Re: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please.

April 8, 2011

Sure it is a product called BalanCe. It's a powder. Here are the specifics.

www.vrp.com is where it can be found.

Serving Size: 1 Scoop (4.96 g)

Servings Per Container: 45

Amount Per Serving

% Daily Value

Vitamin C (ascorbic acid)

2,350 mg

3,917%

Calcium (carbonate)

350 mg

35%

Magnesium (carbonate)

350 mg

88%

Potassium (bicarbonate)

99 mg

3%

Keep container tightly closed in a cool, dry and dark place. Keep out of reach of children.

Buist, ND

Confused and need some guidance, please.> > > > Could someone please help me figure this out? > > I had been on HC for a year. My doctor asked me to wean off. I have been off 6 weeks. Week #4 of wean I started getting ocular migraines and waking up in the morning btwn 330am-430am with low blood sugar (heart pounding, sweating, shaking). > > Here are my last cortisol levels (no HC for 5 weeks):> Cortisol:> Morning 4.2 (3.7-9.5)> Noon 3.7 H (1.2-3.0)> Evening 2.5H (0.6-1.9)> Night 0.5 (0.4-1.0)> > Do I need to go back on cortisol? I need my sleep. My doctor said I no longer need it. I am miserable. Is there something other than cortisol that I could take? > > I was also told my adrenals are not 'strong enough' to start taking iodine. Would it help this situation? > > Lori>

April 8, 2011

Lori,My ND mentioned to me that anyone coming off of HC or prednisone would benefit from some DHEA to help the adrenals in coming back. Don't feel comfortable in recommending a dosage however. Hope this helps.

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 5:56 AM, ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

Sure it is a product called BalanCe. It's a powder. Here are the specifics.

www.vrp.com is where it can be found.

Serving Size: 1 Scoop (4.96 g)

Servings Per Container: 45

Amount Per Serving

% Daily Value

Vitamin C (ascorbic acid)

2,350 mg

3,917%

Calcium (carbonate)

350 mg

35%

Magnesium (carbonate)

350 mg

88%

Potassium (bicarbonate)

99 mg

3%

Keep container tightly closed in a cool, dry and dark place. Keep out of reach of children.

Buist, ND

Confused and need some guidance, please.> > > > Could someone please help me figure this out? > > I had been on HC for a year. My doctor asked me to wean off. I have been off 6 weeks. Week #4 of wean I started getting ocular migraines and waking up in the morning btwn 330am-430am with low blood sugar (heart pounding, sweating, shaking). > > Here are my last cortisol levels (no HC for 5 weeks):> Cortisol:> Morning 4.2 (3.7-9.5)> Noon 3.7 H (1.2-3.0)> Evening 2.5H (0.6-1.9)> Night 0.5 (0.4-1.0)> > Do I need to go back on cortisol? I need my sleep. My doctor said I no longer need it. I am miserable. Is there something other than cortisol that I could take? > > I was also told my adrenals are not 'strong enough' to start taking iodine. Would it help this situation? > > Lori>

-- " I have come to believe that in the world there is nothing to explain the world. " Loren Eiseley

April 8, 2011

For those of us of necessity concerned with economy, I would suggest considering C-Salts: http://nutri.com/index.cfm/product/54_1/c-salts-26-oz.cfmI just figured the cents per gram for each product and the C-Salts is almost half the cost (in its larger size) at 6.43 cents/gm as apposed to 12.22 cents/gm for the BalanCe.You get minerals with the C-Salts also, including zinc, since it is a mixture of mineral ascorbates, which my research leads me to believe are very usable forms.I have been using C-salts for several years, and have been very satisfied with the product and the service. Price includes Priority shipping.Blessings,JudyThey that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever. Ps. 124:1From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>Subject: Re: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please.iodine Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 7:56 AM

Sure it is a product called BalanCe. It's a powder. Here are the specifics.

www.vrp.com is where it can be found.

Serving Size: 1 Scoop (4.96 g)

Servings Per Container: 45

Amount Per Serving

% Daily Value

Vitamin C (ascorbic acid)

2,350 mg

3,917%

Calcium (carbonate)

350 mg

35%

Magnesium (carbonate)

350 mg

88%

Potassium (bicarbonate)

99 mg

3%

Keep container tightly closed in a cool, dry and dark place. Keep out of reach of children.

Buist, ND

Confused and need some guidance, please.> > > > Could someone please help me figure this out? > > I had been on HC for a year. My doctor asked me to wean off. I have been off 6 weeks. Week #4 of wean I started getting ocular migraines and waking up in the morning btwn 330am-430am with low blood sugar (heart pounding, sweating, shaking). > > Here are my last cortisol levels (no HC for 5 weeks):> Cortisol:> Morning 4.2 (3.7-9.5)> Noon 3.7 H (1.2-3.0)> Evening 2.5H (0.6-1.9)> Night 0.5 (0.4-1.0)> > Do I need to go back on cortisol? I need my sleep. My doctor said I no longer need it. I am miserable. Is there something other than cortisol that I could take? > > I was also told my adrenals are not 'strong enough' to start taking iodine. Would it help this situation? > > Lori>

April 16, 2011

Judith, I think you were the one who recommended these C-salts to me. They are WONDERFUL! thank you for the recommendation, I'm feeling much better since I started the C salts. I couldn't believe the price was so good.

ArielOn Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Judith Marg <judithmarg@...> wrote:

For those of us of necessity concerned with economy, I would suggest considering C-Salts: http://nutri.com/index.cfm/product/54_1/c-salts-26-oz.cfm

I just figured the cents per gram for each product and the C-Salts is almost half the cost (in its larger size) at 6.43 cents/gm as apposed to 12.22 cents/gm for the BalanCe.You get minerals with the C-Salts also, including zinc, since it is a mixture of mineral ascorbates, which my research leads me to believe are very usable forms.

I have been using C-salts for several years, and have been very satisfied with the product and the service. Price includes Priority shipping.Blessings,JudyThey that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever. Ps. 124:1

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please.iodine Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 7:56 AM

Sure it is a product called BalanCe. It's a powder. Here are the specifics.

www.vrp.com is where it can be found.

Serving Size: 1 Scoop (4.96 g)

Servings Per Container: 45

Amount Per Serving

% Daily Value

Vitamin C (ascorbic acid)

2,350 mg

3,917%

Calcium (carbonate)

350 mg

35%

Magnesium (carbonate)

350 mg

88%

Potassium (bicarbonate)

99 mg

3%

Keep container tightly closed in a cool, dry and dark place. Keep out of reach of children.

Buist, ND

Confused and need some guidance, please.> > > > Could someone please help me figure this out? > > I had been on HC for a year. My doctor asked me to wean off. I have been off 6 weeks. Week #4 of wean I started getting ocular migraines and waking up in the morning btwn 330am-430am with low blood sugar (heart pounding, sweating, shaking). > > Here are my last cortisol levels (no HC for 5 weeks):> Cortisol:> Morning 4.2 (3.7-9.5)> Noon 3.7 H (1.2-3.0)> Evening 2.5H (0.6-1.9)> Night 0.5 (0.4-1.0)> > Do I need to go back on cortisol? I need my sleep. My doctor said I no longer need it. I am miserable. Is there something other than cortisol that I could take? > > I was also told my adrenals are not 'strong enough' to start taking iodine. Would it help this situation? > > Lori>

-- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue

April 16, 2011

Very low TSH or none at all will cause insomnia. I learned this the hard way after not sleeping a hour here or there for 9 months. I finally went to my endo and low and behold I found out why I couldn't sleep. But I refuse to take any meds that has to do with the thyroid and hormones. I've started on LDN for auto immune diseases and finally I at least sleep 5 hours a night. From: "jprocure@..." <jprocure@...>iodine Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 9:55:48 AMSubject: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please.

Lori

FWIW...I finally got on thyroid meds, T3 (Cytomel) and my intractable insomnia (at one time I was on an ad and 2 rx sleep meds and still was not sleeping well) is pretty much gone...and it's only been three weeks.

Just a thought. Have you had your thyroid checked?

Jaye

> >

> > Could someone please help me figure this out?

> >

> > I had been on HC for a year. My doctor asked me to wean off. I have been off 6 weeks. Week #4 of wean I started getting ocular migraines and waking up in the morning btwn 330am-430am with low blood sugar (heart pounding, sweating, shaking).

> >

> > Here are my last cortisol levels (no HC for 5 weeks):

> > Cortisol:

> > Morning 4.2 (3.7-9.5)

> > Noon 3.7 H (1.2-3.0)

> > Evening 2.5H (0.6-1.9)

> > Night 0.5 (0.4-1.0)

> >

> > Do I need to go back on cortisol? I need my sleep. My doctor said I no longer need it. I am miserable. Is there something other than cortisol that I could take?

> >

> > I was also told my adrenals are not 'strong enough' to start taking iodine. Would it help this situation?

> >

> > Lori

> >

>

April 16, 2011

Why do you refuse thyroid meds/hormones? Is there something those of us on it should know?My MD just told me my TSH is a little low and wants me to lower my thyroid meds but I'm already hypothyroid at this dosage. I took 130 mg SSKI for a couple days right before my test for TSH - would that do it?

thanks, ArielOn Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 12:04 PM, DeNormandie <blessedark2010@...> wrote:

Very low TSH or none at all will cause insomnia. I learned this the hard way after not sleeping a hour here or there for 9 months. I finally went to my endo and low and behold I found out why I couldn't sleep. But I refuse to take any meds that has to do with the thyroid and hormones. I've started on LDN for auto immune diseases and finally I at least sleep 5 hours a night.

From: " jprocure@... " <jprocure@...>

iodine Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 9:55:48 AM

Subject: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please.

Lori

FWIW...I finally got on thyroid meds, T3 (Cytomel) and my intractable insomnia (at one time I was on an ad and 2 rx sleep meds and still was not sleeping well) is pretty much gone...and it's only been three weeks.

Just a thought. Have you had your thyroid checked?

Jaye

> >

> > Could someone please help me figure this out?

> >

> > I had been on HC for a year. My doctor asked me to wean off. I have been off 6 weeks. Week #4 of wean I started getting ocular migraines and waking up in the morning btwn 330am-430am with low blood sugar (heart pounding, sweating, shaking).

> >

> > Here are my last cortisol levels (no HC for 5 weeks):

> > Cortisol:

> > Morning 4.2 (3.7-9.5)

> > Noon 3.7 H (1.2-3.0)

> > Evening 2.5H (0.6-1.9)

> > Night 0.5 (0.4-1.0)

> >

> > Do I need to go back on cortisol? I need my sleep. My doctor said I no longer need it. I am miserable. Is there something other than cortisol that I could take?

> >

> > I was also told my adrenals are not 'strong enough' to start taking iodine. Would it help this situation?

> >

> > Lori

> >

>

-- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue

April 16, 2011

I just refuse to take man made medicine. My preference. I quit taking 11 medications in the past 5 months including morphine. Also meds for crohn's, RA, etc. Since i started LDN I will never go back to ay of the meds I was on. The LDN is working and also helps with my pain and sleep. I get scared with my liver taking all those darn meds with colored dyes, fillers, and chemicals.Ariel, if you are on iodine long enough you shouldn't need thyroid meds, which is my belief anyways. From: Ariel Monserrat <wolvenwood@...>iodine Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 11:23:21 AMSubject: Re: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please.

Why do you refuse thyroid meds/hormones? Is there something those of us on it should know?My MD just told me my TSH is a little low and wants me to lower my thyroid meds but I'm already hypothyroid at this dosage. I took 130 mg SSKI for a couple days right before my test for TSH - would that do it?

thanks, ArielOn Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 12:04 PM, DeNormandie <blessedark2010@...> wrote:

Very low TSH or none at all will cause insomnia. I learned this the hard way after not sleeping a hour here or there for 9 months. I finally went to my endo and low and behold I found out why I couldn't sleep. But I refuse to take any meds that has to do with the thyroid and hormones. I've started on LDN for auto immune diseases and finally I at least sleep 5 hours a night.

From: "jprocure@..." <jprocure@...>

iodine Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 9:55:48 AM

Subject: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please.

Lori

FWIW...I finally got on thyroid meds, T3 (Cytomel) and my intractable insomnia (at one time I was on an ad and 2 rx sleep meds and still was not sleeping well) is pretty much gone...and it's only been three weeks.

Just a thought. Have you had your thyroid checked?

Jaye

> >

> > Could someone please help me figure this out?

> >

> > I had been on HC for a year. My doctor asked me to wean off. I have been off 6 weeks. Week #4 of wean I started getting ocular migraines and waking up in the morning btwn 330am-430am with low blood sugar (heart pounding, sweating, shaking).

> >

> > Here are my last cortisol levels (no HC for 5 weeks):

> > Cortisol:

> > Morning 4.2 (3.7-9.5)

> > Noon 3.7 H (1.2-3.0)

> > Evening 2.5H (0.6-1.9)

> > Night 0.5 (0.4-1.0)

> >

> > Do I need to go back on cortisol? I need my sleep. My doctor said I no longer need it. I am miserable. Is there something other than cortisol that I could take?

> >

> > I was also told my adrenals are not 'strong enough' to start taking iodine. Would it help this situation?

> >

> > Lori

> >

>

-- "Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring."-Tom Donohue

April 16, 2011

I'm new to the site. What's LDN?On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 9:31 AM, DeNormandie <blessedark2010@...> wrote:

I just refuse to take man made medicine. My preference. I quit taking 11 medications in the past 5 months including morphine. Also meds for crohn's, RA, etc. Since i started LDN I will never go back to ay of the meds I was on. The LDN is working and also helps with my pain and sleep. I get scared with my liver taking all those darn meds with colored dyes, fillers, and chemicals.

Ariel, if you are on iodine long enough you shouldn't need thyroid meds, which is my belief anyways.

From: Ariel Monserrat <wolvenwood@...>

iodine Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 11:23:21 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please.

Why do you refuse thyroid meds/hormones? Is there something those of us on it should know?My MD just told me my TSH is a little low and wants me to lower my thyroid meds but I'm already hypothyroid at this dosage. I took 130 mg SSKI for a couple days right before my test for TSH - would that do it?

thanks, ArielOn Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 12:04 PM, DeNormandie <blessedark2010@...> wrote:

Very low TSH or none at all will cause insomnia. I learned this the hard way after not sleeping a hour here or there for 9 months. I finally went to my endo and low and behold I found out why I couldn't sleep. But I refuse to take any meds that has to do with the thyroid and hormones. I've started on LDN for auto immune diseases and finally I at least sleep 5 hours a night.

From: " jprocure@... " <jprocure@...>

iodine Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 9:55:48 AM

Subject: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please.

Lori

FWIW...I finally got on thyroid meds, T3 (Cytomel) and my intractable insomnia (at one time I was on an ad and 2 rx sleep meds and still was not sleeping well) is pretty much gone...and it's only been three weeks.

Just a thought. Have you had your thyroid checked?

Jaye

> >

> > Could someone please help me figure this out?

> >

> > I had been on HC for a year. My doctor asked me to wean off. I have been off 6 weeks. Week #4 of wean I started getting ocular migraines and waking up in the morning btwn 330am-430am with low blood sugar (heart pounding, sweating, shaking).

> >

> > Here are my last cortisol levels (no HC for 5 weeks):

> > Cortisol:

> > Morning 4.2 (3.7-9.5)

> > Noon 3.7 H (1.2-3.0)

> > Evening 2.5H (0.6-1.9)

> > Night 0.5 (0.4-1.0)

> >

> > Do I need to go back on cortisol? I need my sleep. My doctor said I no longer need it. I am miserable. Is there something other than cortisol that I could take?

> >

> > I was also told my adrenals are not 'strong enough' to start taking iodine. Would it help this situation?

> >

> > Lori

> >

>

-- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue

April 16, 2011

thanks for the info, . Any idea how long it takes for the iodine to render the thyroid meds not necessary? I've been on iodine for 6 months and am just now getting my temps up to 98 F degrees. The iodine and getting my adrenals in order enable me to raise the dosage of thyroid meds (I use natural dessicated thyroid) so I can feel better. But if I can get off them, that would be great, I hate dealing with M.D.s.

Also, what causes you to believe we don't need meds for thyroid if we take iodine? Is this from personal experience, medical papers you've read or something else?thanks for the help, Ariel

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 12:31 PM, DeNormandie <blessedark2010@...> wrote:

I just refuse to take man made medicine. My preference. I quit taking 11 medications in the past 5 months including morphine. Also meds for crohn's, RA, etc. Since i started LDN I will never go back to ay of the meds I was on. The LDN is working and also helps with my pain and sleep. I get scared with my liver taking all those darn meds with colored dyes, fillers, and chemicals.

Ariel, if you are on iodine long enough you shouldn't need thyroid meds, which is my belief anyways.

From: Ariel Monserrat <wolvenwood@...>

iodine Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 11:23:21 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please.

Why do you refuse thyroid meds/hormones? Is there something those of us on it should know?My MD just told me my TSH is a little low and wants me to lower my thyroid meds but I'm already hypothyroid at this dosage. I took 130 mg SSKI for a couple days right before my test for TSH - would that do it?

thanks, ArielOn Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 12:04 PM, DeNormandie <blessedark2010@...> wrote:

Very low TSH or none at all will cause insomnia. I learned this the hard way after not sleeping a hour here or there for 9 months. I finally went to my endo and low and behold I found out why I couldn't sleep. But I refuse to take any meds that has to do with the thyroid and hormones. I've started on LDN for auto immune diseases and finally I at least sleep 5 hours a night.

From: " jprocure@... " <jprocure@...>

iodine Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 9:55:48 AM

Subject: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please.

Lori

FWIW...I finally got on thyroid meds, T3 (Cytomel) and my intractable insomnia (at one time I was on an ad and 2 rx sleep meds and still was not sleeping well) is pretty much gone...and it's only been three weeks.

Just a thought. Have you had your thyroid checked?

Jaye

> >

> > Could someone please help me figure this out?

> >

> > I had been on HC for a year. My doctor asked me to wean off. I have been off 6 weeks. Week #4 of wean I started getting ocular migraines and waking up in the morning btwn 330am-430am with low blood sugar (heart pounding, sweating, shaking).

> >

> > Here are my last cortisol levels (no HC for 5 weeks):

> > Cortisol:

> > Morning 4.2 (3.7-9.5)

> > Noon 3.7 H (1.2-3.0)

> > Evening 2.5H (0.6-1.9)

> > Night 0.5 (0.4-1.0)

> >

> > Do I need to go back on cortisol? I need my sleep. My doctor said I no longer need it. I am miserable. Is there something other than cortisol that I could take?

> >

> > I was also told my adrenals are not 'strong enough' to start taking iodine. Would it help this situation?

> >

> > Lori

> >

>

-- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue

April 16, 2011

Ariel,I'm so glad that the C-Salts are serving you well. I have been very satisfied and yes, the price is good.Blessings,JudyThey that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever. Ps. 124:1From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please.iodine Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 7:56 AM

Sure it is a product called BalanCe. It's a powder. Here are the specifics.

www.vrp.com is where it can be found.

Serving Size: 1 Scoop (4.96 g)

Servings Per Container: 45

Amount Per Serving

% Daily Value

Vitamin C (ascorbic acid)

2,350 mg

3,917%

Calcium (carbonate)

350 mg

35%

Magnesium (carbonate)

350 mg

88%

Potassium (bicarbonate)

99 mg

3%

Keep container tightly closed in a cool, dry and dark place. Keep out of reach of children.

Buist, ND

Confused and need some guidance, please.> > > > Could someone please help me figure this out? > > I had been on HC for a year. My doctor asked me to wean off. I have been off 6 weeks. Week #4 of wean I started getting ocular migraines and waking up in the morning btwn 330am-430am with low blood sugar (heart pounding, sweating, shaking). > > Here are my last cortisol levels (no HC for 5 weeks):> Cortisol:> Morning 4.2 (3.7-9.5)> Noon 3.7 H (1.2-3.0)> Evening 2.5H (0.6-1.9)> Night 0.5 (0.4-1.0)> > Do I need to go back on cortisol? I need my sleep. My doctor said I no longer need it. I am miserable. Is there something other than cortisol that I could take? > > I was also told my adrenals are not 'strong enough' to start taking iodine. Would it help this situation? > > Lori>

-- "Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring."-Tom Donohue

April 16, 2011

Hi ,Â Â I Â would love to know how long you have been on LDN and how long before you started to see some results.Â Do you have Hashimotoâ€™s too?Â Â Just wondering since we just started our daughter on LDN.Â Â She has Hashiâ€™s and has not slept well in 4 yrs. Thanks very much,This group is such a blessing to me,Luci From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of DeNormandieSent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 12:31 PMiodine Subject: Re: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please. I just refuse to take man made medicine. My preference. I quit taking 11 medications in the past 5 months including morphine. Also meds for crohn's, RA, etc. Since i started LDN I will never go back to ay of the meds I was on. The LDN is working and also helps with my pain and sleep. I get scared with my liver taking all those darn meds with colored dyes, fillers, and chemicals.Ariel, if you are on iodine long enough you shouldn't need thyroid meds, which is my belief anyways.

April 16, 2011

ariel,

Please be careful on this... it is a very different proposition to

NOT take a medicine/pharmaceutical that is made to combat certain

symptoms that we may have and to NOT take a product made to replace

what your body must have and is essential to health! Thyroid meds-

not the T4 synthetic/ Synthroid type- but the ones prescribed to

REPLACE what your body is not making, are essential to your very

health. If you are low on them chronically, you set up your body

for other health problems. I can't stress enough how important

healthy thyroid levels are!

Same goes for BIO-identical hormones made for replacing exactly what

the body uses and in the same way the body uses it. They are not at

all like the Synthetic HRT routines. And it is being proven that if

you keep optimal levels of these in your body, you stay more

healthy!!!!

I, for one, caution anyone from being afraid of giving your body

exactly what it needs for health, in the most bio-identical form

needed, and in only the amount needed. I think it is a big mistake

for people to lump thyroid hormones in with medications at all... it

is a very different priciple on what you are working on...

Just my 2 cents worth! Try reading "Why do I still have Thyroid

Symptoms..." if you are hypo and/or hashi's....

On 4/16/2011 9:23 AM, Ariel Monserrat wrote:

Why do you refuse thyroid meds/hormones? Is there

something those of us on it should know?

My MD just told me my TSH is a little low and wants me to

lower my thyroid meds but I'm already hypothyroid at this

dosage. I took 130 mg SSKI for a couple days right before

my test for TSH - would that do it?

thanks, Ariel

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 12:04 PM,

DeNormandie <blessedark2010@...>

wrote:

Very low

TSH or none at all will cause insomnia. I

learned this the hard way after not sleeping a

hour here or there for 9 months. I finally

went to my endo and low and behold I found out

why I couldn't sleep. But I refuse to take any

meds that has to do with the thyroid and

hormones. I've started on LDN for auto immune

diseases and finally I at least sleep 5 hours

a night.

From:

"jprocure@..."

<jprocure@...>

To:

iodine

Sent:

Sat, April 16, 2011 9:55:48 AM

Subject:

Re: Confused and need some

guidance, please.

Lori

FWIW...I finally got on thyroid meds,

T3 (Cytomel) and my intractable

insomnia (at one time I was on an ad

and 2 rx sleep meds and still was not

sleeping well) is pretty much

gone...and it's only been three weeks.

Just a thought. Have you had your

thyroid checked?

Jaye

> >

> > Could someone please help me

figure this out?

> >

> > I had been on HC for a year.

My doctor asked me to wean off. I have

been off 6 weeks. Week #4 of wean I

started getting ocular migraines and

waking up in the morning btwn

330am-430am with low blood sugar

(heart pounding, sweating, shaking).

> >

> > Here are my last cortisol

levels (no HC for 5 weeks):

> > Cortisol:

> > Morning 4.2 (3.7-9.5)

> > Noon 3.7 H (1.2-3.0)

> > Evening 2.5H (0.6-1.9)

> > Night 0.5 (0.4-1.0)

> >

> > Do I need to go back on

cortisol? I need my sleep. My doctor

said I no longer need it. I am

miserable. Is there something other

than cortisol that I could take?

> >

> > I was also told my adrenals

are not 'strong enough' to start

taking iodine. Would it help this

situation?

> >

> > Lori

> >

>

--

"Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being

boring."

-Tom Donohue

April 16, 2011

www.iodine is a great support group and is run by Buirst ND. I think that is how you spell her last name, I think. It depends on the individual with iodine. Also there are supporting nutrients that need to be taken also and salt loading for detox. Iodine helps your body detox bromine and this can take months to years. There is bromine all around us from cell and cordless phones, computer monitors, tv's, cell phone towers, cars and etc. The iodine helps push the bromine out of of body cells and salt loading helps with detox symptoms. Detox symptoms can be acne, headaches, skin irritations and a host of other symptoms. Salt loading is where you take a 1 t. of like himalayan pink sea salt in warm water and drink and then drink copious amounts of water afterwards. This helps

with the lessen the severity of detox symptoms. Our bodies need salt, not the table salt that is processed and bleached.Take a look at this group and read the e-mails that the list mom sends to you and read all of them and everything you can at the web site. A wealth of info. 87% of the population is iodine deficient.There is no longer iodine soil for farming and doctors tell people low salt diet. They are the ones that pt iodine in the darn table salt to begin with but table salt is the bad salt. Any superior sea salt will do plus sea salt has other minerals that our body needs. From: Ariel

Monserrat <wolvenwood@...>iodine Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 12:20:07 PMSubject: Re: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please. thanks for the info, . Any idea how long it takes for the iodine to render the thyroid meds not necessary? I've been on iodine for 6 months and am just now getting my temps up to 98 F degrees. The iodine and getting my adrenals in order enable me to raise the dosage of thyroid meds (I use natural dessicated thyroid) so I can feel better. But if I can get off them, that would be

great, I hate dealing with M.D.s. Also, what causes you to believe we don't need meds for thyroid if we take iodine? Is this from personal experience, medical papers you've read or something else?thanks for the help, Ariel On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 12:31 PM, DeNormandie <blessedark2010@...> wrote: I just refuse to take man made medicine. My preference. I quit taking 11 medications in the past 5 months including morphine. Also meds for crohn's, RA, etc.

Since i started LDN I will never go back to ay of the meds I was on. The LDN is working and also helps with my pain and sleep. I get scared with my liver taking all those darn meds with colored dyes, fillers, and chemicals. Ariel, if you are on iodine long enough you shouldn't need thyroid meds, which is my belief anyways. From: Ariel Monserrat <wolvenwood@...> iodine Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 11:23:21 AM Subject: Re: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please. Why do you refuse thyroid meds/hormones? Is there something those of us on it should know?My MD just told me my TSH is a little low and wants me to lower my thyroid meds but I'm already hypothyroid at this dosage. I took 130 mg SSKI for a couple days right before my test for TSH - would that do it? thanks, ArielOn Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 12:04 PM, DeNormandie <blessedark2010@...>

wrote: Very low TSH or none at all will cause insomnia. I learned this the hard way after not sleeping a hour here or there for 9 months. I finally went to my endo and low and behold I found out why I couldn't sleep. But I refuse to take any meds that has to do with the thyroid and hormones. I've started on LDN for auto immune diseases and finally I at least sleep 5 hours a night. From: "jprocure@..." <jprocure@...> iodine Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 9:55:48 AM Subject: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please. Lori FWIW...I finally got on thyroid meds, T3 (Cytomel) and my intractable insomnia (at one time I was on an ad and 2 rx

sleep meds and still was not sleeping well) is pretty much gone...and it's only been three weeks. Just a thought. Have you had your thyroid checked? Jaye > > > > Could someone please help me figure this out? > > > > I had been on HC for a year. My doctor asked me to wean off. I have

been off 6 weeks. Week #4 of wean I started getting ocular migraines and waking up in the morning btwn 330am-430am with low blood sugar (heart pounding, sweating, shaking). > > > > Here are my last cortisol levels (no HC for 5 weeks): > > Cortisol: > > Morning 4.2 (3.7-9.5) > > Noon 3.7 H (1.2-3.0) > > Evening 2.5H (0.6-1.9) > > Night 0.5 (0.4-1.0) > > > > Do I need to go back on cortisol? I need my sleep. My doctor said I no longer need it. I am miserable. Is there something other than cortisol that I could take? > > > > I was also told my adrenals are not 'strong enough' to start taking iodine. Would it help this situation? > > > > Lori > > > -- "Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring."-Tom Donohue -- "Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring."-Tom Donohue

April 16, 2011

Um, this IS the iodine group and I've been on it for quite awhile now, so I've been reading all the emails and already know the information you just gave me, but thanks anyway. I've gone through the detox, am taking numerous companion nutrients and the Celtic sea salt. I have been upping my dosage of thyroid meds and now have a basal temp of 98 so I'm pretty good now.

I have been reading all the emails for many months now and have learned much from this group. I just wondered how long I might expect for the iodine to be all that I need (without thyroid meds). That's all that I was asking. Seems like it's an individual thing, though.

Is there anyone else on here that's been able to give up thyroid meds?ArielOn Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 2:51 PM, DeNormandie <blessedark2010@...> wrote:

www.iodine is a great support group and is run by Buirst ND. I think that is how you spell her last name, I think. It depends on the individual with iodine. Also there are supporting nutrients that need to be taken also and salt loading for detox. Iodine helps your body detox bromine and this can take months to years. There is bromine all around us from cell and cordless phones, computer monitors, tv's, cell phone towers, cars and etc. The iodine helps push the bromine out of of body cells and salt loading helps with detox symptoms. Detox symptoms can be acne, headaches, skin irritations and a host of other symptoms. Salt loading is where you take a 1 t. of like himalayan pink sea salt in warm water and drink and then drink copious amounts of water afterwards. This helps

with the lessen the severity of detox symptoms. Our bodies need salt, not the table salt that is processed and bleached.Take a look at this group and read the e-mails that the list mom sends to you and read all of them and everything you can at the web site. A wealth of info. 87% of the population is iodine deficient.There is no longer iodine soil for farming and doctors tell people low salt diet. They are the ones that pt iodine in the darn table salt to begin with but table salt is the bad salt. Any superior sea salt will do plus sea salt has other minerals that our body needs.

From: Ariel

Monserrat <wolvenwood@...>iodine

Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 12:20:07 PMSubject: Re: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please.

thanks for the info, . Any idea how long it takes for the iodine to render the thyroid meds not necessary? I've been on iodine for 6 months and am just now getting my temps up to 98 F degrees. The iodine and getting my adrenals in order enable me to raise the dosage of thyroid meds (I use natural dessicated thyroid) so I can feel better. But if I can get off them, that would be

great, I hate dealing with M.D.s. Also, what causes you to believe we don't need meds for thyroid if we take iodine? Is this from personal experience, medical papers you've read or something else?thanks for the help, Ariel

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 12:31 PM, DeNormandie <blessedark2010@...> wrote:

I just refuse to take man made medicine. My preference. I quit taking 11 medications in the past 5 months including morphine. Also meds for crohn's, RA, etc.

Since i started LDN I will never go back to ay of the meds I was on. The LDN is working and also helps with my pain and sleep. I get scared with my liver taking all those darn meds with colored dyes, fillers, and chemicals.

Ariel, if you are on iodine long enough you shouldn't need thyroid meds, which is my belief anyways.

From: Ariel Monserrat <wolvenwood@...>

iodine Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 11:23:21 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please. Why do you refuse thyroid meds/hormones? Is there something those of us on it should know?

My MD just told me my TSH is a little low and wants me to lower my thyroid meds but I'm already hypothyroid at this dosage. I took 130 mg SSKI for a couple days right before my test for TSH - would that do it? thanks, Ariel

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 12:04 PM, DeNormandie <blessedark2010@...>

wrote:

Very low TSH or none at all will cause insomnia. I learned this the hard way after not sleeping a hour here or there for 9 months. I finally went to my endo and low and behold I found out why I couldn't sleep. But I refuse to take any meds that has to do with the thyroid and hormones. I've started on LDN for auto immune diseases and finally I at least sleep 5 hours a night.

From: " jprocure@... " <jprocure@...>

iodine Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 9:55:48 AM

Subject: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please. Lori

FWIW...I finally got on thyroid meds, T3 (Cytomel) and my intractable insomnia (at one time I was on an ad and 2 rx

sleep meds and still was not sleeping well) is pretty much gone...and it's only been three weeks. Just a thought. Have you had your thyroid checked? Jaye > >

> > Could someone please help me figure this out? > > > > I had been on HC for a year. My doctor asked me to wean off. I have

been off 6 weeks. Week #4 of wean I started getting ocular migraines and waking up in the morning btwn 330am-430am with low blood sugar (heart pounding, sweating, shaking). > > > > Here are my last cortisol levels (no HC for 5 weeks):

> > Cortisol: > > Morning 4.2 (3.7-9.5) > > Noon 3.7 H (1.2-3.0) > > Evening 2.5H (0.6-1.9) > > Night 0.5 (0.4-1.0) > > > > Do I need to go back on cortisol? I need my sleep. My doctor said I no longer need it. I am miserable. Is there something other than cortisol that I could take?

> > > > I was also told my adrenals are not 'strong enough' to start taking iodine. Would it help this situation? > > > > Lori > > >

-- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue

April 16, 2011

I've been only on it for about 3 months now give or take a week. I have crohn's, celiac's, fibro, AS, psorisis, RA, and a few others. The only thing so far is I sleep about 4 to 5 hours instead of one. It took about a month before I started sleeping more. It may take a good 6 months before I see any results. I've had crohn's for over 35 years so I know LDN isn't going to happen overnight. Also celiac's disease damages the villa in small intestines and that will take years being off of gluten to totally heal.As with holistic medicine you can't expect miracles to happen overnight. These things take time and patience. From: Luci Tenenbaum <lutenenbaum@...>iodine Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 1:07:48 PMSubject: RE: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please.

Hi , I would love to know how long you have been on LDN and how long before you started to see some results. Do you have Hashimotoâ€™s too? Just wondering since we just started our daughter on LDN. She has Hashiâ€™s and has not slept well in 4 yrs. Thanks very much,This group is such a blessing to me,Luci From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of DeNormandieSent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 12:31 PMiodine Subject: Re: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please. I just refuse to take man made medicine. My preference. I quit taking 11 medications in the past 5 months including morphine. Also meds for crohn's, RA, etc. Since i started LDN I will never go back to ay of the meds I was on. The LDN is working and also helps with my pain and sleep. I get scared with my liver taking all those darn meds with colored dyes, fillers, and chemicals.Ariel, if you are on iodine long enough you

shouldn't need thyroid meds, which is my belief anyways.

April 16, 2011

Low Dose Naltrexone. It has helped many people with all kinds of autoimmune diseases.Google it and read all you can. From: Fife <lafife@...>iodine Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 11:37:38 AMSubject: Re: Re: Confused and need some guidance,

please.

I'm new to the site. What's LDN?On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 9:31 AM, DeNormandie <blessedark2010@...> wrote:

I just refuse to take man made medicine. My preference. I quit taking 11 medications in the past 5 months including morphine. Also meds for crohn's, RA, etc. Since i started LDN I will never go back to ay of the meds I was on. The LDN is working and also helps with my pain and sleep. I get scared with my liver taking all those darn meds with colored dyes, fillers, and chemicals.

Ariel, if you are on iodine long enough you shouldn't need thyroid meds, which is my belief anyways.

From: Ariel Monserrat <wolvenwood@...>

iodine Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 11:23:21 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please.

Why do you refuse thyroid meds/hormones? Is there something those of us on it should know?My MD just told me my TSH is a little low and wants me to lower my thyroid meds but I'm already hypothyroid at this dosage. I took 130 mg SSKI for a couple days right before my test for TSH - would that do it?

thanks, ArielOn Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 12:04 PM, DeNormandie <blessedark2010@...> wrote:

Very low TSH or none at all will cause insomnia. I learned this the hard way after not sleeping a hour here or there for 9 months. I finally went to my endo and low and behold I found out why I couldn't sleep. But I refuse to take any meds that has to do with the thyroid and hormones. I've started on LDN for auto immune diseases and finally I at least sleep 5 hours a night.

From: "jprocure@..." <jprocure@...>

iodine Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 9:55:48 AM

Subject: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please.

Lori

FWIW...I finally got on thyroid meds, T3 (Cytomel) and my intractable insomnia (at one time I was on an ad and 2 rx sleep meds and still was not sleeping well) is pretty much gone...and it's only been three weeks.

Just a thought. Have you had your thyroid checked?

Jaye

> >

> > Could someone please help me figure this out?

> >

> > I had been on HC for a year. My doctor asked me to wean off. I have been off 6 weeks. Week #4 of wean I started getting ocular migraines and waking up in the morning btwn 330am-430am with low blood sugar (heart pounding, sweating, shaking).

> >

> > Here are my last cortisol levels (no HC for 5 weeks):

> > Cortisol:

> > Morning 4.2 (3.7-9.5)

> > Noon 3.7 H (1.2-3.0)

> > Evening 2.5H (0.6-1.9)

> > Night 0.5 (0.4-1.0)

> >

> > Do I need to go back on cortisol? I need my sleep. My doctor said I no longer need it. I am miserable. Is there something other than cortisol that I could take?

> >

> > I was also told my adrenals are not 'strong enough' to start taking iodine. Would it help this situation?

> >

> > Lori

> >

>

-- "Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring."-Tom Donohue

April 16, 2011

Thanks ,Â I wish you the best! From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of DeNormandieSent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 3:22 PMiodine Subject: Re: Re: Confused and need some guidance, please. I've been only on it for about 3 months now give or take a week. I have crohn's, celiac's, fibro, AS, psorisis, RA, and a few others. The only thing so far is I sleep about 4 to 5 hours instead of one. It took about a month before I started sleeping more. It may take a good 6 months before I see any results. I've had crohn's for over 35 years so I know LDN isn't going to happen overnight. Also celiac's disease damages the villa in small intestines and that will take years being off of gluten to totally heal.As with holistic medicine you can't expect miracles to happen overnight. These things take time and patience.

April 16, 2011

Thanks, Linn, that helps alot. ArielOn Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Linn <mwm1glm@...> wrote:

Ariel,

It varies with everyone. Some people find that early on they are able to reduce thyroid meds, some never do. Steph relates that Dr. B has about a third of his patients who are able to discontinue thyroid meds from iodine supplementation. I was able to reduce my thyroid meds by a large amount, but not quickly, it has been over a long period of time and with the use of other supplements. I do think it may have a lot to do with healing and detoxing for me. Caution should be observed though with the reduction of thyroid meds and it would be prudent to have periodic testing to correlate.

Linn

>

> >

> > www.iodine is a great support group and is run by

> > Buirst ND. I think that is how you spell her last name, I think.

> > It depends on the individual with iodine. Also there are supporting

> > nutrients that need to be taken also and salt loading for detox. Iodine

> > helps your body detox bromine and this can take months to years. There is

> > bromine all around us from cell and cordless phones, computer monitors,

> > tv's, cell phone towers, cars and etc. The iodine helps push the bromine out

> > of of body cells and salt loading helps with detox symptoms. Detox symptoms

> > can be acne, headaches, skin irritations and a host of other symptoms. Salt

> > loading is where you take a 1 t. of like himalayan pink sea salt in warm

> > water and drink and then drink copious amounts of water afterwards. This

> > helps with the lessen the severity of detox symptoms. Our bodies need salt,

> > not the table salt that is processed and bleached.

> > Take a look at this group and read the e-mails that the list mom sends to

> > you and read all of them and everything you can at the web site. A wealth of

> > info. 87% of the population is iodine deficient.There is no longer iodine

> > soil for farming and doctors tell people low salt diet. They are the ones

> > that pt iodine in the darn table salt to begin with but table salt is the

> > bad salt. Any superior sea salt will do plus sea salt has other minerals

> > that our body needs.

> >

-- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue

April 16, 2011

thanks for the warning and concern, , I appreciate it. I'm not thinking of going off my Naturethroid and I'm well aware of all the things you said. For me, personally, I don't thinkI''ll ever be able to go off them, as I was undiagnosed and went without needed thyroid meds for a very long time; I'm fortunate I didn't get Hashi's!

I'm just now at the point where I've probably reached my maximum dosage after getting on iodine and detoxing from it and healing my adrenals; it's all finally coming together and I'm starting to feel better, had a basal temp this a.m. of 98F, woohoo!

ArielOn Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Teel <caalde@...> wrote: