Guest guest Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 I'm having a hard time understanding how a seven year old, who is thin and very hyperactive, can be hypothyroid. My son does get tired easy with physical activity (which seems counter to what I just said, but it is true). He is very restricted in his diet due to digestive issues (which are much better but still an issue). He is also very, very picky about what he eats and will only eat a select amount of foods. I push protein, but he won't eat much - the only meat he will eat is a beef burger about once a week or once every two weeks, turkey burgers once or twice a week, or nitrate free, organic bacon. Could that have anything to do with the thyroid? Anyone have any experience with adhd and hypothyroid? Thanks! Viola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 I have pondered this one a bit myself. I am very overweight -- eating normally, or slightly less than normally. My son is very thin -- eating very, very little (as in hardly enough to keep a bird alive. People always joke about how much food young men can pack away, but my young man never has.) My guess is that my kid would have starved if he weren't on the hypothyroid side. (Just a guess, however.)As to the activity level, there is a paradox there, too. A kid can be very hyper in terms of stimming behavior, pacing around, being unable to sit still, & still have no energy for purposeful behavior. I know exactly what you are talking about. And it doesn't make any sense. But a lot of us dealing with a kid on the ADD/autistic spectrum see the same thing. It's almost as though normal, healthy energy is being redirected to the stims & OCDs & pacing & restlessness in some perverse way -- sucked away from the pathways where it would be useful. Or maybe all the hyper stuff just wears him out so he has nothing left for purposeful behavior? (But even when he is totally pooped, he can still be pacing around like a restless tiger...)I don't know if iodine is the answer for either of us, yet. I hope somebody who has been using iodine longer can encourage both of us.AnneOn Sep 10, 2010, at 3:03 AM, Viola wrote: I'm having a hard time understanding how a seven year old, who is thin and very hyperactive, can be hypothyroid. My son does get tired easy with physical activity (which seems counter to what I just said, but it is true). He is very restricted in his diet due to digestive issues (which are much better but still an issue). He is also very, very picky about what he eats and will only eat a select amount of foods. I push protein, but he won't eat much - the only meat he will eat is a beef burger about once a week or once every two weeks, turkey burgers once or twice a week, or nitrate free, organic bacon. Could that have anything to do with the thyroid? Anyone have any experience with adhd and hypothyroid? Thanks! Viola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 That is how my son was / is. He is 10 yrs old, on 2 gr Nature-throid and 25 mgs Iodoral. He is very tall but very thin. Before thyroid meds he did not grow and was so skinny. He was hyperactive and short fused. He displayed symptoms of ADD / ADHD. When treated with Armour it got better. When given DHA oils he got better. When we removed gluten and dairy it got better yet. Then we started to detox him with CoQ10 and other supplements and his fog began to lift. It isn't just one thing but hypothyroid children are classically hyper and thin. I remember reading why but can't recall right now. There is precious little info about hypothyroid children. Steph Re: hypothyroid and adhd.... I have pondered this one a bit myself. I am very overweight -- eating normally, or slightly less than normally. My son is very thin -- eating very, very little (as in hardly enough to keep a bird alive. People always joke about how much food young men can pack away, but my young man never has.) My guess is that my kid would have starved if he weren't on the hypothyroid side. (Just a guess, however.) As to the activity level, there is a paradox there, too. A kid can be very hyper in terms of stimming behavior, pacing around, being unable to sit still, & still have no energy for purposeful behavior. I know exactly what you are talking about. And it doesn't make any sense. But a lot of us dealing with a kid on the ADD/autistic spectrum see the same thing. It's almost as though normal, healthy energy is being redirected to the stims & OCDs & pacing & restlessness in some perverse way -- sucked away from the pathways where it would be useful. Or maybe all the hyper stuff just wears him out so he has nothing left for purposeful behavior? (But even when he is totally pooped, he can still be pacing around like a restless tiger...) I don't know if iodine is the answer for either of us, yet. I hope somebody who has been using iodine longer can encourage both of us. Anne On Sep 10, 2010, at 3:03 AM, Viola wrote: I'm having a hard time understanding how a seven year old, who is thin and very hyperactive, can be hypothyroid. My son does get tired easy with physical activity (which seems counter to what I just said, but it is true).He is very restricted in his diet due to digestive issues (which are much better but still an issue). He is also very, very picky about what he eats and will only eat a select amount of foods. I push protein, but he won't eat! much - the only meat he will eat is a beef burger about once a week or once every two weeks, turkey burgers once or twice a week, or nitrate free, organic bacon.Could that have anything to do with the thyroid?Anyone have any experience with adhd and hypothyroid?Thanks!Viola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 I can relate to this. Totally. Our son just turned 8 and has history of hyperactive, constantly moving, and yet exhausted. Always exhausted. He's very thin as well. There was always something-something underlying that we just could not put our finger on, and it's been years of trying to figure it out. Over the years we worked with so many things. He was tested for gluten with negative results. We still kept him off of it since it seemed to help him. Same with dairy. His diet was good. He was eating a really good whole foods diet with no additives, lots of veggies,nuts, seeds, low carbs, etc. Last winter everything came crashing down with more exhaustion and more hyper. It was exhausting just to watch him. Of course his mood went along with it. Everything was so up and down and we had a hard time figuring it out. Then he started getting headaches and visual problems that were very unusual. Along with nausea and other digestive issues. We realized he was having migraines and started again trying to eliminate foods and make some sense of the symptoms, as they were quite severe. It didn't seem to make sense but he was reacting almost every time he ate, like he was in a over reactive mode. It was very difficult. We tested him for some food allergies that coincided with his symptoms and everything came back negative/ Luckily we had thrown in a few environmental allergens on the testing, as the only thing that came back positive was mold. Alternaria Alternata. An outdoor mold that is also food-borne. Things finally started to make sense. He wasn't reacting to the food itself, but the mold IN the food. It makes sense now, that he would react after eating something dried or something aged, anything fermented would send him into hyper mode. I cannot imagine what it felt like to have so many ups and downs in a tiny little body like that. Thinking back, it's no wonder it was so difficult to figure out. So many variables. So, the main things we did at the time were of course to eliminate all things with high mold or the hint of mold. Ugh, that was a feat. No nuts, (boo) no dried fruit, (sigh) no yeast, no fermented anythings, and the list goes on. And to get him on magnesium, vitamin C, vitamin D and a good probiotic. These were the things that got him through. He had to have magnesium or he would get the migraines again. The vitamin C was a huge help as a natural anti histamine Vitamin D is connected to all sorts of things but really helped him with the hyper stuff and i'm sure it must have helped with gut stuff as well. I've read ADHD being connected to Vitamin D deficiency as well, so it makes sense to make sure D level is up. (was it Anne who mentioned ADD/Autistic Spectrum/OCD? I've read connection with D deficiency with those, as well.) The probiotic has helped immensely. We added iodine later and now continue with 12.5mg 5days/week. We noticed improvement daily, weekly, monthly & Today he is a different child. Wait, no, not a different child but a healthier happier calmer child that we can see more clearly, without all the other stuff. Ahhh. His focus is clearer, he's happier and overall sillier, which is so refreshing. We're so glad we finally figured out some of his stuff, knowing it certainly could have gone on many more years without discovering something so relevant. Steph, it's interesting to read your comment about hypothyroid children being classically hyper and thin. I would love more info on that if you come across your reference. Anyway, just wanted to share some of our little story in case it might help anyone else dealing with similar stuff. Sally I'm having a hard time understanding how a seven year old, who is thin and very hyperactive, can be hypothyroid. My son does get tired easy with physical activity (which seems counter to what I just said, but it is true). He is very restricted in his diet due to digestive issues (which are much better but still an issue). He is also very, very picky about what he eats and will only eat a select amount of foods. I push protein, but he won't eat much - the only meat he will eat is a beef burger about once a week or once every two weeks, turkey burgers once or twice a week, or nitrate free, organic bacon. Could that have anything to do with the thyroid? Anyone have any experience with adhd and hypothyroid? Thanks! Viola > > > > I'm having a hard time understanding how a seven year old, who is thin and very hyperactive, can be hypothyroid. > > My son does get tired easy with physical activity (which seems counter to what I just said, but it is true). > > He is very restricted in his diet due to digestive issues (which are much better but still an issue). He is also very, very picky about what he eats and will only eat a select amount of foods. I push protein, but he won't eat! much - the only meat he will eat is a beef burger about once a week or once every two weeks, turkey burgers once or twice a week, or nitrate free, organic bacon. > > Could that have anything to do with the thyroid? > > Anyone have any experience with adhd and hypothyroid? > > Thanks! > > Viola > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 Wow Sally you have been through it too. That's wonderful that you stuck with it. Many people I know try one thing and declare it not to work after a few weeks. It can take years to heal. There are so many things - one doctor says it's like peeling an onion. I think the reference to thin / hyper children was in an Australian or European document on hypothyroidism in children. I think I pulled it down and saved it somewhere but can't remember at the moment. I know there was some info on hypo T in children in Dr. Mark Starr's book Hypothyroidism Type 2 but can't remember if it discussed this in particular. It was good information though. Most of the children hypo info is about children born with congenital hypo T which is different than what my children have. It's all a big puzzle and just when you think you figure it out....... you didn't. Steph Re: hypothyroid and adhd.... I can relate to this. Totally.Our son just turned 8 and has history of hyperactive, constantly moving, and yet exhausted.Always exhausted. He's very thin as well. There was always something-something underlying that we just could not put our finger on, and it's been years of trying to figure it out.Over the years we worked with so many things. He was tested for gluten with negative results. We still kept him off of it since it seemed to help him.Same with dairy. His diet was good. He was eating a really good whole foods diet with no additives, lots of veggies,nuts, seeds, low carbs, etc.Last winter everything came crashing down with more exhaustion and more hyper. It was exhausting just to watch him. Of course his mood went along with it. Everything was so up and down and we had a hard time figuring it out.Then he started getting headaches and visual problems that were very unusual. Along with nausea and other digestive issues.We realized he was having migraines and started again trying to eliminate foods and make some sense of the symptoms, as they were quite severe.It didn't seem to make sense but he was reacting almost every time he ate, like he was in a over reactive mode.It was very difficult. We tested him for some food allergies that coincided with his symptoms and everything came back negative/Luckily we had thrown in a few environmental allergens on the testing, as the only thing that came back positive was mold. Alternaria Alternata. An outdoor mold that is also food-borne.Things finally started to make sense. He wasn't reacting to the food itself, but the mold IN the food. It makes sense now, that he would react after eating something dried or something aged, anything fermented would send him into hyper mode.I cannot imagine what it felt like to have so many ups and downs in a tiny little body like that. Thinking back, it's no wonder it was so difficult to figure out. So many variables. So, the main things we did at the time were of course to eliminate all things with high mold or the hint of mold.Ugh, that was a feat. No nuts, (boo) no dried fruit, (sigh) no yeast, no fermented anythings, and the list goes on.And to get him on magnesium, vitamin C, vitamin D and a good probiotic.These were the things that got him through. He had to have magnesium or he would get the migraines again. The vitamin C was a huge help as a natural anti histamineVitamin D is connected to all sorts of things but really helped him with the hyper stuff and i'm sure it must have helped with gut stuff as well.I've read ADHD being connected to Vitamin D deficiency as well, so it makes sense to make sure D level is up. (was it Anne who mentioned ADD/Autistic Spectrum/OCD? I've read connection with D deficiency with those, as well.)The probiotic has helped immensely. We added iodine later and now continue with 12.5mg 5days/week.We noticed improvement daily, weekly, monthly & Today he is a different child. Wait, no, not a different child but a healthier happier calmer child that we can see more clearly, without all the other stuff. Ahhh.His focus is clearer, he's happier and overall sillier, which is so refreshing.We're so glad we finally figured out some of his stuff, knowing it certainly could have gone on many more years without discovering something so relevant.Steph, it's interesting to read your comment about hypothyroid children being classically hyper and thin.I would love more info on that if you come across your reference.Anyway, just wanted to share some of our little story in case it might help anyone else dealing with similar stuff.SallyI'm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 Yeah, I guess you could say we've been through it. It's been a long haul, i will say that, but definitely worth pushing through to the other side. We had to stick with it. You know, it's kind of an ebb and flow, over the years, things are ok, tolerable, then they get off kilter or go bonkers and what to do?? You Have to keep searching and trying things. It's the only way to sanity - well, and to health. I agree, totally like an onion. Lots of layers but at least we've uncovered a huge chunk of it, and it goes on from there. It's so nice to see our kids really take an active part in their health, choosing the things they eat based on how they know it benefits them and knowing far beyond their little ages. It's a crazy world. Fascinating about the thin-hyper Hypo children. I agree, it's a never-ending, ever-winding, ongoing puzzle, but we do the best we can with the info we have, and keep digging for the rest til we find it. Dig on! -Sally > > Wow Sally you have been through it too. That's wonderful that you stuck with it. Many people I know try one thing and declare it not to work after a few weeks. It can take years to heal. There are so many things - one doctor says it's like peeling an onion. > > I think the reference to thin / hyper children was in an Australian or European document on hypothyroidism in children. I think I pulled it down and saved it somewhere but can't remember at the moment. I know there was some info on hypo T in children in Dr. Mark Starr's book Hypothyroidism Type 2 but can't remember if it discussed this in particular. It was good information though. Most of the children hypo info is about children born with congenital hypo T which is different than what my children have. It's all a big puzzle and just when you think you figure it out....... you didn't. > > Steph > > > Re: hypothyroid and adhd.... > > > > > > I can relate to this. Totally. > Our son just turned 8 and has history of hyperactive, constantly moving, and yet exhausted. > Always exhausted. He's very thin as well. > There was always something-something underlying that we just could not put our finger on, and it's been years of trying to figure it out. > Over the years we worked with so many things. > He was tested for gluten with negative results. We still kept him off of it since it seemed to help him. > Same with dairy. His diet was good. He was eating a really good whole foods diet with no additives, lots of veggies,nuts, seeds, low carbs, etc. > > Last winter everything came crashing down with more exhaustion and more hyper. It was exhausting just to watch him. Of course his mood went along with it. Everything was so up and down and we had a hard time figuring it out. > > Then he started getting headaches and visual problems that were very unusual. Along with nausea and other digestive issues. > We realized he was having migraines and started again trying to eliminate foods and make some sense of the symptoms, as they were quite severe. > It didn't seem to make sense but he was reacting almost every time he ate, like he was in a over reactive mode. > It was very difficult. We tested him for some food allergies that coincided with his symptoms and everything came back negative/ > Luckily we had thrown in a few environmental allergens on the testing, as the only thing that came back positive was mold. > Alternaria Alternata. An outdoor mold that is also food-borne. > Things finally started to make sense. > He wasn't reacting to the food itself, but the mold IN the food. > It makes sense now, that he would react after eating something dried or something aged, anything fermented would send him into hyper mode. > I cannot imagine what it felt like to have so many ups and downs in a tiny little body like that. Thinking back, it's no wonder it was so difficult to figure out. So many variables. > > So, the main things we did at the time were of course to eliminate all things with high mold or the hint of mold. > Ugh, that was a feat. No nuts, (boo) no dried fruit, (sigh) no yeast, no fermented anythings, and the list goes on. > And to get him on magnesium, vitamin C, vitamin D and a good probiotic. > These were the things that got him through. He had to have magnesium or he would get the migraines again. The vitamin C was a huge help as a natural anti histamine > Vitamin D is connected to all sorts of things but really helped him with the hyper stuff and i'm sure it must have helped with gut stuff as well. > I've read ADHD being connected to Vitamin D deficiency as well, so it makes sense to make sure D level is up. > (was it Anne who mentioned ADD/Autistic Spectrum/OCD? I've read connection with D deficiency with those, as well.) > The probiotic has helped immensely. We added iodine later and now continue with 12.5mg 5days/week. > > We noticed improvement daily, weekly, monthly & Today he is a different child. > Wait, no, not a different child but a healthier happier calmer child that we can see more clearly, without all the other stuff. Ahhh. > His focus is clearer, he's happier and overall sillier, which is so refreshing. > We're so glad we finally figured out some of his stuff, knowing it certainly could have gone on many more years without discovering something so relevant. > > Steph, it's interesting to read your comment about hypothyroid children being classically hyper and thin. > I would love more info on that if you come across your reference. > > Anyway, just wanted to share some of our little story in case it might help anyone else dealing with similar stuff. > > Sally > > I'm > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 Let me tap the wealth of knowledge here. My grandson is 9 yrs old. Very tall and thin. When he was born, my wife and I thought something was wrong with his nervous system, as he seemed underdeveloped. He slept more than normal and seemed to take in the world predominately through touch. I remember him sitting on my lap to watch and later play computer games, and he just could not sit still. He constantly shifted from one side to the other. And if he started into a crying fit, he seemed to not be able to get out; he could throw a tantrum for 30 minutes easily. He is extremely impulsive and if we hand something to his older brother, his hands just automatically go for it. He seems to constantly be on someone's lap and needs lots of touch, almost the opposite of Autistic withdrawal. He loves animals, but has difficulty handling them gently. At about 7 yrs. he developed a nervous tic where he would jut his chin forward and twist his head to one side or the other. He also did some sort of twisting motion with his fingers that would eventually give him muscle cramps. The strange thing is that it has gone away two summers in a row and come back around October. He is outdoors a lot in the summer, and goes in the pool almost everyday. I convinced my daughter to give him D3 and magnesium last November, thinking that maybe lack of sunshine in the winter was involved, and it seemed to help some, but she was not diligent about it. He does poorly in school, and is starting to develop a self image that he is dumb. I can see how frustrating it is for him to read and write. Both my daughters and their husbands, and my other three grandchildren (one other from this daughter) all did or do extremely well in school, so the 9 yr old is the odd one in the group. What do you think? > > I'm having a hard time understanding how a seven year old, who is thin and very hyperactive, can be hypothyroid. > > My son does get tired easy with physical activity (which seems counter to what I just said, but it is true). > > He is very restricted in his diet due to digestive issues (which are much better but still an issue). He is also very, very picky about what he eats and will only eat a select amount of foods. I push protein, but he won't eat much - the only meat he will eat is a beef burger about once a week or once every two weeks, turkey burgers once or twice a week, or nitrate free, organic bacon. > > Could that have anything to do with the thyroid? > > Anyone have any experience with adhd and hypothyroid? > > Thanks! > > Viola > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 This is going to take us off-topic fairly fast. The on-topic part of the answer is that there is a really good chance that he has some iodine issues -- being super thin, trouble concentrating. As everybody keeps saying, almost all of us are iodine deficient.But ALL of our children are under a constant assault of toxic input & degraded food, & MANY of them have neurological issues like what you are describing, & there is no quick, easy fix for some of the stuff you are talking about. Iodine alone won't fix the stuff you are talking about, even if it helps with some of his issues.He definitely sounds to me like he is on the ADD/autistic spectrum, which is to say, his sensory processing & neurological development are not proceeding typically. Some of those things in isolation would be of concern, but several of them together form a pattern that is of MORE concern. I can't even agree with you that he is experiencing the opposite of autistic withdrawal, because my own son was very cuddly with people he knew well -- even after he regressed into full-blown Asperger's (for a while. The second regression ended the cuddly stuff.) And the tics & finger twisting are often seen in autistic spectrum disorders. I would NOT recommend rushing him straight to a neurologist, simply because I think they are idiots. I would try to get your daughter to have him evaluated by a DAN! doctor.There are things you can do -- a LOT of them. But it would take commitment on the part of the parents. And a lot of parents don't believe anything will help (or are in denial), so they don't do the work involved. As a grandparent, you can't do it. As you already said, your daughter wasn't diligent about the supplements you recommended. I would be happy to write you off-list to talk about diet, nutrition, neurodevelopmental movement therapy, sensory processing therapy, & more. But your daughter will have to go through some scary ideas before she takes this seriously. Do you think she is up to it? Is she ready to admit that there is a problem? Is she ready to work her butt off?AnneOn Sep 10, 2010, at 11:23 PM, nlog10 wrote: Let me tap the wealth of knowledge here. My grandson is 9 yrs old. Very tall and thin. When he was born, my wife and I thought something was wrong with his nervous system, as he seemed underdeveloped. He slept more than normal and seemed to take in the world predominately through touch. I remember him sitting on my lap to watch and later play computer games, and he just could not sit still. He constantly shifted from one side to the other. And if he started into a crying fit, he seemed to not be able to get out; he could throw a tantrum for 30 minutes easily. He is extremely impulsive and if we hand something to his older brother, his hands just automatically go for it. He seems to constantly be on someone's lap and needs lots of touch, almost the opposite of Autistic withdrawal. He loves animals, but has difficulty handling them gently. At about 7 yrs. he developed a nervous tic where he would jut his chin forward and twist his head to one side or the other. He also did some sort of twisting motion with his fingers that would eventually give him muscle cramps. The strange thing is that it has gone away two summers in a row and come back around October. He is outdoors a lot in the summer, and goes in the pool almost everyday. I convinced my daughter to give him D3 and magnesium last November, thinking that maybe lack of sunshine in the winter was involved, and it seemed to help some, but she was not diligent about it. He does poorly in school, and is starting to develop a self image that he is dumb. I can see how frustrating it is for him to read and write. Both my daughters and their husbands, and my other three grandchildren (one other from this daughter) all did or do extremely well in school, so the 9 yr old is the odd one in the group. What do you think? > > I'm having a hard time understanding how a seven year old, who is thin and very hyperactive, can be hypothyroid. > > My son does get tired easy with physical activity (which seems counter to what I just said, but it is true). > > He is very restricted in his diet due to digestive issues (which are much better but still an issue). He is also very, very picky about what he eats and will only eat a select amount of foods. I push protein, but he won't eat much - the only meat he will eat is a beef burger about once a week or once every two weeks, turkey burgers once or twice a week, or nitrate free, organic bacon. > > Could that have anything to do with the thyroid? > > Anyone have any experience with adhd and hypothyroid? > > Thanks! > > Viola > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 I like to comment on the thin and hypo. I was diagnosed with autoimmune issues and hypo after going from 119 Lbs. to 99 Lbs although I did not change my diet or the calories. I was told that hypo not always means overweight or put on weight. From: Sally <mama22monkeys@...>Subject: Re: hypothyroid and adhd....iodine Received: Friday, September 10, 2010, 9:15 PM Yeah, I guess you could say we've been through it. It's been a long haul, i will say that, but definitely worth pushing through to the other side. We had to stick with it. You know, it's kind of an ebb and flow, over the years, things are ok, tolerable, then they get off kilter or go bonkers and what to do?? You Have to keep searching and trying things. It's the only way to sanity - well, and to health. I agree, totally like an onion. Lots of layers but at least we've uncovered a huge chunk of it, and it goes on from there.It's so nice to see our kids really take an active part in their health, choosing the things they eat based on how they know it benefits them and knowing far beyond their little ages.It's a crazy world.Fascinating about the thin-hyper Hypo children.I agree, it's a never-ending, ever-winding, ongoing puzzle, but we do the best we can with the info we have, and keep digging for the rest til we find it. Dig on!-Sally>> Wow Sally you have been through it too. That's wonderful that you stuck with it. Many people I know try one thing and declare it not to work after a few weeks. It can take years to heal. There are so many things - one doctor says it's like peeling an onion. > > I think the reference to thin / hyper children was in an Australian or European document on hypothyroidism in children. I think I pulled it down and saved it somewhere but can't remember at the moment. I know there was some info on hypo T in children in Dr. Mark Starr's book Hypothyroidism Type 2 but can't remember if it discussed this in particular. It was good information though. Most of the children hypo info is about children born with congenital hypo T which is different than what my children have. It's all a big puzzle and just when you think you figure it out....... you didn't. > > Steph> > > Re: hypothyroid and adhd....> > > > > > I can relate to this. Totally.> Our son just turned 8 and has history of hyperactive, constantly moving, and yet exhausted.> Always exhausted. He's very thin as well. > There was always something-something underlying that we just could not put our finger on, and it's been years of trying to figure it out.> Over the years we worked with so many things. > He was tested for gluten with negative results. We still kept him off of it since it seemed to help him.> Same with dairy. His diet was good. He was eating a really good whole foods diet with no additives, lots of veggies,nuts, seeds, low carbs, etc.> > Last winter everything came crashing down with more exhaustion and more hyper. It was exhausting just to watch him. Of course his mood went along with it. Everything was so up and down and we had a hard time figuring it out.> > Then he started getting headaches and visual problems that were very unusual. Along with nausea and other digestive issues.> We realized he was having migraines and started again trying to eliminate foods and make some sense of the symptoms, as they were quite severe.> It didn't seem to make sense but he was reacting almost every time he ate, like he was in a over reactive mode.> It was very difficult. We tested him for some food allergies that coincided with his symptoms and everything came back negative/> Luckily we had thrown in a few environmental allergens on the testing, as the only thing that came back positive was mold. > Alternaria Alternata. An outdoor mold that is also food-borne.> Things finally started to make sense. > He wasn't reacting to the food itself, but the mold IN the food. > It makes sense now, that he would react after eating something dried or something aged, anything fermented would send him into hyper mode.> I cannot imagine what it felt like to have so many ups and downs in a tiny little body like that. Thinking back, it's no wonder it was so difficult to figure out. So many variables. > > So, the main things we did at the time were of course to eliminate all things with high mold or the hint of mold.> Ugh, that was a feat. No nuts, (boo) no dried fruit, (sigh) no yeast, no fermented anythings, and the list goes on.> And to get him on magnesium, vitamin C, vitamin D and a good probiotic.> These were the things that got him through. He had to have magnesium or he would get the migraines again. The vitamin C was a huge help as a natural anti histamine> Vitamin D is connected to all sorts of things but really helped him with the hyper stuff and i'm sure it must have helped with gut stuff as well.> I've read ADHD being connected to Vitamin D deficiency as well, so it makes sense to make sure D level is up. > (was it Anne who mentioned ADD/Autistic Spectrum/OCD? I've read connection with D deficiency with those, as well.)> The probiotic has helped immensely. We added iodine later and now continue with 12.5mg 5days/week.> > We noticed improvement daily, weekly, monthly & Today he is a different child. > Wait, no, not a different child but a healthier happier calmer child that we can see more clearly, without all the other stuff. Ahhh.> His focus is clearer, he's happier and overall sillier, which is so refreshing.> We're so glad we finally figured out some of his stuff, knowing it certainly could have gone on many more years without discovering something so relevant.> > Steph, it's interesting to read your comment about hypothyroid children being classically hyper and thin.> I would love more info on that if you come across your reference.> > Anyway, just wanted to share some of our little story in case it might help anyone else dealing with similar stuff.> > Sally> > I'm> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 Take a look at this list. http://www.lymeinducedautism.com/images/mastersymptomlist.pdf Joan > > > > I'm having a hard time understanding how a seven year old, who is thin and very hyperactive, can be hypothyroid. > > > > My son does get tired easy with physical activity (which seems counter to what I just said, but it is true). > > > > He is very restricted in his diet due to digestive issues (which are much better but still an issue). He is also very, very picky about what he eats and will only eat a select amount of foods. I push protein, but he won't eat much - the only meat he will eat is a beef burger about once a week or once every two weeks, turkey burgers once or twice a week, or nitrate free, organic bacon. > > > > Could that have anything to do with the thyroid? > > > > Anyone have any experience with adhd and hypothyroid? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Viola > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 I would look into the book, " Live Right 4 Your Type " by Dr. J. D'Amato. Its about eating and taking the right substances for your blood type. He discusses mental issues & ADHD in a few sections of the book and recommends some supplements for this, its in the Index. I've read of MANY success stories coming from people using the book's suggestions from reviews at Amazon.com. The book is a little too technical for me with too many medical words in the beginning chapters which I don't think helps laypeople's understanding, but this is his 2nd book after " Eat Right 4 Your Type " and he made it more detailed because that's what his readers wanted. He gives specific suggestions for each blood type (O,A,B,AB). Basically each blood type is set up to do best with particular foods/substances and also types of exercise and reject substances that don't fit it. This is why 100% Vegetarianism doesn't work for many. He has a website at http://www.dadamo.com/ Another book with nutrition recommendations for depression and ADHD is " The Way Up " . You can buy or download the book free at her website - http://www.thewayup.com. I don't think nutrition is really going to solve the issue(s), but covering the bases nutritionally could prevent the body from having a " flat tire " mentally, and disabling the vehicle. Good luck, > > I can relate to this. Totally. > > Our son just turned 8 and has history of hyperactive, constantly moving, and yet exhausted. > > Always exhausted. He's very thin as well. > > There was always something-something underlying that we just could not put our finger on, and it's been years of trying to figure it out. > > Over the years we worked with so many things. > > He was tested for gluten with negative results. We still kept him off of it since it seemed to help him. > > Same with dairy. His diet was good. He was eating a really good whole foods diet with no additives, lots of veggies,nuts, seeds, low carbs, etc. > > > > Last winter everything came crashing down with more exhaustion and more hyper. It was exhausting just to watch him. Of course his mood went along with it. Everything was so up and down and we had a hard time figuring it out. > > > > Then he started getting headaches and visual problems that were very unusual. Along with nausea and other digestive issues. > > We realized he was having migraines and started again trying to eliminate foods and make some sense of the symptoms, as they were quite severe. > > It didn't seem to make sense but he was reacting almost every time he ate, like he was in a over reactive mode. > > It was very difficult. We tested him for some food allergies that coincided with his symptoms and everything came back negative/ > > Luckily we had thrown in a few environmental allergens on the testing, as the only thing that came back positive was mold. > > Alternaria Alternata. An outdoor mold that is also food-borne. > > Things finally started to make sense. > > He wasn't reacting to the food itself, but the mold IN the food. > > It makes sense now, that he would react after eating something dried or something aged, anything fermented would send him into hyper mode. > > I cannot imagine what it felt like to have so many ups and downs in a tiny little body like that. Thinking back, it's no wonder it was so difficult to figure out. So many variables. > > > > So, the main things we did at the time were of course to eliminate all things with high mold or the hint of mold. > > Ugh, that was a feat. No nuts, (boo) no dried fruit, (sigh) no yeast, no fermented anythings, and the list goes on. > > And to get him on magnesium, vitamin C, vitamin D and a good probiotic. > > These were the things that got him through. He had to have magnesium or he would get the migraines again. The vitamin C was a huge help as a natural anti histamine > > Vitamin D is connected to all sorts of things but really helped him with the hyper stuff and i'm sure it must have helped with gut stuff as well. > > I've read ADHD being connected to Vitamin D deficiency as well, so it makes sense to make sure D level is up. > > (was it Anne who mentioned ADD/Autistic Spectrum/OCD? I've read connection with D deficiency with those, as well.) > > The probiotic has helped immensely. We added iodine later and now continue with 12.5mg 5days/week. > > > > We noticed improvement daily, weekly, monthly & Today he is a different child. > > Wait, no, not a different child but a healthier happier calmer child that we can see more clearly, without all the other stuff. Ahhh. > > His focus is clearer, he's happier and overall sillier, which is so refreshing. > > We're so glad we finally figured out some of his stuff, knowing it certainly could have gone on many more years without discovering something so relevant. > > > > Steph, it's interesting to read your comment about hypothyroid children being classically hyper and thin. > > I would love more info on that if you come across your reference. > > > > Anyway, just wanted to share some of our little story in case it might help anyone else dealing with similar stuff. > > > > Sally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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