meds-available

This comment is good too as I didn't realise the training was quite so

intensive as this!

[Guest guest]

They have both been deleted Nick, with a third attempt at

another this morning. Let them play their games. I will go about this in

another manner.

Luv - Sheila

On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:41:39 -0000, you wrote:

>

>It appears that our original topioc " HYPOTHYROIDISM - URGENT PUBLIC

>ENQUIRY CALLED FOR " with over 70 comments and a top rating of 4.8 our

of

>5.0 has been removed by the Moderators. We have written to the

This seems to be there still

http://spendingchallenge.hm-treasury.gov.uk/how-can-we-rethink-public-services-to-deliver-more-for-less/inappropriate-treatment-for-hypothyroidism-should-be-investigated

Did it go up twice and one get deleted??

Nick

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02:26:00

[Guest guest]

WE MUST NOT LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THIS APPALLING INJUSTICE!!

[Guest guest]

HI SHEILA,

I tried to get a message on this site by clicking the link, and I set up my log

in details and password.

I spent much time then on trying to get my idas across under HYPOTHYROIDISM, but

there is a limit of characters, but no means of knowing how many you have

placed.

On the SAVE I got the box up which you log in your details, but this is stupid

as I was already logged in, but on trying several times it would not accept my

login, but it also had that it was sorry that it was down for maintenence.

Is it possible that they can register what you are in fact typing, or could it

be due to choosing the subject of HYPOTHYROIDISM.

I have tried this with the FIREFOX BROWSER direct from a link, so will try next

time with a copy and paste into explorer next time, but I managed to copy and

paste all back into my processor, so it does not take as much time next time

round.

I will first try and post something regarding ALCOHOLISM to test out our

theories.

I also had a message come backfrom WRITETOTHEM.COM that I posted your message

through asking if I had received any further response which I have not even to

my postal letter.

Kathleen

>

> There you go, they really don't want to know. The government's relationship

> with the RCP and BTA are far too important, whether they are right or wrong

> - what we have to say doesn't matter, whether we are right or wrong. I am

> now calling for a meeting with the RCP, the BTA, a rep. from the DoH, and

> reps. from Thyroid patient Advocacy and Thyroid UK as the two thyroid

> patients organisations diametrically opposed to the 'guidance' as it stands.

> I am also in the process of writing to Panorama. If our ideas are not there

> on the Government's web site, they don't have to answer them, do they?

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This has just come up on SPENDING CHALLENGE

http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/@@search?Subject=freedom

Thank you for the ideas so far…

As you may have noticed, the site has been the subject to a small number of

malicious attacks so we have unfortunately had to pause on the interactive

features for now, but we're still keen to hear any further ideas you have, which

we may publish at a later date.

We are really grateful to have already received thousands of good ideas and

we're committed to giving as many of you as possible the chance to get involved

and feed into the tough decisions that must be made in the Spending Review.

You can submit your ideas for improving public services through the Spending

Challenge website using the form on the home page.

This entry was posted on Friday, July 16th, 2010 at 6:40 pm.

You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed.

ginny B

>

> STILL says 'authorisation required' how dare they do this!!!!!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

That is the same message I was getting. Nothing would allow me access no matter

what I tried.

I truly believe this is a 'look good' exercise by the government which will be

result in total disregard of anyone's opinions or ideas.

We cannot let them win, they need to know we exist and will not be easily

gagged, no matter what they do.

Love - Lynne

>

> Any chance you can copy it and paste the response here Margaret as when I

> click on the link, I have a box come up to put in my username and password,

> which it doesn't accept. I get the message

>

> Authorization Required

>

> This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document

> requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password),

> or your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required.

>

> Looks like I for one have been banned from posting anything.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

>

>

> Hi again

>

> You are not doing TOO badly Sheila as your have one comment on twice plus

> another on this one!

> http://spendingchallenge.hm-treasury.gov.uk/how-can-we-rethink-public-servic

> es-to-deliver-more-for-less/doctors-should-be-made-aware-of-all-thyroid-meds

> -available This comment is good too as I didn't realise the training was

> quite so intensive as this!

>

[Guest guest]

Conspiracy theories I find get us nowhere Kathleen - seriously.

We could go on for ever wondering what is behind all of this and trying to find

the cause. What I do SERIOUSLY believe in though is DIRTY MEDICINE - and

anybody wanting to know what really DOES go on behind the scenes on a daily

basis should read the book, by .

HI SHEILA

There are a large amount of people with thyroid problems and I do not like to

think of the final number that includes those not diagnosed.

Could there be more to this, and could it be that they are hiding what has

caused this condition, and on top of this cancer rates have increased, and I

for one have to question all this, and neither do I believe it to be due to

people living longer, as these conditions exist in the young as well. " JUST

WHAT ARE THE GOVERNMENT CONCEALING FROM US "

Kathleen

[Guest guest]

HI SHEILA,

Can you give me the details of this book by with title and press

details.

I have also managed to find out that polyps can be caused by a reaction to

oestrogen also causing breast cancer.

The effects of oestrogen and progresterone came up at my resolution meeting, and

the effects of progresterone can cause what DRS then refer to as irritable

colon, and that some DRS prescribe progresterone for this.

I also had a former GP suggest trying progresterone cream from H & B but this did

not help.

I have been looking all this up today and this H & B CREAM is not natural

progresterone, after coming across SERENITY PROGRESTERONE.

I have also emailed them for advice in the treatment of polyps.

In my case polyps can become infective and degenerate causing discharge and

bleeding, and some women only experiance one, but I have had several including

what I feel is another one. I have always been told that any bleeding can cause

a water infection which then causes problems to my lung condition.

Having to keep having surgery also is a risk with infection, and already have

problems with antibiotics.

On top of all this all the plastics that are made today with some being a type

of oestogen, but THE PILL also has Oestrogen (which I have never taken or HRT).

I did however go downhill on Oestrogen cream so this has to be a problem to me.

Babies too are suffering from too much exosure before birth to too much

Oestrogen with girls maturing too early for them to cope with (which applies to

my second Daughter who also has HYPOTHYROIDISM).

This means that I must have produced too much Oestrogen or too low on

Progesterone.

My first Daughter and myself were older and irregular, meaning no problems with

too much oestrogen or no problems with HYPOTHYROIDISM, as this can also cause

problems with Oestrogen.

Baby boys however through too much exposure before birth are born sterile as a

result, but in turn it could be nature lending a hand with limiting the

population.

Too many people have in turn caused Global Warming.

From looking into the use of natural progresterone by Serenity the problem is

that at first it increases Oestrogen which in turn could cause more pain and

problems with polyps, so have sought advice.

The NHS only prescribe pills which could prove to be a bigger disaster, so can

you correct me if I have anything wrong here.

If too that the thyroid gland causes problems with Oestrogen then too much

exposure to Oestrogens is causing a worse problem to thyroid patients.

Years ago our Grannies and ancestors could cope if ones thyroid was under par,

but to cope with additional hormones produced from plastics today can cause

havoc with men and women.

The governments are also making large ammounts of money from plastics that

appear in everything, but also make money out of THE PILL despite the fact that

its free to us.

Kathleen

>

> Conspiracy theories I find get us nowhere Kathleen - seriously. We could go

> on for ever wondering what is behind all of this and trying to find the

> cause. What I do SERIOUSLY believe in though is DIRTY MEDICINE - and anybody

> wanting to know what really DOES go on behind the scenes on a daily basis

> should read the book, by .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

I see that the interactive areas have now been suspended altogether and there is just a form you can submit. So much for democracy. I think my user name was probably JoUnwin - very imaginative! - and I left a message on your topic after getting one of your previous emails. It would be good to have them all posted again somewhere they may have an effect. Brilliant that you copied and saved them all - was this in anticipation of them being removed?

Maybe we could all email Number 10 through their site at https://email.number10.gov.uk/ or start an online petition, if you haven't already done so - I imagine you probably have. Now you have something in writing we could send to our MPs it would be good to make use of it. I think they all use email these days although tons of snail mail post might have some impact too.

It is so frustrating that a door opens and is then slammed in your face and it is a good job you are so determined and tenacious.

Love

Jo

From: SheilaT <sheila@...>Subject: TREASURY SPENDING CHALLENGE - our topic removedthyroid treatment Date: Thursday, 15 July, 2010, 10:41

It appears that our original topioc "HYPOTHYROIDISM - URGENT PUBLIC ENQUIRY CALLED FOR" with over 70 comments and a top rating of 4.8 our of 5.0 has been removed by the Moderators. We have written to the Administrators asking for an expanation as to othe reason why, but none of us, as yet, have had any response. I personally believe that the topoic could well have been deleted as having "inappropriate content" because most of us were complaining about the lack of care by the NHS in the diagnosing the symptoms of hypothyroidism or being allowed a choice of treatment because of the RCP and BTA guidance on the Diagnosing and Management of Primary Hypothyroidism. There were some excellent comments which needed to be aired, and hopefully, they would have convinced the CONDEM Government to take this sorry mess forward for further discussion and investigationl. We were near to the top of the

ratings out of over 500 topics, which the Government had promised would be the one's they would be looking at.

However, I do believe the hand of the BTA, RCP is making these puppetts do what they want, and everybody's message has been removed. In fact, we could not even log in so you may find you need to log in again.

Our suggestion is that there are several other topics with the word 'thyroxine' - 'thyroid' and 'hypothyroidism' in them, See these links below. If you posted a comment on the original (now removed) thread, please send me the 'Username' you used, and I will send you a copy of the comment you sent (I saved them all) and you can then repost it on all of these and give a 5 star rating. We need to push these topics all the way to the top. If the Administrators decide to remove ALL the topics containing these words, then we need to ask questions via the Media.

I sincerely hope that the CONDEM Government is not going to CONDEMN everything we write about this topic - it is long overdue for further investigatikons to be made and a public enquiry is the only way to go - we are capable of saving the government millions of pounds and the BTA, RCP are capable of giving back normal health to over 250,000 UK citizens.

If we are all determined enough to make this work -IT WILL. There will be people of note out there taking account of what we have written. We will NOT sit back and allow the RCP and the BTA to win - but it's good to know we are making the RCP,BTA et all very uncomfortable.

http://spendingchal lenge.hm- treasury. gov.uk/@@ search?text= hypothyroidism

http://spendingchal lenge.hm- treasury. gov.uk/@@ search?text= thyroxine

http://spendingchal lenge.hm- treasury. gov.uk/@@ search?text= thyroxine

Luv - Sheila

[Guest guest]

Kathleen,

It's called Dirty Medicine, written by . Here's a link to it on

Amazon.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dirty-medicine-science-business-assault/dp/0951964607/re\

f=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1279378450 & sr=1-7

If you buy it though the amazon link in the files, TPA gets a donation.

(G)

>

> HI SHEILA,

> Can you give me the details of this book by with title and press

details.

>

> I also had a former GP suggest trying progresterone cream from H & B but this

did not help.

>

> I have been looking all this up today and this H & B CREAM is not natural

progresterone, after coming across SERENITY PROGRESTERONE.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

HI AMANDA

Have had a look at this link, but have not bought anything from Amazon, so will

have to set up an account.

I take it that you mean once registered etc that I then go to the files section

in TPA which has a link to Amazon and this then takes me there and TPA gets a

donation, and can this be done with any purchases. By going through a link is

the payment a secure method, and can anybody sell items or is it for shops only.

Will look into it more, but am glad you did not send me to EBAY.

Kathleen

>

> Kathleen,

>

> It's called Dirty Medicine, written by . Here's a link to it on

Amazon.

>

>

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dirty-medicine-science-business-assault/dp/0951964607/re\

f=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1279378450 & sr=1-7

>

> If you buy it though the amazon link in the files, TPA gets a donation.

>

> (G)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jo, I can't go through all of these again, but I have attached

the lot from the first idea for you before it was taken down. Your message will

be there.

Luv - sheila

Hi Sheila

I see that the interactive areas have now been suspended

altogether and there is just a form you can submit. So much for

democracy. I think my user name was probably JoUnwin - very imaginative!

- and I left a message on your topic after getting one of your previous

emails. It would be good to have them all posted again somewhere they may

have an effect. Brilliant that you copied and saved them all - was

this in anticipation of them being removed?

Maybe we could all email Number 10 through their site at https://email.number10.gov.uk/ or

start an online petition, if you haven't already done so - I imagine you

probably have. Now you have something in writing we could send to our MPs it

would be good to make use of it. I think they all use email these days

although tons of snail mail post might have some impact too.

It is so frustrating that a door opens and is then slammed

in your face and it is a good job you are so determined and tenacious.

Love

Jo

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COPY OF ARTICLE AND COMMENTS.doc

[Guest guest]

The simplification of the website could be because it couldn't handle the

traffic. (This seems a common problem with new government websites).

When I logged on last week I only added some stars to Sheila's article, but the

whole process took me about 20 minutes because each page was taking several

minutes to load. This was in the morning, when network traffic isn't usually

particularly heavy.

It is obviously a lot simpler to look after the website now that they have taken

away some of the interactive areas. Also, if they are having silly suggestions

like euthanasia for everyone over 70 then I can understand why they don't want

to keep them all on view.

Miriam

> I see that the interactive areas have now been suspended altogether and there

is just a form you can submit. So much for democracy.

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathleen, when

you post a message via " Write To Them " web site, you will receive an

email response from them, and you have to click on a LINK they send to let them

know that you still wish them to forward your previous message to your MP. The MP

should then respond within 14 days - and you will get a message asking you

whether your MP has responded or not. If you tell them you have not, they then

get on to the MP to remind them.

Luv - Sheila

I also had a message come backfrom WRITETOTHEM.COM that I posted your message

through asking if I had received any further response which I have not even to

my postal letter.

Kathleen

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