Guest guest Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 How does one make the determination about which is right for them when salivary results indicate a need for this level of support? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 if it is severe then hc.if it is light glandular . you have also isocort in between. an hormone dr can tell you or there is a group on On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:04 PM, baxrox <baxrox@...> wrote: How does one make the determination about which is right for them when salivary results indicate a need for this level of support?Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Thank you for the reply ido! The group seems to only focus on HC, the two doctors that have been consulted don't even want to provide information about glandular so I thought I would post the question here because I have seen a couple of folks say that they have used glandular, including , and I value the thoughts that are shared here. I see the Biotics Research adrenal glandular mentioned on Dr. Rind's website but no information about when to use HC. I am just not having much luck figuring out what criteria might be used for a person to decide which is right for them. If you could explain a bit more about your comment regarding more severe adrenal fatigue needing HC and lesser adrenal fatigue using glandular I would appreciate it. Or, if you know of a website to direct me to I'm glad to have that. Thanks again ido and would still appreciate input from others as well. > > > > > > > How does one make the determination about which is right for them when > > salivary results indicate a need for this level of support? > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 you have to do the 4x saliva test for cortisol and to see how low or how high your cortisol in comparison to the normal. in the group they use also liquerice and adaptogens and also isocort. they do not like the glandular with adrenaline in it. i am not aware of site with interpetion.that is experience .in some of the labs they might give advice. there is another book that you might want to read. Safe Uses of Cortisol that is more or less the guide line to the group On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:52 AM, baxrox <baxrox@...> wrote: Thank you for the reply ido!The group seems to only focus on HC, the two doctors that have been consulted don't even want to provide information about glandular so I thought I would post the question here because I have seen a couple of folks say that they have used glandular, including , and I value the thoughts that are shared here. I see the Biotics Research adrenal glandular mentioned on Dr. Rind's website but no information about when to use HC. I am just not having much luck figuring out what criteria might be used for a person to decide which is right for them. If you could explain a bit more about your comment regarding more severe adrenal fatigue needing HC and lesser adrenal fatigue using glandular I would appreciate it. Or, if you know of a website to direct me to I'm glad to have that. Thanks again ido and would still appreciate input from others as well. > > >> >> > How does one make the determination about which is right for them when> > salivary results indicate a need for this level of support? > >> > Thanks!> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 hi, I started HC in Dec last year and since I was listening to the adrenal forum only, they do not believe in glandulars. there are some that do not have adrenaline in them, only cortex. they also say that glandulars, since they come from natural sources, can never guarantee the same strength as Isocort or HC. and since Isocort is not available where I live I started HC. I have later heard that my saliva results did not really warrant HC at all. my morning was in the middle of the reference and mid day and afternoon slightly low, evening ok. now I don't know if to replace HC slowly with something else or keep going... So you want to consider carefully before starting because these therapies take a long time and you cannot just switch over to something else. Susa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How does one make the determination about which is right for them when > > > > salivary results indicate a need for this level of support? > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 I used Biotics Research Cytozyme AD along with HC when my dad was ill and in ICU and then died. My adrenals were taxed. My symptoms were that I would almost pass out when I stood up. My heart rate would drop. I had been taking 2 Cytozyme 2x a day and that did not help so I ended up taking both at the direction of my doc. I took up to 30 mgs of HC per day at my worst but I only did it for 4 mos or so because it made me gain weight. Vit C, Sea Salt and Mag are also important for adrenals. Buist, ND Re: Adrenal glandular vs HC Thank you for the reply ido!The group seems to only focus on HC, the two doctors that have been consulted don't even want to provide information about glandular so I thought I would post the question here because I have seen a couple of folks say that they have used glandular, including , and I value the thoughts that are shared here.I see the Biotics Research adrenal glandular mentioned on Dr. Rind's website but no information about when to use HC. I am just not having much luck figuring out what criteria might be used for a person to decide which is right for them.If you could explain a bit more about your comment regarding more severe adrenal fatigue needing HC and lesser adrenal fatigue using glandular I would appreciate it. Or, if you know of a website to direct me to I'm glad to have that.Thanks again ido and would still appreciate input from others as well.> > >> >> > How does one make the determination about which is right for them when> > salivary results indicate a need for this level of support?> >> > Thanks!> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 There is another option other than glandulars or Hydrocortisone. I am using Dr. 's adrenal rebuilder which is adrenal cell extracts without the hormones. It is the same on Dr. Rind's site, but his is more expensive. You also might want to read Dr. 's book " adrenal fatigue the 21st century stress syndrome. " I found the supplement here yourwaytowellness.com as they have free shipping and it was cheaper than Dr. 's site. It has helped stabilize my temps and you don't have any side effects like possible weight gain from taking hydrocortisone or Isocort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How does one make the determination about which is right for them when > > > > salivary results indicate a need for this level of support? > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 as I understand it, this is also a glandular. it has adrenal cortex in it and also adrenal, hypothalamus, pituitary and gonad concentrates. but it does not have adrenal medulla in it, which makes adrenaline. but how does one switch from HC to glandulars? Slowly weaning compeletely off HC and starting glandulars or overlapping and replacing one with the other? Susa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How does one make the determination about which is right for them when > > > > > salivary results indicate a need for this level of support? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 There are no hormones in this product. They are taken out of it and it clearly states so on the bottle. It is the cell extracts from these glands, to reiterate, without the hormones. If you want to know more look on Dr. 's website adrenalfatigue.org Laurie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How does one make the determination about which is right for them when > > > > > > salivary results indicate a need for this level of support? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 Hi Laurie, I’m taking one capsule daily of Raw Adrenal by Natural Sources and two Isocort (which my doctor suggested I take in the morning). Would they work in a similar way? My temps also were dropping from iodine, but they seem to be improving now. I’m on a lower dosage of iodine. I was taking quite a bit before. My previous cycle was also more normal. Lori Re: Adrenal glandular vs HC There are no hormones in this product. They are taken out of it and it clearly states so on the bottle. It is the cell extracts from these glands, to reiterate, without the hormones. If you want to know more look on Dr. 's website adrenalfatigue.org Laurie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How does one make the determination about which is right for them when > > > > > > salivary results indicate a need for this level of support? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 Hi, Lori: If you are taking that much adrenal support, I think Dr. 's adrenal rebuilder might be too much for you. This product is usually taken in place of prescription meds or glandulars that contain hormones. Dr. 's believes this product can help heal adrenals along with diet and lifestyle changes and only people with severe adrenal fatigue might need to take a prescription. Again, you might want to check out his website to decide for yourself or ask them on the " contact us " page. Laurie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How does one make the determination about which is right for > them when > > > > > > > salivary results indicate a need for this level of support? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 I'll weigh in on this....I tested the lowest on my saliva test and worked with a naturopath to raise it up naturally with adrenal glandulars , diet modifications, and other supps. I am actually glad I did not do HC (even though at the time I wanted it in the worst way possible) as it would have made my candida problem even more problematic. My adrenals became exhausted from stress, antibiotics, infections, detal work gone ary and some poor lifestyle choices (lower quality food).....changing my life was not easy, but it has given me a new life.Joan If you are taking that much adrenal support, I think Dr. 's adrenal rebuilder might be too much for you. This product is usually taken in place of prescription meds or glandulars that contain hormones. Dr. 's believes this product can help heal adrenals along with diet and lifestyle changes and only people with severe adrenal fatigue might need to take a prescription. Again, you might want to check out his website to decide for yourself or ask them on the "contact us" page. Laurie > I'm taking one capsule daily of Raw Adrenal by Natural Sources and two > Isocort (which my doctor suggested I take in the morning). Would they work > in a similar way? My temps also were dropping from iodine, but they seem > to be improving now. I'm on a lower dosage of iodine. I was taking quite a > bit before. My previous cycle was also more normal. > > Lori > > > > There are no hormones in this product. They are taken out of it and it > clearly states so on the bottle. It is the cell extracts from these glands, > to reiterate, without the hormones. If you want to know more look on Dr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 - I am sorry to hear about your father. My question is that with adrenal glandulars, do they give someone that additional " umph " in regards to the aldosterone, etc? I started back on the HC due to not handling stress very well right now and am debating adding in the glandular because I was off HC and feel I wouldn't be back on it if I had used supportive products with the HC to begin with... Including Lugols. Thanks- lori > > > > > > > > > > > How does one make the determination about which is right for them when > > > salivary results indicate a need for this level of support? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 I was on HC for about 6 months and then switched to Isocort because I was having such bad low aldosterone and I didn't want to add in Florinef and K-Dur. I feel better on Isocort but I feel like I did probably need those months on HC because my adrenal fatigue was so bad I was nearly bed ridden. But since being on HC and Isocort I can take care of my family and have a semi-active life. How bad is your adrenal fatigue? On my 4x saliva labs I was low and out of range on all the times but the morning cortisol reading, and it was in the middle of the range. How terrible do you feel? You could always start with Isocort and then switch to HC if it does not help enough. Or I know some people who use both together. What are your lab results? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 hi, some say that HC is ok in physiological doses up to 40mg, some say even s normally take only 25-30mg a day. and that both HC and glandulars atrophy your adrenal gland if used too long, and it may never recover. then you're stuck with meds forever... Scary, and I don't know what to believe but I'm trying to get off my HC slowly and hope that iodine, vitamins and herbals will keep my adrenals working. Susa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How does one make the determination about which is right for them when > > > > salivary results indicate a need for this level of support? > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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