Re: high doses of vitamin B

March 25, 2011

this makes perfect sense.

I was advised on another forum that especially me on HC now, B5 and HC are

counteracting each other and I should leave out B5, I was taking Solgar's 500mg.

Now I only take B-complex with smaller amounts

and I actually sleep through the night.

I could not put these to together until now.

Susa

>

> For those that are feeling heart palpitations and/or are suffering from

insomnia, and are taking B5, in particular, beware.

>

> Unbeknownst to me, I bought 500mg B5 AND a B complex with high doses of B5 in

it as well.

>

> In reading up further on B5, it appears we're hardly ever deficient in it and

if we supplement with it, it shouldn't be any more than 5mg. That's right...5.

The data says, if you take high doses you'll have heart palps and insomnia!

>

> So, before blaming iodine, look at the b's you're taking and see if that could

be the culprit.

>

> If anyone here has further or differing info on this, I'm all ears!

>

March 25, 2011

If you have low cortisol or adrenal fatigue B5 is recommended in higher doses

because it encourages cortisol production. Diagnos Techs saliva lab recommends

500 mg for low cortisol issues as does Dr. Lam :

" 900 to 1,500 mg of Vitamin B5 (panthothenic acid) as most hormone production in

the adrenal gland needs the co-enzyme A / pantethine, a by-product of Vitamin

B5, to be produced. "

http://www.drlam.com/articles/adrenal_fatigue.asp?page=3#11

Dianne

>

> For those that are feeling heart palpitations and/or are suffering from

insomnia, and are taking B5, in particular, beware.

>

> Unbeknownst to me, I bought 500mg B5 AND a B complex with high doses of B5 in

it as well.

>

> In reading up further on B5, it appears we're hardly ever deficient in it and

if we supplement with it, it shouldn't be any more than 5mg. That's right...5.

The data says, if you take high doses you'll have heart palps and insomnia!

>

> So, before blaming iodine, look at the b's you're taking and see if that could

be the culprit.

>

> If anyone here has further or differing info on this, I'm all ears!

>

March 25, 2011

I can tell you when I was taking the B5 I felt like I was coming out of my skin.

I would definitely say my adrenals are taxed but I don't think I'm in adrenal

fatigue. I don't have my last numbers in front of me.

> >

> > For those that are feeling heart palpitations and/or are suffering from

insomnia, and are taking B5, in particular, beware.

> >

> > Unbeknownst to me, I bought 500mg B5 AND a B complex with high doses of B5

in it as well.

> >

> > In reading up further on B5, it appears we're hardly ever deficient in it

and if we supplement with it, it shouldn't be any more than 5mg. That's

right...5. The data says, if you take high doses you'll have heart palps and

insomnia!

> >

> > So, before blaming iodine, look at the b's you're taking and see if that

could be the culprit.

> >

> > If anyone here has further or differing info on this, I'm all ears!

> >

>

March 25, 2011

FWIW, I've been taking B5 for a week now, 500 mg/day and don't feel a thing. But that's just me andI do have low cortisol.ArielOn Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:09 PM, spacejunkie2001us <scastor@...> wrote:

I can tell you when I was taking the B5 I felt like I was coming out of my skin. I would definitely say my adrenals are taxed but I don't think I'm in adrenal fatigue. I don't have my last numbers in front of me.

> >

> > For those that are feeling heart palpitations and/or are suffering from insomnia, and are taking B5, in particular, beware.

> >

> > Unbeknownst to me, I bought 500mg B5 AND a B complex with high doses of B5 in it as well.

> >

> > In reading up further on B5, it appears we're hardly ever deficient in it and if we supplement with it, it shouldn't be any more than 5mg. That's right...5. The data says, if you take high doses you'll have heart palps and insomnia!

> >

> > So, before blaming iodine, look at the b's you're taking and see if that could be the culprit.

> >

> > If anyone here has further or differing info on this, I'm all ears!

> >

>

-- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue

March 25, 2011

I see this a lot " I'm not in adrenal fatigue " .Firstly its important to

understand there are 2 stages to adrenal fatigue, the first stage with excessive

cortisol and adrenaline production, which eventually, after many years, leads to

the second stage, kind of a 'breakdown' with low cortisol production.

However, even with saliva tests, the 'standards' or 'normal' levels are based on

averages of people in 'civilised' society. Basically, we ALL OF US, living in

'modern, civilised' society are subjecting ourselves to constant levels of

stress, or 'challenges' far in excess of what our bodies evolved to deal with.

We are ALL 'adrenally fatigued'.

Adrenal fatigue is about much more than the adrenals, and to think of it as a 2

stage process is simplistic.The point I'm making is don't kid yourself.Unless

you are an african bushman, living in the Serengeti Desrt, you ARE 'adrenally

fatigued'. First step; define the problem.Jim

> > >

> > > For those that are feeling heart palpitations and/or are suffering from

insomnia, and are taking B5, in particular, beware.

> > >

> > > Unbeknownst to me, I bought 500mg B5 AND a B complex with high doses of B5

in it as well.

> > >

> > > In reading up further on B5, it appears we're hardly ever deficient in it

and if we supplement with it, it shouldn't be any more than 5mg. That's

right...5. The data says, if you take high doses you'll have heart palps and

insomnia!

> > >

> > > So, before blaming iodine, look at the b's you're taking and see if that

could be the culprit.

> > >

> > > If anyone here has further or differing info on this, I'm all ears!

> > >

> >

>

March 25, 2011

I have taken B5 (600mg) daily for 5 years with very good results. I take 100mg in the am that is in my B Complex, and 500 mg at dinner. Kathleen

Re: Re: high doses of vitamin B

FWIW, I've been taking B5 for a week now, 500 mg/day and don't feel a thing. But that's just me andI do have low cortisol.Ariel

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:09 PM, spacejunkie2001us <scastor@...> wrote:

I can tell you when I was taking the B5 I felt like I was coming out of my skin. I would definitely say my adrenals are taxed but I don't think I'm in adrenal fatigue. I don't have my last numbers in front of me.

> >> > For those that are feeling heart palpitations and/or are suffering from insomnia, and are taking B5, in particular, beware.> > > > Unbeknownst to me, I bought 500mg B5 AND a B complex with high doses of B5 in it as well.> > > > In reading up further on B5, it appears we're hardly ever deficient in it and if we supplement with it, it shouldn't be any more than 5mg. That's right...5. The data says, if you take high doses you'll have heart palps and insomnia!> > > > So, before blaming iodine, look at the b's you're taking and see if that could be the culprit.> > > > If anyone here has further or differing info on this, I'm all ears!> > > > > > > >>

-- "Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring."-Tom Donohue

March 25, 2011

Hi Kathleen

So b5 does not give insomnia when taken at dinner? Do you know if b6 or biotin taken at dinner will give insomnia or not?

thanks

nIl

Re: Re: high doses of vitamin B

FWIW,

March 25, 2011

Can anyone recommend a brand of B vitamins that doesn't smell? Every one I have ever tried (B complex) smells bad to me, which seems to translate to making me nauseous ... Jaxi

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Kathleen Blake <kathleenblake@...> wrote:

I have taken B5 (600mg) daily for 5 years with very good results. I take 100mg in the am that is in my B Complex, and 500 mg at dinner. Kathleen

Re: Re: high doses of vitamin B

FWIW, I've been taking B5 for a week now, 500 mg/day and don't feel a thing. But that's just me andI do have low cortisol.Ariel

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:09 PM, spacejunkie2001us <scastor@...> wrote:

I can tell you when I was taking the B5 I felt like I was coming out of my skin. I would definitely say my adrenals are taxed but I don't think I'm in adrenal fatigue. I don't have my last numbers in front of me.

> >> > For those that are feeling heart palpitations and/or are suffering from insomnia, and are taking B5, in particular, beware.> > > > Unbeknownst to me, I bought 500mg B5 AND a B complex with high doses of B5 in it as well.> > > > In reading up further on B5, it appears we're hardly ever deficient in it and if we supplement with it, it shouldn't be any more than 5mg. That's right...5. The data says, if you take high doses you'll have heart palps and insomnia!> > > > So, before blaming iodine, look at the b's you're taking and see if that could be the culprit.> > > > If anyone here has further or differing info on this, I'm all ears!> > > > > > > >>

-- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue

March 25, 2011

How did you know I was an African bushman??? LOL

There is no doubt that I have issues with my adrenal gland. I am willing to

learn what I can do to stave off fatigue if I'm not there or bring myself back

if I am. In reading about AF though, I don't fit the criteria....yet anyway.

> > > >

> > > > For those that are feeling heart palpitations and/or are suffering from

insomnia, and are taking B5, in particular, beware.

> > > >

> > > > Unbeknownst to me, I bought 500mg B5 AND a B complex with high doses of

B5 in it as well.

> > > >

> > > > In reading up further on B5, it appears we're hardly ever deficient in

it and if we supplement with it, it shouldn't be any more than 5mg. That's

right...5. The data says, if you take high doses you'll have heart palps and

insomnia!

> > > >

> > > > So, before blaming iodine, look at the b's you're taking and see if that

could be the culprit.

> > > >

> > > > If anyone here has further or differing info on this, I'm all ears!

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 25, 2011

I take 500mg 3 times a day and have been able to wean off of HC after having taken it for years. Cherwyn

March 25, 2011

Thanks. Great news! Is there a need to take other b vitamins together with it?If yes could you give an idea on what else to take and the amounts?

thanks

nil

Re: high doses of vitamin B

I take 500mg 3 times a day and have been able to wean off of HC after having taken it for years.

Cherwyn

March 25, 2011

I don’t know about those Nil. But I do know B vitamins give one energy, so if one has trouble with insomnia I would guess its best to take them in the morning. I take the extra B5 to help my adrenals. Kathleen

Re: Re: high doses of vitamin B

FWIW,

March 25, 2011

Jaxi, Check out Jarrow Formulas B-Right.

For food based intake perhaps consider Nutritional Yeast Flakes which would not

supply a huge amount of B vitamins but perhaps will provide them in a form that

is very bioavailable.

I have also read that a deficiency of B12 predisposes one to nausea. B12 as

sublingual methylcobalamin is the preferred form.

I've been percolating on a possible correlation between having MTHFR mutation

and nausea when taking a B Complex ... and when folks who have this mutation use

5-MTHF instead of folate or folic acid ... does the nausea go away or reduce

significantly when they then add the B Complex.

This came to my attention because I know several people who do not tolerate B

Complex vitamins very well and with each of them I have suspected a MTHFR

mutation and a few have tested and found that they were either heterozygous or

homozygous. But keep in mind that it is all just speculation for me at the

moment.

> >> > >

> >> > > For those that are feeling heart palpitations and/or are suffering

> >> from insomnia, and are taking B5, in particular, beware.

> >> > >

> >> > > Unbeknownst to me, I bought 500mg B5 AND a B complex with high doses

> >> of B5 in it as well.

> >> > >

> >> > > In reading up further on B5, it appears we're hardly ever deficient in

> >> it and if we supplement with it, it shouldn't be any more than 5mg. That's

> >> right...5. The data says, if you take high doses you'll have heart palps

and

> >> insomnia!

> >> > >

> >> > > So, before blaming iodine, look at the b's you're taking and see if

> >> that could be the culprit.

> >> > >

> >> > > If anyone here has further or differing info on this, I'm all ears!

> >> > >

> >> >

> >>

> >

> > --

> > * " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " *

> > -*Tom Donohue*

> >

>

March 25, 2011

Thanks Kathleen

Nil

Re: Re: high doses of vitamin B

I don’t know about those Nil. But I do know B vitamins give one energy, so if one has trouble with insomnia I would guess its best to take them in the morning. I take the extra B5 to help my adrenals. Kathleen

----- Original Message -----

From: nil

iodine

March 25, 2011

Thank you this is useful. I had not considered B12 deficiency as a potential issue yet I am now reading my ulcerative colitis likely has impacted my ability to absorb B12. The Jarrow Formulation has received great ratings and many have commented it does not cause nausea unlike others they have tried, and does not smell. I am very sensitive to scent and can barely take the one I have now because I cannot get past the smell. I only manage to take it a few days a week right now due to the nausea issues.

I really don't know anything about the MTHF mutation and no idea if I might have it.JaxiOn Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:38 PM, baxrox <baxrox@...> wrote:

Jaxi, Check out Jarrow Formulas B-Right.

For food based intake perhaps consider Nutritional Yeast Flakes which would not supply a huge amount of B vitamins but perhaps will provide them in a form that is very bioavailable.

I have also read that a deficiency of B12 predisposes one to nausea. B12 as sublingual methylcobalamin is the preferred form.

I've been percolating on a possible correlation between having MTHFR mutation and nausea when taking a B Complex ... and when folks who have this mutation use 5-MTHF instead of folate or folic acid ... does the nausea go away or reduce significantly when they then add the B Complex.

This came to my attention because I know several people who do not tolerate B Complex vitamins very well and with each of them I have suspected a MTHFR mutation and a few have tested and found that they were either heterozygous or homozygous. But keep in mind that it is all just speculation for me at the moment.

> >> > >

> >> > > For those that are feeling heart palpitations and/or are suffering

> >> from insomnia, and are taking B5, in particular, beware.

> >> > >

> >> > > Unbeknownst to me, I bought 500mg B5 AND a B complex with high doses

> >> of B5 in it as well.

> >> > >

> >> > > In reading up further on B5, it appears we're hardly ever deficient in

> >> it and if we supplement with it, it shouldn't be any more than 5mg. That's

> >> right...5. The data says, if you take high doses you'll have heart palps and

> >> insomnia!

> >> > >

> >> > > So, before blaming iodine, look at the b's you're taking and see if

> >> that could be the culprit.

> >> > >

> >> > > If anyone here has further or differing info on this, I'm all ears!

> >> > >

> >> >

> >>

> >

> > --

> > * " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " *

> > -*Tom Donohue*

> >

>

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March 26, 2011

You have to be careful with Vit B6 as it can be stimulating for some people.

>

> Hi Kathleen

>

> So b5 does not give insomnia when taken at dinner? Do you know if b6 or biotin

taken at dinner will give insomnia or not?

> thanks

> nIl

> Re: Re: high doses of vitamin B

>

> FWIW,

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