Re: Iodine and Krohns disease

[Guest guest]

she must look for the scd diet and low dose naltrexone for the crohn.it will help also hashimoto though then you do not need such a strict diet

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:19 AM, infotech003 <infotech003@...> wrote:

 

Hi there,I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some feedback on. My daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently broke her arm badly and was put on heavy antibiotics. That didn't work so they put her on IV antibiotics. She's had two surgeries so far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps pretty badly very often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became unbearable. Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is testing her for Crohn's disease. All her life she's had a low basal temperature. She's never had her thyroid tested but will soon. Since Crohn's disease is an auto immune disease my gut feeling is she will also test positive for thyroid antibodies (I have Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going on iodine would be beneficial for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics doesn't help that much since the antibiotics will kill it. Can she take anything else for the bloat, such as Nystatin? Anyone got some good suggestions here? She's pretty scared right now and so am I

[Guest guest]

I had a course of Floxin once that damn near killed me. I cramped & bled & wept on the toilet every day for YEARS, in spite of probiotics, enzymes, chlorella, & everything else I could think of to mend it. (I wasn't aware of the iodine protocol, & would now assume that that is an important factor.) Labor is painful, but it is over in a day. Having your bowels trashed by strong antibiotics can be agonizing for a lot longer. Antibiotics can do terrible things to your bowels, & set you up for all sorts of auto-immune problems, since 80% of your immune system is in your bowel.My personal belief (with which many disagree) is that diseases like Crohn's are often caused by antibiotics & other assaults on the bowel. (Although her symptoms could easily be explained just by the antibiotics destroying every healthy organism in her gut! The gut is supposed to be full of living organisms!) I hate to see them putting her through any more misery, when the thing she needs the most is to get off the antibiotics. How much longer do you think she needs to be on them?I get so frustrated, because there are better options. HBOT (Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy) is good for infections that don't respond well to antibiotics -- especially bone infections. But they won't give it to a person till they are half dead from the antibiotics. Their rationale is that it is expensive, so they only use it for the most dire cases. But the chambers are often sitting empty somewhere while a person like your daughter is busy BECOMING a dire case. (And by the way, HBOT Is good for the gut, too.)If you can get her off the antibiotics, as well as iodine, I would have her on MASSIVE doses of probiotics, digestive enzymes, & chlorella. A lot of people think that a couple of probiotic capsules will do the job, but one alternative writer wrote that for things like dysentery, you should go through a whole bottle of probiotics every day or two. I would also get different kinds, & rotate them... As for anti-fungals like Nystatin, she may need them later, since the yeast always seems to rebound before any of the healthy organisms. (I would start the probiotics a bit BEFORE they end the antibiotics, & try to keep her on herbal anti-Candida remedies to head off the Candida.) But Nystatin is no cure for cell death, & all the stuff she needs in her gut is dead.Man, it is making my gut hurt just thinking about it. Good luck to her.AnneOn Jul 20, 2010, at 9:19 PM, infotech003 wrote: Hi there, I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some feedback on. My daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently broke her arm badly and was put on heavy antibiotics. That didn't work so they put her on IV antibiotics. She's had two surgeries so far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps pretty badly very often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became unbearable. Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is testing her for Crohn's disease. All her life she's had a low basal temperature. She's never had her thyroid tested but will soon. Since Crohn's disease is an auto immune disease my gut feeling is she will also test positive for thyroid antibodies (I have Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going on iodine would be beneficial for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics doesn't help that much since the antibiotics will kill it. Can she take anything else for the bloat, such as Nystatin? Anyone got some good suggestions here? She's pretty scared right now and so am I

[Guest guest]

Why do they still have her on the antibiotics, can I ask? As Anne says, they

can do terrible things to the bowel and there are natural alternatives.

The symptoms you describe can be caused by systemic yeast and leaky gut and my

experience of this is that it was healed with the right diet. I was muscle

tested by a holistic nutritionist who also tested for the candida. Gradually as

I got better I could eat more things, but it did exclude the standards until I'd

healed the gut: yeast, alcohol, caffeine, white flour and rice, malt, red meat

and, above all, everything with sugar in it. For me that included fruit for

eight months, but that was what my body said. Some people can eat a little

fruit. Low carb, of course, and rotate any grains eaten because they are

allergenic. The bloating may well come in part from food intolerances caused by

the leaky gut. For some people slippery elm is good to heal this; others take

l'glutamine. Iodine also helped me, though I had to start low:

http://curezone.com/faq/q.asp?a=13,281,2962 & q=588

I prefer the natural antifungals. Coconut oil is great because of its caprylic

acid. I took something called Candiclear which has caprylic acid and pau

d'arco. But that wasn't until a fair amount of the candida had been killed

through the diet. The process of the dead candida coming out can make you feel

much worse for a while, but it's necessary. I think systemic yeast is sometimes

not taken as seriously as it should be - it causes havoc in the body.

Good luck - I hope your daughter recovers soon.

>

> > Hi there,

> > I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some

> > feedback on. My daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently

> > broke her arm badly and was put on heavy antibiotics. That didn't

> > work so they put her on IV antibiotics. She's had two surgeries so

> > far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps pretty badly very

> > often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became unbearable.

> > Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is

> > testing her for Crohn's disease. All her life she's had a low basal

> > temperature. She's never had her thyroid tested but will soon.

> > Since Crohn's disease is an auto immune disease my gut feeling is

> > she will also test positive for thyroid antibodies (I have

> > Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going on iodine would be

> > beneficial for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics doesn't

> > help that much since the antibiotics will kill it. Can she take

> > anything else for the bloat, such as Nystatin? Anyone got some good

> > suggestions here? She's pretty scared right now and so am I

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'd get probiotics into her at the first earliest opportunity, like ASAP. There's a terrific product by BIORAY called Cytoflora which is expensive but seems to really do its job. I'm on severaL autism lists and this seems to be having wonderful effects on the children and appears to be well tolerated. Maybe it's because of the medium as it is a suspension and not the usual caps. I'd also cut out anything ie sugars which will feed the yeast...From: infotech003 <infotech003@...>iodine Sent: Wednesday, 21 July, 2010 5:19:59Subject: Iodine and Krohns disease

Hi there,

I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some feedback on. My daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently broke her arm badly and was put on heavy antibiotics. That didn't work so they put her on IV antibiotics. She's had two surgeries so far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps pretty badly very often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became unbearable. Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is testing her for Crohn's disease. All her life she's had a low basal temperature. She's never had her thyroid tested but will soon. Since Crohn's disease is an auto immune disease my gut feeling is she will also test positive for thyroid antibodies (I have Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going on iodine would be beneficial for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics doesn't help that much since the antibiotics will kill it. Can she take anything else for the bloat, such as Nystatin? Anyone

got some good suggestions here? She's pretty scared right now and so am I

[Guest guest]

I have watched someone dear to me suffer for years from Chron's. Please

consider while Chron's may be commonly linked to an autoimmunity disorder; the

typically present Mycobacterium avium paratuberculosis ,(MAP bacteria), may

simply be successfully surviving in the host.

The MAP survives and thrives while the patient suffers. The presents of a

natural predator, the porcine whipworm, (Trichuris suis), may provide innocuous

immunity to more than thirty percent of the world's population. If you look at

the negative potential to the typically symbiotic whipworm population you will

see that only a few people die each year from an overgrowth of the whipworm

caused by other critical health issues. So if one gains the whipworm, they will

loose the MAP.

Some physicians have successfully treated patients with a reproductively sterile

whipworm successfully. Since they use reproductively sterile whipworms

treatment is required every ninety days which is the lifespan of the whipworm.

If the Chron's patients where lucky enough to receive the natural whipworm they

would need only one treatment.

Since no one wants to take or have " worms " ; (even if the WHO says that as much

as 30% of the world's population has them and doesn't even know it), what other

solution is there?

MAP bacteria consumes iron, Fe, as an essential nutrient. MAP uses a crude

process to derive iron from the contents of the bowel. Gallium Nitrate is

related to Fe on the periodic table. Gallium Nitrate may also be inadvertently

collected by the MAP while providing no sustenance to it. Humans have

sophisticated mechanisms to isolate Fe which do not mistake Gallium Nitrate for

iron. The presents of a very small amount of Gallium Nitrate may simply kill

the MAP bacteria. Eby has written up his theory regarding this method of

eliminating MAP bacteria by the use of Gallium Nitrate and I have personally

communicated with the person that participated in a trial. I have not spoken to

her in about six months, but she was very excited about her personal success.

While I was also excited to hear her story; I also encouraged her to continue to

strive toward health on an ongoing basis. There is nothing preventing the

re-infestation of MAP after the body has used and moved the Gallium Nitrate

elsewhere.

Please consider RAW milk as a good source probiotics to balance the bacteria in

the bowel or work on a pig farm for a summer. Recently I heard that Jordan

Rubin initially treated himself with raw goat's milk. I'll check his book. If

anyone wants to discuss these ideas please contact me off the Iodine list at

peter.cole.2008@....

>

> Hi there,

> I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some feedback on. My

daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently broke her arm badly and was put

on heavy antibiotics. That didn't work so they put her on IV antibiotics.

She's had two surgeries so far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps

pretty badly very often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became

unbearable. Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is

testing her for Crohn's disease. All her life she's had a low basal

temperature. She's never had her thyroid tested but will soon. Since Crohn's

disease is an auto immune disease my gut feeling is she will also test positive

for thyroid antibodies (I have Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going

on iodine would be beneficial for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics

doesn't help that much since the antibiotics will kill it. Can she take

anything else for the bloat, such as Nystatin? Anyone got some good suggestions

here? She's pretty scared right now and so am I

>

[Guest guest]

Hi - what good antibiotic alternatives could you suggest please?

I also suffer from stomach issues

Thanks

From: "mary.johnson3@..." <mary.johnson3@...>iodine Sent: Wed, 21 July, 2010 8:38:23Subject: Re: Iodine and Krohns disease

Why do they still have her on the antibiotics, can I ask? As Anne says, they can do terrible things to the bowel and there are natural alternatives. The symptoms you describe can be caused by systemic yeast and leaky gut and my experience of this is that it was healed with the right diet. I was muscle tested by a holistic nutritionist who also tested for the candida. Gradually as I got better I could eat more things, but it did exclude the standards until I'd healed the gut: yeast, alcohol, caffeine, white flour and rice, malt, red meat and, above all, everything with sugar in it. For me that included fruit for eight months, but that was what my body said. Some people can eat a little fruit. Low carb, of course, and rotate any grains eaten because they are allergenic. The bloating may well come in part from food intolerances caused by the leaky gut. For some people slippery elm is good to heal this; others take l'glutamine. Iodine also helped

me, though I had to start low: http://curezone.com/faq/q.asp?a=13,281,2962 & q=588I prefer the natural antifungals. Coconut oil is great because of its caprylic acid. I took something called Candiclear which has caprylic acid and pau d'arco. But that wasn't until a fair amount of the candida had been killed through the diet. The process of the dead candida coming out can make you feel much worse for a while, but it's necessary. I think systemic yeast is sometimes not taken as seriously as it should be - it causes havoc in the body.Good luck - I hope your daughter recovers soon.> > > Hi

there,> > I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some > > feedback on. My daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently > > broke her arm badly and was put on heavy antibiotics. That didn't > > work so they put her on IV antibiotics. She's had two surgeries so > > far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps pretty badly very > > often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became unbearable. > > Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is > > testing her for Crohn's disease. All her life she's had a low basal > > temperature. She's never had her thyroid tested but will soon. > > Since Crohn's disease is an auto immune disease my gut feeling is > > she will also test positive for thyroid antibodies (I have > > Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going on iodine would be > >

beneficial for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics doesn't > > help that much since the antibiotics will kill it. Can she take > > anything else for the bloat, such as Nystatin? Anyone got some good > > suggestions here? She's pretty scared right now and so am I > >> >>

[Guest guest]

It depends on how strong you are and whether it's fungus or bacteria you want to

tackle. A strong all rounder is Dida which comes originally from Norway but I

think is available in the US and which contains several of the natural antis

like olive leaf and oil of oregano. If you aren't yet so strong you could try

one of those two on its own. Garlic is a good basic antibiotic - the

freeze-dried one from BioPure is especially potent.

People who take a lot of iodine I read stand a good chance of clearing most

things, but others could say more about that.

The near and far infrared saunas are great for killing microbes.

I hope this is of some use. Maybe others can say more.

> >

> > > Hi there,

> > > I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some

> > > feedback on. My daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently

> > > broke her arm badly and was put on heavy antibiotics. That didn't

> > > work so they put her on IV antibiotics. She's had two surgeries so

> > > far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps pretty badly very

> > > often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became unbearable.

> > > Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is

> > > testing her for Crohn's disease. All her life she's had a low basal

> > > temperature. She's never had her thyroid tested but will soon.

> > > Since Crohn's disease is an auto immune disease my gut feeling is

> > > she will also test positive for thyroid antibodies (I have

> > > Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going on iodine would be

> > > beneficial for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics doesn't

> > > help that much since the antibiotics will kill it. Can she take

> > > anything else for the bloat, such as Nystatin? Anyone got some good

> > > suggestions here? She's pretty scared right now and so am I

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It would help to find out what specific antibiotics she was on,

and what the listed side effects are. Keep giving her probiotics heavily, as it

will still help her even if the antibiotics are killing it off. You will

eventually be ahead in the count. She might have candida problems, and if you

can get Nystatin, it would help immediately, then follow up with good natural

candida attack for a longer period of time.

Donna in IL

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of infotech003

Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:20 PM

iodine

Subject: Iodine and Krohns disease

Hi there,

I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some feedback on. My

daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently broke her arm badly and was put

on heavy antibiotics. That didn't work so they put her on IV antibiotics. She's

had two surgeries so far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps pretty

badly very often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became unbearable.

Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is testing her for

Crohn's disease. All her life she's had a low basal temperature. She's never

had her thyroid tested but will soon. Since Crohn's disease is an auto immune

disease my gut feeling is she will also test positive for thyroid antibodies (I

have Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going on iodine would be

beneficial for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics doesn't help that much

since the antibiotics will kill it. Can she take anything else for the bloat,

such as Nystatin? Anyone got some good suggestions here? She's pretty scared

right now and so am I

[Guest guest]

, I tried to go on the BioRay website today and order some

Cytoflora but the site consistently came up as unsecure on Firefox.

Do you know anything about this? Do you order online from them?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Antibiotics kill Candida, too, as I understand it, so Nystatin at the same time should be unnecessary. The problem is that pathogenic organisms seem to be able to go into sort of a protective cyst when antibiotics are present, & quickly become active again once the antibiotics stop. I think this is why Candida resurges so quickly after the antibiotics are done. The healthful probiotic organisms do not do this, which is why you need to be supplementing with them before the antibiotics are even finished -- so there will be some there as soon as they can survive.Also, Nystatin has the potential for serious side effects (which you can Google), which is of particular concern in somebody who is already very sick. The herbal products are gentler.AnneOn Jul 21, 2010, at 8:41 AM, Donna Iler wrote: It would help to find out what specific antibiotics she was on, and what the listed side effects are. Keep giving her probiotics heavily, as it will still help her even if the antibiotics are killing it off. You will eventually be ahead in the count. She might have candida problems, and if you can get Nystatin, it would help immediately, then follow up with good natural candida attack for a longer period of time. Donna in IL From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of infotech003 Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:20 PM iodine Subject: Iodine and Krohns disease Hi there, I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some feedback on. My daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently broke her arm badly and was put on heavy antibiotics. That didn't work so they put her on IV antibiotics. She's had two surgeries so far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps pretty badly very often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became unbearable. Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is testing her for Crohn's disease. All her life she's had a low basal temperature. She's never had her thyroid tested but will soon. Since Crohn's disease is an auto immune disease my gut feeling is she will also test positive for thyroid antibodies (I have Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going on iodine would be beneficial for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics doesn't help that much since the antibiotics will kill it. Can she take anything else for the bloat, such as Nystatin? Anyone got some good suggestions here? She's pretty scared right now and so am I

[Guest guest]

antibiotics is the cause of candida.antibiotics kills bacteria and candida is fungus.after the antibiotics you have a big chance to develp candida with all the related diseases and even cancer.

 

The Fungus Link

The Fungus Link: An Introduction to Fungal Disease Including the Initial Phase Diet

_________________

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote:

 

Antibiotics kill Candida, too, as I understand it, so Nystatin at the same time should be unnecessary. The problem is that pathogenic organisms seem to be able to go into sort of a protective cyst when antibiotics are present, & quickly become active again once the antibiotics stop. I think this is why Candida resurges so quickly after the antibiotics are done. The healthful probiotic organisms do not do this, which is why you need to be supplementing with them before the antibiotics are even finished -- so there will be some there as soon as they can survive.

Also, Nystatin has the potential for serious side effects (which you can Google), which is of particular concern in somebody who is already very sick. The herbal products are gentler.

Anne

On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:41 AM, Donna Iler wrote:

 

It would help to find out what specific antibiotics she was on, and what the listed side effects are. Keep giving her probiotics heavily, as it will still help her even if the antibiotics are killing it off. You will eventually be ahead in the count. She might have candida problems, and if you can get Nystatin, it would help immediately, then follow up with good natural candida attack for a longer period of time.

 

Donna in IL

 

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of infotech003

Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:20 PMiodine Subject: Iodine and Krohns disease

 

 

Hi there,I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some feedback on. My daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently broke her arm badly and was put on heavy antibiotics. That didn't work so they put her on IV antibiotics. She's had two surgeries so far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps pretty badly very often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became unbearable. Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is testing her for Crohn's disease. All her life she's had a low basal temperature. She's never had her thyroid tested but will soon. Since Crohn's disease is an auto immune disease my gut feeling is she will also test positive for thyroid antibodies (I have Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going on iodine would be beneficial for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics doesn't help that much since the antibiotics will kill it. Can she take anything else for the bloat, such as Nystatin? Anyone got some good suggestions here? She's pretty scared right now and so am I

[Guest guest]

Actually the opposite is true. Antibiotics PRODUCE Candida, as they

kill off all bacteria, good and bad, and when the good bacteria is gone, the

yeast overgrows. We have dealt with major candida problems, and it really helps

to have the boost from Nystatin to get the yeast killed off fast. Just

eliminating it through diet takes years.

Donna in IL

From: iodine

[mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Anne Seals

Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:07 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Iodine and Krohns disease

Antibiotics kill Candida, too, as I understand it, so

Nystatin at the same time should be unnecessary. The problem is that pathogenic

organisms seem to be able to go into sort of a protective cyst when antibiotics

are present, & quickly become active again once the antibiotics stop. I

think this is why Candida resurges so quickly after the antibiotics are done.

The healthful probiotic organisms do not do this, which is why you need to be

supplementing with them before the antibiotics are even finished -- so there

will be some there as soon as they can survive.

Also, Nystatin has the potential for serious side effects

(which you can Google), which is of particular concern in somebody who is

already very sick. The herbal products are gentler.

Anne

On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:41 AM, Donna Iler wrote:

It would help to find out what specific

antibiotics she was on, and what the listed side effects are. Keep giving her

probiotics heavily, as it will still help her even if the antibiotics are

killing it off. You will eventually be ahead in the count. She might have

candida problems, and if you can get Nystatin, it would help immediately, then

follow up with good natural candida attack for a longer period of time.

Donna in IL

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ]

On Behalf Of infotech003

Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:20 PM

iodine

Subject: Iodine and Krohns disease

Hi there,

I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some feedback on. My

daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently broke her arm badly and was put

on heavy antibiotics. That didn't work so they put her on IV antibiotics. She's

had two surgeries so far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps pretty

badly very often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became unbearable.

Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is testing her for

Crohn's disease. All her life she's had a low basal temperature. She's never

had her thyroid tested but will soon. Since Crohn's disease is an auto immune

disease my gut feeling is she will also test positive for thyroid antibodies (I

have Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going on iodine would be

beneficial for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics doesn't help that much

since the antibiotics will kill it. Can she take anything else for the bloat,

such as Nystatin? Anyone got some good suggestions here? She's pretty scared

right now and so am I

[Guest guest]

I agree with you perfectly that antibiotic use definitely causes Candida resurgence, but I believe that it is because the Candida organisms can "hide" from the antibiotics & then become active again as soon as the antibiotics are withdrawn. The probiotic organisms can't do this -- they just plain die. And I agree with you that the lack of healthy bacteria allows the Candida to run amok. So as soon as the antibiotics are gone, the candida organisms are the first on the ground, bursting out of the protective capsules they have formed & taking over. But that happens AFTER the antibiotic course is over.You get bloating & gut issues that LOOK like Candida while you are taking antibiotics, but I believe that that is because of all the dead, putrifying organisms in the gut. Dead matter releases toxins & gases as it rots. People have this concept of antibiotics making everything clean, but what it makes is a lot of dead, rotting matter in the bowel -- which makes the Candida very happy as it comes out of "hibernation." Candida thrives in a sick gut. So once the gut is full of putrifying dead matter, the Candida thrives much better than the probiotics do in the sick environment. (Just as in a garden, the weeds always fare better in harsh conditions than do the plants you are trying to tend.)My reading would suggest that you might not be getting the most bang for your buck if you are using Nystatin while the Candida is "hiding" from the antibiotics & is less vulnerable. (Just as the probiotics you take while antibiotics are on board are going to die. But you start taking them toward the end of treatment to give them a chance to proliferate as soon as it is possible.) By the way, I have read that some other pathogenic organisms can "hide" this way, contributing to repeated infections of organisms that become harder & harder to kill. I think C. Difficile is one. This is one of the ways that such organisms become anti-biotic resistant, along with the genetic shift as we select for organisms that can survive antibiotics.I agree with you that dealing with Candida through diet is not very helpful. And I agree with you that taking something that actually fights the yeast is preferable. But for some of us who are very chemically sensitive & /or very sick, Nystatin might not be the best approach. My experience of medical treatment has always been that for every treatment I receive, I trigger a new round of side effects to be dealt with. If you tolerate Nystatin well, that could well be the best way to go for you. I don't seem to do well with any drug, so that is not where I would start.AnneOn Jul 21, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Donna Iler wrote: Actually the opposite is true. Antibiotics PRODUCE Candida, as they kill off all bacteria, good and bad, and when the good bacteria is gone, the yeast overgrows. We have dealt with major candida problems, and it really helps to have the boost from Nystatin to get the yeast killed off fast. Just eliminating it through diet takes years. Donna in IL From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Anne Seals Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:07 PM iodine Subject: Re: Iodine and Krohns disease Antibiotics kill Candida, too, as I understand it, so Nystatin at the same time should be unnecessary. The problem is that pathogenic organisms seem to be able to go into sort of a protective cyst when antibiotics are present, & quickly become active again once the antibiotics stop. I think this is why Candida resurges so quickly after the antibiotics are done. The healthful probiotic organisms do not do this, which is why you need to be supplementing with them before the antibiotics are even finished -- so there will be some there as soon as they can survive. Also, Nystatin has the potential for serious side effects (which you can Google), which is of particular concern in somebody who is already very sick. The herbal products are gentler. Anne On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:41 AM, Donna Iler wrote: It would help to find out what specific antibiotics she was on, and what the listed side effects are. Keep giving her probiotics heavily, as it will still help her even if the antibiotics are killing it off. You will eventually be ahead in the count. She might have candida problems, and if you can get Nystatin, it would help immediately, then follow up with good natural candida attack for a longer period of time. Donna in IL From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of infotech003 Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:20 PM iodine Subject: Iodine and Krohns disease Hi there, I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some feedback on. My daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently broke her arm badly and was put on heavy antibiotics. That didn't work so they put her on IV antibiotics. She's had two surgeries so far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps pretty badly very often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became unbearable. Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is testing her for Crohn's disease. All her life she's had a low basal temperature. She's never had her thyroid tested but will soon. Since Crohn's disease is an auto immune disease my gut feeling is she will also test positive for thyroid antibodies (I have Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going on iodine would be beneficial for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics doesn't help that much since the antibiotics will kill it. Can she take anything else for the bloat, such as Nystatin? Anyone got some good suggestions here? She's pretty scared right now and so am I

[Guest guest]

difflucan is much better then nyastin,but you must be able to tolerate it

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote:

 

I agree with you perfectly that antibiotic use definitely causes Candida resurgence, but I believe that it is because the Candida organisms can " hide " from the antibiotics & then become active again as soon as the antibiotics are withdrawn. The probiotic organisms can't do this -- they just plain die. And I agree with you that the lack of healthy bacteria allows the Candida to run amok.  So as soon as the antibiotics are gone, the candida organisms are the first on the ground, bursting out of the protective capsules they have formed & taking over. But that happens AFTER the antibiotic course is over.

You get bloating & gut issues that LOOK like Candida while you are taking antibiotics, but I believe that that is because of all the dead, putrifying organisms in the gut. Dead matter releases toxins & gases as it rots. People have this concept of antibiotics making everything clean, but what it makes is a lot of dead, rotting matter in the bowel -- which makes the Candida very happy as it comes out of " hibernation. " Candida thrives in a sick gut. So once the gut is full of putrifying dead matter, the Candida thrives much better than the probiotics do in the sick environment. (Just as in a garden, the weeds always fare better in harsh conditions than do the plants you are trying to tend.)

My reading would suggest that you might not be getting the most bang for your buck if you are using Nystatin while the Candida is " hiding " from the antibiotics & is less vulnerable. (Just as the probiotics you take while antibiotics are on board are going to die. But you start taking them toward the end of treatment to give them a chance to proliferate as soon as it is possible.) By the way, I have read that some other pathogenic organisms can " hide " this way, contributing to repeated infections of organisms that become harder & harder to kill. I think C. Difficile is one. This is one of the ways that such organisms become anti-biotic resistant, along with the genetic shift as we select for organisms that can survive antibiotics.

I agree with you that dealing with Candida through diet is not very helpful. And I agree with you that taking something that actually fights the yeast is preferable. But for some of us who are very chemically sensitive & /or very sick, Nystatin might not be the best approach. My experience of medical treatment has always been that for every treatment I receive, I trigger a new round of side effects to be dealt with. If you tolerate Nystatin well, that could well be the best way to go for you. I don't seem to do well with any drug, so that is not where I would start.

Anne

On Jul 21, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Donna Iler wrote:

 

Actually the opposite is true.  Antibiotics PRODUCE Candida, as they kill off all bacteria, good and bad, and when the good bacteria is gone, the yeast overgrows. We have dealt with major candida problems, and it really helps to have the boost from Nystatin to get the yeast killed off fast. Just eliminating it through diet takes years.

 

Donna in IL

 

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Anne Seals

Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:07 PMiodine Subject: Re: Iodine and Krohns disease

 

 

Antibiotics kill Candida, too, as I understand it, so Nystatin at the same time should be unnecessary. The problem is that pathogenic organisms seem to be able to go into sort of a protective cyst when antibiotics are present, & quickly become active again once the antibiotics stop. I think this is why Candida resurges so quickly after the antibiotics are done. The healthful probiotic organisms do not do this, which is why you need to be supplementing with them before the antibiotics are even finished -- so there will be some there as soon as they can survive.

 

Also, Nystatin has the potential for serious side effects (which you can Google), which is of particular concern in somebody who is already very sick. The herbal products are gentler.

 

Anne

 

 

On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:41 AM, Donna Iler wrote:

 

 

It would help to find out what specific antibiotics she was on, and what the listed side effects are. Keep giving her probiotics heavily, as it will still help her even if the antibiotics are killing it off. You will eventually be ahead in the count. She might have candida problems, and if you can get Nystatin, it would help immediately, then follow up with good natural candida attack for a longer period of time.

 

Donna in IL

 

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of infotech003

Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:20 PMiodine Subject: Iodine and Krohns disease

 

 

Hi there,I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some feedback on. My daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently broke her arm badly and was put on heavy antibiotics. That didn't work so they put her on IV antibiotics. She's had two surgeries so far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps pretty badly very often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became unbearable. Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is testing her for Crohn's disease. All her life she's had a low basal temperature. She's never had her thyroid tested but will soon. Since Crohn's disease is an auto immune disease my gut feeling is she will also test positive for thyroid antibodies (I have Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going on iodine would be beneficial for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics doesn't help that much since the antibiotics will kill it. Can she take anything else for the bloat, such as Nystatin? Anyone got some good suggestions here? She's pretty scared right now and so am I

 

 

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I ordered from a company in the UK. Keep trying or maybe phone them if you are in the USA. It really is a product worth pursuing, at least trying it out.From: Whelan <catherine_whelan@...>iodine Cc: Whelan <catherine_whelan@...>Sent: Wednesday, 21 July, 2010 17:00:04Subject: Re: Iodine and Krohns disease

, I tried to go on the BioRay website today and order some

Cytoflora but the site consistently came up as unsecure on Firefox.

Do you know anything about this? Do you order online from them?

Thanks

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Hello,

Just a short note. I had been very, very ill from Crohn's Colitis...some combination of Chrohn's and Ulcerative Colitis. In fact these past five years I had about 3-4 near death experiences and one of my hospital visits lasting a month with several blood transfusions, Liquid nutrtion line in my arm, etc. Long story, after my immune system was knocked out by steroids, antibiotics, painkillers, etc, I continued being very ill with various new infections and developments.

The doctors gave up on me and continually told me I wouldn't live long without a complete removal of my colon, being on steroids, etc. Basically, they had written me off and termed me non-compliant since I refused surgery and more medications that were causing me a host of other serious problems.

I went off everything and decided to listen to my inner wisdom and research. What turned my life around without surgery or pharmaceuticals was alternative modalities.

Coconut Oil ( a great brand and lots of it in a day, I can talk to you about that) help stop my profuse hemmoraging and urgent bathroom trips many times a day. BTW, coconut oil is a known anti-fungal and anti-biotic. Also, my body was so toxic from all the chemicals (i.e. antifungals, antibiotics, steroids, painkillers) that it was "clogged up" in many ways and needed to be cleaned out.

Believe me, there is hope beyond hope with diet and some alternative approaches, but patient compliance and consistency is everything.

I am a walking miracle and have come back from death's doorstop and so can anybody with this ailment.

Colonics are very, very beneficial, as well.

If you have questions, you can email me directly.

A

It would help to find out what specific antibiotics she was on, and what the listed side effects are. Keep giving her probiotics heavily, as it will still help her even if the antibiotics are killing it off. You will eventually be ahead in the count. She might have candida problems, and if you can get Nystatin, it would help immediately, then follow up with good natural candida attack for a longer period of time.

Donna in IL

From: iodinegroups (DOT) com [mailto:iodinegroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of infotech003Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:20 PMiodinegroups (DOT) comSubject: Iodine and Krohns disease

Hi there,I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some feedback on. My daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently broke her arm badly and was put on heavy antibiotics. That didn't work so they put her on IV antibiotics. She's had two surgeries so far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps pretty badly very often but after the antibiotics/ surgeries they became unbearable. Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is testing her for Crohn's disease. All her life she's had a low basal temperature. She's never had her thyroid tested but will soon. Since Crohn's disease is an auto immune disease my gut feeling is she will also test positive for thyroid antibodies (I have Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going on iodine would be beneficial for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics doesn't help that much since the antibiotics will kill it. Can she take anything else for the bloat, such as Nystatin?

Anyone got some good suggestions here? She's pretty scared right now and so am I

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" Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat "

this is sdead give away for having low stomach acid/achlohydria! I would suggest

she take some apple cidar vinegar and see if she feels better, less bloating,

then start taking HCL through a naturopath!

> >

> > Hi there,

> > I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some feedback on.

My daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently broke her arm badly and was

put on heavy antibiotics. That didn't work so they put her on IV antibiotics.

She's had two surgeries so far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps

pretty badly very often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became

unbearable. Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is

testing her for Crohn's disease. All her life she's had a low basal

temperature. She's never had her thyroid tested but will soon. Since Crohn's

disease is an auto immune disease my gut feeling is she will also test positive

for thyroid antibodies (I have Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going

on iodine would be beneficial for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics

doesn't help that much since the antibiotics will kill it. Can she take

anything else for the bloat, such as Nystatin? Anyone got some good suggestions

here? She's pretty scared right now and so am I

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I highly recommend garlic and garlic pills too-they have natural MSM like

sulphur, which helps the immmune system tremendously(and detoxes chemicals) in

addition to being able to help control candida/yeast probablems in the body.

It's parsley that is supposed to have anti-biotic properties, not garlic though.

But once in a while you can find them in a combination pill. Or I'd just buy the

dried parsley and put it on all of your cooked meals(dinners) like I do.

> > >

> > > > Hi there,

> > > > I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some

> > > > feedback on. My daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently

> > > > broke her arm badly and was put on heavy antibiotics. That didn't

> > > > work so they put her on IV antibiotics. She's had two surgeries so

> > > > far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps pretty badly very

> > > > often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became unbearable.

> > > > Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is

> > > > testing her for Crohn's disease. All her life she's had a low basal

> > > > temperature. She's never had her thyroid tested but will soon.

> > > > Since Crohn's disease is an auto immune disease my gut feeling is

> > > > she will also test positive for thyroid antibodies (I have

> > > > Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going on iodine would be

> > > > beneficial for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics doesn't

> > > > help that much since the antibiotics will kill it. Can she take

> > > > anything else for the bloat, such as Nystatin? Anyone got some good

> > > > suggestions here? She's pretty scared right now and so am I

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

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I agree with you, but I've never tried Nystatin myself. However, are you sure

high doses of garlic and apple cidar vinegar cannot kill off yeast in a hurry

instead of such a strong chemical?

>

>

>

>

> It would help to find out what specific antibiotics she was on, and what the

listed side effects are. Keep giving her probiotics heavily, as it will still

help her even if the antibiotics are killing it off. You will eventually be

ahead in the count. She might have candida problems, and if you can get

Nystatin, it would help immediately, then follow up with good natural candida

attack for a longer period of time.

>

> Donna in IL

>

> From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of

infotech003

> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:20 PM

> iodine

> Subject: Iodine and Krohns disease

>

>

>

> Hi there,

> I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some feedback on. My

daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently broke her arm badly and was put

on heavy antibiotics. That didn't work so they put her on IV antibiotics. She's

had two surgeries so far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps pretty

badly very often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became unbearable. Her

stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is testing her for Crohn's

disease. All her life she's had a low basal temperature. She's never had her

thyroid tested but will soon. Since Crohn's disease is an auto immune disease my

gut feeling is she will also test positive for thyroid antibodies (I have

Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going on iodine would be beneficial

for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics doesn't help that much since the

antibiotics will kill it. Can she take anything else for the bloat, such as

Nystatin? Anyone got some good suggestions here? She's pretty scared right now

and so am I

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Peppermint altoids, or tea may seriously naturally help with the bloat and gas

to my knowledge.

>

>

>

>

> It would help to find out what specific antibiotics she was on, and what the

listed side effects are. Keep giving her probiotics heavily, as it will still

help her even if the antibiotics are killing it off. You will eventually be

ahead in the count. She might have candida problems, and if you can get

Nystatin, it would help immediately, then follow up with good natural candida

attack for a longer period of time.

>

> Donna in IL

>

> From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of

infotech003

> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:20 PM

> iodine

> Subject: Iodine and Krohns disease

>

>

>

> Hi there,

> I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some feedback on. My

daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently broke her arm badly and was put

on heavy antibiotics. That didn't work so they put her on IV antibiotics. She's

had two surgeries so far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps pretty

badly very often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became unbearable. Her

stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is testing her for Crohn's

disease. All her life she's had a low basal temperature. She's never had her

thyroid tested but will soon. Since Crohn's disease is an auto immune disease my

gut feeling is she will also test positive for thyroid antibodies (I have

Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going on iodine would be beneficial

for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics doesn't help that much since the

antibiotics will kill it. Can she take anything else for the bloat, such as

Nystatin? Anyone got some good suggestions here? She's pretty scared right now

and so am I

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to say that there are those who use HBOT's in their practices. My daughter's old neurofeedback provider started using one when we left. She learned about the process from another provider in our state. Yes, it was expensive, but no one needed a doctor's prescription to use it.Debbie Hi there, I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some

feedback on. My daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently broke her arm badly and was put on heavy antibiotics. That didn't work so they put her on IV antibiotics. She's had two surgeries so far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps pretty badly very often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became unbearable. Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is testing her for Crohn's disease. All her life she's had a low basal temperature. She's never had her thyroid tested but will soon. Since Crohn's disease is an auto immune disease my gut feeling is she will also test positive for thyroid antibodies (I have Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going on iodine would be beneficial for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics doesn't help that much since the antibiotics will kill it. Can she take anything else for the bloat, such as Nystatin? Anyone got some good suggestions here? She's pretty scared right

now and so am I

[Guest guest]

The antibiotic properties of garlic are a direct result of the allicin

produced from raw, crushed garlic.LinnOn Jul 21, 2010, at 5:26 PM, light wrote:

I highly recommend garlic and garlic pills too-they have natural MSM like sulphur, which helps the immmune system tremendously(and detoxes chemicals) in addition to being able to help control candida/yeast probablems in the body. It's parsley that is supposed to have anti-biotic properties, not garlic though. But once in a while you can find them in a combination pill. Or I'd just buy the dried parsley and put it on all of your cooked meals(dinners) like I do.

> > >

> > > > Hi there,

> > > > I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some

> > > > feedback on. My daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently

> > > > broke her arm badly and was put on heavy antibiotics. That didn't

> > > > work so they put her on IV antibiotics. She's had two surgeries so

> > > > far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps pretty badly very

> > > > often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became unbearable.

> > > > Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is

> > > > testing her for Crohn's disease. All her life she's had a low basal

> > > > temperature. She's never had her thyroid tested but will soon.

> > > > Since Crohn's disease is an auto immune disease my gut feeling is

> > > > she will also test positive for thyroid antibodies (I have

> > > > Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going on iodine would be

> > > > beneficial for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics doesn't

> > > > help that much since the antibiotics will kill it. Can she take

> > > > anything else for the bloat, such as Nystatin? Anyone got some good

> > > > suggestions here? She's pretty scared right now and so am I

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Wow, thanks for all the info you all gave me. I'm not sure what antibiotics my

daughter is on but I know it's an IV drip, 3 times a day. The doctor is taking

her off it in about a week so it sounds as if this is the time to start the

probiotics (maybe even some Nystatin first as a jump start?). As for the MAP

bacteria, I will send this info on to her and let her research it some more,

definitely very interesting.

What luck (or lack of luck) that a couple of you already have Crohns. Nothing

speaks louder than having gone through it.

I will also let her know about the iodine but think she should start very slowly

on that one since her body is a bit of a train wreck right now.

I'll let you know how she does. I won't post too much about this topic since

it's going a bit off the main path of iodine.

Thanks again!!

and

[Guest guest]

A hyperbaric chamber is a prescriptive medical device, which, by law, requires a prescription. If they are using one without a medical prescription, they could get into legal trouble, so you might get them into trouble by talking about it. A lot of times people find a retired doc who is willing to write the prescriptions for a fee -- can't hurt his career if they take his license & he is already retired. But even that could be dicey if the FDA got wind & decided to crack down. HBOT is only FDA approved for a limited range of ailments, & many of the uses for it are off-label. If anybody makes any medical claims for it, things can get ugly right quick. There are videos on the web of people with severe brain damage showing marked improvement with HBOT. But if you CLAIM that you can reverse brain damage with it, the FDA can come after you, because that is not an approved use.AnneOn Jul 21, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Debbie wrote: Just wanted to say that there are those who use HBOT's in their practices. My daughter's old neurofeedback provider started using one when we left. She learned about the process from another provider in our state. Yes, it was expensive, but no one needed a doctor's prescription to use it.Debbie Hi there, I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some feedback on. My daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently broke her arm badly and was put on heavy antibiotics. That didn't work so they put her on IV antibiotics. She's had two surgeries so far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps pretty badly very often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became unbearable. Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is testing her for Crohn's disease. All her life she's had a low basal temperature. She's never had her thyroid tested but will soon. Since Crohn's disease is an auto immune disease my gut feeling is she will also test positive for thyroid antibodies (I have Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going on iodine would be beneficial for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics doesn't help that much since the antibiotics will kill it. Can she take anything else for the bloat, such as Nystatin? Anyone got some good suggestions here? She's pretty scared right now and so am I

[Guest guest]

The freeze-dried garlic from BioPure has exceptionally high levels of allicin.

> > > > >

> > > > > > Hi there,

> > > > > > I haven't posted for awhile but have a problem I'd love some

> > > > > > feedback on. My daughter, who's in her early thirties, recently

> > > > > > broke her arm badly and was put on heavy antibiotics. That didn't

> > > > > > work so they put her on IV antibiotics. She's had two surgeries so

> > > > > > far. Before this surgery she had stomach cramps pretty badly very

> > > > > > often but after the antibiotics/surgeries they became unbearable.

> > > > > > Her stomach is bloated and she can hardly eat. The doctor is

> > > > > > testing her for Crohn's disease. All her life she's had a low basal

> > > > > > temperature. She's never had her thyroid tested but will soon.

> > > > > > Since Crohn's disease is an auto immune disease my gut feeling is

> > > > > > she will also test positive for thyroid antibodies (I have

> > > > > > Hashimotos and also take iodine). I think going on iodine would be

> > > > > > beneficial for her along with enzymes. Taking probiotics doesn't

> > > > > > help that much since the antibiotics will kill it. Can she take

> > > > > > anything else for the bloat, such as Nystatin? Anyone got some good

> > > > > > suggestions here? She's pretty scared right now and so am I

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

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