hashimotos

[Guest guest]

Linn that's really great news, very glad to hear it. I will then remain

hopeful for my own health.

--

At 01:21 PM 10/8/2010, you wrote:

>I should have phrased that it " can " be a symptom. I have been having

>hyper symptoms along with labs that show the same, but I will reiterate

>that it's after 5 years worth of detoxing, iodine and a number of other

>supplements that seem to have gotten me to this point. I am down to a

>small dose of Armour (60 mgs) but still feeling the same symptoms. I've

>added in ATP Cofactor twice daily, but only at half a pill each time. I

>have had very good results from this particular supplement. After labs

>again in a couple more weeks, will be phasing out the thyroid meds.

>

>Linn

>

>On Oct 8, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Baker wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>

>>Frequent BMs can also be a sign of many things, including nervousness and

>>stress and lack of sleep, and is a component of illnesses like IBS,

>>Crohn's, fibromyalgia.

>>

>>I'm concerned that people are jumping to the conclusion that people are

>>hypErthyroid when they are not. I've had brief periods of extra energy, or

>>heart flutters, that I so hoped were signs I needed to lower my thyroid

>>meds, but were just transient phenomena or detox symptoms.

>>

>>--

>>

>>At 09:44 AM 10/8/2010, you wrote:

>>

>> >Frequent bowel movements is a symptom of hyper.

>> >

>> >Linn

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

When they don't give references be suspect. They want to sell their product so of course they will say that it is the only one that doesn't cause an issue.

Steph

Re: Re: hashimotos

Byron s doesn't know what he's talking about if that's what he says. This is erroneous information about iodine.-->Hello,>>I might try Iosol iodine to see if there is a difference. Bryon s >says Lugol's/Iodoral and kelp cause hashimotos. I don't know if it is >true but Iosol iodine is not supposed to jam up the thyroid. They don't >give references and I can't back this advice up. Just another option.>>Joan>>> >> > Thanks ,> > My blood pressure is usually perfect, so it could be a hyper > symptom. I haven't checked my temperature lately, but will tomorrow morning.~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Hi Steph, check this out and let us know what you think, thanks...probably doesn't have same total body function as say, Lugol's, but appears to be useful in some situations.

Why you probably have hypothyroidism

Howenstine J

News With Views, January 2004

this is an excerpt from: http://iodine4health.com/overviews/clinicians/howenstine_clinician.htm

"...Perchlorates widely found in drinking water inhibit the production of thyroid hormone by blocking the reuptake of iodine The natural thyroid hormone (Westhyroid) and (Nature-Thyroid) is derived from fresh frozen thyroid. These products are assayed for T3 and T4 which must be within a narrow margin or the batch is rejected. Thyroid hypofunction can also be corrected with Thyrotrophin (thyroid glandular product) from reputable Standard Process Products, Palmyra, Wis., and iodine as Iosol. After taking Iosol four drops daily for 2 weeks the dose should be reduced to 2 drops daily. One tablet of Thyrotrophin is taken three times are daily as initial therapy which may need to be increased depending on basal temperatures. This dose is comparable to one grain of thyroid hormone. The use of thyrotrophin and Iosol may enable thyroid function to become restored to normal whereas the use of thyroid hormone often inhibits the thyroid gland from making

thyroid hormone in which case therapy becomes lifelong.

Konstantine

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 1:06:02 PMSubject: Re: Re: hashimotos

When they don't give references be suspect. They want to sell their product so of course they will say that it is the only one that doesn't cause an issue.

Steph

Re: Re: hashimotos

Byron s doesn't know what he's talking about if that's what he says. This is erroneous information about iodine.-->Hello,>>I might try Iosol iodine to see if there is a difference. Bryon s >says Lugol's/Iodoral and kelp cause hashimotos. I don't know if it is >true but Iosol iodine is not supposed to jam up the thyroid. They don't >give references and I can't back this advice up. Just another option.>>Joan>>> >> > Thanks ,> > My blood pressure is usually perfect, so it could be a hyper > symptom. I haven't checked my temperature lately, but will tomorrow morning.~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way

~~~~--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Hashimoto's is an autoimmune disease wherein the body perceives the thyroid

tissue as foreign and attacks it. This has nothing to do with the thyroid

making thyroid hormone or not-- most of the time it is still making it, but

the body doesn't recognize it as usable hormone. So this idea doesn't

pertain to Hashi's at all.

Second, I've already been through working with an Integrative Medicine MD

who wanted to do just this sort of extremely cautious dose with iodine and

thyroid meds. It didn't do anything to help. If tiny doses of iodine

would work none of us would be sick.

So no, this idea is theory and not actual function. And the product,

Iosol, is a Byron s product that has 1.8mg per drop, so the maximum

anyone would be taking, for two weeks only, would be 7.2mg of " ammonium

iodine " . We are quite familiar with why high doses are required to repair

the damage of iodine deficiency as we are living in a bath of halide toxins.

Moreover, Byron s says on the website for this product:

>We have received numerous reports of people taking 25 mg to 50 mg of

>potassium iodide-containing supplements each day, typically in the form of

>Lugols or Iodoral. I do not support the use of this protocol as the form

>of iodine used is inferior and the chance of congesting the thyroid with

>insoluble potassium iodide is elevated - a needless risk to take for any

>person trying to improve their health.

This is simply false. The thyroid REQUIRES the iodiDe form of iodine to

function properly, and claiming that the potassium iodide somehow

" congests " the thyroid is pure iodine phobia.

We have the information we need for the iodine protocol. If you haven't

read Dr Brownstein's Iodine book, I suggest you do. You won't keep

wondering if the iodine protocol as presented by this list is really

correct or not. Dr B makes it very very clear.

--

At 07:03 PM 10/8/2010, you wrote:

>Hi Steph, check this out and let us know what you think, thanks...probably

>doesn't have same total body function as say, Lugol's, but appears to be

>useful in some situations.

>

><http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james5.htm>Why you probably have

>hypothyroidism

>

>Howenstine J

>

>News With Views, January 2004

>

>

>

>this is an excerpt from:

><http://iodine4health.com/overviews/clinicians/howenstine_clinician.htm>http://\

iodine4health.com/overviews/clinicians/howenstine_clinician.htm

>

> " ...Perchlorates widely found in drinking water inhibit the production of

>thyroid hormone by blocking the reuptake of iodine The natural thyroid

>hormone (Westhyroid) and (Nature-Thyroid) is derived from fresh frozen

>thyroid. These products are assayed for T3 and T4 which must be within a

>narrow margin or the batch is rejected. Thyroid hypofunction can also be

>corrected with Thyrotrophin (thyroid glandular product) from reputable

>Standard Process Products, Palmyra, Wis., and iodine as Iosol. After

>taking Iosol four drops daily for 2 weeks the dose should be reduced to 2

>drops daily. One tablet of Thyrotrophin is taken three times are daily as

>initial therapy which may need to be increased depending on basal

>temperatures. This dose is comparable to one grain of thyroid hormone. The

>use of thyrotrophin and Iosol may enable thyroid function to become

>restored to normal whereas the use of thyroid hormone often inhibits the

>thyroid gland from making thyroid hormone in which case therapy becomes

>lifelong.

>

> Konstantine

>

>

>

>From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>

>iodine

>Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 1:06:02 PM

>Subject: Re: Re: hashimotos

>

>

>

>When they don't give references be suspect. They want to sell their

>product so of course they will say that it is the only one that doesn't

>cause an issue.

>

>Steph

>

> Re: Re: hashimotos

>

>

>

>Byron s doesn't know what he's talking about if that's what he says.

>This is erroneous information about iodine.

>

>--

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

thanks for the explanation, i'll get the Dr. B's book, just wondering about all the other docs on the Iodine Project site and their views.

Konstantine

From: Baker <vbaker@...>iodine Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:46:42 PMSubject: Re: Re: hashimotos

Hashimoto's is an autoimmune disease wherein the body perceives the thyroid tissue as foreign and attacks it. This has nothing to do with the thyroid making thyroid hormone or not-- most of the time it is still making it, but the body doesn't recognize it as usable hormone. So this idea doesn't pertain to Hashi's at all.Second, I've already been through working with an Integrative Medicine MD who wanted to do just this sort of extremely cautious dose with iodine and thyroid meds. It didn't do anything to help. If tiny doses of iodine would work none of us would be sick.So no, this idea is theory and not actual function. And the product, Iosol, is a Byron s product that has 1.8mg per drop, so the maximum anyone would be taking, for two weeks only, would be 7.2mg of "ammonium iodine". We are quite familiar with why high doses are required to repair the damage of iodine deficiency as we

are living in a bath of halide toxins.Moreover, Byron s says on the website for this product:>We have received numerous reports of people taking 25 mg to 50 mg of >potassium iodide-containing supplements each day, typically in the form of >Lugols or Iodoral. I do not support the use of this protocol as the form >of iodine used is inferior and the chance of congesting the thyroid with >insoluble potassium iodide is elevated - a needless risk to take for any >person trying to improve their health.This is simply false. The thyroid REQUIRES the iodiDe form of iodine to function properly, and claiming that the potassium iodide somehow "congests" the thyroid is pure iodine phobia.We have the information we need for the iodine protocol. If you haven't read Dr Brownstein's Iodine book, I suggest you do. You won't keep wondering if the iodine protocol as presented by this

list is really correct or not. Dr B makes it very very clear.--At 07:03 PM 10/8/2010, you wrote:>Hi Steph, check this out and let us know what you think, thanks...probably >doesn't have same total body function as say, Lugol's, but appears to be >useful in some situations.>><http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james5.htm>Why you probably have >hypothyroidism>>Howenstine J>>News With Views, January 2004>>>>this is an excerpt from: ><http://iodine4health.com/overviews/clinicians/howenstine_clinician.htm>http://iodine4health.com/overviews/clinicians/howenstine_clinician.htm>>"...Perchlorates widely found in drinking water inhibit the production of >thyroid hormone by blocking

the reuptake of iodine The natural thyroid >hormone (Westhyroid) and (Nature-Thyroid) is derived from fresh frozen >thyroid. These products are assayed for T3 and T4 which must be within a >narrow margin or the batch is rejected. Thyroid hypofunction can also be >corrected with Thyrotrophin (thyroid glandular product) from reputable >Standard Process Products, Palmyra, Wis., and iodine as Iosol. After >taking Iosol four drops daily for 2 weeks the dose should be reduced to 2 >drops daily. One tablet of Thyrotrophin is taken three times are daily as >initial therapy which may need to be increased depending on basal >temperatures. This dose is comparable to one grain of thyroid hormone. The >use of thyrotrophin and Iosol may enable thyroid function to become >restored to normal whereas the use of thyroid hormone often inhibits the >thyroid gland from making thyroid hormone

in which case therapy becomes >lifelong.>> Konstantine>>>>From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>>iodine >Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 1:06:02 PM>Subject: Re: Re: hashimotos>>>>When they don't give references be suspect. They want to sell their >product so of course they will say that it is the only one that doesn't >cause an issue.>>Steph>> Re: Re: hashimotos>>>>Byron s doesn't know what he's talking about if that's what he says.>This is erroneous information about iodine.>>--~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Is the endo test for Hashimoto's accurate?(I tested negative)

Do most of us with papillary cancer also have Hashi's, even if testing negative?

Below you mentioned " supporting " the adrenals. Will adrenal glandulars do the

job, along with T3 therapy for RT3 issue?

And, a little OT, but related to autoimmune: Will the iodine protocol not work

for cancer if we stay on some gluten? I know Steph said that gluten aggravates

the problem. I am wondering if the iodine protocol can overcome the bits of

cheating I haven't overcome while going gluten free.

Thanks Much

Marcy

> >

> > I am new to all of this, but have had hashimotos hypothyroidism for

> > about 12 years and have been on levothyroxine at .075mg since then.

> > I started iodoral at one tablet for one month, then 2 for on month,

> > but took a 2 week break because I didn't order it fast enough. I've

> > just started 3 tablets, but still have not noticed much of a change. I

> > have been much more fatigued and constipated since the spring and

> > recently I have had really bad anxiety symptoms, like shortness of

> > breath and feeling like I might black out. I also have had bad brain

> > fog for about 9 years. I'm taking all the supplements and sometimes do

> > the salt loading. I'm still taking my levothyroxine, and my heart rate

> > is still only about 65 beats a minute, so I don't think I need to

> > lower my dose. I got the doctor to check it about a month ago and it

> > was fine, and I'm seeing a new naturopath next week who will hopefully

> > help me. In the meantime, I'm looking for any advice, similar

> > experiences or words to support. I haven't had anxiety like this in

> > quite some time and it makes me want to quit the iodine, but i think

> > it will help in time.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Regarding Brownstein's work in which iodine shrinks nodules: does his book

address or share his experience with cancerous nodules?

Thanks

Marcy

> >

> > >these are good questions. it's a little muffled right now, until we

> > >actually see your labs.

> > >

> > >The protocol says to cut the Thyroxine in half when showing symptoms of

> > >hyper. You could be hyper with fatigue and constipation relating to iodine

> > >detox maybe. Cutting back on the iodine wouldn't hurt, either. you can

> > >always bump it back up once you see the labs.

> > >

> > >Just some guidance, but you will have to make the ultimate decision, I

> > >know it's hard.

> > >

> > > Konstantine

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >From: lynnbear3 <<mailto:lynnbear3%40.ca>lynnbear3@...>

> > ><mailto:iodine%40>iodine

> > >Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 11:30:06 AM

> > >Subject: hashimotos

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Thanks for the reply. Do you think I should cut back on the iodine or the

> > >levothyroxine until I get my thyroid tests?

> > >I'm going to try to get them done today or tomorrow, but would not get the

> > >results until next week. Any advice on what to do in the meantime?

> > >And do you think I could be hyper even though I am tired and still

> > >slightly constipated? (I go every day but it's not my normal easy time in

> > >the bathroom which changed to slightly constipated since May. i should say

> > >also that my BMs were easy and normal after I had been on iodine for a

> > >month or so. I'm wondering if the 2 week break I had from iodine altered

> > >that a bit).

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> >~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> >--A.J. Muste

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> --A.J. Muste

>

[Guest guest]

He does not treat thyroid cancer nodules with iodine. He treats with iodine after thyroid removal.

Steph

hashimotos> > >> > >> > >> > >Thanks for the reply. Do you think I should cut back on the iodine or the> > >levothyroxine until I get my thyroid tests?> > >I'm going to try to get them done today or tomorrow, but would not get the> > >results until next week. Any advice on what to do in the meantime?> > >And do you think I could be hyper even though I am tired and still> > >slightly constipated? (I go every day but it's not my normal easy time in> > >the bathroom which changed to slightly constipated since May. i should say> > >also that my BMs were easy and normal after I had been on iodine for a> > >month or so. I'm wondering if the 2 week break I had from iodine altered> > >that a bit).> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >No virus found in this incoming message.> > >Checked by AVG - <http://www.avg.com/>www.avg.com> > >Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3182 - Release Date: 10/07/10> > >01:34:00> >> >~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> >--A.J. Muste> >> >> >> >> >> >> >No virus found in this incoming message.> >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> >Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3182 - Release Date: 10/07/10 > >01:34:00> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> --A.J. Muste>

[Guest guest]

You're welcome, Renne. The most cutting edge of the iodine docs is Dr

Brownstein, which is why it's a good idea to just go with his ideas--

that's how Steph was cured of thyroid cancer, and her husband was cured of

Hashi's. Dr B is very very clear about iodine, how it works, and why we

need it. It's so simple.

The website for the Iodine Project needs to be taken for what it is-- it

hasn't been updated in quite some time, so the information there is static,

at this time. While a lot of the research presented is valid, and the

papers are interesting for their physiological information, the

interpretations and suggestions for treatment more often than not are no

longer the best state of our knowledge.

I wish that Dr Brownstein's book were available for free, because it would

make the information a lot more available. However, Dr B's books and DVDs

help fund his research, and we need him to keep doing that.

--

At 07:51 PM 10/8/2010, you wrote:

>thanks for the explanation, i'll get the Dr. B's book, just wondering

>about all the other docs on the Iodine Project site and their views.

>

> Konstantine

>

>

>

>From: Baker <vbaker@...>

>iodine

>Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:46:42 PM

>Subject: Re: Re: hashimotos

>

>

>

>Hashimoto's is an autoimmune disease wherein the body perceives the thyroid

>tissue as foreign and attacks it. This has nothing to do with the thyroid

>making thyroid hormone or not-- most of the time it is still making it, but

>the body doesn't recognize it as usable hormone. So this idea doesn't

>pertain to Hashi's at all.

>

>Second, I've already been through working with an Integrative Medicine MD

>who wanted to do just this sort of extremely cautious dose with iodine and

>thyroid meds. It didn't do anything to help. If tiny doses of iodine

>would work none of us would be sick.

>

>So no, this idea is theory and not actual function. And the product,

>Iosol, is a Byron s product that has 1.8mg per drop, so the maximum

>anyone would be taking, for two weeks only, would be 7.2mg of " ammonium

>iodine " . We are quite familiar with why high doses are required to repair

>the damage of iodine deficiency as we are living in a bath of halide toxins.

>

>Moreover, Byron s says on the website for this product:

> >We have received numerous reports of people taking 25 mg to 50 mg of

> >potassium iodide-containing supplements each day, typically in the form of

> >Lugols or Iodoral. I do not support the use of this protocol as the form

> >of iodine used is inferior and the chance of congesting the thyroid with

> >insoluble potassium iodide is elevated - a needless risk to take for any

> >person trying to improve their health.

>

>This is simply false. The thyroid REQUIRES the iodiDe form of iodine to

>function properly, and claiming that the potassium iodide somehow

> " congests " the thyroid is pure iodine phobia.

>

>We have the information we need for the iodine protocol. If you haven't

>read Dr Brownstein's Iodine book, I suggest you do. You won't keep

>wondering if the iodine protocol as presented by this list is really

>correct or not. Dr B makes it very very clear.

>

>--

>

>At 07:03 PM 10/8/2010, you wrote:

>

> >Hi Steph, check this out and let us know what you think, thanks...probably

> >doesn't have same total body function as say, Lugol's, but appears to be

> >useful in some situations.

> >

> ><http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james5.htm>Why you probably have

> >hypothyroidism

> >

> >Howenstine J

> >

> >News With Views, January 2004

> >

> >

> >

> >this is an excerpt from:

> ><http://iodine4health.com/overviews/clinicians/howenstine_clinician.htm><

>

http://iodine4health.com/overviews/clinicians/howenstine_clinician.htm>http://io\

dine4health.com/overviews/clinicians/howenstine_clinician.htm

> >

> > " ...Perchlorates widely found in drinking water inhibit the production of

> >thyroid hormone by blocking the reuptake of iodine The natural thyroid

> >hormone (Westhyroid) and (Nature-Thyroid) is derived from fresh frozen

> >thyroid. These products are assayed for T3 and T4 which must be within a

> >narrow margin or the batch is rejected. Thyroid hypofunction can also be

> >corrected with Thyrotrophin (thyroid glandular product) from reputable

> >Standard Process Products, Palmyra, Wis., and iodine as Iosol. After

> >taking Iosol four drops daily for 2 weeks the dose should be reduced to 2

> >drops daily. One tablet of Thyrotrophin is taken three times are daily as

> >initial therapy which may need to be increased depending on basal

> >temperatures. This dose is comparable to one grain of thyroid hormone. The

> >use of thyrotrophin and Iosol may enable thyroid function to become

> >restored to normal whereas the use of thyroid hormone often inhibits the

> >thyroid gland from making thyroid hormone in which case therapy becomes

> >lifelong.

> >

> > Konstantine

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

afaik the antibody test is accurate. Cancer is not autoimmune, therefore

Hashi's is not a prerequisite to getting cancer.

Vit C and unrefined salt are the specific for adrenal support and will cure

adrenal fatigue. I was also prescribed a product called Isocort, which is

a low dose of adrenal hormone. Some adrenal experts thinks Isocort is too

weak to help anyone, but it helped me through to recovery. Since starting

the iodine protocol, I had to stop taking the Isocort because it was

causing me to have an over-adrenalated reaction, which is how you know you

don't need it anymore. So you're right about the adrenal glandulars, but

Vit C and liberal unrefined salt are requirements.

I don't know the answer about gluten.

--

>Is the endo test for Hashimoto's accurate?(I tested negative)

>

>Do most of us with papillary cancer also have Hashi's, even if testing

>negative?

>

>Below you mentioned " supporting " the adrenals. Will adrenal glandulars do

>the job, along with T3 therapy for RT3 issue?

>

>And, a little OT, but related to autoimmune: Will the iodine protocol not

>work for cancer if we stay on some gluten? I know Steph said that gluten

>aggravates the problem. I am wondering if the iodine protocol can overcome

>the bits of cheating I haven't overcome while going gluten free.

>

>Thanks Much

>Marcy

>

>

> > >

> > > I am new to all of this, but have had hashimotos hypothyroidism for

> > > about 12 years and have been on levothyroxine at .075mg since then.

> > > I started iodoral at one tablet for one month, then 2 for on month,

> > > but took a 2 week break because I didn't order it fast enough. I've

> > > just started 3 tablets, but still have not noticed much of a change. I

> > > have been much more fatigued and constipated since the spring and

> > > recently I have had really bad anxiety symptoms, like shortness of

> > > breath and feeling like I might black out. I also have had bad brain

> > > fog for about 9 years. I'm taking all the supplements and sometimes do

> > > the salt loading. I'm still taking my levothyroxine, and my heart rate

> > > is still only about 65 beats a minute, so I don't think I need to

> > > lower my dose. I got the doctor to check it about a month ago and it

> > > was fine, and I'm seeing a new naturopath next week who will hopefully

> > > help me. In the meantime, I'm looking for any advice, similar

> > > experiences or words to support. I haven't had anxiety like this in

> > > quite some time and it makes me want to quit the iodine, but i think

> > > it will help in time.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

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>

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>

>

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[Guest guest]

Steph-- Given that Marcy is dealing with papillary thy cr, what would your

advice be?

--

>He does not treat thyroid cancer nodules with iodine. He treats with

>iodine after thyroid removal.

>

>Steph

>

>

> Re: hashimotos

>

>

>

>Regarding Brownstein's work in which iodine shrinks nodules: does his book

>address or share his experience with cancerous nodules?

>

>Thanks

>Marcy

>

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Hi Marcy,

You might want to do further research on gluten..it does cause cancer. Every time you ingest it you continue to damage your gut and it takes months to heal.

I know how hard it is, but, if I had cancer, gluten would be no where near me. I don't have cancer and have been gluten free only since last January. I wish I had ditched it years ago.

Dr. Braley, in his book, Dangerous Grains, does say cancer is autoimmune. I imagine there are many causes.Nonie

> afaik the antibody test is accurate. Cancer is not autoimmune, therefore > Hashi's is not a prerequisite to getting cancer.> > Vit C and unrefined salt are the specific for adrenal support and will cure > adrenal fatigue. I was also prescribed a product called Isocort, which is > a low dose of adrenal hormone. Some adrenal experts thinks Isocort is too > weak to help anyone, but it helped me through to recovery. Since starting > the iodine protocol, I had to stop taking the Isocort because it was > causing me to have an over-adrenalated reaction, which is how you know you > don't need it anymore. So you're right about the adrenal glandulars, but > Vit C and liberal unrefined salt are requirements.> > I don't know the answer about gluten.> > --> > > >Is the endo test for Hashimoto's accurate?(I tested negative)> >> >Do most of us with papillary cancer also have Hashi's, even if testing > >negative?> >> >Below you mentioned "supporting" the adrenals. Will adrenal glandulars do > >the job, along with T3 therapy for RT3 issue?> >> >And, a little OT, but related to autoimmune: Will the iodine protocol not > >work for cancer if we stay on some gluten? I know Steph said that gluten > >aggravates the problem. I am wondering if the iodine protocol can overcome > >the bits of cheating I haven't overcome while going gluten free.> >> >Thanks Much> >Marcy> >> >> > > >> > > > I am new to all of this, but have had hashimotos hypothyroidism for> > > > about 12 years and have been on levothyroxine at .075mg since then.> > > > I started iodoral at one tablet for one month, then 2 for on month,> > > > but took a 2 week break because I didn't order it fast enough. I've> > > > just started 3 tablets, but still have not noticed much of a change. I> > > > have been much more fatigued and constipated since the spring and> > > > recently I have had really bad anxiety symptoms, like shortness of> > > > breath and feeling like I might black out. I also have had bad brain> > > > fog for about 9 years. I'm taking all the supplements and sometimes do> > > > the salt loading. I'm still taking my levothyroxine, and my heart rate> > > > is still only about 65 beats a minute, so I don't think I need to> > > > lower my dose. I got the doctor to check it about a month ago and it> > > > was fine, and I'm seeing a new naturopath next week who will hopefully> > > > help me. In the meantime, I'm looking for any advice, similar> > > > experiences or words to support. I haven't had anxiety like this in> > > > quite some time and it makes me want to quit the iodine, but i think> > > > it will help in time.> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >------------------------------------> >> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT > >group IodineOT/> >> >> >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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Marcy,

> I am wondering if the iodine protocol can overcome

> the bits of cheating I haven't overcome while going gluten free.

Since I don't fully understand exactly how iodine works in our bodies,

my response to this is limited to personal experience: I have never in

the past found any health protocol which wasn't pretty much stopped in

its tracks by my body's response to grains (even those without gluten)

-- which was always an increase in inflammation. I know it's very hard

to break the addiction to grains, but like any addiction it only gets

worse and harder to cope with when indulged.

Why do I call it an addiction? Because with all that you have been

trying to do for your health, why would you even take the smallest risk

if only your common sense were in play here?

[Guest guest]

Hi /Steph:

Steph addressed this for me earlier with a recommendation for 300 iodine on the

protocol. She had a couple examples of persons she knew who beat thyca on

aggressive protocol(although she wasn't sure EXACTLY what they did, if anything

else) including one friend who " freaked " and did surgery because the

cancer--while shrinking--wasn't going away fast enough.

Wondering if Brownstein regularly/sometimes recommends thyroid removal, given

his protocol only treats post-surgical? Would you know this Steph, and is there

a way to find out?

I have to admit, I am a bit worried over the awful achy, canker-sore-like and

puncture-wound-type pain that is building in my throat at the FNA sites(darn

those radiologists and endos)and radiating deep into my ear and down the nape of

the neck. It is as if the cancer is bubbling around in there, slowly eating

away. I have numerous nodules on both sides. I want it gone!

I am at 300 as of this week, will be raising the iodine(and salt and VitC) until

I feel a detox..

Sincerely

Marcy

In iodine , Baker <vbaker@...> wrote:

>

> Steph-- Given that Marcy is dealing with papillary thy cr, what would your

> advice be?

>

> --

>

> >He does not treat thyroid cancer nodules with iodine. He treats with

> >iodine after thyroid removal.

> >

> >Steph

> >

> >

> > Re: hashimotos

> >

> >

> >

> >Regarding Brownstein's work in which iodine shrinks nodules: does his book

> >address or share his experience with cancerous nodules?

> >

> >Thanks

> >Marcy

> >

>

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks ; well said.

Gluten eating is more than an addiction: it is a lifestyle that requires

abundant energy and time to change. I have been innundated with info, and

grief,and am doing triage as to all the lifestyle changes,not just over the

thyca diagnosis, but through many injuries and miscarriage over the last few

yrs.

Not whining,just aware that I find myself unconsciously ingesting gluten in some

form or another and my family of six others are in no way going to go gluten

free for my sake.

So I guess I have to drive it home how dangerous they are.

Marcy

>

> Marcy,

> > I am wondering if the iodine protocol can overcome

> > the bits of cheating I haven't overcome while going gluten free.

> Since I don't fully understand exactly how iodine works in our bodies,

> my response to this is limited to personal experience: I have never in

> the past found any health protocol which wasn't pretty much stopped in

> its tracks by my body's response to grains (even those without gluten)

> -- which was always an increase in inflammation. I know it's very hard

> to break the addiction to grains, but like any addiction it only gets

> worse and harder to cope with when indulged.

>

> Why do I call it an addiction? Because with all that you have been

> trying to do for your health, why would you even take the smallest risk

> if only your common sense were in play here?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you're the one in charge of the cooking, you can switch others in the family over to gluten free fairly easily. My family eats what I cook, the majority of it is whole foods so that's all gluten free. You can have any fruit, veggie, or fresh meat, poultry, or fish you want. You could start out with just eating healthier and cutting out all processed foods, that pretty much eliminates gluten. Honestly none of us should be eating processed food to begin with, especially those of us with health concerns. Others in the family aren't necessarily going to be persuaded by the info, but they sure might notice how much better they're feeling once it's eliminated. That's how I got started, I went on the diet as moral support for my daughter, who was 8 at the time. I couldn't in good conscience, eat gluten in front of her when she couldn't have it. Lo and behold, guess who else had a gluten problem. I was amazed that body aches I had, just disappeared. Plus I just felt so much better. All kinds of other issues went away. We found the easiest way to start out was to just switch to whole foods. We focused on what we could eat. When we first started there wasn't that many products to choose from but there are tons now. Ten to one other family members wouldn't necessarily know they were eating gluten free items unless you told them. I know some friends that just don't let anyone see the boxes the goodies come in, all they know is that mom baked something for them. My boys and my husband eat any kind of goodie that I bake for my daughter. My biggest issue now is the expense, those guys eat a lot. The hardest issue with gluten free is bread. If you can manage without the bread to start, you'd be fine. Honestly bread isn't necessarily good for anyone anyway. Heavier styles of bread or cakes are easily duplicated with gluten free. It's the light yeasty styles of breads that are the problem. When we first started out, I used to make separate items for the two of us, then I got really good at gluten free cooking and baking and said the heck with it, everybody can eat the same thing. With my first attempts at gluten free baking, especially, the others weren't too enthusiastic but once I learned how, they ate it up. Now they don't even ask if items are gluten free. I knew I had succeeded well when my sons' friends were gobbling up the items. At first, while you're weaning off, there are lot of items you can substitute that are gluten free, if you'd like some recommendations, contact me offline, I'd be glad to help.Linn On Oct 9, 2010, at 2:25 PM, marcyzram wrote:

Thanks ; well said.

Gluten eating is more than an addiction: it is a lifestyle that requires abundant energy and time to change. I have been innundated with info, and grief,and am doing triage as to all the lifestyle changes,not just over the thyca diagnosis, but through many injuries and miscarriage over the last few yrs.

Not whining,just aware that I find myself unconsciously ingesting gluten in some form or another and my family of six others are in no way going to go gluten free for my sake.

So I guess I have to drive it home how dangerous they are.

Marcy

>

> Marcy,

> > I am wondering if the iodine protocol can overcome

> > the bits of cheating I haven't overcome while going gluten free.

> Since I don't fully understand exactly how iodine works in our bodies,

> my response to this is limited to personal experience: I have never in

> the past found any health protocol which wasn't pretty much stopped in

> its tracks by my body's response to grains (even those without gluten)

> -- which was always an increase in inflammation. I know it's very hard

> to break the addiction to grains, but like any addiction it only gets

> worse and harder to cope with when indulged.

>

> Why do I call it an addiction? Because with all that you have been

> trying to do for your health, why would you even take the smallest risk

> if only your common sense were in play here?

>

>

>

Linn Sew Sweet Designz by Linnhttp://www.sewsweetdesignzbylinn.com281-778-1006

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Marcy--

Great, thanks for the clarification.

Was the pain there before you started iodine? I'm asking because sometimes

people experience a severe pain in their thyroids after starting iodine,

particularly when there is a physical malady there, and it has to do with

the tissues desperate sucking in the iodine.

Good plan on raising to detox. Are you painting Lugol's on the outside of

your throat? Highly recommended for this type of issue.

--

At 02:09 PM 10/9/2010, you wrote:

>Hi /Steph:

>

>Steph addressed this for me earlier with a recommendation for 300 iodine

>on the protocol. She had a couple examples of persons she knew who beat

>thyca on aggressive protocol(although she wasn't sure EXACTLY what they

>did, if anything else) including one friend who " freaked " and did surgery

>because the cancer--while shrinking--wasn't going away fast enough.

>

>Wondering if Brownstein regularly/sometimes recommends thyroid removal,

>given his protocol only treats post-surgical? Would you know this Steph,

>and is there a way to find out?

>

>I have to admit, I am a bit worried over the awful achy, canker-sore-like

>and puncture-wound-type pain that is building in my throat at the FNA

>sites(darn those radiologists and endos)and radiating deep into my ear and

>down the nape of the neck. It is as if the cancer is bubbling around in

>there, slowly eating away. I have numerous nodules on both sides. I want

>it gone!

>

>I am at 300 as of this week, will be raising the iodine(and salt and VitC)

>until I feel a detox..

>

>Sincerely

>Marcy

>

>

>In iodine , Baker <vbaker@...> wrote:

> >

> > Steph-- Given that Marcy is dealing with papillary thy cr, what would your

> > advice be?

> >

> > --

> >

> > >He does not treat thyroid cancer nodules with iodine. He treats with

> > >iodine after thyroid removal.

> > >

> > >Steph

> > >

> > >

> > > Re: hashimotos

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Regarding Brownstein's work in which iodine shrinks nodules: does his

> book

> > >address or share his experience with cancerous nodules?

> > >

> > >Thanks

> > >Marcy

> > >

> >

> >

> > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > --A.J. Muste

> >

>

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>

>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Oh, I was HOPING you'd say that! (hahaha)

Seriously,if iodine nourishment is causing the reaction of stiff pain,

tightness, stinging and ache all through the thryoid and lymphs, then I would be

thrilled--instead of terrorized!

The pain was always there,for years, but different.(I have been to 6 different

practitioners over this neck/jaw pain the past four yrs) Since iodine, it has

definitely become exacerbated, and augmented,i.e.: additional types and areas of

pain.

I have Lugol's in a bottle that I bought from Swanson. Is it correct to have it

be only a 2% solution? Will that work? I will try painting it on.

And if you have any expanded information about this phenomena of such neck pain

and itching as a result of iodine, I would appreciate it.Maybe there is an

additional supplement or amount of supplement that I should be taking for this

particular symptom.

Thanks again

Marcy

> > >

> > > Steph-- Given that Marcy is dealing with papillary thy cr, what would your

> > > advice be?

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > > >He does not treat thyroid cancer nodules with iodine. He treats with

> > > >iodine after thyroid removal.

> > > >

> > > >Steph

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Re: hashimotos

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Regarding Brownstein's work in which iodine shrinks nodules: does his

> > book

> > > >address or share his experience with cancerous nodules?

> > > >

> > > >Thanks

> > > >Marcy

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > > --A.J. Muste

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >------------------------------------

> >

> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

> >group IodineOT/

> >

> >

> >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Steph-- can you address the issue of iodine causing pain and/or itching in

the thyroid?

I've stated about all I know about it, Marcy. Except to say that it's the

thyroid desperate for iodine that causes it, and giving it all the iodine

it wants is the answer for that problem.

2% Lugol's will be just fine for painting on your neck It is true that

Lugol's can irritate skin, so don't paint paint paint every 5 minutes. Do

it 2-3 times a day and gauge your skin carefully-- if your skin starts to

feel like it might break out with dermatitis, you'll need to stop, but if

your skin is happy, you can paint more. Some people don't have any problem

with skin reaction, btw. I have painted and haven't had any problems.

--V

>Oh, I was HOPING you'd say that! (hahaha)

>

>Seriously,if iodine nourishment is causing the reaction of stiff pain,

>tightness, stinging and ache all through the thryoid and lymphs, then I

>would be thrilled--instead of terrorized!

>

>The pain was always there,for years, but different.(I have been to 6

>different practitioners over this neck/jaw pain the past four yrs) Since

>iodine, it has definitely become exacerbated, and augmented,i.e.:

>additional types and areas of pain.

>

>I have Lugol's in a bottle that I bought from Swanson. Is it correct to

>have it be only a 2% solution? Will that work? I will try painting it on.

>And if you have any expanded information about this phenomena of such neck

>pain and itching as a result of iodine, I would appreciate it.Maybe there

>is an additional supplement or amount of supplement that I should be

>taking for this particular symptom.

>

>Thanks again

>

>Marcy

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Steph-- Given that Marcy is dealing with papillary thy cr, what

> would your

> > > > advice be?

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > >

> > > > >He does not treat thyroid cancer nodules with iodine. He treats with

> > > > >iodine after thyroid removal.

> > > > >

> > > > >Steph

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: hashimotos

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Regarding Brownstein's work in which iodine shrinks nodules: does his

> > > book

> > > > >address or share his experience with cancerous nodules?

> > > > >

> > > > >Thanks

> > > > >Marcy

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > > > --A.J. Muste

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >------------------------------------

> > >

> > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

> > >group IodineOT/

> > >

> > >

> > >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

I missed what you said so forgive me if this is a repeat. I just scanned below. Yes Brownstein recommends removal for cancer. He says it reduces the load on the body by removing the cancerous "item" so that it can heal better - he and I disagree. He has not lived in a thyroidless body and it can be hell on days. I would say 90% or more of the people on the thyroidless group I am on have stated if they could do it again they would not remove their thyroid. Since I know it is possible to heal naturally I would want to try this first to avoid removal. Metabolically it really messes you up.

Thyroid pain can be caused from the gland swelling in an attempt to capture more iodine in the blood stream.

Itching and rashes are usually a histamine reaction from the toxins being forced out of the body. Remember your skin is one of the main detoxification pathways.

Steph

Re: hashimotos> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >Regarding Brownstein's work in which iodine shrinks nodules: does his> > > book> > > > >address or share his experience with cancerous nodules?> > > > >> > > > >Thanks> > > > >Marcy> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> > > > --A.J. Muste> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >------------------------------------> > >> > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT> > >group IodineOT/> > >> > >> > >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Hi Marcy,

I had sharp breast pain. After I used curcumin, it was gone overnight.You may

want to try it. Quite safe if you don't have gallbladder problem.

BTW, how much ATP cofactor are you taking at 200mg iodine?

Thanks,

Jen

>

> Oh, I was HOPING you'd say that! (hahaha)

>

> Seriously,if iodine nourishment is causing the reaction of stiff pain,

tightness, stinging and ache all through the thryoid and lymphs, then I would be

thrilled--instead of terrorized!

>

> The pain was always there,for years, but different.(I have been to 6 different

practitioners over this neck/jaw pain the past four yrs) Since iodine, it has

definitely become exacerbated, and augmented,i.e.: additional types and areas of

pain.

>

> I have Lugol's in a bottle that I bought from Swanson. Is it correct to have

it be only a 2% solution? Will that work? I will try painting it on.

> And if you have any expanded information about this phenomena of such neck

pain and itching as a result of iodine, I would appreciate it.Maybe there is an

additional supplement or amount of supplement that I should be taking for this

particular symptom.

>

> Thanks again

>

> Marcy

>

>

[Guest guest]

How much circumin? I am happy to try anything. I am at the end of a two-day

break from iodine protocol and the pain and tightness in the neck(pun

intended)is just as bad. It has been bad ever since the FNA, actually. I thought

it just might be the iodine making it act up, but now I am not so sure.

I am taking the recommended amount for the protocol. I asked if I should alter

any of the other ingredients in proportion to the iodine, but have not received

a reply, so I just take the 200 B-2(100 2x day) and B-6 (500)as well as a

B-complex.

thanks

Marcy

> >

> > Oh, I was HOPING you'd say that! (hahaha)

> >

> > Seriously,if iodine nourishment is causing the reaction of stiff pain,

tightness, stinging and ache all through the thryoid and lymphs, then I would be

thrilled--instead of terrorized!

> >

> > The pain was always there,for years, but different.(I have been to 6

different practitioners over this neck/jaw pain the past four yrs) Since iodine,

it has definitely become exacerbated, and augmented,i.e.: additional types and

areas of pain.

> >

> > I have Lugol's in a bottle that I bought from Swanson. Is it correct to have

it be only a 2% solution? Will that work? I will try painting it on.

> > And if you have any expanded information about this phenomena of such neck

pain and itching as a result of iodine, I would appreciate it.Maybe there is an

additional supplement or amount of supplement that I should be taking for this

particular symptom.

> >

> > Thanks again

> >

> > Marcy

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for answering.

With all due respect, , I think you owed it to me, ethically, to give

this information right upfront when I asked about cancer. IF Brownstein is the

Master,and his books and his protocol are all being referenced, then surely,

absolutely, we have every right to know his protocol for cancer--which is

removal.

Thus we would not be led into thinking that idodine for cancer is the only

better way, as we go through the boards searching for a way to self-medicate in

this life-threatening crisis.

I believe that giving this truthful information about Brownstein's protocol for

cancer does not mean you would have to recommend it. The second half of your

reply explains very well why you and so many others would NOT remove your

thyroid, and I take your opinion and experience with great weight(heck, I ahve

been trying desperately to follow it all, even with a gnawing fear about

spreading cancer) But it does allow us to make a more free choice, and not feel

guilty if we eventually decide to go for the thyroidectomy.

I have had the gut instinct that the cancer could spread far more easily than it

could be caught, that it is far easier to rid the body of bits of tissue(and

that alone took you four years!)than it is to dissolve all the honkin big, hard

tumors.

Thank you for clarifying; I sincerely hope you will consider this very

thoughtfully when offering iodine protocol for cancer.

If you omit this glaring piece of Brownstein's work, simply because you don't

agree, you run the risk of losing legitimacy and trust in other areas in which

you advise and have experience. It would be better to give all of his protocol,

and then explain why you feel so vociferously different. That's where

credibility and authority lie, most importantly for a moderator and a

naturopath.

Sincerely

Marcy

> > > > >

> > > > > Steph-- Given that Marcy is dealing with papillary thy cr, what

> > would your

> > > > > advice be?

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > >

> > > > > >He does not treat thyroid cancer nodules with iodine. He treats

with

> > > > > >iodine after thyroid removal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Steph

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: hashimotos

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Regarding Brownstein's work in which iodine shrinks nodules: does

his

> > > > book

> > > > > >address or share his experience with cancerous nodules?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Thanks

> > > > > >Marcy

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > > > > --A.J. Muste

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Excellent post . Thank you.

Question:

You wrote, " Yes it took me 4 years but my cancer markers were slowly coming down

each year. "

What exactly are the cancer markers on the tests? When they come down what are

you seeing in the numbers?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Steph-- Given that Marcy is dealing with papillary thy cr, what

> > > would your

> > > > > > advice be?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >He does not treat thyroid cancer nodules with iodine. He treats

with

> > > > > > >iodine after thyroid removal.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Steph

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: hashimotos

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Regarding Brownstein's work in which iodine shrinks nodules: does

his

> > > > > book

> > > > > > >address or share his experience with cancerous nodules?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Thanks

> > > > > > >Marcy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > > > > > --A.J. Muste

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Actually, Steph has mentioned this before -- & I haven't been on the list a terribly long time. She is usually clear about when she is speaking for Dr. B. & when she is giving her own opinion.There is a school of thought that when a large cancer is removed, that encourages the metastases. The theory goes that the cancerous cells communicate with each other, & when the large one disappears, that signals the small ones to grow.The theory that we are somehow "safe" when a cancer is removed has shown to be false over & over again. They TELL people they are safe, but then the cancer recurs somewhere else.This choice is not cut & dried.AnneOn Oct 10, 2010, at 5:20 PM, marcyzram wrote: Thank you for answering. With all due respect, , I think you owed it to me, ethically, to give this information right upfront when I asked about cancer. IF Brownstein is the Master,and his books and his protocol are all being referenced, then surely, absolutely, we have every right to know his protocol for cancer--which is removal. Thus we would not be led into thinking that idodine for cancer is the only better way, as we go through the boards searching for a way to self-medicate in this life-threatening crisis. I believe that giving this truthful information about Brownstein's protocol for cancer does not mean you would have to recommend it. The second half of your reply explains very well why you and so many others would NOT remove your thyroid, and I take your opinion and experience with great weight(heck, I ahve been trying desperately to follow it all, even with a gnawing fear about spreading cancer) But it does allow us to make a more free choice, and not feel guilty if we eventually decide to go for the thyroidectomy. I have had the gut instinct that the cancer could spread far more easily than it could be caught, that it is far easier to rid the body of bits of tissue(and that alone took you four years!)than it is to dissolve all the honkin big, hard tumors. Thank you for clarifying; I sincerely hope you will consider this very thoughtfully when offering iodine protocol for cancer. If you omit this glaring piece of Brownstein's work, simply because you don't agree, you run the risk of losing legitimacy and trust in other areas in which you advise and have experience. It would be better to give all of his protocol, and then explain why you feel so vociferously different. That's where credibility and authority lie, most importantly for a moderator and a naturopath. Sincerely Marcy > > > > > > > > > > Steph-- Given that Marcy is dealing with papillary thy cr, what > > would your > > > > > advice be? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > >He does not treat thyroid cancer nodules with iodine. He treats with > > > > > >iodine after thyroid removal. > > > > > > > > > > > >Steph > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: hashimotos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regarding Brownstein's work in which iodine shrinks nodules: does his > > > > book > > > > > >address or share his experience with cancerous nodules? > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > >Marcy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > > > > > --A.J. Muste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > > > > > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT > > > >group IodineOT/ > > > > > > > > > > > >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e