***Vitamin D deficiencies - linked to many of our symptoms?

[Guest guest]

Sorry if this duplicates much more comprehensive coverage of nutritional factors

from recent file downloads or prior information, but it is new to me, so I am

wondering if it may be new to others also.

Check out www.womentowomen.com/healthyrnutrition/vitamind.aspx

There are probably many other links if you google it. I looked up info on

Vitamin D deficiencies after reading a bit about it on Dr Myers website, and

also after a rheumatologist decided to check me for Vit D deficiencies on the

basis of my symptoms (he seemed particularly concerned looking at my very pale

and dry skin, itchy eyes and itchy skin problems in addition to the broader case

history).

The site above draws attention to an estimated 85% of patients being tested as

deficient, highlighting symptoms such as fatigue, myalgia (aches and pains),

depression, obesity, certain cancers (eg breast cancer), insulin resistance (and

diabetes), heart disease. It also mentions Vitamin D as a key factor in the way

in which the body maintains a healthy hormonal balance and a healthy immune

system. Further it is linked with healthy breakdown and regeneration of cell

structures as well as being implicated in bone regeneration(osteoporosis) and

dental health. Finally, Vitamin D is inversely related to melatonin production,

which impacts on mood swings, food cravings sleep and insomnia.

RDA levels are WELL BELOW optimal requirements and research here appears to have

" come on a mile " in recent years, being increasingly recognised in conventional

medicine as well as in nutritional medicine. Sunlight helps - but we have had

little of this - moreover we would find it virtually impossible to get enough

from dietary sources alone. The form of Vitamin D recommended appears to be D3

.....

Personally, I have started taking a basic dose of D3 (2000iu per day - I got

mine from Dr Myhill, but it is made by Vitamin Research Products). I am already

feeling some benefits (eyes much less itchy and generally feeling just rather

better - could be coincidence, perhaps??) Some people are recommended to take as

much as 5000iu a day (but I think this is only after testing to confirm real

deficiencies).

I wonder just how many of us might benefit from this one small vitamin

supplement ....?

Vicky

[Guest guest]

PS sorry, my earlier link has an obvious spello in it: it should have read:

www.womentowomen.com/healthynutrition/vitamind.aspx

I am not sure why it does not come up automatically as a link on site (sorry

Sheila, am I doing something wrong here?)

>

> Sorry if this duplicates much more comprehensive coverage of nutritional

factors from recent file downloads or prior information, but it is new to me, so

I am wondering if it may be new to others also.

>

> Check out www.womentowomen.com/healthyrnutrition/vitamind.aspx

>

[Guest guest]

Vicky - There is much information about Vitamin D in our FILES

section. Click on FILES on the Home Page of this website, and on the page that

opens up, scroll down towards the bottom and click on the 'Vitamin D' FOLDER.

Luv - Sheila

Sorry if this duplicates much more comprehensive coverage of

nutritional factors from recent file downloads or prior information, but it is

new to me, so I am wondering if it may be new to others also.

Check out www.womentowomen.com/healthyrnutrition/vitamind.aspx

There are probably many other links if you google it. I looked up info on

Vitamin D deficiencies after reading a bit about it on Dr Myers website, and

also after a rheumatologist decided to check me for Vit D deficiencies on the

basis of my symptoms (he seemed particularly concerned looking at my very pale

and dry skin, itchy eyes and itchy skin problems in addition to the broader

case history).

[Guest guest]

Links will only be active if you are sending messages via HTLM -

if you use Plain Text, they have to be cut and pasted into Google. At least, I

think that might be the answer, otherwise, I am not sure what you mean Vicky.

Luv - Sheila

www.womentowomen.com/healthynutrition/vitamind.aspx

I am not sure why it does not come up automatically as a

link on site (sorry Sheila, am I doing something wrong here?)

[Guest guest]

> Links will only be active if you are sending messages via HTLM - if you use

> Plain Text, they have to be cut and pasted into Google. At least, I think that

> might be the answer, otherwise, I am not sure what you mean Vicky.

To make a link active, put the http:// in front. It can help to also put <>

around it. For example,

<thyroid treatment/files/ARMOUR%20%28n

atural%20dessicated%20thyroid%29/>

Messy links usually happen when people get their e-mail as text only, as I do.

I agree on Vit D3. This has been big news in Canada and the US for a while,

with the medical profession slowly, and then with haste moving from " don't take

too much " to " people out of the sun belt should take this! " I can't imagine why

the British medical people are lagging.

The generally accepted scientific view now is that anyone who lives outside of

the tropics will be vit D deficient. Once, most people lived and worked

outside, which helped, but now few do. Some people go out of their house, drive

to work, sit inside all day, come home, are in the house. Virtually no sun

exposure, and in Britain, there's very little time of the year when there's

enough strong sun anyway. If British people are gloomy, that's probably why!

Vit D deficiency is strongly linked to depression. No wonder we like our

holidays in the sun so much. We're self-medicating.

I hadn't known, however, about the link to thyroid metabolism. Thank you!

Best,

Jo

[Guest guest]

>I agree on Vit D3. This has been big news in Canada and the US for a while,

with the medical profession slowly, and then with haste moving from " don't take

too much " to " people out of the sun belt should take this! " I can't imagine why

the British medical people are lagging.

er, money for one thing and complete ignorance for another. when i asked to be

tested for d3 last year they said " don't you go out the house at all then " or

something equally ridiculous. oh yeah cause people who are very over weight and

self conscious are really going to around undressed in the sun aren't they.

[Guest guest]

Specially considering the UK lies at the same latitude as Bay in

Canada which is tundra. Because the UK is warmed by the Gulf Stream,

people here forget how high up latitude-wise they are.

schrieb:

>

> >I agree on Vit D3. This has been big news in Canada and the US for a

> while,

> with the medical profession slowly, and then with haste moving from

> " don't take

> too much " to " people out of the sun belt should take this! " I can't

> imagine why

> the British medical people are lagging.

>

> er, money for one thing and complete ignorance for another. when i

> asked to be tested for d3 last year they said " don't you go out the

> house at all then " or something equally ridiculous. oh yeah cause

> people who are very over weight and self conscious are really going to

> around undressed in the sun aren't they.

>

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What an insensitive GP...and how lacking in any real appreciation of the sheer

numbers of people with Vit D deficiencies. It is just those kind of comments

that really " get to one " as patient.

I don't think GPs always realise quite how much impact just the odd off comment

can have ...and how can they ever learn if one does not say?

Vicky

In thyroid treatment , " " <chrisjtaylor46@...> wrote:

>

> >I agree on Vit D3. This has been big news in Canada and the US for a while,

>

> er, money for one thing and complete ignorance for another. when i asked to

be tested for d3 last year they said " don't you go out the house at all then " or

something equally ridiculous. oh yeah cause people who are very over weight and

self conscious are really going to around undressed in the sun aren't they.

>

[Guest guest]

that was from a specialist in infectious diseases not GP, sorry should have

clarified. but even so, a 'specialist' should have known this too. also was

thinking that people who don't get out much in their garden (or if don't have a

garden) or who are not working and can't afford foreign holidays espeically are

likely to be even more low in vit d. all these drs are very dismissive it

seems. seems they have a notion that 'it's all in the mind' and then they

dismiss everything else

thanks for your reply Vicky

Chris

>

> What an insensitive GP...and how lacking in any real appreciation of the sheer

numbers of people with Vit D deficiencies. It is just those kind of comments

that really " get to one " as patient.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the direction Sheila. I have noticed that although I GO to the files

at intervals, for some reason I do not necessarily KNOW or remember info that is

in them, let alone FIND that info when I ought to do so before posting....(!) I

am still trying to work out quite why that is - if I had a book in front of me I

would use the index and references to look something up...for some reason I

cannot quite fathom, files sections on this (and another site I can think of)

seem not to be accessible in quite the same way. I'm not sure if this is due to

some personal idiosyncracy or whether it is a more common problem in cognitive

processing strategies that may affect others also. Sorry if this makes the post

a waste of space -

Vicky

>

> Vicky - There is much information about Vitamin D in our FILES section.

> very pale and dry skin, itchy eyes and itchy skin problems in addition to

> the broader case history).

>

[Guest guest]

Haven't read all the posts on this,so apologies if I'm repeating info, but

Medical Matters, Radio 4 ran a very interesting programme on vit d deficiency,

with case studies etc, a couple of weeks back.

Interestingly the state of being 'sub-optimal' was discussed as opposed to

diagnosed. It was suggested most of the UK is sub-optimal by the end of the

winter.

Probably stiil available as a podcast, also last week was about amaemia,

ferritin etc.

Only interjected as both subjects are relevant to many of us here.

Enjoy Sunday,

Maru

x

ps: Boots vit d supps, buy 2 get 3rd free at the mo.

[Guest guest]

Further to your post, Sheila, regarding information on Vit D in the files I have

now read these (And wow! There are a lot of them!). I have to admit, that I am

now more confused than ever! I am not sure if this is brain fog or incompetence!

One article talks about using the side effects of Vit D over-suplementation as

warning signals to reduce.....most of these symptoms are part of my normal

complaints list anyway(!) The recommendations on dosing, what form of Vit D and

how much Vit D seem to vary significantly from one paper to another...and my

understanding of the links with too much/too little calcium and various dire

consequences all lend confusion and fear to my already befuddled brain! Oh for a

simple world, simple diagnostics, simple instructions and a lack of ambiguity! I

guess we are a long way away from this - I just wish my brain was intellectually

better able to sift it all and reach my own personal conclusions

Vicky

>

>

> Thanks for the direction Sheila. I have noticed that although I GO to the

files at intervals, for some reason I do not necessarily KNOW or remember info

that is in them, let alone FIND that info when I ought to do so before

posting....(!) I am still trying to work out quite why that is - if I had a book

in front of me I would use the index and references to look something up...for

some reason I cannot quite fathom, files sections on this (and another site I

can think of) seem not to be accessible in quite the same way.

[Ed]

[Guest guest]

BBC Case Notes two weeks back

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00s0djn

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00s0djn

>

> Sorry if this duplicates much more comprehensive coverage of nutritional

factors from recent file downloads or prior information, but it is new to me, so

I am wondering if it may be new to others also.

>

> Check out www.womentowomen.com/healthyrnutrition/vitamind.aspx

>

> There are probably many other links if you google it. I looked up info on

Vitamin D deficiencies after reading a bit about it on Dr Myers website, and

also after a rheumatologist decided to check me for Vit D deficiencies on the

basis of my symptoms (he seemed particularly concerned looking at my very pale

and dry skin, itchy eyes and itchy skin problems in addition to the broader case

history).

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bob, for posting this link - interesting and clearly in the media

currently.

Vicky

> >

> > Sorry if this duplicates much more comprehensive coverage of nutritional

factors from recent file downloads or prior information, but it is new to me, so

I am wondering if it may be new to others also.

> >

> > Check out www.womentowomen.com/healthyrnutrition/vitamind.aspx

> >

> > There are probably many other links if you google it. I looked up info on

Vitamin D deficiencies after reading a bit about it on Dr Myers website, and

also after a rheumatologist decided to check me for Vit D deficiencies on the

basis of my symptoms (he seemed particularly concerned looking at my very pale

and dry skin, itchy eyes and itchy skin problems in addition to the broader case

history).

>

[Guest guest]

A US paper on Vit D. Bear in mind that most of the US is much better situated

for sun exposure a good part of the year than the UK.

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamind.asp

Side note, I know an elderly lady who got rickets in Florida because she hardly

ever went out. It was too hot for her.

Also a Canadian article for the general public on the health care costs of

vitamin deficiency..

http://www.50plus.com/Health/BrowseAllArticles/index.cfm?documentID=23362

Jo

[Guest guest]

Hi, british medical folk are always behind- maybe trying to see others errors before moving forward, but usually just inertia IMHO. > thyroid treatment > From: jobev99@...> > I agree on Vit D3. This has been big news in Canada and the US for a while, > with the medical profession slowly, and then with haste moving from "don't take > too much" to "people out of the sun belt should take this!" I can't imagine why > the British medical people are lagging.> > The generally accepted scientific view now is that anyone who lives outside of > the tropics will be vit D deficient. Once, most people lived and worked > outside, which helped, but now few do. > > Best,> > Jo> > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

Hi All tied up with the fear of the sun engendered by fear of melanoma? A nice balance is a good thing, but we don't live in an ideal world. I expect a telling off when I see doc soon as I'm very tanned from my recent holiday in the Med- I'm not wholly English so my skin reacts swiftly by tanning deeply. I do not lay in the sun ever- it's boring! > thyroid treatment > From: chrisjtaylor46@...> Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 23:08:37 +0000> Subject: Re: ***Vitamin D deficiencies - linked to many of our symptoms?> > that was from a specialist in infectious diseases not GP, sorry should have clarified. but even so, a 'specialist' should have known this too. also was thinking that people who don't get out much in their garden (or if don't have a garden) or who are not working and can't afford foreign holidays espeically are likely to be even more low in vit d. all these drs are very dismissive it seems. seems they have a notion that 'it's all in the mind' and then they dismiss everything else> > thanks for your reply Vicky> > Chris> > > > > >> > What an insensitive GP...and how lacking in any real appreciation of the sheer numbers of people with Vit D deficiencies. It is just those kind of comments that really "get to one" as patient. > > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

Hi vicky, Probably just brain fog- which bedevils many of us! > thyroid treatment > From: hobbsvic@...> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 07:08:53 +0000> Subject: Re: ***Vitamin D deficiencies - linked to many of our symptoms?> > > Thanks for the direction Sheila. I have noticed that although I GO to the files at intervals, for some reason I do not necessarily KNOW or remember info that is in them, let alone FIND that info when I ought to do so before posting....(!) I am still trying to work out quite why that is - if I had a book in front of me I would use the index and references to look something up...for some reason I cannot quite fathom, files sections on this (and another site I can think of) seem not to be accessible in quite the same way. I'm not sure if this is due to some personal idiosyncracy or whether it is a more common problem in cognitive processing strategies that may affect others also. Sorry if this makes the post a waste of space - > > Vicky> > >> > Vicky - There is much information about Vitamin D in our FILES section.> > > very pale and dry skin, itchy eyes and itchy skin problems in addition to> > the broader case history).> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

Hi , Try this:thyroid treatment/files/VITAMIN%20D3/ > thyroid treatment > From: galathea@...> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 09:53:35 +0000> Subject: Re: ***Vitamin D deficiencies - linked to many of our symptoms?> > I just decided to look up some about Vitamin D, went to the files and under the vitamin D folder, found absolutely nothing. Am I missing something here? Can someone please tell me where they found the info on vitamin D.> > Thanks..> > .> > > >> > Sorry if this duplicates much more comprehensive coverage of nutritional factors from recent file downloads or prior information, but it is new to me, so I am wondering if it may be new to others also.> > > > Check out www.womentowomen.com/healthyrnutrition/vitamind.aspx> > > > There are probably many other links if you google it. I looked up info on Vitamin D deficiencies after reading a bit about it on Dr Myers website, and also after a rheumatologist decided to check me for Vit D deficiencies on the basis of my symptoms (he seemed particularly concerned looking at my very pale and dry skin, itchy eyes and itchy skin problems in addition to the broader case history). > > > > The site above draws attention to an estimated 85% of patients being tested as deficient, highlighting symptoms such as fatigue, myalgia (aches and pains), depression, obesity, certain cancers (eg breast cancer), insulin resistance (and diabetes), heart disease. It also mentions Vitamin D as a key factor in the way in which the body maintains a healthy hormonal balance and a healthy immune system. Further it is linked with healthy breakdown and regeneration of cell structures as well as being implicated in bone regeneration(osteoporosis) and dental health. Finally, Vitamin D is inversely related to melatonin production, which impacts on mood swings, food cravings sleep and insomnia. > > > > RDA levels are WELL BELOW optimal requirements and research here appears to have "come on a mile" in recent years, being increasingly recognised in conventional medicine as well as in nutritional medicine. Sunlight helps - but we have had little of this - moreover we would find it virtually impossible to get enough from dietary sources alone. The form of Vitamin D recommended appears to be D3 ....> > > > Personally, I have started taking a basic dose of D3 (2000iu per day - I got mine from Dr Myhill, but it is made by Vitamin Research Products). I am already feeling some benefits (eyes much less itchy and generally feeling just rather better - could be coincidence, perhaps??) Some people are recommended to take as much as 5000iu a day (but I think this is only after testing to confirm real deficiencies). > > > > I wonder just how many of us might benefit from this one small vitamin supplement ....?> > > > Vicky> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

Hi , you are probably right! In self defence I have just seen that someone

else couldn't find the Vit D section when looking for it - when I looked again I

realised 2 things - firstly the files are arranged in two sets of a-z one

following the other (easy to scroll down to the bottom looking for the vit

section and think it is not there as it is in the upper section of a-z'z - a bit

tortuous which explains some problems. The other aspect, is unlike the

references in a book, where things tend to be cross referenced so you still find

things even if your conceptual framework or search name differs from that of

whoever compiles the index......(I started by looking for D for example....and

think some other vitamins are listed in this way rather than under V for

vitamin.....) Maybe books are a bit less idiosyncratic!

Vicky

>

> Hi vicky,

> Probably just brain fog- which bedevils many of us!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>All tied up with the fear of the sun engendered by fear of melanoma?

which in itself may be wrong, given what barry groves had to say on this. of

course BG may be wrong, but at least he gives a good argument

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/skin-cancer2.html

Skin Cancers and Diet

Part 2: Skin cancers — And Ultraviolet radiation

All types of skin cancer are attributed to exposure to the ultraviolet (UV) part

of the spectrum of sunlight. UV is classified as three distinct wavebands: A, B

and C. They are all believed to contribute to the development of skin cancer.

UVA rays constitute between 90% and 95% of the ultraviolet light that reaches

the earth as it is not absorbed by the ozone layer. UVA light penetrates

furthest into the skin and is involved in the initial stages of sun-tanning. UVA

tends to suppress the immune function and is implicated in premature aging of

the skin.

UVB rays are partially absorbed by the ozone layer and by the atmosphere. They

do not penetrate the skin as far as the UVA rays but are the primary cause of

sunburn. UVB is blamed for cataract formation. But UVB also our primary source

of Vitamin D.

UVC rays are the most harmful, but are almost completely absorbed by the ozone

layer.

How strong is the evidence linking exposure to sunlight with melanoma?

During the 1980s and early 1990s more than a dozen studies compared histories of

sunburn in patients with melanoma and people without it. The most complete data

on melanoma and sunburn came in 6 studies from Australia, Europe and North

America.[ii] They found the sunlight/melanoma link was unconvincing; while there

was a suggestion of an association, the effect was modest; and they emphasised

that brief periods of exposure seemed more risky than constant exposure.

Other clinicians agree. Pointing out that melanoma can be found on ovaries,

occurs less frequently on sun-exposed areas, that there is 5 times more melanoma

in Scotland on the feet than on the hands, that in Japan 40% of melanomas on the

feet are on the soles of the feet, and that there is 10 times more melanoma in

Orkney and Shetland than in the Mediterranean islands, Karnauchow writes: 'The

simplistic idea of a sun/melanoma relationship is based more on a belief than

science. . . . As with other neoplasms [cancers], the cause of melanoma remains

an enigma and most probably the sun has little, if anything, to do with

it.'[iii]

Newcastle dermatology professor, Sam Shuster, isn't convinced either. He states

that the main reason for the supposed increase in melanomas was a change in

diagnostic beliefs: lesions previously regarded as benign became classified

first as dubious then as malignant. 'Melanomas are being invented, not found,'

he says, 'Exposure to screening and pigmented lesion clinics is a greater cause

of melanoma than sun exposure.'[iv]

Dr Anne Kricker and colleagues, looking at studies into skin cancer other than

malignant melanoma and exposure to sunlight, also say that the evidence linking

skin cancers with sun exposure is weak. They note that most studies have not

found statistically significant positive associations, while the few that have

lacked empirical evidence that sun exposure was the cause.[v]

The sunscreen connection

But why has there been such an enormous increase in skin cancer recently? The

Australian experience might provide the first clue. Queensland doctors have

vigorously promoted the use of sunscreens for many years and, today, Queensland

has more cases of melanoma per head of population than any other place in the

world.

The numbers of cases of melanoma have risen especially steeply since the

mid-1970s. The two principal strategies for reduction of risk of skin cancers

during this period were sun avoidance and use of chemical sunscreens. Rising

trends in the incidence of and mortality from melanoma have continued since the

1970s and 1980s, when sunscreens with high sun protection factors became widely

used.

Significantly, the rises in malignant melanoma followed the rising use of

sunscreens.

Drs Cedric and Garland of the University of California are the foremost

opponents of the use of chemical sunscreens. They point out that the greatest

rises in melanoma are in countries where chemical sunscreens have been heavily

promoted,[vi] and add that, while sunscreens do protect against sunburn, there

is no scientific proof that they protect against melanoma or basal cell

carcinoma in humans. Indeed, the Garland brothers strongly believe that the

increased use of chemical sunscreens is the primary cause of the skin cancer

epidemic. Recent studies by them have shown a higher rate of melanoma among men

who regularly use sunscreens and a higher rate of basal cell carcinoma among

women using sunscreens.[vii] This was confirmed by another study group who found

that 'always users' of sunscreens had 3.7 times as many malignant melanomas as

those 'never using'. The reasons why chemical sunscreens may be dangerous are

several:

Chemical sunscreens do not stop UVA rays. UVA penetrates deeper into the skin

where it is strongly absorbed by the melanocytes which are involved not only in

the production of the skin-tanning pigment, melanin, but also in the formation

of melanoma.20 UVA rays also have a depressing effect on the immune

system.[viii]

More importantly, however, may be the fact that most chemical sunscreens contain

up to 5% of benzophenone or its derivatives, oxybenzone or benzophenone-3, as

their active ingredient. Benzophenone, used in industrial processes to initiate

chemical reactions and promote cross-linking,[ix] is one of the most powerful

free radical generators known to man. Moreover, benzophenone is activated by

ultraviolet light.

Harvard Medical School researchers also discovered that psoralen, another

UV-activated free radical generator, is an extremely efficient carcinogen. The

rate of SCC among patients with psoriasis, who had been repeatedly treated with

UVA light after an application of psoralen to their skin, was 83 times higher

than among the general population.[x] This added weight to a study in 1991-2, in

which scientists at the European Organisation for Research and Treatment of

Cancer (EORTC) found that regular use of sunscreens increased cancer risk by 50%

but sunscreens containing psoralen multiplied the risk by 228%. They also showed

that in people with a poor ability to tan, psoralen users had almost

four-and-a-half times the risk of melanoma compared to regular sunscreen

users.[xi]

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/fats_and_cancer.html

By the early 1980s, we were being exhorted by doctors and nutritionists to eat

more PUFs because they were 'good for us' despite the fact that Oncology Times

carried a paper in January 1980 from the University of California at that

mice fet PUFs were more prone to develop melanoma. In May 1980, the same

publication carried a similar report from Oregon State University which said

that PUFs fed to cancer-prone mice increased the numbers of cancers formed.

>

>

> Hi

> All tied up with the fear of the sun engendered by fear of

melanoma? A nice balance is a good thing, but we don't live in an ideal world. I

expect a telling off when I see doc soon as I'm very tanned from my recent

holiday in the Med- I'm not wholly English so my skin reacts swiftly by tanning

deeply. I do not lay in the sun ever- it's boring!

>

>

[Guest guest]

If I can arrange a DATABase to do the cross-reference, that might help?

Bob

>

>

> Hi Vicky,

> I think part of the problem is that not only Sheila has created

the files so they are a bit idiosyncratic as you say, but serendipity can play a

part too as you can come across other stuff of interest during a search. I do

hope you have found what you need now.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow Bob! When I mentioned my problem with finding stuff I hadn't expected and

instant resolution! I am very impressed - take it that it wasn't JUST me being

brain dead then(!)

For my part I think that anything that allows people to find things more easily

would help - if you were in the publishing industry you would have access to

someone trained up by the society of indexers...(!) ... but I doubt we have that

expertise on board at the moment. I guess Sheila and others who are involved in

running the site need to input ideas here, but for my part I would welcome

anything that rationalised data in a more accessible easy to find way. I wonder

if there are examples that could help from other websites that would provide

good prototypes perhaps? I'm not even sure how much things area already linked -

the search facility is the obvious base to ensure that links are effectively

integrated (I dont think I even checked this myself before but I should have

done - it is the alternative option if one doesn't just go to the files and do a

visual search there. From memory when I have tried the search button before it

has bought up other relevant posts - but too many of them sometimes to actually

help without having to wade through a heap of stuff before one actually gets

anywhere - with brain fuzz this can be the last straw through which one never

quite surfaces, so I am wondering if there is a way to ensure that primary

source material comes up first in the list rather than all.anything posted

Vicky

> >

> >

> > Hi Vicky,

> > I think part of the problem is that not only Sheila has created

the files so they are a bit idiosyncratic as you say, but serendipity can play a

part too as you can come across other stuff of interest during a search. I do

hope you have found what you need now.

> >

> >

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Hi Thanks for that! I shall continue going out in the sun- it makes me feel good. I don't like getting burned so I'm careful to cover up rather than relying on sunscreen- don't like the messy smelly stuff- if I'm out for a long time. I prefer olive oil to eat which is monounsaturated fat so really I miss all the predisposing factors in this article- nice to know!! I heard of interesting research that seemed to show ( sorry no link) that vit D creation in the skin did not work if the skin was too recently washed- needed to be unwashed for 48 hours for best effect! not socially acceptable, but interesting none the less. > thyroid treatment > From: chrisjtaylor46@...> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 20:24:28 +0000> > which in itself may be wrong, given what barry groves had to say on this. of course BG may be wrong, but at least he gives a good argument> > http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/skin-cancer2.html> t> > > > > Part 2: Skin cancers — And Ultraviolet radiation> > All types of skin cancer are attributed to exposure to the ultraviolet (UV) part of the spectrum of sunlight. UV is classified as three distinct wavebands: A, B and C. They are all believed to contribute to the development of skin cancer. > > Harvard Medical School researchers also discovered that psoralen, another UV-activated free radical generator, is an extremely efficient carcinogen. The rate of SCC among patients with psoriasis, who had been repeatedly treated with UVA light after an application of psoralen to their skin, was 83 times higher than among the general population.[x] This added weight to a study in 1991-2, in which scientists at the European Organisation for Research and Treatment of Cancer (EORTC) found that regular use of sunscreens increased cancer risk by 50% but sunscreens containing psoralen multiplied the risk by 228%. They also showed that in people with a poor ability to tan, psoralen users had almost four-and-a-half times the risk of melanoma compared to regular sunscreen users.[xi]> > > http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/fats_and_cancer.html> > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >