Guest guest Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 .x Sorry you got this me to but less so just panic which is rather normal for us with graves and anxiety. It acts faster hence the issues you had, my endo and doctors told me. It is like speed and is used as such on some circles I am told. Less is best with T3. Take care. Rosemary From: thyroid treatment [mailto:thyroid treatment ] On Behalf Of Sent: Monday, 26 October 2009 8:14 PM To: thyroid treatment Subject: anxiety with t3 does anyone have any experience of anxiety when taking t3?why would i9t happen? i tried a small amount last year and had to have emergency psyciatric care,im terrified of trying it again,although i really need too. .x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Hi - T3 is the ACTIVE hormone. It has to get into every cell in your body and brain to make them function. It has a very short half life of two days in humans, but peaks in the blood a couple of hours or so after you have taken it. This is one reason we recommend that members take it in split doses, half in the morning when you wake, and the other half in the middle of the afternoon. That way, you don't have too much T3 surging through your blood all at once. The effects of too much T3 will give you palpitations, feeling spaced out, dizzy, sweating, generally very agitated and hyPERthyroid. How much T3 did you take when you tried it a year ago. Do you remember what your thyroid gland function tests were at that time. Maybe you didn't actually need it then. Luv - Sheila does anyone have any experience of anxiety when taking t3?why would i9t happen? i tried a small amount last year and had to have emergency psyciatric care,im terrified of trying it again,although i really need too. .x No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.32/2459 - Release Date: 10/25/09 19:57:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Hi Sorry to hear you had a bad experience with T3. If you don't mind could you tell me how much T3 you had and the experience you had. If you would rather not then don't worry I will understand. Kind regards Vickyanne From: <tanyaking32@...>Subject: anxiety with t3thyroid treatment Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 10:14 AM does anyone have any experience of anxiety when taking t3?why would i9t happen?i tried a small amount last year and had to have emergency psyciatric care,im terrified of trying it again,although i really need too..x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 i only tried 10mg for 2 months and my bloods at the time was t32.1 and t4 12. i have heard it can be something to do with low cortisol or ferritin. .x > > Do you > remember what your thyroid gland function tests were at that time. Maybe you > didn't actually need it then. > > Luv - Sheila > > > > > > does anyone have any experience of anxiety when taking t3?why would i9t > happen? > > i tried a small amount last year and had to have emergency psyciatric > care,im terrified of trying it again,although i really need too. > .x > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.32/2459 - Release Date: 10/25/09 > 19:57:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Yes a person with weak adrenals can have this reaction, I am a case in point. I got it as I raised my armour, which of course has a small amount of T3 in it. I have Hashis, so also I can get a sudden overactive splurt so that makes it a double stress on the other organs. I would do a salivary cortisol test if I were u. I was diagnosed with all sorts of psychiatric disorders because of my Hashimotos and they will stay on my notes unfortunately. I now know what caused them and it is horrible, I can understand your worry. lotsa luv Dawnx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Hi , If you adrenals are low then you wouod not be able to tolerate T3- have you had them tested? > thyroid treatment > From: tanyaking32@...> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:14:22 +0000> Subject: anxiety with t3> > does anyone have any experience of anxiety when taking t3?why would i9t happen?> > i tried a small amount last year and had to have emergency psyciatric care,im terrified of trying it again,although i really need too.> .x> > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Hi , I tried a very low dose of T3 last year - I cut a 25mcg tablet of T3 into 4 pieces and cut one of the pieces in half to make about 3mcg - and had a bad reaction - high pulse and BP and feeling extremely strange. I was very worried that I would collapse. I eventually managed to get hold of Dr P and he said that my adrenals were not stable enough to tolerate even a small dose of T3. I was on a low dose of Armour at the time. I increased the Nutri Adrenal and then went on to Isocort. When I felt that I could try again with the T3, I ordered Cytomel 5mcg tablets and cut them up into quarters. I increased the quarters every week or two weeks depending on how I felt. I have had to come to the realisation that I am very sensitive to medication. I now take 25mcg of T3 split into 5 doses (a 5mcg tablet each) and as well as the T3 in the 1 and 1/8 of the Armour I am taking - that totals about 35mcg. I never thought that I would be taking so much T3 considering the very bad start I had. Don't despair - if you take things slowly and gently and get your adrenals in order, you will be able to tolerate T3 eventually. As Sheila told me, there are people who crush a tablet and take a few grains at a time. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 How do you time your doses in the day with T3 and isocort please? Just about to go on to T3 and HC alone and reduce my armour. Thanks. Keri I cut a 25mcg tablet of > > I now take 25mcg of T3 split into 5 doses (a 5mcg tablet each) and as well as the T3 in the 1 and 1/8 of the Armour I am taking - that totals about 35mcg. I never thought that I would be taking so much T3 considering the very bad start I had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Hi Keri, > How do you time your doses in the day with T3 and isocort please? Just about to go on to T3 and HC alone and reduce my armour. I take my Armour about 6.0 am when I am in bed - and sometimes my tempreature - and then go back to sleep. About 8.0 am I take 5mg of T3 and two Isocort tablets - and 5mcg T3 at 10.0 am, 12 noon, 2.0 pm and 4.0 pm. I take two Isocort tablets at 10.0 am and 12 noon. Depending on how I feel I take two, or one and a half, or one tablet at 2.0 and 4.0 pm. I know it sounds a bit fiddly but I have found this works by trial and error. I have a little pill dispenser with seperate compartments that I take to work with me and take the meds every two hours. It took a long time to get to this way of taking my meds but for the moment I feel that taking the T3 in small doses throughout the day is better for me than taking it in larger doses a couple of times a day. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Hi - are you feeling better? I am in the depths of depression - had 4 months reprieve and then it's back, so upset. My T3 is too low and not converting T4 to T3. How much armour do you take? Do you still need the armour at all? Quesions! Luv Keri > I take my Armour about 6.0 am when I am in bed - and sometimes my tempreature - and then go back to sleep. > > About 8.0 am I take 5mg of T3 and two Isocort tablets - and 5mcg T3 at 10.0 am, 12 noon, 2.0 pm and 4.0 pm. > > I take two Isocort tablets at 10.0 am and 12 noon. Depending on how I feel I take two, or one and a half, or one tablet at 2.0 and 4.0 pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Hi Keri I am now on 1 and 1/8 grain of Armour. It took me ages to get to that amount - again with half a quarter of a grain increase at a time. Over the past week I have felt better than I have done in the past 20 years. I think I have reached my optimum dose of Armour and T3 for the time being. I felt really rough a couple of weeks ago - don't know why. I have Hashi's so I keep a check on my pulse and temps. I saw Dr P in September of 2007 - I was at a very bad place health-wise at the time. When I started on the Nutri Adrenal in October 2007 I was a bag of nerves, depressed, tearful, anxious, as well as a long list of hypo symptoms, and worried that I would have to give up my job. I have cried tears of frustration, I have been scared about taking the meds which made my adrenals worse. I have increased the Armour then decreased it. I have increased the NA to 6 tablets, then found that it was not enough - then worried about taking HC - but went onto Isocort. I have started T3 then stopped it and then started it again. It has taken three years of trial and error to get to this stage - and I may have some way to go still. My symptoms improved on Armour but the T3 has been amazing - apart from not feeling so tired, my constant lower back and shoulder aches have almost disappeared. Not giving up on the T3 was worth the effort. Don't give up - don't rush - be patient - experiment - do research - ask questions. You have found a wonderful place here at the tpa - it can only get better. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Thank you s for your hope. I feel that T3 is the right move. Love Keri > Don't give up - don't rush - be patient - experiment - do research - ask questions. You have found a wonderful place here at the tpa - it can only get better. > > B > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Message edited to remove most of previous message already read. Please can you remember to do this before clicking 'SEND'. Luv - Sheila _____________________________________________ > > Don't despair - if you take things slowly and gently and get your adrenals in order, you will be able to tolerate T3 eventually. As Sheila told me, there are people who crush a tablet and take a few grains at a time. > > B > thank you denise,you have given me hope. .x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 are you on any adrenal support ? if you're not, and you had such a bad reaction to t3, i'd think you need to be on adrenal support. or do you *know* that your adrenals are ok? have you done a saliva test for your adrenals? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 , Also... I've had problems tolerating t3 this year: at first i could, then i couldn't, then i could... things that have seemed to/could be affecting this are DHEA and potassium. I was tolerating T3 (in armour) ok months back, but then i put my HC up just a little and that was it i couldn't tolerate t3 any more it made me very stressed (not sure what happened there to be honest and why i could no longer tolerate t3). Over time, i found i could start to tolerate t3 a bit. But, then I got very bad food poisoning for a week, and i think my electrolytes (potassium mainly, and sodium) got very imbalanced, especially as HC causes sodium retention/potassium loss. Potassium is needed for sensitivity to T3, i understand. Anyway, before the food poisoning, I was able to tolerate T3 and naturethroid but then i lost that ability after food poisoning - i was also on quite a high dose (60mg) of HC at the time, too to get through the food poisoning, so that could have made any electrolyte imbalance worse as well as maybe suppressing other adrenal hormones like dhea. I suspect that the food poisoning made me lose a lot of potassium and i think that's why i couldn't tolerate t3/naturethroid after the food poisoning. Again, after the food poisoning i have slowly been able to tolerate t3 again to a small extent but i still have problems with it (but not as bad as before). I was looking online earlier, and found this article: http://www.eagleclinic.com/thyroid_treatment.html What stands out is: " A lack of the adrenal hormones DHEA and cortisol can result in thyroid hormone imbalance and thyroid hormone uptake by the cells. ****This can result in the patient having symptoms of hyperthyroidism (e.g. palpitations, rapid heart beat, and shortness of breath, increased perspiration and agitation) in conjunction with symptoms of hypothyroidism.**** " I wonder if that's what happened to you? It sounds like what happened to me - i still think i have electrolyte and dhea issues. I have read several things now that say that DHEA is needed so we can use thyroid hormone. i think even a physiological dose of HC lowers DHEA as they're released by the same bit of the adrenal gland aren't they? Just a thought- might be worth considering whether your potassium and DHEA levels are ok. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 > > > What stands out is: > > " ? > > Just a thought- might be worth considering whether your potassium and DHEA levels are ok. > > Chris > thank-you chris. yes i do support my adrenals with 30 mg hc,when i last tried t3 i was only on 20mg hc.i think i shall have to be brave and retry the t3. i do have very low dhea but think ill tackle that when im optimised. .x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Ok The point of the DHEA though is that that may be part of your problem as it is needed for thyroid uptake apparently. Please do bear that in mind. C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Please can you provide further information about this, such as a website? It isn't in the list of co-factors usually given. The reason I ask is that my DHEA was very low but Dr P never suggested taking any supplements for it. Miriam > The point of the DHEA though is that that may be part of your problem as it is needed for thyroid uptake apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 http://www.eagleclinic.com/thyroid_treatment.html " A lack of the adrenal hormones DHEA and cortisol can result in thyroid hormone imbalance and thyroid hormone uptake by the cells. This can result in the patient having symptoms of hyperthyroidism (e.g. palpitations, rapid heart beat, and shortness of breath, increased perspiration and agitation) in conjunction with symptoms of hypothyroidism. " http://thyroid-disease.org.uk/index2.php?option=com_content & do_pdf=1 & id=38 " Adrenal Insufficiency The adrenals have several roles, depending on which part (inner or outer) we are looking at, but of particular concern to us are three vital hormones it produces: Aldosterone (controls blood pressure), Cortisone (handles long term stress) and DHEA (sensitises the T3 receptors on our cells " [interestingly this is a write up of a talk given by DR P.] == I think no one talks about DHEA because it is assumed that 'physiological' doses of HC don't suppress it further; i'm not convinced. if DHEA is made by the cortex and taking HC suppresses ACTH, then neither COrtisol or DHEA will be made by the cortex? > > Please can you provide further information about this, such as a website? It isn't in the list of co-factors usually given. The reason I ask is that my DHEA was very low but Dr P never suggested taking any supplements for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Everyone i've spoken to online who has had trouble tolerating t3/thyroid usp has been on HC; i too have had problems since being on HC. many people on this board are on Nutri adrenal and seem to be able to tolerate thyroid? COincidence, or not? It's only about 4 people including myself, but i wonder if the HC is cuasing more problems than it's solving by affecting other hormones such as dhea. > > > The point of the DHEA though is that that may be part of your problem as it is needed for thyroid uptake apparently. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Also, I read in Dr P's book that DHEA is needed for thyroid uptake at a cellular level. not sure what page this is - maybe about 99-100? it's only mentioned briefly. if you don't have a copy of his book let me know and i'll dig out mine and see if i can get an exact quote for you. Perhaps Dr P's gone off this theory lately? I gather that he used to recommend Vegepa (and in his book he recommended it) but doesn't now. Maybe this is something he's had a change of heart on? i don't know. (i found vegepa helpful to me anyway) <miriam_hinch@> wrote: > > > > Please can you provide further information about this, such as a website? It isn't in the list of co-factors usually given. The reason I ask is that my DHEA was very low but Dr P never suggested taking any supplements for it. > > > > Miriam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Hi It may be that the correct/advised allocation is:- HC for just levothyroxine and Nutri-adrenal extra for those on Armour/NDTs/Combinations/compounded versions etc. with minor amandements for some with unusual presentations. Anyone/perhaps most with an autoimmune problem could perhaps expect that anti-bodies to the pituitary would, at some stage, begin to wear down the capacity of the pituitary to produce all its usual complement of stimulating hormones. best wishes Bob ( just speculation ) > > > > > The point of the DHEA though is that that may be part of your problem as it is needed for thyroid uptake apparently. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Hi Interesting observation, but maybe those who do well on adrenal galndualrswere not in such a poor place to start with- adrenal insufficiency comes in all shades of grey. I tried the glandulars, but all that seemed to happen was a rise in BP!, but did brilliantly with prednisone- which as far as adrenal support is concerned is the heavy stuff. so maybe those who have done well on the glandulars just weren't in such a poor place to start with. I haven't used HC so can't comment on that. > thyroid treatment > From: chrisjtaylor46@...> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:40:54 +0000> Subject: Re: anxiety with t3> > Everyone i've spoken to online who has had trouble tolerating t3/thyroid usp has been on HC; i too have had problems since being on HC. many people on this board are on Nutri adrenal and seem to be able to tolerate thyroid? COincidence, or not? It's only about 4 people including myself, but i wonder if the HC is cuasing more problems than it's solving by affecting other hormones such as dhea.> > > > > > > > > The point of the DHEA though is that that may be part of your problem as it is needed for thyroid uptake apparently.> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Hi you could be right about this. the glandulars didn't agree with me, either - too much adrenaline in them and i was too far gone for other things to help either i think. But I did find that once i put up my HC from 2.5mg x2 a day to 5mgx2 a day that I lost the ability to tolerate Armour. when i first took Armour I felt so well - not high or stimulated or anything, just normal, which i'd not felt for years. colours were much brighter. But then as soon as i put up the dose of HC, i got real bad anxiety; don't think it was a thyroid dump though it could have been...hard to know what happened really. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 I'm not so sure it was a thyroid dump. >Worth trying again more slowly? Believe me, i have tried tried and tried so many times over these last 9 months and nothing works. I've tried it very slow, slow, fast, faster -nothuing works - sometimes i tried t3 in minute doses and it made me feel very ill. othertimes it made me feel better. really fed up wiht it. and i do not mean to imply that i'm there chopping and changing my doses all the time - i'm not. i have not been able to feel as well on t3/thyroid usp since february as when i initially tried it. at times i totally lost the ablity to tolerate t3 and like i say othr times i have felt very low, slow thoughts and t3 has 'cured' me within hours. suspect it might be linked to other things like potassium or dhea. it was when i put up hc that i got problems tolerating thyroid hormone of any kind. thanks chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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