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> I have had excellent success with phentermine and with

> piracetam (Nootropil) but I don't understand the

> mechanism of these drugs

> and suffer insomnia and

> constipation when I take them in doses high enough to

> keep me at peak level

Could you please tell me how what dosing regimin you've

tried with piracetam? I planned to start my piracetam

today, but must wait until after my EEG on monday.

You may not want to write off piracetam just yet. I just

talked to a friend of mine who uses piracetam with her

son who has down's syndrome. Her son has taken it for

several years (with great success). What she's learned

to make it work better for her son:

- He can't take his " optimal " dose either because he can't

sleep. Since piracetam works so dramatically better than

anything else they've tried he takes an amount less than

" optimal " but that still allows much greater functioning.

- He used to crash every other day. They found this was

related to acetylcholine metabolism in the brain.

What they found that eliminated the crashes is mixing

800mg piracetam with 150mg of DMAE (which easily passes

the blood/brain barrier and stimulates cholinergic

activity) and 375mg each of choline & inositol) and

he takes this 2x/day. (oh yes, later she learned to

add 150mg caffeine - this prolongs the effect)

I realize the above relates to using piracetam for down's

syndrome and may or may not have anything to do with

how PWCs may react.

Another tidbit of info that may relate to piracetam usage

is a study where piracetam was shown to have no effect at

all, at any dosage, in mice who had their adrenal glands

removed. This shows that piracetam is somehow dependent

on adrenal hormones. Perhaps experimenting with things

that either suppress or promote adrenal hormones may allow

more fine tuning.

Patti

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Angie,

When my daughter was in first grade, we too put her on Ritalin-- She started

doing things in 3's and stopping the Ritalin did indeed stop the OCD.

However, in 5th grade, the OCD appeared full blown anyway-- I think the

general consensus is that Ritalin can bring out the symptoms and worsen them,

but that the OCD is present first.

Ellen/NY

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Hi

My daughter was just prescribed Ritalin to give her energy,speed up her metabolism,and wake her up.She is also on Zoloft and the combination seems to be working at the present time.She was sleeping this summer anywhere from 18 to 22 hours a day and didn't want to get up.It hasn't made her OCD any worse and all of her OCD issues and school issues have vastly improved.

Theresa

ritalin

Hi everyone,

I have a friend whos little boy has been on ritalin for three years. During those three years her son developed OCD. She had stopped the ritalin because his doses were getting high. He was taking 30mg every 3 hrs. She stopped givinging the ritalin to him and her son's OCD stopped. He didn't develope ocd until he was placed on Ritalin. Now that he is off the ocd is gone. She said that the phrarmacist told her OCD was a side effect. THe doctor told her that if a child was predisposed to having OCD then the ritalin would bring it out. Well her little boy has no OCD it was from the ritalin. Just thought this maybe helpful to anyone out there who is battleling OCD and their child is on ritalin.

Take care

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In a message dated 9/25/00 11:44:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< nathan became aggressive when on cylert and when on clonidine, but

ritalin,

a narcotic stimulant, does wonders on him. shawna. >>

a:

Isn't that weird about kids being able to tolerate different med's??

was on Ritalin and started NEW behaviors after being on it for a month....he

started hitting, spitting, kicking, and lost his appetite completely.....I

almost contemplated putting his G-tube back in!!

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Hello, I will contest to the fact that durring a 6month period when my

daughter was off anti-ocd meds and only on Ritalin then switched to

Adderall her anxiety soared which in turn made her ocd get full blown again.

The pychiatrist that we went to see said that stimulants were absolutley the

wrong type of med for her. Nikki in O'town

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In a message dated 9/25/00 5:26:02 PM Mountain Daylight Time, ANGELO5@...

writes:

<<

Hello, I will contest to the fact that durring a 6month period when my

daughter was off anti-ocd meds and only on Ritalin then switched to

Adderall her anxiety soared which in turn made her ocd get full blown again.

The pychiatrist that we went to see said that stimulants were absolutley the

wrong type of med for her. Nikki in O'town

>>

I was also cautioned that stimulants such as ritalin were absolutely wrong

for my daughter and would make her symptoms worse (OCD, Tourettes Syndrome,

ADHD). The only treatment I use for the ADHD is clonadine. Zoloft for the

OCD, loxapine for Tourettes.

Jay in Colorado

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Hi Jay, I just thought I would add that the clonadine made

concentration level go out the window and she said her mind felt blank. She

couldnt think about anything or copy things from a book to paper, think how

to do a math problem and forgot most of her mult. tables.When we stopped it

all these things went away, she only took it for 8days. Just thought I'd add

that, take care! Nikki in O'town

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Hi: My son also has AD/HD and OCD. He was initially

treated with trials of Dexedrine and Adderall. He had

horrific problems with rebound from Dexedrine and

Adderall appeared to be a much better choice for him.

We did not see his compulsive behaviour increase but

we did not see a decrease in his tantrums over his

needin things to be a certain way and his ocd type

behaviour did move on to include more symptoms. We

finally decided to add Prozac, which allowed him to

function, decreased the frequency, duration and

intensity of his meltdowns and has allowed him to

paricipate in society, which was not completely the

case pre-prozac. We did switch to Celexa this summer

and we had to put him back on Prozac just as school

was starting. He is no longer taking Adderall. We

have switched to Concerta - the new 12hr.

methylfenidate(Ritalin). This drug is allowing my son

to concentrate well enough to have spent most of him

time in his classroom! Last year he spent most of his

time in the special ed suite. We have not experienced

rebound with this medication with the exception of the

time period that we were fooling with dosages - I can

also tell when it wears off in the evening. We are

also seeing his transition better than he has been

able to in the past. He has been on it almost a month

so I am hopeful that this may be what he needs for

now. Has anyone else started Concerta yet?

--- Jay7138658@... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/25/00 5:26:02 PM Mountain

> Daylight Time, ANGELO5@...

> writes:

>

> <<

> Hello, I will contest to the fact that durring a

> 6month period when my

> daughter was off anti-ocd meds and only on

> Ritalin then switched to

> Adderall her anxiety soared which in turn made her

> ocd get full blown again.

> The pychiatrist that we went to see said that

> stimulants were absolutley the

> wrong type of med for her. Nikki in O'town

> >>

>

> I was also cautioned that stimulants such as ritalin

> were absolutely wrong

> for my daughter and would make her symptoms worse

> (OCD, Tourettes Syndrome,

> ADHD). The only treatment I use for the ADHD is

> clonadine. Zoloft for the

> OCD, loxapine for Tourettes.

> Jay in Colorado

>

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I found the posting on Ritalin.

Shelby, you say you've been taking Ritalin. Are you AIH? How long? How much Prednisone are you taking now?

Harper (AIH 5/00)

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Harper, I was dx in November I started Imuran and

Predinose then. I started Ritalin two weeks ago and I

can tell the difference in my engery levels. There

are few side effects to that medicine (probaly the

only one I know of) but it seems to be working.

I thank all you for the help with the tan. I will

try self tanners and see if that works. Little red

dots are not fun. I have the " rash " but it is gone now

Thank God. I love all the great information that I am

getting from this group. Thanks

Shelby

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nathan now 9yrs had been on ritalin since he was around 3-4years old, and it

slowed him downt trememdously!!But he would be moody on it and we would have

to give it every 3-4hours up to 3xs daily, now for a month we have been on

concerta, and its much nicer, no appetite loss, only once a day med time,

and he is even calm in th eevening. But i think one has to be successful

with ritalin before they will consider concerta ( a newwer form of time

released ritalin) also takes luvox 25mg daily to help with OCD, but we

will try to up it in may because it is helping his mood (also an

antidepressent)but not the constant obsessing with things, especially his

clothing and shoes. The docs say too that with a person like nathan or

add/hd, one doesnt have to worry about addiction, it doesnt work that way on

these types of people. shawna.

>From: " Lori Ali " <lali@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: ritalin

>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:20:47 -0400

>

>He everyone, we have been in North Carolina visting my mom, and I am trying

>to read all the post.

>

>Terry {{{prayers going out to your son and dil and the baby, my friend just

>had a baby at 27 weeks 1 lb 7 oz and she is 3 months now and doing great,

>hang in there}}}}

>

> I can't believe they are doing this to you it has to be illegal, you

>are in my prayers and I hope everything works out for you.

>

>Took Tommy to the psych today and they put him on ritalin, he was diagnosed

>with adhd about 1 month ago. He is only on 1/2 of a 5mg tablet 2 times a

>day, along with seroqual twice a day at 25 mg and 5 clonidine at bedtime.

>Is anyone elses child on ritalin, I can't remember they said it would

>either slow him down or speed him up I can give it 2 days if he is more

>hyper take him off. I feel so bad trying it but if it could slow him down

>just a little he would do so much better. Let me know of any experiences

>you have good or bad.

>

>Thanks {{{prayers to anyone else I missed having a difficult time}}}}}}

>

>

>Lori mom to Tommy 6 ds,autism, adhd, crohns disease

>

>

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a,

Just curious....did you or anyone else on this list try Zoloft? Gene saw Dr.

Bonnie in Cincinnati last week. She was great and so was the

speech pathologist that works with her. She didn't really have much new info

for us, but she thought Zoloft was one SSRI that helped with the sensory

issues pretty well. Gene isn't currently on any meds but I find at school he

has trouble doing desk work because he is rather unfocused, rocking, etc. We

do sensory acitivities every two hours but by 2PM, they pretty much have lost

him with working at his desk for even short periods of time.

I haven't seen alot about Zoloft on this list....she also recommended Paxil.

Any thoughts?

Lauri , mom to Gene age 12 in MI

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yes we tried both paxil and zoloft with bad results, sorry. nathan also does

lts of SI throughout his school day, this seems to help him lots, not

completely, but he is better with it, than he was without it.shawna.

>From: timothytlstein@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: ritalin

>Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:13:10 EDT

>

>a,

>

>Just curious....did you or anyone else on this list try Zoloft? Gene saw

>Dr.

>Bonnie in Cincinnati last week. She was great and so was the

>speech pathologist that works with her. She didn't really have much new

>info

>for us, but she thought Zoloft was one SSRI that helped with the sensory

>issues pretty well. Gene isn't currently on any meds but I find at school

>he

>has trouble doing desk work because he is rather unfocused, rocking, etc.

>We

>do sensory acitivities every two hours but by 2PM, they pretty much have

>lost

>him with working at his desk for even short periods of time.

>

>I haven't seen alot about Zoloft on this list....she also recommended

>Paxil.

>Any thoughts?

>

>Lauri , mom to Gene age 12 in MI

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Lauri,

tried Zoloft a couple of years ago. At first I thought there was a

difference, but then he started having " outbursts " ...I don't know how else to

describe them. He would start making a kind of yelling-growling noise and it

would get louder and louder. Eventually, it was loud enough to hear across

the street from inside our house. The episodes had a beginning and end and

occurred several times per day. They started after we started the Zoloft and

ended when he was off of it.

Terry

Mom to , 14 yrs.

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Your welcome. May have more to pass your way soon.

Ellen

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Ritalin

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> Breggin MD expert on Ritalin as well as other drugs

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93092/Breggin__MD_000980346307/

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> The drugging of preschoolers is on the rise, study shows -- April 2000

> Educatio

> http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/2000/apr00/drugging-preschoolers.html

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> Britain Ritalin ban recommended for children under five years of age.

> http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/sep2000/rit-s09.shtml

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> Court says claim against Ritalin " vague, unclear "

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> DEA - Publications - Press Releases Ritalin - September 13, 1995.htm

> momsoftheheart/message/7545

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> Did Company Overpromote ADD-ADHD, Ritalin

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> FDA Search Ritalin

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> Is Ritalin Keeping Your Child and You Awake at .

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http://cbshealthwatch.medscape.com/medscape/p/G_library/article.asp?RecID=20

5404 & Channel=18

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> Is Ritalin Raising Kids To Be Drug Addicts -- Phyllis Schlafly June 21,

> 2000 co

> http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2000/june00/00-06-21.html

>

> Is Ritalin a Quick Fix?

>

http://www.psycport.com/news/2000/12/26/eng-startribune/eng-startribune_0145

35_217_806647324469.html

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>

> Lawsuit Accuses Ritalin and the APA

> http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/EMIHC000/333/8895/297883.html

>

> Lawsuits Allege Conspiracy in Ritalin Use; Congressman Urges Probe of

> Abuses

>

http://pediatrics.medscape.com/reuters/prof/2000/09/09.15/20000915legl001.ht

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> Methylphenidate (Ritalin).htm

> momsoftheheart/message/8417

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> Methylphenidate Research Ritalin

> http://www.mentalhealth.com/drugrs/f33-r03.html

>

> More Ritalin Hearings.htm

> http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa092000a.htm

>

> New Research/ Shrinks Win Ritalin Battle

> momsoftheheart/message/8568

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> This is the story to go with my previous post

> Parents Told to Give Child Ritalin.htm

> http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa081700a.htm

>

> Pharmacy Attackd Over Ritalin.htm

> http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa100400a.htm

>

> Psychiatric drug use in toddlers soars

> http://www.msnbc.com/news/373292.asp

>

> Rising use of psychiatric drugs in toddler cases called alarming

> http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/archives/2000/feb/23/risinguse23.htm

>

> Ritalin

> http://www.tiac.net/users/smilsch/home/ritalin.htm

>

> Ritalin (METHYLPHENIDATE HYDROCHLORIDE )

> http://bnf.org/scripts/display2.dll/openat?ID=31967

>

> Ritalin Class Action Suit

> http://keirsey.com/ritalinsuit.html

>

> Ritalin Faces Competition As More ADHD Children Are Diagnosed

> http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/EMIHC000/333/333/306473.html

>

> Ritalin On the Ropes 10-1-00.htm

> http://www.mercola.com/2000/oct/1/ritalin.htm

>

> Ritalin Suit; Funding For Special Ed.

> message/momsoftheheart/3001

>

> Ritalin Violence Against Boys.htm

> http://www.massnews.com/vioboy.htm

>

> Ritalin and Clonidine found not to increase Tics.htm

> http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa101700a.htm

>

> Scandal! They Haven't Tested Ritalin on the Children It's Prescribed For!

> Scand

> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64888-2000Dec29.html

>

> Suits Charge Conspiracy by Maker and Doctors' Group to Expand Ritalin Use

> http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/14/science/14RITA.html

>

> Teen are using Ritalin to get High

> http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/EMIHC000/333/333/301906.html

>

> Texas School Board Adopts Resolution --Opposing Psychiatric Drugs for

> Children

> http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/2001/jan01/tx-school-bd.shtml

>

> The ADD Press Kit.htm Ritalin Lawsuits

> http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa091900a.htm

>

> The Ritalin Resolution in Texas.htm

> http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa110600a.htm

>

> The Ritalin Wars Continue 1-7-01.htm

> http://www.mercola.com/2001/jan/7/add_ritalin.htm

>

> UK Drug Watchdog Approves Ritalin Use

> http://pediatrics.medscape.com/29424.rhtml?srcmp=ped-110300

>

> US Courts Forcing Parents to Medicate Kids for ADD/ADHD

> http://www.mercola.com/2000/aug/13/courts_adhd.htm

>

> US parents sue psychiatrists for promoting Ritalin

> http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/321/7263/723

>

> Untested Ritalin/Prozac Combination Used by More Children

> http://www.mercola.com/2000/may/21/ritalin_prozac_adhd.htm

>

> WHY ARE SO MANY KIDS ON RITALIN.htm

> http://www.mercola.com/1998/oct/12/ritalin.htm

>

> Washington Post Health 1999 May 25 Running at Ritalin. - thrive@health

> http://www.thriveonline.com/health/Library/CAD/abstract951.html

>

> What you should know about Ritalin

>

http://humanrights.about.com/newsissues/humanrights/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?s

ite=http%3A%2F%2Fpages.cthome.net%2Fhenry-helps%2Findex.html

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>

>

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> Ellen

> ladylumbee@...

> I do not suffer from my insanity***I ENJOY every second of it.

> hehe haha hoho

>

>

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WONDERFUL! THANKS I will keep this for when I need backup. (smile)

Margaret White

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<ladylumbee@ne <Vaccinations >

tease.net> cc: <JILBAIT@...>

Subject: Ritalin

05/14/2001

02:16 PM

Please respond

to

Vaccinations

Breggin MD expert on Ritalin as well as other drugs

momsoftheheart/links/Experts_for_Court_00098039309\

2/Breggin__MD_000980346307/

The drugging of preschoolers is on the rise, study shows -- April 2000

Educatio

http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/2000/apr00/drugging-preschoolers.html

Britain Ritalin ban recommended for children under five years of age.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/sep2000/rit-s09.shtml

Court says claim against Ritalin " vague, unclear "

http://www.individual.com/servlet/BuildIssue?mode=topics & content_src=/frames/sto\

\ry.shtml%3fstory=b0313051.8rg%26level3=552%26date=20010314%26inIssue=TRUE

DEA - Publications - Press Releases Ritalin - September 13, 1995.htm

momsoftheheart/message/7545

Did Company Overpromote ADD-ADHD, Ritalin

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/ritalin_lawsuit0808.html

FDA Search Ritalin

message/momsoftheheart/5832

Is Ritalin Keeping Your Child and You Awake at .

http://cbshealthwatch.medscape.com/medscape/p/G_library/article.asp?RecID=205404\

& Channel=18

Is Ritalin Raising Kids To Be Drug Addicts -- Phyllis Schlafly June 21,

2000 co

http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2000/june00/00-06-21.html

Is Ritalin a Quick Fix?

http://www.psycport.com/news/2000/12/26/eng-startribune/eng-startribune_014535_2\

17_806647324469.html

Lawsuit Accuses Ritalin and the APA

http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/EMIHC000/333/8895/297883.html

Lawsuits Allege Conspiracy in Ritalin Use; Congressman Urges Probe of

Abuses

http://pediatrics.medscape.com/reuters/prof/2000/09/09.15/20000915legl001.html

Methylphenidate (Ritalin).htm

momsoftheheart/message/8417

Methylphenidate Research Ritalin

http://www.mentalhealth.com/drugrs/f33-r03.html

More Ritalin Hearings.htm

http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa092000a.htm

New Research/ Shrinks Win Ritalin Battle

momsoftheheart/message/8568

This is the story to go with my previous post

Parents Told to Give Child Ritalin.htm

http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa081700a.htm

Pharmacy Attackd Over Ritalin.htm

http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa100400a.htm

Psychiatric drug use in toddlers soars

http://www.msnbc.com/news/373292.asp

Rising use of psychiatric drugs in toddler cases called alarming

http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/archives/2000/feb/23/risinguse23.htm

Ritalin

http://www.tiac.net/users/smilsch/home/ritalin.htm

Ritalin (METHYLPHENIDATE HYDROCHLORIDE )

http://bnf.org/scripts/display2.dll/openat?ID=31967

Ritalin Class Action Suit

http://keirsey.com/ritalinsuit.html

Ritalin Faces Competition As More ADHD Children Are Diagnosed

http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/EMIHC000/333/333/306473.html

Ritalin On the Ropes 10-1-00.htm

http://www.mercola.com/2000/oct/1/ritalin.htm

Ritalin Suit; Funding For Special Ed.

message/momsoftheheart/3001

Ritalin Violence Against Boys.htm

http://www.massnews.com/vioboy.htm

Ritalin and Clonidine found not to increase Tics.htm

http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa101700a.htm

Scandal! They Haven't Tested Ritalin on the Children It's Prescribed For!

Scand

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64888-2000Dec29.html

Suits Charge Conspiracy by Maker and Doctors' Group to Expand Ritalin Use

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/14/science/14RITA.html

Teen are using Ritalin to get High

http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/EMIHC000/333/333/301906.html

Texas School Board Adopts Resolution --Opposing Psychiatric Drugs for

Children

http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/2001/jan01/tx-school-bd.shtml

The ADD Press Kit.htm Ritalin Lawsuits

http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa091900a.htm

The Ritalin Resolution in Texas.htm

http://www.add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa110600a.htm

The Ritalin Wars Continue 1-7-01.htm

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jan/7/add_ritalin.htm

UK Drug Watchdog Approves Ritalin Use

http://pediatrics.medscape.com/29424.rhtml?srcmp=ped-110300

US Courts Forcing Parents to Medicate Kids for ADD/ADHD

http://www.mercola.com/2000/aug/13/courts_adhd.htm

US parents sue psychiatrists for promoting Ritalin

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/321/7263/723

Untested Ritalin/Prozac Combination Used by More Children

http://www.mercola.com/2000/may/21/ritalin_prozac_adhd.htm

WHY ARE SO MANY KIDS ON RITALIN.htm

http://www.mercola.com/1998/oct/12/ritalin.htm

Washington Post Health 1999 May 25 Running at Ritalin. - thrive@health

http://www.thriveonline.com/health/Library/CAD/abstract951.html

What you should know about Ritalin

http://humanrights.about.com/newsissues/humanrights/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=\

http%3A%2F%2Fpages.cthome.net%2Fhenry-helps%2Findex.html

Ellen

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Wow. That was a mass of info. Thanks Lady Lumbee

I am not a medical doctor,

nor do I portray one on t.v.

(but my husband,Mike,is!)

Laurie< Ohio

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Just a year or so ago - here in Huntsville (AL) - a 17 yr old boy who

had been on ritalin and other meds for his 'ADHD " took a hatchet and

killed both of his parents, and attacked 3 of his 4 siblings (the 4th

child was not home at the time) tried to attack a neighbor, then went on

a high speed chase with the police until he crashed his car and was

caught. One of the siblings - a 6 yr old brother - was in a coma for

months from his injuries and is now permanently physically and mentally

disabled, another has some brain damage and all 4 are having great

emotional damage from this event.

His lawyers are planning a major lawsuit against ritalin makers and also

from his psychologist, etc. The boy says that the ritalin made him high

and he would take increasingly higher doses and the psy. would just

continue to give him refills.

I would also like to mention that of the 3 children that I personally

know - have been close to - that were given ritalin as youngsters ---

all three are now drug addicts --- all three were basically good kids -

never what i would consider hyper at all - 2 of them (boys) had very

lenient parents, ... very little discipline (if any) at all ---. the

oldest of these boys is now 21 and everytime he finds himself in trouble

he uses his ADHD as an excuse- that's why he did this or that - poor boy

can't help it (getting drunk, having a car accident and leaving the

scene then lying about it)...now what does that have to do with

ADHD?----- the 3d was a girl who was verbally abused by the mom who

adopted her and i would say she was probably 'over' disciplined to the

point of (i think) abuse. All 3 had inappropriate discipline. Of all

the children that I have met that have been on ritalin - I have found

this to be a common thread - either NO discipline or very severe

discipline. Children who have rules and are made to follow them do not

seem to have this " problem " of ADHD. When the schools were able to

discipline students there didn't seem to be any ADHD either. Some say

there were kids with ADHD way back when they just didn't call it that -

well seems like the teachers and parents back then knew the answer and

it wasn't medication. Those students apparently learned to control

their " ADHD " - without ritalin - if they could control it then students

should be able to 'control' it now.

I had a niece that went to kindergarten and would not say a word. She

went the whole year without ever saying one word to the teacher or the

other kids. At home she would talk up a storm. She would come to visit

us and would be talking a blue streak to my daughters but would not say

anything when my husband or I came in the room. Of course, we would

pamper and pet her and pretty much beg her to talk to us but she

wouldn't. We would take her to Mcs and ask her what she wanted

and she wouln't even shake her head yes or no when we tried to find out

what to order for her. We would just order her the same as our girls

were eating. One day I had enough - we went to Mcs and I asked

her what she wanted and again all I got was the silent treatment. I

said ok ... I guess you don't want anything. If you can't answer me I'm

not ordering you anything. Well, lo and behold, in this tiny little

voice came " I want a cheeseburger " . I never made a big deal about it

but ordered her a cheeseburger. This silent bit only happened a few

more times at our house and we handled it the same way and soon she was

talking all the time.

Anyway in kindergarten that year she ended up failing - they did not

know she could read, and the 'poor little thing' was socially way

behind, she was going to counselors every week and again would not talk

- not a word. I asked her mom why she didn't do something and 'make'

her talk at school. She was like " i asked her why she didn't talk and

she just shrugs her shoulders, i don't know why she won't talk " . I told

her mom about what we had done and how it worked so well but still she

refused to do anything - just let her go on to school every day and not

say a word and go to counseling every week and never speak.

Well, the first day of the next school year arrives and the mom was sick

so I got to take my niece to school for her. Here we go into the

classroom to meet her kindergarten teacher - teacher talks to her and

nothing - not a word - I said excuse us just a moment -- took my niece

out into the hallway and told her if she did not answer the teacher when

she spoke to her that I would spank her backside. we went back into the

room - teacher spoke, my niece answered and from then on she talked

every day in school. Everyone was amazed that all of a sudden she was

talking. This child is now 17 and a straight A student and will tell

you that the reason she did not talk is that she liked all the attention

she got from not talking. the miracle cure of discipline worked great.

Something to think about.

Just thought i would throw this in there along with all the other talk

about ritalin.

Reba

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--- kd1219@... wrote:

> Just a year or so ago - here in Huntsville (AL) - a

> 17 yr old boy who

> had been on ritalin and other meds for his 'ADHD "

> took a hatchet and

> killed both of his parents ...

{Etc.}

Manson never took Ritalin. Jack the Ripper

never took Ritalin. Albert DeSalvo never took Ritalin.

Ted Bundy never took Ritalin. Dahmer never

took Ritalin.

Gee, I don't know about you, but I'm starting to see a

real pattern here! Maybe *everybody* should take

Ritalin!

Come on, folks, give it up. Unless you've got real,

useful medical or educational information to share,

keep your finger off that " send " key.

Dan Kennedy

Internet services coordinator

Little People of America, Inc.

http://www.lpaonline.org

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I disagree, Dan. I also think you were missing the point. I believe

that Reba (correct me if I'm wrong) was trying to point out the

affects Ritalin CAN have on an individual. And How severe discipline

or lack of can also affect someone. I believe she was also trying to

point out how People USE their disability for excuses. And how people

instead of trying to fix the problems, and get to the real issues,

they use medication instead. I don't think this has anything to do

with People like Jack the Ripper, or Ted Bundy, etc, we are talking

about people who are on these medications, not those who aren't. I

don't think people are trying to say that everybody should take

Drugs.

I understand where everyone is coming from. And I do agree with most

everyone. I do believe that 70%, if not more, of the children on

Ritalin shouldn't even be on it. My own nephew is one of them, and

he's on it because my sister doesn't want to deal with him. And same

with my cousin. But I do agree that SOMETIMES we need medication for

an different things, and some cases. I believe that everyone has

pointed out some really good facts, opinions, etc. I think this is a

great topic! I also think that this DOES have things to do with

Disabilities, dwarfism, and I believe that all this is useful medical

and educational information.

I could say more on this topic, but everything I want to say, has

been pretty much covered!

a

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Manson never took Ritalin. Jack the Ripper never took

Ritalin. Albert DeSalvo never took Ritalin. Ted Bundy never took

Ritalin. Dahmer never took Ritalin.

Gee, I don't know about you, but I'm starting to see a real pattern

here! Maybe *everybody* should take Ritalin!

Come on, folks, give it up. Unless you've got real, useful medical or

educational information to share, keep your finger off that " send "

key.

Dan Kennedy

Internet services coordinator

Little People of America, Inc

all three are now drug addicts --- all three were basically good

kids -never what i would consider hyper at all - 2 of them (boys) had

very lenient parents, ... very little discipline (if any) at all ---.

the oldest of these boys is now 21 and everytime he finds himself in

trouble he uses his ADHD as an excuse- that's why he did this or that

- poor boy can't help it (getting drunk, having a car accident and

leaving the scene then lying about it)...now what does that have to

do with ADHD?----- the 3d was a girl who was verbally abused by the

mom who adopted her and i would say she was probably 'over'

disciplined to the point of (i think) abuse. All 3 had

inappropriate discipline. Of all the children that I have met that

have been on ritalin - I have found this to be a common thread -

either NO discipline or very severe discipline. Children who have

rules and are made to follow them do not seem to have this " problem "

of ADHD. When the schools were able to discipline students there

didn't seem to be any ADHD either. Some say there were kids with

ADHD way back when they just didn't call it that - well seems like

the teachers and parents back then knew the answer and it wasn't

medication. Those students apparently learned to control their

" ADHD " - without ritalin - if they could control it then students

should be able to 'control' it now.

Something to think about.

Just thought i would throw this in there along with all the other

talk about ritalin.

Reba

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