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is amphetamine so will test positive...doctors statement GCMS would differentiate the two..regards,rrobin murray <remurraymd@...> wrote: methyl 2-phenyl-2-(2-piperidyl)acetate Identifiers CAS number 113-45-1 ATC code N06BA04 PubChem 4158 DrugBank APRD00657 Chemical data Formula C14H19NO2 Mol. weight 233.306 g/mol Pharmacokinetic data Bioavailability 11–52% Metabolism Liver Half life 2–4 hours Excretion Urine ritalin mostly renal some liver though probably not a factor due to short half life...regards,rlilibit007aol wrote: PS prescribed ritalin Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. __________________________________________________

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ONE I DO NOT THINK AD/HD IS A FICTICIOUS DISEASE I BELIEVE IT TRULY EXISTS . I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU CAN TAKE CERTAIN FOODS AWAY AND ALL WILL BE OKAY MAYBE WITH SOMEKIDS BUT NOT ALL KIDS.MY SON LOVES A LOT OF TV SHOWS WOULD LOVE TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES BUT CANNOT SIT STILL LONG ENOUGH TO FOCUS . ALSO HOW CAN IT BE FOOD WHEN NOT ALL KIDS HAVE IT MY 2 SONS HAVE IT (ALONG WITH OTHER DISORDERS) MY OTHER 2 CHILDREN DO NOT HAVE IT .MY SON I THINK WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP AND SIT AND WATCH MOVIES AND READ HIS BOOKS AND WORK ON THE PUTER BUT HE SIMPLY CANNOT DO IT.I GET SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE THINKING JUST CUZ THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN IT MEANS IT IS NOT REAL .LOOK AT HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE FIBROMAYLGIA(SP) SOME DRS SWEATR IT EXISTS OTHERS DO NOT .BUT JUST CUZ THEY DONT BELIEVE IT DOENST MENA IT DOESNT EXISTS.TO ALSO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE PARENTS ARE JUST WANTIING TO MEDICATE THE KIDS TO GET RID

OF BEHAVIORSOR CUZ SCHOOL IS BORING ....NEWS FLASH SCHOOL HAS ALWAYS BEEN BORING AND NTO SOEMTHING KIDS WANT TO GO TO I KNOW I DIDNT WANT TO AND I WASNT ADHD I ATE PRIMARILY THE SAME FOODS MY KIDS EAT (MINUS SCHOOL LUNCHES MY MOM PACKED)WHY IS ADHD BECOMMING MORE PREVALENT NOW.ENVIRONMENTAL TRIGGERS VERY WELL CAN BE MAKING IT COME ABOUT .BUT I GET TIRED OF HEARING IT DOENS T EXIST AND THE DRUG COMPANIES WANT THE MONEY SO THEY ARE PUSHING IT( HEY WHEN AIDS STARTED AND INCREASED SO FAST WAS THAT JUST CUZ THE DRUG COMPANIES WANTED MONEY.ENOUGH WITH THE CONSPIRACIES .CHRIST MY KIDS HAVE HAD PROBLEMS SINCE ONE AND A HALF .MY SON HAS HAD TO BE ON MEDS SINCE HE WAS 4 ( HE WASNT EATING JUNK THEN EITHER NOTHING I WASNT EATING AT THE SAME AGE) IF HE WASNT MEDICATED MY HOUSE I WAS LIVING IN WOULDNT BE STANDING HE TRHEW THINGS BROKE THINGS SCREAMED OTHER THINGS HE COULDNT SIT LONG ENOUGH TO EAT .

IM NOT SURE IF U POSTED THIS TO SHOW US WOW THIS IS WHAST THESE IDIOT MAGS ARE PRINTING (SORRY I THINK IT HAS ENOUGH BACKING TO BE IN THE PSCYHIATRY THAT IS MENTIONED BELOW)

BUT TO SAY THAT THIS DISORDER DOESNT EXIST IS BULL THAT IS LIKE SAYING NEITHER AUTISM NOR MENTAL RETARDATION EXIST I MEAN MY SONS HAVE HFA,MR,THE ONE ON TOP OF THAT HAS TOURETTES,MOOD DISORDER,AD/HD.THEY HAVE IT .AND THEY ALL ARE REAL.AND TREATABLE

NOW AS TO RITILIN SAYING IT STUNTED GROWTH HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE THEY DO MED CHECKS TO MAKE SURE THE KID GROWS ( THEY LOOK MORE AT INCHES UP THEN POUNDS)

UMM PROOF THAT ADHD WAS MADE UP FROM THE PHARMACUTICAL COMPANIES UM WHEN WAS IT MADE UP CUZ MY BROTHER HAD IT WHEN HE WAS A CHILD HE IS 38 NOW HE WAS ON RITILIN ALSO MY DR DID MENTION THE POSSIBLE GROWTH PROBLEM MY SON IS NOT UNDERWEIGHT NOR SHORT FOR HIS AGE OR NOT GROWING AT THE RATE HE SHOULD BE GROWING ALSO THE MEDS ARE NOT PURSUED TO MAKE MY LIFE EASY IT IS TO HELP MY SON BE ABLE TO SIT AND EAT ,TO BE ABLE TO SIT AND WORK ON PAPERS(EVEN ONES HE LOVES TO DO ) HE NEEDS MEDS TO SLEEP OR HE WONT SLEEP NOW IF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO ANTI MEDICATION OR ADHD DONT EXIST THEY ARE WELCOME TO SPEND A 2 WEEK PERIOD AT MY HOUSE (OVER NIGHT OF COURSE) WITH MY 2 SONS (AND I WILL HAVE THEM OFF MEDS ) AND THEY CAN CARE TAKE THEM HEY CAN TRY TO HELP THESE KIDS TRY TO EAT,WASH,SLEEP,PLAY,INTERACT, BUT OF COURSE THERE MORE THAN LIKJELY WILL BE NO TAKERS .

WHAT EVER I DO FOR MY CHILD BY WAY OF MEDICATION IS NOT JUST FOR HIS HEALTH BUT FOR THE HEALTH AND WELL BEING OF MY OTHER CHILDREN AND MY SELF AND I TAKE GREAT OFFENCE TO BE REFERRED TO AS A PERSON WHO IS WANTING MEDS FOR MY OWN SAKE ( IMPLIED BY THE ARTICLE BELOW .THE MEDICATION DOES HELP ALSO ASK THE TEACHERS,ASK THE RELATIVES OF MY KIDS,ASK THE CHURCH MY KIDS BELING TO THEY ALL HAVE SEEN MY KIDS WITH MEDS AND WITH OUT .

BASICALLY IN A NUTSHELL I TAKE OFFENCE TO THIS ARTICLE AND I FEEL IT IS NOTHING BUT A CONSPIRACY THEORY AND NOTHING BUT BULLSHIT .......

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New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug

companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them.

Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. "Nutritional research has shown that the

symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless

memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises.

Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of

numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.)

Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated

with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and

stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth,

psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about

the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder.

The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych

doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods.

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Actually - it has been proven over and over again that kids who are medicated for their adhd are LESS likely to self medicate with amphetamines.Jensunrose101@... wrote: http://www.newstarget.com/021944.html New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent

Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the

growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them. Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real

concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines."Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is

that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises. Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time

that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.) Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are

too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only

medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as

giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership," in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when

it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder. The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern

psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods. Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine Get a

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Dear Jen,

I didn't write it! Just thought it interesting, because I did notice that the year my daughter was in a 7th grade self-contained classroom (and the only girl) that the fifteen boys, who couldn't do school work well, couldn't read well, had no trouble with Sports Illustrated or other reading material that interested them. And most of them were extremely articulate, as well. I don't think any of them were on ritalin, as it was not perhaps that popular.

I haven't the faintest idea whether it stunts growth or leads to more drugs. Just have read that sometimes kids sell their ritalin. I found the article interesting, and Mike is usually pretty right on.

I hope your packing and everything are going well!

That angel is already sent before you, preparing your place in Ark.

Is Max definitely moving there to join you? That would be wonderful, as you'll have his girlfriend too.

Love,

Francine

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Actually - it has been proven over and over again that kids who are medicated for their adhd are LESS likely to self medicate with amphetamines.Jensunrose101aol wrote:

http://www.newstarget.com/021944.html

New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them.

Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines."Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises.

Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.)

Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership," in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder.

The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods.

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hey when u read my responce to this i want u to know i know u didnt write it i was aiming my remarks to the article and the thinking provesses of that guy who wrote it .some kids do sell their meds but in saying some may not be selling them cuz they know what it does and so forth some may sell them from many things (bullying,fitting in,or cuz the parents let the kids self medicate i myself will nto let my kids self medicate with this kind of meds (when they are of age that is my sons 13 and he isnt capable of self administering the medication)i also had noticed that kids can concentrate on things that may intersts them but i think that also goes to the severity of the adhd i asked a wrap around service how bad is my son with the adhd compared to other kids with it (that they work with ) on a scale of 1 to 10 he was a 9.some kids they may have it for focusing and some with the

hyperactivity and soem with both some people dont look at that part of it nto every kid who has add is bouncing off the walls and vice versa although with hyper part u tend to have the add part (cant sit still)my son is prolly smarter than what he registers ( one has a 62 iq and the other a 64 iq they are 13 and 11) but what sets him back and the teachers and drs agree is he cant sit still long enough to tell u the answer he fidgets and moves all over the place right now with him being 11 they are trying to get him to stay on task for 10 mins some days he gets close some days he dont .he can play cars and so forth for long periods of times but while playing he is moving all over the place and doenst have to sit still and concentrate on a specific area of the car etc.....

and i am sure there are some kids on it that honestly dotn have it ,or the dr is quick to medicate . a lot of parents do not want to medicate thier kids i would love to have my kids with out meds but if they were with out meds i wouldnt be able to take care of them my son already swings at me if he wasnt medicated i wonder how many of the swings would of landed.my son when not on meds cant sit still and do much of anything i wouldnt be able to trust him to even be in the same room with my 4 yr old lil girl he would be to hyper around her where she prolly would end up hurt when medicated he is able to sit down and play with her he does get wold spurts soem days even medicated the meds dont seem to work but again wiht me and the meds i take i got good days and bad days with the meds .and i know if i wasnt on meds for my depression i wouldnt be here on the puiter id be in bed or on the couch unable to

move

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Dear Jen,

I didn't write it! Just thought it interesting, because I did notice that the year my daughter was in a 7th grade self-contained classroom (and the only girl) that the fifteen boys, who couldn't do school work well, couldn't read well, had no trouble with Sports Illustrated or other reading material that interested them. And most of them were extremely articulate, as well. I don't think any of them were on ritalin, as it was not perhaps that popular.

I haven't the faintest idea whether it stunts growth or leads to more drugs. Just have read that sometimes kids sell their ritalin. I found the article interesting, and Mike is usually pretty right on.

I hope your packing and everything are going well!

That angel is already sent before you, preparing your place in Ark.

Is Max definitely moving there to join you? That would be wonderful, as you'll have his girlfriend too.

Love,

Francine

_In a message dated 7/23/2007 11:35:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, diegowench (DOT) com writes:

Actually - it has been proven over and over again that kids who are medicated for their adhd are LESS likely to self medicate with amphetamines.Jensunrose101aol (DOT) com wrote:

http://www.newstarg et.com/021944. html

New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug

companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them.

Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines.

"Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to

teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises.

Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of

numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.)

Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated

with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and

stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth,

psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to

Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder.

The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych

doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods.

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U R full of CRAP! You have no idea what you are talking about and u

really need to meet someone face to face like me who has a child who

benefitted tremendously from Ritilin. People like u and Tom Cruise

and all the other @#!$%!!s who preach about ritilin are pathetic

bacause your BS hurts real people. I won't even waste my time

getting specific about how the drug helped my son because u don't

care. Just hear this. Don't be so quick to spread your nonsense in

public because people like me take your misinformatin highly

personal.

Enough said.

Daly

>

> _http://www.newstarget.com/021944.html_

> (http://www.newstarget.com/021944.html)

>

> New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of

the

> American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that

Ritalin, the

> amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder

labeled Attention

> Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children.

After three years

> on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4

pounds

> lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.

>

> The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down

the

> growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade.

Research conducted over

> the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National

Institutes of

> Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of

children, yet

> nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries " no long-term growth

risk " to

> children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose

their financial

> conflicts of interest with drug companies.)

>

> Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from

warning

> parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their

children, focusing

> instead of how their children need " treatment " to correct

a " brain chemistry

> disorder " that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed

psychiatric

> industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need

them.

>

> Turning schoolchildren into street junkies

> Ritalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called " speed. "

Selling

> speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with

a prescription

> is called " treatment. " The practice of dosing children with

powerful,

> mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it

is tolerated

> today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents

and teachers all

> too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because

it makes

> symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is,

ultimately,

> pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the

profits of

> powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the

health of the children.

>

> _Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, " Adderall

vs.

> Methamphetamines. " _ (http://www.newstarget.com/021943.html)

>

> Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be

completely

> reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by

eliminating processed

> foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-

called " disease "

> of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by

extreme dietary

> imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot

down by simply

> handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which

the child

> will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and

mentally

> demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a

single break, and

> without distraction. If there really were such as disease as

Attention Deficit

> Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.

>

> The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools

are simply

> boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being

forced to sit

> still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way

through

> meaningless memorization exercises dubbed " history " or " science "

or whatever the topic

> may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra

hyperactive energy

> has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential

learning exercises.

>

> Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?

> This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children

does not

> answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal

height and body

> weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth

that cannot

> be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that

stunts

> physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and

the nervous

> system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same

time that it

> produces physically stunted children.

>

> In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't

Ritalin that

> caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself,

they claimed

> with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the

only way to

> return children to " normal " growth.

>

> This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric

medicine,

> which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous

psychiatric " disorders "

> at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals

become

> available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this:

ADHD is a real

> disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of

fictitious psychiatric

> disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real

disease

> according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made

it up. Thus, ADHD

> is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related

cartoon, _Disease

> Mongers, Inc._ (http://www.newstarget.com/021665.html) , to see a

humorous

> depiction of this process.)

>

> Treating children like guinea pigs

> Nobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As

a result,

> the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs,

waiting to

> see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for

a decade or

> longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the

reproductive

> organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility

problems. Perhaps the

> " Ritalin generation " won't be able to have babies. This is just a

guess, but

> the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is

guessing, too.

> Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all

basically a " let's

> give these drugs to children and see what happens " experiment.

It's all quite

> typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public

as

> revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and

realize they should be

> questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being

associated with

> harmful prescription medications.

>

> These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain

chemistry of

> children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually

treating a

> genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain

cancer in at-risk

> children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer

risk with

> stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use

whatsoever and is,

> in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything

resembling real

> medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to

give them a drug

> so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the

street is to

> engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-

treatment

> of children today with this drug other than the clever

exploitation of human

> beings for profit.

>

> The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be

for parents

> who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids

enough

> Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or

have as much muscle

> mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for

grooming

> children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a

world-class gymnast

> (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having

a shorter body

> and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise

healthy children

> who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall

short. (Ahem.)

>

> For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children,

on the other

> hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be

quite

> useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH

amphetamines, too, and start

> giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world

already give

> to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them

Ritalin, but

> believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and

legalize meth,

> psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a

fictitious disease

> " treated " by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is

manufactured from drug

> company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)

>

> It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free

America,

> doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug

companies, which seems

> to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children

with

> Ritalin amphetamines. The " Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't

about making America

> drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's

drugs while

> curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership

says, " Ritalin is

> a valuable medicine. " Are they on crack?

>

> _Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia._

> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamines)

>

> Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of

children,

> it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to

first market a

> disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for

that disorder.

>

> The chemical abuse of children

> In my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is

a crime

> against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children.

Rather than

> pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical

authority, we should

> instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-

style chemical

> assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its

rampant chemical

> poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more

dangerous to the

> safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest

society, these

> people would be stripped of their right to practice " medicine, "

and denied

> access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order

against

> practitioners of modern psychiatry!

>

> I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and

its

> disastrous " treatment " of children with dangerous, mind-altering

chemicals. If we

> continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an

entire

> generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to

society will no doubt be

> devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to

demonstrate normal,

> balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible

parenting

> and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food

additives and

> processed foods.

>

> Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine

>

>

>

>

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Yes it does have negative effects such as growth

issues and toxicity to the liver. Yes there is or was

a huge demand for ritalin in the drug abusing

cultures. I know this from personal experience having

been placed on ritalin at age 16 and taken off at age

21. And because 3 of my children have been on it one

time or another. This is not a drug that should be,

but is overprescribed to too many individuals,

especially children. My children are no longer on

ritalin and we use Quantum Biofeedback to balance the

brain rather than drugs.

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:) I probably reacted rather than thinking :) - It may be that some kids sell their ritalin - however most of these kids are doing drugs to begin with.... I battled a drug problem for years which I directly attribute to NOT being medicated - so this is a subject close to my heart. We actually took Sara off her meds for the summer to see how she did. She has grown like a foot! I agree that it can stunt growth, but the studies long term indicate that it is less than 2 inches, and eventually kids catch up. We are leaving next week, getting butterflies and wandering around a house that looks like maybe the Hindenberg crash occurred here lol.Max and Jackie are coming with and it has been such a relief! Jarrod is going to do a 10 week on stretch to give us enough money to catch up on all of our bills - which is a Godsend!I hope everyone else is doing really really well. My thoughts go out to all of

you. Molly's therapist reported me to CPS AGAIN - Molly got really aggressive with me and I slapped her. Basically I told her I was going to and I don't believe in empty threats - they closed the investigation but it made me SO MAD!~ Since I know all of you are dealing with the same type of stuff - aggravations and so forth that is...Jenvickie <blackfoot124@...> wrote: hey when u read

my responce to this i want u to know i know u didnt write it i was aiming my remarks to the article and the thinking provesses of that guy who wrote it .some kids do sell their meds but in saying some may not be selling them cuz they know what it does and so forth some may sell them from many things (bullying,fitting in,or cuz the parents let the kids self medicate i myself will nto let my kids self medicate with this kind of meds (when they are of age that is my sons 13 and he isnt capable of self administering the medication)i also had noticed that kids can concentrate on things that may intersts them but i think that also goes to the severity of the adhd i asked a wrap around service how bad is my son with the adhd compared to other kids with it (that they work with ) on a scale of 1 to 10 he was a 9.some kids they may have it for focusing and some with the hyperactivity and soem with both

some people dont look at that part of it nto every kid who has add is bouncing off the walls and vice versa although with hyper part u tend to have the add part (cant sit still)my son is prolly smarter than what he registers ( one has a 62 iq and the other a 64 iq they are 13 and 11) but what sets him back and the teachers and drs agree is he cant sit still long enough to tell u the answer he fidgets and moves all over the place right now with him being 11 they are trying to get him to stay on task for 10 mins some days he gets close some days he dont .he can play cars and so forth for long periods of times but while playing he is moving all over the place and doenst have to sit still and concentrate on a specific area of the car etc..... and i am sure there are some kids on it that honestly dotn have it ,or the dr is quick to medicate . a lot of parents do not want to medicate thier kids i would love to have my kids with out

meds but if they were with out meds i wouldnt be able to take care of them my son already swings at me if he wasnt medicated i wonder how many of the swings would of landed.my son when not on meds cant sit still and do much of anything i wouldnt be able to trust him to even be in the same room with my 4 yr old lil girl he would be to hyper around her where she prolly would end up hurt when medicated he is able to sit down and play with her he does get wold spurts soem days even medicated the meds dont seem to work but again wiht me and the meds i take i got good days and bad days with the meds .and i know if i wasnt on meds for my depression i wouldnt be here on the puiter id be in bed or on the couch unable to move Re: Ritalin Dear Jen, I didn't write it! Just thought it interesting, because I did notice that the year my daughter was in a 7th grade self-contained classroom (and the only girl) that the fifteen boys, who couldn't do school work well, couldn't read well, had no trouble with Sports Illustrated or other reading material that interested them.

And most of them were extremely articulate, as well. I don't think any of them were on ritalin, as it was not perhaps that popular. I haven't the faintest idea whether it stunts growth or leads to more drugs. Just have read that sometimes kids sell their ritalin. I found the article interesting, and Mike is usually pretty right on. I hope your packing and everything are going well! That angel is already sent before you,

preparing your place in Ark. Is Max definitely moving there to join you? That would be wonderful, as you'll have his girlfriend too. Love, Francine _In a message dated 7/23/2007 11:35:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, diegowench (DOT) com writes: Actually - it has been proven over and over again that kids who are medicated for their adhd are LESS likely to self medicate with amphetamines.Jensunrose101aol (DOT) com wrote: http://www.newstarg et.com/021944. html New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries

"no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them. Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too

easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. "Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which

the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises. Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal

height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the

DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.) Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but

the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To

place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the

health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making

America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder. The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population.

Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods. Ritalin / Adderall addicts

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yelling? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am new to this

group and I find everyone's posts very interesting to hear everyone's

opinions and what they are finding works best for their children.

I have a son who is nearly 9 and has just been diagnosed with Aspergers

and I am interested if there are any Aussie parents on this group? And

what have you found the best resources to do with Aspergers.

Thanks.

vickie wrote:

ONE I DO NOT THINK AD/HD IS A FICTICIOUS DISEASE I BELIEVE

IT TRULY EXISTS . I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU CAN TAKE CERTAIN FOODS AWAY AND

ALL WILL BE OKAY MAYBE WITH SOMEKIDS BUT NOT ALL KIDS.MY SON LOVES A

LOT OF TV SHOWS WOULD LOVE TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES BUT CANNOT SIT STILL

LONG ENOUGH TO FOCUS . ALSO HOW CAN IT BE FOOD WHEN NOT ALL KIDS HAVE

IT MY 2 SONS HAVE IT (ALONG WITH OTHER DISORDERS) MY OTHER 2 CHILDREN

DO NOT HAVE IT .MY SON I THINK WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP AND SIT

AND WATCH MOVIES AND READ HIS BOOKS AND WORK ON THE PUTER BUT HE SIMPLY

CANNOT DO IT.I GET SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE THINKING JUST CUZ THEY DO

NOT BELIEVE IN IT MEANS IT IS NOT REAL .LOOK AT HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO

HAVE FIBROMAYLGIA(SP) SOME DRS SWEATR IT EXISTS OTHERS DO NOT

..BUT JUST CUZ THEY DONT BELIEVE IT DOENST MENA IT DOESNT EXISTS.TO ALSO

MAKE IT SOUND LIKE PARENTS ARE JUST WANTIING TO MEDICATE THE KIDS TO

GET RID OF BEHAVIORSOR CUZ SCHOOL IS BORING ....NEWS FLASH SCHOOL HAS

ALWAYS BEEN BORING AND NTO SOEMTHING KIDS WANT TO GO TO I KNOW I DIDNT

WANT TO AND I WASNT ADHD I ATE PRIMARILY THE SAME FOODS MY

KIDS EAT (MINUS SCHOOL LUNCHES MY MOM PACKED)WHY IS ADHD BECOMMING MORE

PREVALENT NOW.ENVIRONMENTAL TRIGGERS VERY WELL CAN BE MAKING IT COME

ABOUT .BUT I GET TIRED OF HEARING IT DOENS T EXIST AND THE DRUG

COMPANIES WANT THE MONEY SO THEY ARE PUSHING IT( HEY WHEN AIDS STARTED

AND INCREASED SO FAST WAS THAT JUST CUZ THE DRUG COMPANIES WANTED

MONEY.ENOUGH WITH THE CONSPIRACIES .CHRIST MY KIDS HAVE HAD PROBLEMS

SINCE ONE AND A HALF .MY SON HAS HAD TO BE ON MEDS SINCE HE WAS 4 ( HE

WASNT EATING JUNK THEN EITHER NOTHING I WASNT EATING AT THE SAME AGE)

IF HE WASNT MEDICATED MY HOUSE I WAS LIVING IN WOULDNT BE STANDING HE

TRHEW THINGS BROKE THINGS SCREAMED OTHER THINGS HE COULDNT SIT LONG

ENOUGH TO EAT .

IM NOT SURE IF U POSTED THIS TO SHOW US WOW THIS IS WHAST THESE

IDIOT MAGS ARE PRINTING (SORRY I THINK IT HAS ENOUGH BACKING TO BE IN

THE PSCYHIATRY THAT IS MENTIONED BELOW)

BUT TO SAY THAT THIS DISORDER DOESNT EXIST IS BULL THAT IS LIKE

SAYING NEITHER AUTISM NOR MENTAL RETARDATION EXIST I MEAN MY SONS

HAVE HFA,MR,THE ONE ON TOP OF THAT HAS TOURETTES,MOOD DISORDER,AD/HD.THEY

HAVE IT .AND THEY ALL ARE REAL.AND TREATABLE

NOW AS TO RITILIN SAYING IT STUNTED GROWTH HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE

THEY DO MED CHECKS TO MAKE SURE THE KID GROWS ( THEY LOOK MORE AT

INCHES UP THEN POUNDS)

UMM PROOF THAT ADHD WAS MADE UP FROM THE PHARMACUTICAL COMPANIES

UM WHEN WAS IT MADE UP CUZ MY BROTHER HAD IT WHEN HE WAS A CHILD HE IS

38 NOW HE WAS ON RITILIN ALSO MY DR DID MENTION THE POSSIBLE GROWTH

PROBLEM MY SON IS NOT UNDERWEIGHT NOR SHORT FOR HIS AGE OR NOT GROWING

AT THE RATE HE SHOULD BE GROWING

ALSO THE MEDS ARE NOT PURSUED TO MAKE MY LIFE EASY IT IS TO HELP MY

SON BE ABLE TO SIT AND EAT ,TO BE ABLE TO SIT AND WORK ON PAPERS(EVEN

ONES HE LOVES TO DO ) HE NEEDS MEDS TO SLEEP OR HE WONT SLEEP NOW IF

THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO ANTI MEDICATION OR ADHD DONT EXIST THEY ARE

WELCOME TO SPEND A 2 WEEK PERIOD AT MY HOUSE (OVER NIGHT OF COURSE)

WITH MY 2 SONS (AND I WILL HAVE THEM OFF MEDS ) AND THEY CAN CARE TAKE

THEM HEY CAN TRY TO HELP THESE KIDS TRY TO EAT,WASH,SLEEP,PLAY,INTERACT,

BUT OF COURSE THERE MORE THAN LIKJELY WILL BE NO TAKERS .

WHAT EVER I DO FOR MY CHILD BY WAY OF MEDICATION IS NOT JUST FOR

HIS HEALTH BUT FOR THE HEALTH AND WELL BEING OF MY OTHER CHILDREN AND

MY SELF AND I TAKE GREAT OFFENCE TO BE REFERRED TO AS A PERSON WHO IS

WANTING MEDS FOR MY OWN SAKE ( IMPLIED BY THE ARTICLE BELOW .THE

MEDICATION DOES HELP ALSO ASK THE TEACHERS,ASK THE RELATIVES OF MY

KIDS,ASK THE CHURCH MY KIDS BELING TO THEY ALL HAVE SEEN MY KIDS WITH

MEDS AND WITH OUT .

BASICALLY

IN A NUTSHELL I TAKE OFFENCE TO THIS ARTICLE AND I FEEL IT IS NOTHING

BUT A CONSPIRACY THEORY AND NOTHING BUT BULLSHIT .......

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Autism and Aspergers Treatment

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 6:37:59 PM

Subject: Ritalin

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New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal

of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds

that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical

disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder,

stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic

drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their

peers, researchers have documented.

The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the

growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research

conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the

National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug

stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin

carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by

the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with

drug companies.)

Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning

parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their

children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to

correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by

the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs

to children who don't need them.

Turning schoolchildren into street junkies

Ritalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed."

Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children

with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing

children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of

chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the

language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the

mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD

seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for

the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of

powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of

the children.

Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon,

"Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. "

Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be

completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by

eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their

diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of

behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of

ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child

an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and

engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming

activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without

distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention

Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be

possible.

The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are

simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being

forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their

way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or

"science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing

things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful

function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises.

Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?

This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does

not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal

height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting

of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however,

whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth

of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually

stunted children at the same time that it produces physically

stunted children.

In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin

that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself,

they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was

the only way to return children to "normal" growth.

This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric

medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous

psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that

profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of

psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the

DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is

listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group

of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is

real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction

of this process.)

Treating children like guinea pigs

Nobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a

result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs,

waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines

for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size

of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future

fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to

have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that

the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows.

Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give

these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all

quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public

as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and

realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment

now being associated with harmful prescription medications.

These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry

of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually

treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing

brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a

reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no

justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of

chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place

the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful

that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage

in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of

children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of

human beings for profit.

The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for

parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those

kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall

or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very

useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or

growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the

physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those

parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their

full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)

For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the

other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be

quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH

amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the

militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about

as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma

could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no

doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by

meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug

company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)

It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America,

doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies,

which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of

children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion,

isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America

addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition:

street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine."

Are they on crack?

Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.

Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of

children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is

to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known

treatment for that disorder.

The chemical abuse of children

In my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a

crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards

children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real

medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting

them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern

psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has

proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than

any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be

stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to

children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners

of modern psychiatry!

I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its

disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering

chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to

drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences

to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need

mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They

simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away

from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods.

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UMM I USE CAPITALS CUZ IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR ME TO READ IT IM SORRY U TAKE IT AS YELLING LOL NEVER THOUGHT PEOPLE WOULD TAKE CAPS AS YELLING CUZ I LIKE USING THEM JUST SEEMS BETTER TO READ.... AND I WASNT SAYING ANYTHING AGAINST HER OPINIONS I WAS DISAGREEING WITH THE GUYS ARTICLE HIS ARTICLE NOT HER OPINION! I WAS TAKING THINGS HE WROTE ABOUT AND COUNTERED WITH THINGS I HAVE SEEN WITH KIDS (NOT JUST MY OWN).YES CHANGING DIETS WITH SOME MAY WORK BUT NOT WITH ALL.I WAS MAINLY AIMING THE RESPONCE ON THE GUYS OPNION THAT IT IS A FICTICIOUS DISEASE . WOULD YOU VIEW A DR /OR SOME ARTICLE A PERSON WROTE FOR A PAPER SAYING ASPERGERS IS A FICTICOUS DISEASE ,I BET YOU WOULD DISAGREE AND POST IN REPSONCE TO THE ARTICLE THAT YOU

DISAGREE.I READ EVERYONES OPINIONS AND IF I DISAGREE ,I DO TRY TO PUT IT IN A NICE WAY BUT I WASNT DISAGREEING WITH HER POST I WAS DISAGREEING WITH THE GUYS ARTICLE .AND IF HEARING EVERYONES OPINION IS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO ,I AGREE ,READ EVERYONES OPINIONS YOU LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVERYDAY.BUT IF I DO DISAGREE I WILL SAY I DO IT IS AN OPEN COMMUNICATION I AM NOT INSULTING ANYONES OPINION (WHEN SHE POSTED THE THING SHE DIDNT SAY WHETHER SHE AGREED OR NOT SHE JUST POSTED THE ARTICLE . LIKE I SAID I LOOKED IT OVER AND GAVE MY OPINION ON IT. WHAT WORKS BEST FOR YOUR CHILD IS GOOD THAT IS THE WAY YOU SHOULD DO THINGS.

VICKIE

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New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug

companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them.

Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. "Nutritional research has shown that the

symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless

memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises.

Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of

numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.)

Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated

with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and

stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth,

psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about

the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder.

The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych

doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods.

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>It may be that some kids sell their ritalin - however

>most of these kids are doing drugs to begin with....

Sorry but I would have to dissagree! Most are

medicated! Not, NOT medicated. Having been on the

drugs end after being put on ritalin. It made me less

timid and I felt more in control. Alot like addicts

will feel using cocaine or speed.

My mother-in-law is a juvenile probation officer and

she tells us all the time about kids getting their

drugs.

And If you look hard enough you will find a report

that counters what you've been saying.

Maybe not all kids sell their meds....but a large

enough percentage eventually do. Back in the 80's they

sold for $8 a pill around here! I have no clue what

they sell for now. I started into drugs because I

liked being skinny after being overwieght for most of

my puberty. When kids came along, and I gained weight,

and I couldn't get ritalin...I turned to something

else. That was 25 years ago.

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Dear Jen,

Here is a really funny story that one of our dear aides told me. She's from Guyana. One of their kids had some marks on their arm or something like that. The school called her in and told her she had to see someone to be educated in how to raise her kids. So she goes to see this therapist of some kind of another that the school provided, and she woman says to her: Beat them on the butt. It's not visible. Just don't hit them anywhere visible.

Oh gosh, we were laughing so hard!

Now I'm not into beating kids; far from it. And I also know what extreme provocation is and that you can't let them get away with it. So I'm on your side slapping Molly.

All I'd say is don't make any more threats until you're on the road!

Love,

Francine

In a message dated 7/30/2007 12:10:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, diegowench@... writes:

:) I probably reacted rather than thinking :) - It may be that some kids sell their ritalin - however most of these kids are doing drugs to begin with.... I battled a drug problem for years which I directly attribute to NOT being medicated - so this is a subject close to my heart. We actually took Sara off her meds for the summer to see how she did. She has grown like a foot! I agree that it can stunt growth, but the studies long term indicate that it is less than 2 inches, and eventually kids catch up. We are leaving next week, getting butterflies and wandering around a house that looks like maybe the Hindenberg crash occurred here lol.Max and Jackie are coming with and it has been such a relief! Jarrod is going to do a 10 week on stretch to give us enough money to catch up on all of our bills - which is a Godsend!I hope everyone else is doing really really well. My thoughts go out to all of you. Molly's therapist reported me to CPS AGAIN - Molly got really aggressive with me and I slapped her. Basically I told her I was going to and I don't believe in empty threats - they closed the investigation but it made me SO MAD!~ Since I know all of you are dealing with the same type of stuff - aggravations and so forth that is...Jenvickie <blackfoot124 > wrote:

hey when u read my responce to this i want u to know i know u didnt write it i was aiming my remarks to the article and the thinking provesses of that guy who wrote it .some kids do sell their meds but in saying some may not be selling them cuz they know what it does and so forth some may sell them from many things (bullying,fitting in,or cuz the parents let the kids self medicate i myself will nto let my kids self medicate with this kind of meds (when they are of age that is my sons 13 and he isnt capable of self administering the medication)i also had noticed that kids can concentrate on things that may intersts them but i think that also goes to the severity of the adhd i asked a wrap around service how bad is my son with the adhd compared to other kids with it (that they work with ) on a scale of 1 to 10 he was a 9.some kids they may have it for focusing and some with the hyperactivity and soem with both some people dont look at that part of it nto every kid who has add is bouncing off the walls and vice versa although with hyper part u tend to have the add part (cant sit still)my son is prolly smarter than what he registers ( one has a 62 iq and the other a 64 iq they are 13 and 11) but what sets him back and the teachers and drs agree is he cant sit still long enough to tell u the answer he fidgets and moves all over the place right now with him being 11 they are trying to get him to stay on task for 10 mins some days he gets close some days he dont .he can play cars and so forth for long periods of times but while playing he is moving all over the place and doenst have to sit still and concentrate on a specific area of the car etc.....

and i am sure there are some kids on it that honestly dotn have it ,or the dr is quick to medicate . a lot of parents do not want to medicate thier kids i would love to have my kids with out meds but if they were with out meds i wouldnt be able to take care of them my son already swings at me if he wasnt medicated i wonder how many of the swings would of landed.my son when not on meds cant sit still and do much of anything i wouldnt be able to trust him to even be in the same room with my 4 yr old lil girl he would be to hyper around her where she prolly would end up hurt when medicated he is able to sit down and play with her he does get wold spurts soem days even medicated the meds dont seem to work but again wiht me and the meds i take i got good days and bad days with the meds .and i know if i wasnt on meds for my depression i wouldnt be here on the puiter id be in bed or on the couch unable to move

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Dear Jen,

I didn't write it! Just thought it interesting, because I did notice that the year my daughter was in a 7th grade self-contained classroom (and the only girl) that the fifteen boys, who couldn't do school work well, couldn't read well, had no trouble with Sports Illustrated or other reading material that interested them. And most of them were extremely articulate, as well. I don't think any of them were on ritalin, as it was not perhaps that popular.

I haven't the faintest idea whether it stunts growth or leads to more drugs. Just have read that sometimes kids sell their ritalin. I found the article interesting, and Mike is usually pretty right on.

I hope your packing and everything are going well!

That angel is already sent before you, preparing your place in Ark.

Is Max definitely moving there to join you? That would be wonderful, as you'll have his girlfriend too.

Love,

Francine

_In a message dated 7/23/2007 11:35:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, diegowench (DOT) com writes:

Actually - it has been proven over and over again that kids who are medicated for their adhd are LESS likely to self medicate with amphetamines.Jensunrose101aol (DOT) com wrote:

http://www.newstarg et.com/021! 944. htm l

New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them.

Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. "Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises.

Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.)

Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder.

The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods.

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Vickie,

I don't think they meant to change the font, just hit the "caps lock" button to get rid of the caps. It's just very stressful to read all caps for most people (including me :)

Elissa

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Dear Jen,

I didn't write it! Just thought it interesting, because I did notice that the year my daughter was in a 7th grade self-contained classroom (and the only girl) that the fifteen boys, who couldn't do school work well, couldn't read well, had no trouble with Sports Illustrated or other reading material that interested them. And most of them were extremely articulate, as well. I don't think any of them were on ritalin, as it was not perhaps that popular.

I haven't the faintest idea whether it stunts growth or leads to more drugs. Just have read that sometimes kids sell their ritalin. I found the article interesting, and Mike is usually pretty right on.

I hope your packing and everything are going well!

That angel is already sent before you, preparing your place in Ark.

Is Max definitely moving there to join you? That would be wonderful, as you'll have his girlfriend too.

Love,

Francine

_In a message dated 7/23/2007 11:35:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, diegowench (DOT) com writes:

Actually - it has been proven over and over again that kids who are medicated for their adhd are LESS likely to self medicate with amphetamines.Jensunrose101aol (DOT) com wrote:

http://www.newstarg et.com/021944. html

New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug

companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them.

Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines.

"Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to

teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises.

Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of

numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.)

Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated

with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and

stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth,

psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to

Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder.

The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych

doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods.

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Thanks for more paragraphs. Much easier to read the short paragraphs. The more, the better, since we do want to read what you have to say.

In a message dated 8/1/2007 2:13:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, blackfoot124@... writes:

A FEW THINGS I WANTED TO PUT THIS OUT THERE SORRY IF ANY OF YINZ TOOK OFFENCE TO MY TYEPING CAPITALS I JUST FIND IT EASIER FOR ME TO READ .I COULD GO IN AND I GUESS CHANGE MY FOTNS AND SO FORTH BUT I USUALLY FORGET HALF THE TIME WHAT I GOT ON THE PUTER TO DO LET ALONE REMEMBER TO CHANGE THE SIZE OF THE FONT ..

AS TO THE RITALIN

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THINGS SO PEOPLE KNOW I DIDNT JUST DIVE INTO RITALIN AND THINK HEY IT IS THE ONLY WAY I WENT

I HAVE NOT ALWAYS USED RITALIN

I HAVE TRIED DEXEDRINE (WHICH WORKED REALLY GOOD WITH MICHAEL EXCEPT HE WASNT GAINING ANYTHING AND WOULD NOT EAT AT ALL AND IF HE WOULD EAT IT WAS VERY FEW BITES AND THAT IS IT. WE WENT TO RITALIN THE REGULAR RITALIN(NOT CONCERTA EXT RELAESE RITALIN ) IT WORKED BUT WE KEPT HAVING TO INCREASE AND WE COULNT GET HIM TO TAKE THE PILLS AT SCHOOL. WHEN HE WAS ABLE TO TAKE THE EXT STUFF STRATTERA WAS NOW OUT SO WE SWITCHED TO THAT WHICH WORKED OKAY I MEAN IT HELPED HIM FOCUS SOME AND HE WAS MORE INTERACTIVE BUT STILL WAY HYPER WE EVENTUALLY HAD TO STOP THAT . WE THEN WENT BACK TO THE DEXDRINE BUT NOW AT THIS TIME IT DIDNT WORK UNLESS IN A COMBO OF MEDS . AND STILL IT WENT THROUGH THE STOPPED WORKING NEED TO INCREASE. WE THEN WENT TO CONCERTA .HE TAKES THE SAME AS HIS BROTHER WHO WENT THROUGH MED STAGES JUST LIKE HE DID HE STARTED OUT WITH DEXDRINE WHICH DID NOTHING ,STATTERA NOTHING MAJOR IN CHANGES,ADDERALL HE DEVELOPED TICS,WE TREID THINGS CUZ OF ANXIETY ALSO LIKE PROZAC BUT HE STARTED CUTTING HIS CLOTHES AND PAPER I WANTED HIM OFF IT BUT IT TOOK THE FACT HE TRIED TO CUT HIS FACE WITH SCISSORS THAT GOT IT CHANGED ( THIS WAS ONLY AFTER LIKE A MONTH OF BEING ON IT. HE THEN STARTED RITALIN AGAIN IN THE CONCERTA VERSION. IT HAS HELPED ALOT WITH THE CONCENTRATION HE ISNT REALLY HYPER HYPER JUST MORE FIDGETY .WHERE AS MICHAEL ON HIS DOSE OF 54 MG HE IS STILL HYPER AND AT TIMES VERY UNCONTROLLABLE . FOR MOOD DISORDERS HE TAKES RISPERDAL IT HLEPS ALSO BUT I TILL HAVNT FOUND A COMBINATION THAT WORKS .WHAT HAPPENS IS THEIER IS NO CURE FOR THE DISORDERS JUST A TREATMENT FOR THE SYMPTOMS . EACH MED DONT TREAT EVERY SYMPTOM WHERE U THEN HAVE TO TAKE A COCKTAIL TO GE THE DISORDER IN CHECK LONG ENOUGH FOR MY KIDS (AND OTHERS ) TO LEARN.IF MY SON DIDNT TAKE MEDICIINE HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO LEARN ANYTHING CUZ HE WOULDNT BE ABLE TO SIT STILL LONG ENOUGH. I MEAN WE RIGHT NOW CANT REALLY KEEP HIM ON TASK FOR MORE THAN 5 TO 10 MINS .HE IS ALL OVER THE PLAVE IN SCHOOL HE HAS A FIDGET CUSHION ON HIS CHAIR (IT IS A BUMPY CUSHION HE SITS ON ) THE TEACHERS SAY IT HELPS A LOT BUT NOT LIKE PERFECT . WHICH WE AINT LOOKING FOR PERFECT CUZ THERE IS NO SUCH THING..WE TRY AND WE TRY .RIGHT NOW MY SON MICHAEL TAKES 54 MG OF CONCERTA,1MG RISPERDAL,AND .1MG CLONIDINE EVERY AM ,AT 3PM HE TAKES .1 MG OF CLONIDINE ,THEN AT 6 HE TAKES .1 CLONIDINE,1MG RISPERDAL AND 20 MG OF SIMVASTATIN (HIGH CHOLESTROL) CLOSER TO SCHOOL HE WILL BE PUT ON LIKE A ZOLOFT OR LEXAPRO FOR ANXIETY .I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MY KID NOT ON ANY MEDS BUT I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO CONTROL HIM WHEN HE IS OFF IT .I NEED TO HELP HIM BE HEALTHY BUT I ALSO GOT TO PROTECT MY OTHER KIDS ALSO. HE CAN GET PRETTY AGGRESSIVE EVEN WITH MEDS .

IM NOT FAMILIAR WITH ALTERNATIVE MEDS BUT I KNOW I CANNOT DO A CHANGE OF DIET COMPLETLEY CUZ IT AINT LIEK HE EATS A LOT OF ANYTHING .I WANTED TO LOOK INTO THE OMEGA 3 FATTY STUFF LOL BUT IS EXPENSIVE. I AM ALSO TALKIGN TO THE DR ABOUT PUTTING HIM IN A HOSPITAL (NOT SURE HOW LONG ) BUT GET HIM OFF THE MEDS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND BASCIALLLY START AT THE BEGINNING. HAVE ANY OF YOU WATCHED THE MIRICLE WORKER ABOUT HELEN KELLAR DO YOU REMEMBER THE FITS SHE HAD WHEN THEY NEEDED HER TO TRY THINGS AND THEY PRACTICLY HAD TO SIT ON HER AND PIN HER DOWN TO CALM HER THE KICKING AND SCREAMING THE WILD ANIMAL SHE WOULD BE COME .THIS IS MY SON. HE CAN BE LIKE THAT WHEN ASKED TO DO SOEMTHING BE TOLD NO OR JUST BE LOOKED AT AND TALKED TO ( LIKE HI HOW ARE YOU?)ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS WHEN THE MOVIE NELL I THINK THE NAME OF IT WAS WHEN I THINK IT WAS JODIE FOSTER PLAYED A GIRL RAISED ON HER OWN IN THE WOODS TRYING TO TEACH HER WAS NOT EASY.AND I KNOW THESE WERE TREATED WITH OUT MEDS BUT THEY WERE UNDER DIFFERENT CICUMSTANCES I AM JUST REFERRING TO THE FITS THEY HAD.

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Dear Jen,

I didn't write it! Just thought it interesting, because I did notice that the year my daughter was in a 7th grade self-contained classroom (and the only girl) that the fifteen boys, who couldn't do school work well, couldn't read well, had no trouble with Sports Illustrated or other reading material that interested them. And most of them were extremely articulate, as well. I don't think any of them were on ritalin, as it was not perhaps that popular.

I haven't the faintest idea whether it stunts growth or leads to more drugs. Just have read that sometimes kids sell their ritalin. I found the article interesting, and Mike is usually pretty right on.

I hope your packing and everything are going well!

That angel is already sent before you, preparing your place in Ark.

Is Max definitely moving there to join you? That would be wonderful, as you'll have his girlfriend too.

Love,

Francine

_In a message dated 7/23/2007 11:35:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, diegowench (DOT) com writes:

Actually - it has been proven over and over again that kids who are medicated for their adhd are LESS likely to self medicate with amphetamines.Jensunrose101aol (DOT) com wrote:

http://www.newstarg et.com/021944. html

New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them.

Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. "Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises.

Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.)

Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder.

The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods.

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Lol sorry when I get on my biggest thing is trying to get out what I want to write .Whether in writing it or speaking it I do have a tendancy to ramble making for the long paragraphs..

With me I have found my concentration waning fast ,and along with it my memory .I am going to see a dr about it ( well if I remember to make the appt LOL ) the psyche dr tells me it is symptoms with the depression I suffer.But I am not quite sure any more. I wake and I feel even more tired than when I went to bed ,I have no energy most days and when I do get it I tire out easy .Hell I even eat and I can get wore out.I am also forgeting things ( I missed 3 appts in the space of 2 weeks).

I do not think it is ad/hd for the concentration although sometimes with this I wonder how these kids deal with it cuz I am going nuts.It is very frustrating when you go to do things and you cant remember what you were doing.That is why I tend to just write it and be done ( got to get it out before I forget what i want to say LOL)it sucks .Oh incase you are wondering my therapist did suggest stress can produce this behavior(me have stress NAH not me LOL)and she also suggested Fibromyalgia not sure if this is how it is spelled or what all it does so I will look into it.

Vickie

Re: Ritalin

Dear Jen,

I didn't write it! Just thought it interesting, because I did notice that the year my daughter was in a 7th grade self-contained classroom (and the only girl) that the fifteen boys, who couldn't do school work well, couldn't read well, had no trouble with Sports Illustrated or other reading material that interested them. And most of them were extremely articulate, as well. I don't think any of them were on ritalin, as it was not perhaps that popular.

I haven't the faintest idea whether it stunts growth or leads to more drugs. Just have read that sometimes kids sell their ritalin. I found the article interesting, and Mike is usually pretty right on.

I hope your packing and everything are going well!

That angel is already sent before you, preparing your place in Ark.

Is Max definitely moving there to join you? That would be wonderful, as you'll have his girlfriend too.

Love,

Francine

_In a message dated 7/23/2007 11:35:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, diegowench (DOT) com writes:

Actually - it has been proven over and over again that kids who are medicated for their adhd are LESS likely to self medicate with amphetamines.Jensunrose101aol (DOT) com wrote:

http://www.newstarg et.com/021944. html

New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug

companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them.

Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines.

"Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to

teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises.

Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of

numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.)

Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated

with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and

stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth,

psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to

Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder.

The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych

doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods.

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Thanks Ally .. it's nice to

know that I'm not alone. Are you from Australia?

My son has lots of friends but isn't easily accepted and he quite often

gets bullied but doesn't realise that's what other kids are doing and

it really upsets me.

Bek xx

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Hi ,

I also have a 9 year old son with aspergers. His struggle has

always been socializing with children his own age. He has no friends

and likes to play in his room alot. I try to keep him active at the

local YMCA with Basketball and swimming. When school starts I hope the

Behavior specialist will work on role playing appropiate communication

with other kids,

Also he is on medication becuse is is very hyperactive. I also

give him positive reinforcement so he doesn't get low self esteem.

Bek & Craig <strikwerdaoptusnet.au>

wrote:

Do you realise

capitals is yelling? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am new

to this group and I find everyone's posts very interesting to hear

everyone's opinions and what they are finding works best for their

children.

I have a son who is nearly 9 and has just been diagnosed with Aspergers

and I am interested if there are any Aussie parents on this group? And

what have you found the best resources to do with Aspergers.

Thanks.

vickie wrote:

ONE I DO NOT THINK AD/HD IS A FICTICIOUS DISEASE I BELIEVE

IT TRULY EXISTS . I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU CAN TAKE CERTAIN FOODS AWAY AND

ALL WILL BE OKAY MAYBE WITH SOMEKIDS BUT NOT ALL KIDS.MY SON LOVES A

LOT OF TV SHOWS WOULD LOVE TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES BUT CANNOT SIT STILL

LONG ENOUGH TO FOCUS . ALSO HOW CAN IT BE FOOD WHEN NOT ALL KIDS HAVE

IT MY 2 SONS HAVE IT (ALONG WITH OTHER DISORDERS) MY OTHER 2 CHILDREN

DO NOT HAVE IT .MY SON I THINK WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP AND SIT

AND WATCH MOVIES AND READ HIS BOOKS AND WORK ON THE PUTER BUT HE SIMPLY

CANNOT DO IT.I GET SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE THINKING JUST CUZ THEY DO

NOT BELIEVE IN IT MEANS IT IS NOT REAL .LOOK AT HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO

HAVE FIBROMAYLGIA(SP) SOME DRS SWEATR IT EXISTS OTHERS DO NOT

..BUT JUST CUZ THEY DONT BELIEVE IT DOENST MENA IT DOESNT EXISTS.TO ALSO

MAKE IT SOUND LIKE PARENTS ARE JUST WANTIING TO MEDICATE THE KIDS TO

GET RID OF BEHAVIORSOR CUZ SCHOOL IS BORING ....NEWS FLASH SCHOOL HAS

ALWAYS BEEN BORING AND NTO SOEMTHING KIDS WANT TO GO TO I KNOW I DIDNT

WANT TO AND I WASNT ADHD I ATE PRIMARILY THE SAME FOODS MY

KIDS EAT (MINUS SCHOOL LUNCHES MY MOM PACKED)WHY IS ADHD BECOMMING MORE

PREVALENT NOW.ENVIRONMENTAL TRIGGERS VERY WELL CAN BE MAKING IT COME

ABOUT .BUT I GET TIRED OF HEARING IT DOENS T EXIST AND THE DRUG

COMPANIES WANT THE MONEY SO THEY ARE PUSHING IT( HEY WHEN AIDS STARTED

AND INCREASED SO FAST WAS THAT JUST CUZ THE DRUG COMPANIES WANTED

MONEY.ENOUGH WITH THE CONSPIRACIES .CHRIST MY KIDS HAVE HAD PROBLEMS

SINCE ONE AND A HALF .MY SON HAS HAD TO BE ON MEDS SINCE HE WAS 4 ( HE

WASNT EATING JUNK THEN EITHER NOTHING I WASNT EATING AT THE SAME AGE)

IF HE WASNT MEDICATED MY HOUSE I WAS LIVING IN WOULDNT BE STANDING HE

TRHEW THINGS BROKE THINGS SCREAMED OTHER THINGS HE COULDNT SIT LONG

ENOUGH TO EAT .

IM NOT SURE IF U POSTED THIS TO SHOW US WOW THIS IS WHAST

THESE IDIOT MAGS ARE PRINTING (SORRY I THINK IT HAS ENOUGH BACKING TO

BE IN THE PSCYHIATRY THAT IS MENTIONED BELOW)

BUT TO SAY THAT THIS DISORDER DOESNT EXIST IS BULL THAT IS

LIKE SAYING NEITHER AUTISM NOR MENTAL RETARDATION EXIST I MEAN MY

SONS HAVE HFA,MR,THE ONE ON TOP OF THAT HAS TOURETTES,MOOD DISORDER,AD/HD.THEY

HAVE IT .AND THEY ALL ARE REAL.AND TREATABLE

NOW AS TO RITILIN SAYING IT STUNTED GROWTH HAS ALWAYS BEEN

THERE THEY DO MED CHECKS TO MAKE SURE THE KID GROWS ( THEY LOOK MORE AT

INCHES UP THEN POUNDS)

UMM PROOF THAT ADHD WAS MADE UP FROM THE PHARMACUTICAL

COMPANIES UM WHEN WAS IT MADE UP CUZ MY BROTHER HAD IT WHEN HE WAS A

CHILD HE IS 38 NOW HE WAS ON RITILIN ALSO MY DR DID MENTION THE

POSSIBLE GROWTH PROBLEM MY SON IS NOT UNDERWEIGHT NOR SHORT FOR HIS

AGE OR NOT GROWING AT THE RATE HE SHOULD BE GROWING

ALSO THE MEDS ARE NOT PURSUED TO MAKE MY LIFE EASY IT IS TO HELP MY

SON BE ABLE TO SIT AND EAT ,TO BE ABLE TO SIT AND WORK ON PAPERS(EVEN

ONES HE LOVES TO DO ) HE NEEDS MEDS TO SLEEP OR HE WONT SLEEP NOW IF

THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO ANTI MEDICATION OR ADHD DONT EXIST THEY ARE

WELCOME TO SPEND A 2 WEEK PERIOD AT MY HOUSE (OVER NIGHT OF COURSE)

WITH MY 2 SONS (AND I WILL HAVE THEM OFF MEDS ) AND THEY CAN CARE TAKE

THEM HEY CAN TRY TO HELP THESE KIDS TRY TO EAT,WASH,SLEEP,PLAY,INTERACT,

BUT OF COURSE THERE MORE THAN LIKJELY WILL BE NO TAKERS .

WHAT EVER I DO FOR MY CHILD BY WAY OF MEDICATION IS NOT JUST

FOR HIS HEALTH BUT FOR THE HEALTH AND WELL BEING OF MY OTHER CHILDREN

AND MY SELF AND I TAKE GREAT OFFENCE TO BE REFERRED TO AS A PERSON WHO

IS WANTING MEDS FOR MY OWN SAKE ( IMPLIED BY THE ARTICLE BELOW .THE

MEDICATION DOES HELP ALSO ASK THE TEACHERS,ASK THE RELATIVES OF MY

KIDS,ASK THE CHURCH MY KIDS BELING TO THEY ALL HAVE SEEN MY KIDS WITH

MEDS AND WITH OUT .

BASICALLY

IN A NUTSHELL I TAKE OFFENCE TO THIS ARTICLE AND I FEEL IT IS NOTHING

BUT A CONSPIRACY THEORY AND NOTHING BUT BULLSHIT .......

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Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 6:37:59 PM

Subject: Ritalin

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New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal

of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds

that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical

disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder,

stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic

drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their

peers, researchers have documented.

The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the

growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research

conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the

National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug

stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin

carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by

the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with

drug companies.)

Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning

parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their

children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to

correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by

the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs

to children who don't need them.

Turning schoolchildren into street junkies

Ritalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed."

Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children

with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing

children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of

chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the

language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the

mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD

seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for

the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of

powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of

the children.

Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon,

"Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. "

Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be

completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by

eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their

diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of

behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of

ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child

an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and

engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming

activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without

distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention

Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be

possible.

The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are

simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being

forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their

way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or

"science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing

things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful

function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises.

Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?

This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does

not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal

height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting

of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however,

whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth

of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually

stunted children at the same time that it produces physically

stunted children.

In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin

that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself,

they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was

the only way to return children to "normal" growth.

This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric

medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous

psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that

profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of

psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the

DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is

listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group

of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is

real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction

of this process.)

Treating children like guinea pigs

Nobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a

result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs,

waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines

for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size

of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future

fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to

have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that

the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows.

Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give

these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all

quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public

as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and

realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment

now being associated with harmful prescription medications.

These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry

of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually

treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing

brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a

reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no

justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of

chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place

the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful

that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage

in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of

children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of

human beings for profit.

The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for

parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those

kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall

or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very

useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or

growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the

physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those

parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their

full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)

For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the

other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be

quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH

amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the

militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about

as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma

could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no

doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by

meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug

company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)

It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America,

doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies,

which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of

children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion,

isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America

addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition:

street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine."

Are they on crack?

Click here to read about amphetamines

on Wikipedia.

Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of

children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is

to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known

treatment for that disorder.

The chemical abuse of children

In my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a

crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards

children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real

medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting

them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern

psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has

proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than

any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be

stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to

children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners

of modern psychiatry!

I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its

disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering

chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to

drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences

to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need

mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They

simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away

from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods.

Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine

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No, I live in FL. I like to visit Australia. My son does things in school that other kids make fun of him that he doesn't realize he doing. My therapist says that he just doesn't have the understanding of what other people think of him. It's part of his aspergers. Bek & Craig <strikwerda@...> wrote: Thanks Ally .. it's nice to know that I'm not alone. Are you from Australia?My son has lots of friends but isn't easily accepted and he quite often

gets bullied but doesn't realise that's what other kids are doing and it really upsets me.Bek xxAlly Fortney wrote: Hi , I also have a 9 year old son with aspergers. His struggle has always been socializing with children his own age. He has no friends and likes to play in his room alot. I try to keep him active at the local YMCA with Basketball and swimming. When school starts I hope the Behavior specialist will work on role playing appropiate communication with other kids, Also he is on medication becuse is is very hyperactive. I also give him positive reinforcement so he doesn't get low self esteem. Bek & Craig <strikwerdaoptusnet.au> wrote: Do you realise capitals is yelling? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am new to this group and I find everyone's posts very interesting to hear everyone's opinions and what they are finding works best for their children. I have a son who is nearly 9 and has just been diagnosed with Aspergers and I am interested if there are any Aussie parents on this group? And what have you found the best resources to do with Aspergers.Thanks.vickie wrote: ONE I DO NOT THINK AD/HD IS A FICTICIOUS DISEASE I BELIEVE IT TRULY EXISTS . I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU CAN TAKE CERTAIN FOODS AWAY AND ALL

WILL BE OKAY MAYBE WITH SOMEKIDS BUT NOT ALL KIDS.MY SON LOVES A LOT OF TV SHOWS WOULD LOVE TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES BUT CANNOT SIT STILL LONG ENOUGH TO FOCUS . ALSO HOW CAN IT BE FOOD WHEN NOT ALL KIDS HAVE IT MY 2 SONS HAVE IT (ALONG WITH OTHER DISORDERS) MY OTHER 2 CHILDREN DO NOT HAVE IT .MY SON I THINK WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP AND SIT AND WATCH MOVIES AND READ HIS BOOKS AND WORK ON THE PUTER BUT HE SIMPLY CANNOT DO IT.I GET SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE THINKING JUST CUZ THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN IT MEANS IT IS NOT REAL .LOOK AT HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE FIBROMAYLGIA(SP) SOME DRS SWEATR IT EXISTS OTHERS DO NOT .BUT JUST CUZ THEY DONT BELIEVE IT DOENST MENA IT DOESNT EXISTS.TO ALSO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE PARENTS ARE JUST WANTIING TO MEDICATE THE KIDS TO GET RID OF BEHAVIORSOR CUZ SCHOOL IS BORING ....NEWS FLASH SCHOOL HAS ALWAYS BEEN BORING AND NTO SOEMTHING KIDS WANT TO GO TO I KNOW I DIDNT WANT TO AND I WASNT ADHD

I ATE PRIMARILY THE SAME FOODS MY KIDS EAT (MINUS SCHOOL LUNCHES MY MOM PACKED)WHY IS ADHD BECOMMING MORE PREVALENT NOW.ENVIRONMENTAL TRIGGERS VERY WELL CAN BE MAKING IT COME ABOUT .BUT I GET TIRED OF HEARING IT DOENS T EXIST AND THE DRUG COMPANIES WANT THE MONEY SO THEY ARE PUSHING IT( HEY WHEN AIDS STARTED AND INCREASED SO FAST WAS THAT JUST CUZ THE DRUG COMPANIES WANTED MONEY.ENOUGH WITH THE CONSPIRACIES .CHRIST MY KIDS HAVE HAD PROBLEMS SINCE ONE AND A HALF .MY SON HAS HAD TO BE ON MEDS SINCE HE WAS 4 ( HE WASNT EATING JUNK THEN EITHER NOTHING I WASNT EATING AT THE SAME AGE) IF HE WASNT MEDICATED MY HOUSE I WAS LIVING IN WOULDNT BE STANDING HE TRHEW THINGS BROKE THINGS SCREAMED OTHER THINGS HE COULDNT SIT LONG ENOUGH TO EAT . IM NOT SURE IF U POSTED THIS TO SHOW US WOW THIS IS WHAST THESE IDIOT MAGS ARE PRINTING (SORRY I THINK IT HAS ENOUGH BACKING TO BE IN THE PSCYHIATRY THAT IS

MENTIONED BELOW) BUT TO SAY THAT THIS DISORDER DOESNT EXIST IS BULL THAT IS LIKE SAYING NEITHER AUTISM NOR MENTAL RETARDATION EXIST I MEAN MY SONS HAVE HFA,MR,THE ONE ON TOP OF THAT HAS TOURETTES,MOOD DISORDER,AD/HD.THEY HAVE IT .AND THEY ALL ARE REAL.AND TREATABLE NOW AS TO RITILIN SAYING IT STUNTED GROWTH HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE THEY DO MED CHECKS TO MAKE SURE THE KID GROWS ( THEY LOOK MORE AT INCHES UP THEN POUNDS) UMM PROOF THAT ADHD WAS MADE UP FROM THE PHARMACUTICAL COMPANIES UM WHEN WAS IT MADE UP CUZ MY BROTHER HAD IT WHEN HE WAS A CHILD HE IS 38 NOW HE WAS ON RITILIN ALSO MY DR DID MENTION THE POSSIBLE GROWTH PROBLEM MY SON IS NOT UNDERWEIGHT NOR SHORT FOR HIS AGE OR NOT GROWING AT THE RATE HE SHOULD BE GROWING ALSO THE MEDS ARE NOT PURSUED TO MAKE MY LIFE EASY IT IS TO HELP MY SON BE ABLE TO SIT AND EAT ,TO BE ABLE TO SIT AND WORK ON

PAPERS(EVEN ONES HE LOVES TO DO ) HE NEEDS MEDS TO SLEEP OR HE WONT SLEEP NOW IF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO ANTI MEDICATION OR ADHD DONT EXIST THEY ARE WELCOME TO SPEND A 2 WEEK PERIOD AT MY HOUSE (OVER NIGHT OF COURSE) WITH MY 2 SONS (AND I WILL HAVE THEM OFF MEDS ) AND THEY CAN CARE TAKE THEM HEY CAN TRY TO HELP THESE KIDS TRY TO EAT,WASH,SLEEP,PLAY,INTERACT, BUT OF COURSE THERE MORE THAN LIKJELY WILL BE NO TAKERS . WHAT EVER I DO FOR MY CHILD BY WAY OF MEDICATION IS NOT JUST FOR HIS HEALTH BUT FOR THE HEALTH AND WELL BEING OF MY OTHER CHILDREN AND MY SELF AND I TAKE GREAT OFFENCE TO BE REFERRED TO AS A PERSON WHO IS WANTING MEDS FOR MY OWN SAKE ( IMPLIED BY THE ARTICLE BELOW .THE MEDICATION DOES HELP ALSO ASK THE TEACHERS,ASK THE RELATIVES OF MY KIDS,ASK THE CHURCH MY KIDS BELING TO THEY ALL HAVE SEEN MY KIDS WITH MEDS AND WITH OUT . BASICALLY IN A NUTSHELL I TAKE OFFENCE TO THIS ARTICLE AND I FEEL IT IS NOTHING BUT A CONSPIRACY THEORY AND NOTHING BUT BULLSHIT ....... Ritalin http://www.newstarg et.com/021944. html New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical

disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain

chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them. Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. "Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children

don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises. Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue

that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this

process.) Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated

with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those

kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by,

ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a

disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder. The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous,

mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods. Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. Ally Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.Visit the Auto Green Center. Ally

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Vickie, I have fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome, and a lot of what you are saying sounds familiar! vickie <blackfoot124@...> wrote: Lol sorry when I get on my biggest thing is trying to get out what I want to write .Whether in writing it or speaking it I do have

a tendancy to ramble making for the long paragraphs.. With me I have found my concentration waning fast ,and along with it my memory .I am going to see a dr about it ( well if I remember to make the appt LOL ) the psyche dr tells me it is symptoms with the depression I suffer.But I am not quite sure any more. I wake and I feel even more tired than when I went to bed ,I have no energy most days and when I do get it I tire out easy .Hell I even eat and I can get wore out.I am also forgeting things ( I missed 3 appts in the space of 2 weeks). I do not think it is ad/hd for the concentration although sometimes with this I wonder how these kids deal with it

cuz I am going nuts.It is very frustrating when you go to do things and you cant remember what you were doing.That is why I tend to just write it and be done ( got to get it out before I forget what i want to say LOL)it sucks .Oh incase you are wondering my therapist did suggest stress can produce this behavior(me have stress NAH not me LOL)and she also suggested Fibromyalgia not sure if this is how it is spelled or what all it does so I will look into it. Vickie Re: Ritalin Dear Jen, I didn't write it! Just thought it interesting, because I did notice that the year my daughter was in a 7th grade self-contained classroom (and the only girl) that the fifteen boys, who couldn't do school work well, couldn't read well, had no trouble with Sports Illustrated or other reading material that interested them. And most of them were extremely articulate, as well. I don't think any of them were on ritalin, as it was not perhaps that popular. I haven't the faintest idea whether it stunts growth or leads to more drugs. Just have read that sometimes kids sell their ritalin. I found the article interesting, and Mike is usually pretty right on. I hope your packing and everything are going well! That angel is already sent before you, preparing your place in Ark. Is Max definitely moving there to join you? That would be wonderful, as you'll have his girlfriend too. Love, Francine _In a message dated 7/23/2007

11:35:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, diegowench (DOT) com writes: Actually - it has been proven over and over again that kids who are medicated for their adhd are LESS likely to self medicate with amphetamines.Jensunrose101aol (DOT) com wrote: http://www.newstarg et.com/021944. html New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their peers, researchers have documented.The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin carries "no

long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with drug companies.)Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs to children who don't need them. Turning schoolchildren into street junkiesRitalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed." Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily

agree to the mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of the children.Click here to see our related CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. "Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will

sit down and engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be possible.The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or "science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises. Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal height and

body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however, whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually stunted children at the same time that it produces physically stunted children.In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself, they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was the only way to return children to "normal" growth.This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the DSIM-IV

manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction of this process.) Treating children like guinea pigsNobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs, waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to have babies. This is just a guess, but the

important point here is that the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment now being associated with harmful prescription medications.These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To

place the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of human beings for profit.The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)For those parents looking to ruin the

health of their children, on the other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America, doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies, which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion, isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America

addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition: street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine." Are they on crack?Click here to read about amphetamines on Wikipedia.Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known treatment for that disorder. The chemical abuse of childrenIn my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern

psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners of modern psychiatry!I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods. Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the

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Oh ok. I'm only starting

to really understand Aspergers.

Bek xx

Ally Fortney wrote:

No, I live in FL. I like to visit Australia. My son does things

in school that other kids make fun of him that he doesn't realize he

doing. My therapist says that he just doesn't have the understanding of

what other people think of him. It's part of his aspergers.

Bek & Craig <strikwerdaoptusnet.au>

wrote:

Thanks Ally ..

it's nice to know that I'm not alone. Are you from Australia?

My son has lots of friends but isn't easily accepted and he quite often

gets bullied but doesn't realise that's what other kids are doing and

it really upsets me.

Bek xx

Ally Fortney wrote:

Hi ,

I also have a 9 year old son with aspergers. His struggle

has always been socializing with children his own age. He has no

friends and likes to play in his room alot. I try to keep him active at

the local YMCA with Basketball and swimming. When school starts I hope

the Behavior specialist will work on role playing appropiate

communication with other kids,

Also he is on medication becuse is is very hyperactive. I

also give him positive reinforcement so he doesn't get low self

esteem.

Bek & Craig <strikwerdaoptusnet.au>

wrote:

Do you realise

capitals is yelling? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am new

to this group and I find everyone's posts very interesting to hear

everyone's opinions and what they are finding works best for their

children.

I have a son who is nearly 9 and has just been diagnosed with Aspergers

and I am interested if there are any Aussie parents on this group? And

what have you found the best resources to do with Aspergers.

Thanks.

vickie wrote:

ONE I DO NOT THINK AD/HD IS A FICTICIOUS DISEASE I

BELIEVE IT TRULY EXISTS . I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU CAN TAKE CERTAIN FOODS

AWAY AND ALL WILL BE OKAY MAYBE WITH SOMEKIDS BUT NOT ALL KIDS.MY SON

LOVES A LOT OF TV SHOWS WOULD LOVE TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES BUT CANNOT SIT

STILL LONG ENOUGH TO FOCUS . ALSO HOW CAN IT BE FOOD WHEN NOT ALL KIDS

HAVE IT MY 2 SONS HAVE IT (ALONG WITH OTHER DISORDERS) MY OTHER 2

CHILDREN DO NOT HAVE IT .MY SON I THINK WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP

AND SIT AND WATCH MOVIES AND READ HIS BOOKS AND WORK ON THE PUTER BUT

HE SIMPLY CANNOT DO IT.I GET SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE THINKING JUST CUZ

THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN IT MEANS IT IS NOT REAL .LOOK AT HOW MANY PEOPLE

WHO HAVE FIBROMAYLGIA(SP) SOME DRS SWEATR IT EXISTS OTHERS DO NOT

..BUT JUST CUZ THEY DONT BELIEVE IT DOENST MENA IT DOESNT EXISTS.TO ALSO

MAKE IT SOUND LIKE PARENTS ARE JUST WANTIING TO MEDICATE THE KIDS TO

GET RID OF BEHAVIORSOR CUZ SCHOOL IS BORING ....NEWS FLASH SCHOOL HAS

ALWAYS BEEN BORING AND NTO SOEMTHING KIDS WANT TO GO TO I KNOW I DIDNT

WANT TO AND I WASNT ADHD I ATE PRIMARILY THE SAME FOODS MY

KIDS EAT (MINUS SCHOOL LUNCHES MY MOM PACKED)WHY IS ADHD BECOMMING MORE

PREVALENT NOW.ENVIRONMENTAL TRIGGERS VERY WELL CAN BE MAKING IT COME

ABOUT .BUT I GET TIRED OF HEARING IT DOENS T EXIST AND THE DRUG

COMPANIES WANT THE MONEY SO THEY ARE PUSHING IT( HEY WHEN AIDS STARTED

AND INCREASED SO FAST WAS THAT JUST CUZ THE DRUG COMPANIES WANTED

MONEY.ENOUGH WITH THE CONSPIRACIES .CHRIST MY KIDS HAVE HAD PROBLEMS

SINCE ONE AND A HALF .MY SON HAS HAD TO BE ON MEDS SINCE HE WAS 4 ( HE

WASNT EATING JUNK THEN EITHER NOTHING I WASNT EATING AT THE SAME AGE)

IF HE WASNT MEDICATED MY HOUSE I WAS LIVING IN WOULDNT BE STANDING HE

TRHEW THINGS BROKE THINGS SCREAMED OTHER THINGS HE COULDNT SIT LONG

ENOUGH TO EAT .

IM NOT SURE IF U POSTED THIS TO SHOW US WOW THIS IS

WHAST THESE IDIOT MAGS ARE PRINTING (SORRY I THINK IT HAS ENOUGH

BACKING TO BE IN THE PSCYHIATRY THAT IS MENTIONED BELOW)

BUT TO SAY THAT THIS DISORDER DOESNT EXIST IS BULL THAT

IS LIKE SAYING NEITHER AUTISM NOR MENTAL RETARDATION EXIST I MEAN MY

SONS HAVE HFA,MR,THE ONE ON TOP OF THAT HAS TOURETTES,MOOD DISORDER,AD/HD.THEY

HAVE IT .AND THEY ALL ARE REAL.AND TREATABLE

NOW AS TO RITILIN SAYING IT STUNTED GROWTH HAS ALWAYS

BEEN THERE THEY DO MED CHECKS TO MAKE SURE THE KID GROWS ( THEY LOOK

MORE AT INCHES UP THEN POUNDS)

UMM PROOF THAT ADHD WAS MADE UP FROM THE PHARMACUTICAL

COMPANIES UM WHEN WAS IT MADE UP CUZ MY BROTHER HAD IT WHEN HE WAS A

CHILD HE IS 38 NOW HE WAS ON RITILIN ALSO MY DR DID MENTION THE

POSSIBLE GROWTH PROBLEM MY SON IS NOT UNDERWEIGHT NOR SHORT FOR HIS

AGE OR NOT GROWING AT THE RATE HE SHOULD BE GROWING

ALSO THE MEDS ARE NOT PURSUED TO MAKE MY LIFE EASY IT IS TO HELP MY

SON BE ABLE TO SIT AND EAT ,TO BE ABLE TO SIT AND WORK ON PAPERS(EVEN

ONES HE LOVES TO DO ) HE NEEDS MEDS TO SLEEP OR HE WONT SLEEP NOW IF

THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO ANTI MEDICATION OR ADHD DONT EXIST THEY ARE

WELCOME TO SPEND A 2 WEEK PERIOD AT MY HOUSE (OVER NIGHT OF COURSE)

WITH MY 2 SONS (AND I WILL HAVE THEM OFF MEDS ) AND THEY CAN CARE TAKE

THEM HEY CAN TRY TO HELP THESE KIDS TRY TO EAT,WASH,SLEEP,PLAY,INTERACT,

BUT OF COURSE THERE MORE THAN LIKJELY WILL BE NO TAKERS .

WHAT EVER I DO FOR MY CHILD BY WAY OF MEDICATION IS NOT

JUST FOR HIS HEALTH BUT FOR THE HEALTH AND WELL BEING OF MY OTHER

CHILDREN AND MY SELF AND I TAKE GREAT OFFENCE TO BE REFERRED TO AS A

PERSON WHO IS WANTING MEDS FOR MY OWN SAKE ( IMPLIED BY THE ARTICLE

BELOW .THE MEDICATION DOES HELP ALSO ASK THE TEACHERS,ASK THE RELATIVES

OF MY KIDS,ASK THE CHURCH MY KIDS BELING TO THEY ALL HAVE SEEN MY KIDS

WITH MEDS AND WITH OUT .

BASICALLY

IN A NUTSHELL I TAKE OFFENCE TO THIS ARTICLE AND I FEEL IT IS NOTHING

BUT A CONSPIRACY THEORY AND NOTHING BUT BULLSHIT .......

-----

Original Message ----

From: "sunrose101aol" <sunrose101aol>

Autism and Aspergers Treatment

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 6:37:59 PM

Subject: Ritalin

http://www.newstarg et.com/021944. html

New research published in the August, 2007 issue of the Journal

of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry finds

that Ritalin, the amphetamine drug used to treat a fictitious medical

disorder labeled Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder,

stunts the growth of children. After three years on the psychotropic

drug, children are one inch shorter and 4.4 pounds lighter than their

peers, researchers have documented.

The psychiatric industry, of course, has been trying to play down the

growth-stunting effects of Ritalin for at least a decade. Research

conducted over the last several years by psychiatrists working for the

National Institutes of Health initially found evidence of the drug

stunting growth of children, yet nevertheless concluded that Ritalin

carries "no long-term growth risk" to children. (Those researchers, by

the way, failed to disclose their financial conflicts of interest with

drug companies.)

Because of that conclusion, psychiatrists have refrained from warning

parents about the fact that Ritalin stunts the growth of their

children, focusing instead of how their children need "treatment" to

correct a "brain chemistry disorder" that was, in reality, invented by

the Big Pharma-backed psychiatric industry as a way to sell more drugs

to children who don't need them.

Turning schoolchildren into street junkies

Ritalin is an amphetamine. In street lingo, it's called "speed."

Selling speed to children is a felony, but feeding speed to children

with a prescription is called "treatment." The practice of dosing

children with powerful, mind-altering drugs is, in fact, a form of

chemical abuse, yet it is tolerated today because it is framed in the

language of medicine. Parents and teachers all too easily agree to the

mass drugging of schoolchildren because it makes symptoms of ADHD

seemingly go away. This drugging practice is, ultimately, pursued for

the convenience of the children's caretakers and the profits of

powerful drug companies, not out of any real concern for the health of

the children.

Click here to see our related

CounterThink cartoon, "Adderall vs. Methamphetamines. "

Nutritional research has shown that the symptoms of ADHD can be

completely reversed in 80 percent of children in just two weeks by

eliminating processed foods and chemical food additives from their

diets. The so-called "disease" of ADHD is really just an expression of

behavior caused by extreme dietary imbalances. The entire theory of

ADHD can also be completely shot down by simply handing an ADHD child

an X-Box or Wii gaming system, after which the child will sit down and

engage in extremely focused, attentive and mentally demanding gaming

activities for as long as six hours without a single break, and without

distraction. If there really were such as disease as Attention

Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, such behavior would not be

possible.

The truth is that ADHD kids aren't diseased at all: Most schools are

simply boring beyond belief, and children don't learn well by being

forced to sit still at their desks and listen to teachers ramble their

way through meaningless memorization exercises dubbed "history" or

"science" or whatever the topic may be. Children learn by doing

things, and all that extra hyperactive energy has a useful

function if it's channeled into experiential learning exercises.

Does Ritalin cause permanent health damage?

This new research about Ritalin stunting the growth of children does

not answer the question of whether children ever regain their normal

height and body weight, or whether Ritalin causes a permanent stunting

of growth that cannot be reversed. It does make us wonder, however,

whether a drug that stunts physical growth might also stunt the growth

of brain cells and the nervous system, leading to intellectually

stunted children at the same time that it produces physically

stunted children.

In previous years, psychiatrists tried to argue that it wasn't Ritalin

that caused the stunting of growth -- it was the ADHD disease itself,

they claimed with a straight face! And thus, treatment with Ritalin was

the only way to return children to "normal" growth.

This kind of twisted, circular logic typifies modern psychiatric

medicine, which spontaneously invokes the existence of numerous

psychiatric "disorders" at the exact coincidental moment that

profitable pharmaceuticals become available to treat them. The logic of

psychiatry goes like this: ADHD is a real disease because it's in the

DSIM-IV manual (the bible of fictitious psychiatric disorders). ADHD is

listed in the DSIM-IV because it's a real disease according to a group

of Big Pharma-funded psychiatrists who made it up. Thus, ADHD is

real because psychiatrists say is it! (See our related cartoon, Disease Mongers, Inc., to see a humorous depiction

of this process.)

Treating children like guinea pigs

Nobody knows the long-term effects of Ritalin use on children. As a

result, the psychiatric industry is treating children like guinea pigs,

waiting to see what might happen after someone takes these amphetamines

for a decade or longer. For all we know, Ritalin might stunt the size

of the reproductive organs of these children, too, leading to future

fertility problems. Perhaps the "Ritalin generation" won't be able to

have babies. This is just a guess, but the important point here is that

the psychiatric industry is guessing, too. Nobody

knows. Long-term testing has not been done. It's all basically a "let's

give these drugs to children and see what happens" experiment. It's all

quite typical of Big Pharma today, which treats members of the public

as revenue-producing guinea pigs who are too stupid to wake up and

realize they should be questioning the outrageous claims of treatment

now being associated with harmful prescription medications.

These side effects of stunting growth and altering the brain chemistry

of children might conceivably be worth it if Ritalin were actually

treating a genuine disease. If Ritalin, for example, were preventing

brain cancer in at-risk children, it might be reasonable to trade a

reduction of cancer risk with stunted growth. But Ritalin has no

justifiable medical use whatsoever and is, in fact, more a form of

chemical mind control than anything resembling real medicine. To place

the growth of children at risk in order to give them a drug so powerful

that it would be illegal if sold to children on the street is to engage

in medical madness. There is no justification for the mass-treatment of

children today with this drug other than the clever exploitation of

human beings for profit.

The only medically proven use of Ritalin, it turns out, would be for

parents who want their children to be short and stunted. Feed those

kids enough Ritalin amphetamines, and they won't grow up to be as tall

or have as much muscle mass as their peers. It might be a strategy very

useful for grooming children for a career as a horse racing jockey, or

growing a world-class gymnast (who are all rather short due to the

physics advantage of having a shorter body and limbs), but for those

parents actually looking to raise healthy children who express their

full genetic potential, Ritalin seems to fall short. (Ahem.)

For those parents looking to ruin the health of their children, on the

other hand, dosing kids three times a day with amphetamines seems to be

quite useful. But why stop there? Why not graduate to METH

amphetamines, too, and start giving your kids street meth like the

militaries of the world already give to their soldiers? It makes about

as much sense as giving them Ritalin, but believe me, if Big Pharma

could find a way to control and legalize meth, psychiatrists would no

doubt be standing by, ready to invent a fictitious disease "treated" by

meth. (Remember, too, that street meth is manufactured from drug

company cold medicines sold over the counter to children.)

It all makes you wonder about the Partnership For a Drug-Free America,

doesn't it? This is an organization funded in part by drug companies,

which seems to have no problem whatsoever about the mass drugging of

children with Ritalin amphetamines. The "Partnership, " in my opinion,

isn't about making America drug free, it's about making America

addicted to Big Pharma's drugs while curbing use of the competition:

street drugs. The Partnership says, "Ritalin is a valuable medicine."

Are they on crack?

Click here to read about amphetamines

on Wikipedia.

Not surprisingly, when it comes to Ritalin and the drugging of

children, it's all about the profit. The best way to market a drug is

to first market a disorder, then pitch the drug as the only known

treatment for that disorder.

The chemical abuse of children

In my opinion, what's happening today in psychiatric medicine is a

crime against humanity and a form of chemical abuse towards

children. Rather than pretending that these psychiatrists have any real

medical authority, we should instead be locking them up and prosecuting

them for these Nazi-style chemical assaults upon the population. Modern

psychiatry, through its rampant chemical poisoning of the people, has

proven itself to be far more dangerous to the safety of Americans than

any terrorist threat, and in any honest society, these people would be

stripped of their right to practice "medicine," and denied access to

children. We need a nationwide restraining order against practitioners

of modern psychiatry!

I believe it is time we abolished the industry of psychiatry and its

disastrous "treatment" of children with dangerous, mind-altering

chemicals. If we continue to allow these profit-minded psych doctors to

drug an entire generation with amphetamines, the long-term consequences

to society will no doubt be devastating. Children do not need

mind-altering drugs to demonstrate normal, balanced behavior. They

simply need honest nutrition, responsible parenting and to be kept away

from refined sugars, petrochemical food additives and processed foods.

Ritalin / Adderall addicts snort the meds like cocaine

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I can only share my experience, and it is rather vast - as an adhd mom to 3 out of 4 adhd kids I have seen both sides - unmedicated and medicated. I can say that Concerta (ritalin) changed my life for nothing but the positive and it has been that way for 2 of my four kids. Molly who has AS and Hope who has Autism couldn't tolerate it and I took them off again right away. Kernan <rainysnana@...> wrote: >It may be that some kids sell their ritalin - however >most of these kids are doing drugs to

begin with.... Sorry but I would have to dissagree! Most are medicated! Not, NOT medicated. Having been on the drugs end after being put on ritalin. It made me less timid and I felt more in control. Alot like addicts will feel using cocaine or speed. My mother-in-law is a juvenile probation officer and she tells us all the time about kids getting their drugs. And If you look hard enough you will find a report that counters what you've been saying. Maybe not all kids sell their meds....but a large enough percentage eventually do. Back in the 80's they sold for $8 a pill around here! I have no clue what they sell for now. I started into drugs because I liked being skinny after being overwieght for most of my puberty. When kids came along, and I gained weight, and I couldn't get ritalin...I turned to something else. That was 25 years ago. Kernan Life may not be the party we asked for - but while we're here, let's dance!

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  • 5 months later...

My rhuemy put me on Ritalin for the fatigue. Just started on it so we will see.

Also he put me on Cymbalta which is being used for pain caused by fibro.

Hamilton <hammy412000@...> wrote: I have had fibro

diagnosed for about a year now. My rhuemy put me on

Lyrica, and it worked for awhile now it is not working I'm in extreme

pain all the time. I heard someone talk about Ritalin for fibro. If

anyone knows more about it I would appreciate knowing.

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I am interested too in hearing others who also take Ritalin or some

other meds to help w/ fatigue. When I first got diagnosed w/ RA and

fibro shortly there after I was taking efedra. I never felt jittery

or felt like my heart was racing...it helped me funtion like a normal

member of society. I was bummed when they took it off the shelves. I

have tried vitamins, energy drinks etc...but nothing worked as well as

the efedra to combat the fatigue.

It never occured to me to ask my rheumy to prescribe me a " stimulant "

like ritalin or adderall. I was wondering if anyone has tried

provigil. Thanks.

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> I have had fibro diagnosed for about a year now. My rhuemy put me on

> Lyrica, and it worked for awhile now it is not working I'm in

extreme

> pain all the time. I heard someone talk about Ritalin for fibro. If

> anyone knows more about it I would appreciate knowing.

>

> God Bless

>

> Chris

>

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I was on provigil for about 2 weeks and loved it gave me loads of energy to get

everything done. wish my rheumy would put me back on it.

Jenn

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I am interested too in hearing others who also take Ritalin or some

other meds to help w/ fatigue. When I first got diagnosed w/ RA and

fibro shortly there after I was taking efedra. I never felt jittery

or felt like my heart was racing...it helped me funtion like a normal

member of society. I was bummed when they took it off the shelves. I

have tried vitamins, energy drinks etc...but nothing worked as well as

the efedra to combat the fatigue.

It never occured to me to ask my rheumy to prescribe me a " stimulant "

like ritalin or adderall. I was wondering if anyone has tried

provigil. Thanks.

--- In , " Hamilton " <hammy412000@...>

wrote:

>

> I have had fibro diagnosed for about a year now. My rhuemy put me on

> Lyrica, and it worked for awhile now it is not working I'm in

extreme

> pain all the time. I heard someone talk about Ritalin for fibro. If

> anyone knows more about it I would appreciate knowing.

>

> God Bless

>

> Chris

>

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Like so many others, I've found the fatigue of RA to be incredibly

challenging. My pdoc and I discussed this and he prescribed Adderall

for me to help with my energy levels. I've been taking it for a little

less than a month and there is a very perceptible difference in my

energy levels. I can actually get things done now rather than turning

into a vegetable when I get home from work.

> >

> > I have had fibro diagnosed for about a year now. My rhuemy put me on

> > Lyrica, and it worked for awhile now it is not working I'm in

> extreme

> > pain all the time. I heard someone talk about Ritalin for fibro. If

> > anyone knows more about it I would appreciate knowing.

> >

> > God Bless

> >

> > Chris

> >

>

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While this disease does give you fatigue, there are many other reason that

can make that fatigue worse. First, get things like B12, ferritin, and AM

Cortisol checked. Ferritin is your blood stores, your body goes there

first. So you can be anemic and not have it show on a normal CBC. If your

cortisol isn't in the top of the range in the am (8am test) then you will

deal have a cortisol rhythm that gets turned upside down. The problem is

the " main stream " doctors aren't getting it. I saw an article were they

are starting to make the connection that several doctors have already

made. Vit B and C help to support your adrenal glands. Those that take

pred, don't need to worry so much about adrenal fatigue...but might want to

talk to their doctor about testing B12 and ferritin and if they should add

Vit C.

Kate G

At 03:58 PM 1/25/2008, you wrote:

>I am interested too in hearing others who also take Ritalin or some

>other meds to help w/ fatigue. When I first got diagnosed w/ RA and

>fibro shortly there after I was taking efedra. I never felt jittery

>or felt like my heart was racing...it helped me funtion like a normal

>member of society. I was bummed when they took it off the shelves. I

>have tried vitamins, energy drinks etc...but nothing worked as well as

>the efedra to combat the fatigue.

>It never occured to me to ask my rheumy to prescribe me a " stimulant "

>like ritalin or adderall. I was wondering if anyone has tried

>provigil. Thanks.

>

>

>

>--- In , " Hamilton " <hammy412000@...>

>wrote:

> >

> > I have had fibro diagnosed for about a year now. My rhuemy put me on

> > Lyrica, and it worked for awhile now it is not working I'm in

>extreme

> > pain all the time. I heard someone talk about Ritalin for fibro. If

> > anyone knows more about it I would appreciate knowing.

> >

> > God Bless

> >

> > Chris

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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