milk thistle

March 26, 2000

Dear Chere,

Sorry to hear about your mothers reaction. Did you really mean you gave your

mother 100 milligrams of Selenium? It is usually measured in

Micrograms(mcg). Selenium is a trace mineral and can be toxic if taken in

too large a dose.The usual dose is 200 micrograms(mcg). Unfortunately many

cancer patients feel if a little is good, a lot might REALLY turn the tide.

In this case it's not true at all. But Vitamin E and selenium do work

together. I'm not too familiar with milk thistle but it is known as a very

good liver detoxifier. Beets are also good for the liver.Try Beet juice and

shredded beats with garlic. Somebody else may be more familiar with milk

thistle.

Good luck,

Arnold Gore

Consumers Health Freedom Coalition

Milk Thistle

>

> At the beginning of the week I started to give my mother Selenium with

> vitamin e. After three days she became very sick. Nausea and vomiting,

The

> week before she had undergone experimental cancer therapy in Texas. Is it

> possible for the selenium too cause this. I only gave her half the dose

on

> the bottle 100 mg per day. Or could it be a delayed reaction to the

chemo.

> Also what is Milk Thistle supposed to do for someone who has cancer. My

> mothers cancer started in the colon and progressed to the liver. I do

have

> one more question. I am asking this with a very heavy heart. My mothers

> cancer has only gotten worse. We have tried so much and there is no

> improvement. She has decided no more chemo. She is tired of feeling sick

> and tired. My mother would like to know what kind of symptoms she can

expect

> when the end is near. When she has asked the doctor we get very uncertain

> answers. As though he is avoiding the question. It is important for her

to

> know. Thankyou for all who can answer some or all my questions.

>

> Blessings,

> Chere

>

> PS. Sorry is this letter has been a repeat but for some reason it was not

> able to send out.

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March 27, 2000

Hello, my name is and have prostate cancer.

I am studying this problem of mine and have found that there are as many

people with as many cures for this disease.

The problem is, few understand it.

It is a disease of the cells. And the body is composed of many different

kinds of cells and therefore the cancer may appear different and the cures

may also be different.

Once cancer has formed...a normal cell or cells have mutated, the problem is

very bad.

To prevent a window from being broken from a base ball, there are two things

one can do.

Protect the window with some from of screen, or, don't play ball in the area.

Cancer is much the say way...

But once cancer gets going, the cure is most difficult to cure.

Even if you have a perfect immune system, this is no guarantee that you will

not get cancer.

So, what to do.

There are chemicals, herbs, heat, cold, surgery, radiation, and magic.

Sometimes and in some cases, chemicals may do the trick...and so on.

Most important is the person who understands the problem and also has

knowledge on what will work...all the things that can work.

However, many doctors have a limited knowledge on those things that are used

by mainstream medicine and can't even give you a diet to help with the

problem.

Ideally, a therapy the addresses the problem, cells of the body that do not

respond to the welfare of all. Meaning, cancer cells operate on their own...

They want to take over...and without proper form or function, they screw up

the entire mechanism, to whole body.

I may case, I keep my sugar level very low, a diet low on carbohydrates. And

add the minerals that have been found to help in the control of cancer.

Selenium, vitamin e and things like MGN-3 I also add to my diet.

Yes, in not to distant future, there will be a simple cure for cancer, but

right now...well, not easy, and no guarantees.

Like a car, when you get a flat tire, there is nothing else to do but fix it.

With cancer, the fix isn't easy to find.

And one major problem is, main stream medicine wants the magic bullet in

order to make money...that is really the bottom line ... sincerely, .

March 27, 2000

Saw your post.

I talked to Christian. He was at the number you gave me today. He is going

to come on Wednesday if he doesn't go out of town. Thanks.

Todd

March 27, 2000

Dear Friend:

As you know cancer is a impredecible disease, and no

one can see where the cancer is going to be the next

day is important that along with a Nutritional

program, and special diets which have been prove can

help to destroy cancer cells, along with a

detoxification programs to produce a cleanse of your

body any therepy will work a lot better we know in San

Diego Clinic

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that is esential in order to fight better against any

cancer.

__________________________________________________

March 27, 2000

Dear Friend : Thank you so much for

responding to my plea for help on shingle and

lymphoma. I really don't have the resources to

travel to San Diago Clinic. I must do it here. God

bless you for taking time to write me

Harold

March 28, 2000

Harold,

some insrand compies pay for treatment in Mexico. if you would like more

information you may email me at: TWIGGY8481@...

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March 28, 2000

Does Mexico take medicaid for treatment?

June 5, 2000

Dr. Cheney did mention he was using milk thistle for liver detox & glutathione recycling for CFS patients.

Al

Milk Thistle

Hello All,

I think I may have had a little herx the other night when I started taking some Milk Thistle (Silymarin). Major headache, nausea and felt awful. This is not usual for me since I take Immunopro and OLE without these symptoms. Has anyone else noticed this with Milk Thistle? I thought it might might assist the liver with detoxification and overall functioning of glutathione, but now I am not sure if I might be having a "bad" reaction to the herb. Does anyone have any opinions on Milk Thistle good or bad? I bought the Natrol brand. Is this a good name brand for herbs? I appreciate the input.

~

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September 21, 2001

Hi Nil and all

Milk thistle is probably the most important healer for issues relating to

the liver. My son used to have his liver enzymes trashed regularly by the

meds he takes to control various seizures...... once I learned that I began

to give him milk thistle and include more dandelion in our diet. Within a

very short time, his liver improved and seizures became less frequent.

Now, I buy the milk thstle seed by the pound and tincture it myself.

Capsules are also available and are what most people take.

Nil, thanks for the great info you've provided on this wonder-weed.

Hop your are weller

MJH

<< Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 23:27:47 +0300

From: " ng " <ng2113@...>

Subject: Milk Thistle

Marilyn and all

Some info on Milk Thistle..

Nil

Milk Thistle (Silybum marianum)

The common milk thistle contains some of the most potent liver-protective

substances known, collectively referred to as silymarin. Silybin is the most

significant active ingredient in silymarin. In human studies, silymarin has

demonstrated positive effects in treating liver diseases of various kinds,

including chronic hepatitis, cirrhosis, fatty infiltration of the liver and

inflammation of the bile duct.

Silymarin's effect in preventing liver destruction and enhancing liver

function is due to its ability to inhibit free radicals. These compounds are

produced by the transfer of oxygen to a polyunsaturated fatty acid, a

reaction which requires the enzyme lipoxygenase. Silymarin inhibits this

enzyme, limiting the formation of these damaging compounds.

One of the more interesting effects of silymarin is that it has also been

shown to promote liver protein synthesis. The result is an increase in the

production of new liver cells to replace damaged ones. Thus, milk thistle

serves both repair and preventative functions for the liver.

[Non-text portions >>

March 7, 2002

Hi Steve.

I don't think that Milk thistle moves mercury at all. It is taken to

improve liver function. I don't know how it does that though.

Tom

March 10, 2004

I read somewhere that all the positive studies on this involved injections.

It may not absorb well in the gut. So a large dose may make sense. Its a

good supplement based on the studies, though.

March 10, 2004

You might wish to be careful to take large dosages for prolonged time

especially if you are not sure if your phase 2 detox is not working

properly. I heard that it stimulates phase 1 detox.

Nil

Re: Milk Thistle

> I read somewhere that all the positive studies on this involved

injections.

> It may not absorb well in the gut. So a large dose may make sense. Its a

> good supplement based on the studies, though.

>

October 3, 2005

My Holistic DR says at least 200mg two to three times a day.

Judi

> How much milk thistle is appropriate.

> I have been taking 175mg twice a day along with c+e vitamins

> Just bought bottle of MT concentrate has 1000mg?

>

> Tamara

> Needlework Finisher

> www.TJDesigns.biz

> 817-274-4815

>

October 3, 2005

Follow the directions on the bottle or talk with your

health care practitioner...

--- seweasy@... wrote:

> How much milk thistle is appropriate.

> I have been taking 175mg twice a day along with c+e

> vitamins

> Just bought bottle of MT concentrate has 1000mg?

>

> Tamara

> Needlework Finisher

> www.TJDesigns.biz

> 817-274-4815

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

Jackie

January 7, 2006

In a message dated 1/7/2006 11:47:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jamkaye@... writes:

I read my Ivanhoe medical newsletter last week which said the trial of milk

thistle on people did not help their livers so I stopped using it. any

comments? joyce

I sure would like to see that research as that certainly has not been my

experience and there is long standing research showing it's effectiveness with

liver issues.

WHat is the Ivanoe nedical newletter?

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

January 8, 2006

> jamkaye@m... writes:

>

> I read my Ivanhoe medical newsletter last week which said the trial

of milk

> thistle on people did not help their livers so I stopped using it.

any comments? joyce

Joyce, Rich may answer you. I remember him talking about this several

months ago and I have been on silymarin heavy for the past year. I

think he said that the extract of silymarin from milk thistle was okay.

I kept taking my silymarin, standardized at 80%.

Bob

January 8, 2006

In a message dated 1/8/2006 5:32:51 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

lmas@... writes:

I read my Ivanhoe medical newsletter last week which said the trial of milk

thistle on people did not help their livers so I stopped using it. any

comments? joyce

===============

While the review of Milk Thistle was negative it stated that there was no

ill effect from its use. A number of patients have found it helpful.

The review of milk thistle was in the American Journal of Gastroenteology ,

here is a summary

Milk Thistle Research Update

Milk thistle, an herbal remedy used worldwide for liver disease, does not

appear to be effective. Dr. Christian Gluud of Copenhagen University Hospital

in Denmark, reviewed 13 clinical trials of milk thistle for liver disease due

to alcoholism or hepatitis B or C. The gold standard for clinical trials is

for them to be placebo-controlled and double-blind, meaning neither patients

nor the study administrators know whether a patient is taking the real drug or

placebo. Just six of the trials analyzed met this standard. The researchers

found no effect of milk thistle versus placebo on mortality rates or liver

disease complications. While the remedy appeared to reduce death from

liver-related causes when all data was included, an analysis limited to the

best-quality studies found no effect. No increased risk of adverse events was

seen with

milk thistle. SOURCE: The American Journal of Gastroenterology, November

2005

Joy

Research assistant to Dr Enlander

_www.enlander.com_ (http://www.enlander.com/)

January 8, 2006

Were they talking about milk thistle or silymarin, which I understand to be the

active component of milk thistle? And if it was silymarin, what was the

percentage? Les

milk thistle

I read my Ivanhoe medical newsletter last week which said the trial of milk

thistle on people did not help their livers so I stopped using it. any comments?

joyce

January 8, 2006

Please take into consideration that it is benefit of pharmaceutical

companies if people loose their trust in natural supplements.You might wish

to consider first your body's response to the supplement.

Best wishes

nil

milk thistle

>

January 8, 2006

Hi Joyce [this isn't directed at you ;-)]

Here is the pubmed abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=16279916 & itool=iconabstr & query_hl=1 & itool=pubmed_docsum

Am J Gastroenterol. 2005 Nov;100(11):2583-91. Related Articles, Links

Milk thistle for alcoholic and/or hepatitis B or C liver

diseases--a systematic cochrane hepato-biliary group review with

meta-analyses of randomized clinical trials.

Rambaldi A, s BP, Iaquinto G, Gluud C.

Copenhagen Trial Unit, Center for Clinical Intervention Research,

Rigshospitalet, Copenhagen University Hospital, Denmark.

OBJECTIVES: Our objectives were to assess the beneficial and

harmful effects of milk thistle (MT) or MT constituents versus placebo

or no intervention in patients with alcoholic liver disease and/or

hepatitis B and/or C liver diseases. METHODS: Randomized clinical

trials studying patients with alcoholic and/or hepatitis B or C liver

diseases were included (December 2003). The randomized clinical trials

were evaluated by components of methodological quality. RESULTS:

Thirteen randomized clinical trials assessed MT in 915 patients with

alcoholic and/or hepatitis B or C liver diseases. The methodological

quality was low: only 23% of the trials reported adequate allocation

concealment and only 46% were considered double blind. MT versus

placebo or no intervention for a median duration of 6 months had no

significant effects on all-cause mortality (relative risk (RR) 0.78,

95% confidence interval (CI) 0.53-1.15), complications of liver

disease, or liver histology. Liver-related mortality was significantly

reduced by MT in all trials (RR 0.50, 95% CI 0.29-0.88), but not in

high-quality trials (RR 0.57, 95% CI 0.28-1.19). MT was not associated

with a significantly increased risk of adverse events. CONCLUSIONS:

Based on high-quality trials, MT does not seem to significantly

influence the course of patients with alcoholic and/or hepatitis B or

C liver diseases. MT could potentially affect liver injury. Adequately

conducted randomized clinical trials on MT versus placebo may be needed.

Publication Types:

* Meta-Analysis

* Review

PMID: 16279916 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

---

The full pub would need to be obtained for more accurate assessment

- abstract states " (MT) or MT constituents " - don't know specifically

what was used, if even a high-quality standardized Silymarin extract

- abstract states " methodological quality [of reviewed trials] was

low...[with some low percentages] " ....?!

- we don't know the actual data/number of trials/product used for the

" high-quality trials " ?

Lance

p.s. - maybe instead of doing a lit review of previous (some/most

questionable) trials, they should have done a high-methodology,

high-quality product trial ...... ;-)

==============

>

> I read my Ivanhoe medical newsletter last week which said the trial

of milk thistle on people did not help their livers so I stopped using

it. any comments? joyce

>

January 8, 2006

In 1993, after three years of nonstop life threatening crises, my son's

neurologist said that he continued to seize on high doses of antiseizure

medicines because his liver enzymes were shot. His liver was compromised by

the

drugs. The doctor gave us no method to improve his liver nor could the drugs

be

stopped.

I got milk thistle and started giving it to him three times a day and within

less than three months his liver enzymes were within a decent range and

seizures provoked by this dimished in severity and frequency.

I then added dandelion and beets to our diet as they also support the liver.

My son remained on milk thistle for the next twelve years, until his death

last May.

Other things that support the liver include the amino acid, SAM-e.

Just my experience.

mjh

In a message dated 1/8/2006 10:32:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

sedanmann@... writes:

I've heard differant things from differant sources. I knew someone on

another forum who had a family history of major liver problems, and said

the milk thistle was helping her (can't remember how she measured that). I

more recently heard that it only helps if your liver is okay- helps to keep

the toxins out- but does not help repair it. Someone prescribed it to my

mom, but it was a differant dosage (lower) than what I had heard and she

told me I was wasting it by taking that much. This is not my advice, just

what I've heard ;O)

>

> I read my Ivanhoe medical newsletter last week which said the trial of

milk thistle on people did not help their livers so I stopped using it. any

comments? joyce

>

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

January 8, 2006

As your liver function improves, you will feel better. Milk thistle helps

to repair liver damage.

Hope this helps

mjh

In a message dated 1/8/2006 10:49:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

sedanmann@... writes:

How should it make you feel? I thought it was just supposed to cleanse

and protect the liver. I can see how this would indirectly make you better,

but not a direct physical change you can feel.

S-man

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

January 9, 2006

Lance - Thanks for posting this article; seems they did not test the silymarin

specifically (which I have read should be 80%). I guess the bottom line for each

person is how they feel when they take it - les

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