How to test 7 year old for iodine load and thryoid?

January 9, 2011

Hi,

We have a 7 year old that's had BO since age 4. She just turned 7 in Dec. Now

my wife says she sees pubic hair when she's helping her shower. After all the

reading I've done, and asking the doctors, I believe it's either genetics,

hormones from dairy, and meats, or soy. There is some female masculine features

on both sides of our families. We've switched to raw organic dairy and grass

fed beef about 1.5 years ago, however we haven't switched the rest of our dairy,

chicken, or turkey,and we don't eat pork. And we've cut out a lot of the soy,

but not entirely, it's almost impossible. To change the rest of our meats and

soy is going to cost a fortune for us. Our doctor said it could be hypothyroid,

and I've read that, but the conventional medical field really doesn't have an

explanation. In other words it's probably one of the 3 I mentioned, with

hormones and soy being dangerous no matter what. I'd like to get her thyroid

tested with the free T's, and test her iodine load, but our doctor says he's

never done that, and doesn't know the scale to measure her thyroid, so he

recommended us to an endocrinologist, which wants to run the gammet of tests,

which is going to cost us a fortune with our HSA. I've read about so many

parents that went that route and have the same answers I mentioned above. I

have the testing laboratories listed here on the site. Do I just test her

normally like I would myself? Has anyone here done this with kids this young?

Chris

January 9, 2011

Have you read about Xenoestrogens from hot water in plastic bottles and from cooking in microwaves in plastic and plastic in the cans and other food containers we use. Seems like she may have had too much estrogen exposure as this early development is often linked to estrogen exposure that is fed to meat..Soy can play a part in this and possibly corn syrup. Changing the sources of her fat like butter would be important as those would concentrate in there.

I wonder if calcium -d-glucarate and DIM and TMG or DMG would help her and a liver flush like metagenics ultraclear Ph and their advaclear capsules taken after a dinner and just water after the shake at 5 pm done for several weeks cut my enzymes in half so much healthier. Places like vitacost and beyond-a-century and metagenics both sell these online. Liver processes excess if it is healthy enough. These are all things I have been doing on myself for past couple of years to heal too much estrogen. Pam

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Routh <crouth1@...> wrote:

Hi,

We have a 7 year old that's had BO since age 4. She just turned 7 in Dec. Now my wife says she sees pubic hair when she's helping her shower. After all the reading I've done, and asking the doctors, I believe it's either genetics, hormones from dairy, and meats, or soy. There is some female masculine features on both sides of our families. We've switched to raw organic dairy and grass fed beef about 1.5 years ago, however we haven't switched the rest of our dairy, chicken, or turkey,and we don't eat pork. And we've cut out a lot of the soy, but not entirely, it's almost impossible. To change the rest of our meats and soy is going to cost a fortune for us. Our doctor said it could be hypothyroid, and I've read that, but the conventional medical field really doesn't have an explanation. In other words it's probably one of the 3 I mentioned, with hormones and soy being dangerous no matter what. I'd like to get her thyroid tested with the free T's, and test her iodine load, but our doctor says he's never done that, and doesn't know the scale to measure her thyroid, so he recommended us to an endocrinologist, which wants to run the gammet of tests, which is going to cost us a fortune with our HSA. I've read about so many parents that went that route and have the same answers I mentioned above. I have the testing laboratories listed here on the site. Do I just test her normally like I would myself? Has anyone here done this with kids this young? Chris

January 9, 2011

This is not an easy situation and as Pamela pointed out estrogens come from many places from soy to meats to plastic materials. We are in a toxic soup and these poor kids are taking the brundt of it all.

I too wonder if Ca-D-Glucorate would help. I have not encountered a child that took it.

I found this on herbal solutions for precocious puberty

http://www.hnmrc.net/pd-880636362.html

Here is an interesting discussion http://www.healthyawareness.com/articles/about-autism/hypothyroidism-and-precocious-puberty.aspx

As for checking your daughter for hypothyroidism. I am the mom of two children who are hypothyroid. They were diagnosed at ages 4 & 7 yrs. They are now 8 & 11 yrs. They have been on Armour now Nature-throid since 2007. They are doing well and developing normally. They were struggling before. This is what I did to dx them.

Take basal temps - under arm before rising in the morning. It should be 97.8 or higher. My daughter (4 yrs then) was 96.1 and my son (7 yrs then) was 95.7. I took them to my doctor and he ran labs. TSH, Free T3, Free T4, Iron, Ferritin, B12 Both children came back low in the ranges.

If you are having issues getting someone to order labs for you and it is quite costly, you can do it on your own - provided you are not in NY or CA. Basic thyroid panel of TSH, FT3 & FT4 is $85 http://www.healthcheckusa.com/lab_tests/Thyroid_Screenings/STTM_Basic_Thyroid_Function

Iron Panel

http://www.healthcheckusa.com/lab_tests/Hemochromatosis/Iron_Panel

B12 / Folate

http://www.healthcheckusa.com/lab_tests/Nutrition_Assessment_Lab_Tests/Vitamin_B12_with_Folate_Blood_Tests

Hypothyroid individuals are commonly low in iron/ferritin and B12.

These are run through one of your local labs and you can then find out if there is an issue w/o a doctor.

Iodine loading tests can be done on a 7 yr old. You just take 25 mgs instead of the 50 mg tablet On the lab slip just note a reduced intake. They can be ordered from www.hakalalabs.com 24 hour Iodine Loading with Bromide levels is what I would recommend.

Hope that helps!

Re: How to test 7 year old for iodine load and thryoid?

Have you read about Xenoestrogens from hot water in plastic bottles and from cooking in microwaves in plastic and plastic in the cans and other food containers we use. Seems like she may have had too much estrogen exposure as this early development is often linked to estrogen exposure that is fed to meat..Soy can play a part in this and possibly corn syrup. Changing the sources of her fat like butter would be important as those would concentrate in there.

I wonder if calcium -d-glucarate and DIM and TMG or DMG would help her and a liver flush like metagenics ultraclear Ph and their advaclear capsules taken after a dinner and just water after the shake at 5 pm done for several weeks cut my enzymes in half so much healthier. Places like vitacost and beyond-a-century and metagenics both sell these online. Liver processes excess if it is healthy enough. These are all things I have been doing on myself for past couple of years to heal too much estrogen. Pam

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Routh <crouth1@...> wrote:

Hi,We have a 7 year old that's had BO since age 4. She just turned 7 in Dec. Now my wife says she sees pubic hair when she's helping her shower. After all the reading I've done, and asking the doctors, I believe it's either genetics, hormones from dairy, and meats, or soy. There is some female masculine features on both sides of our families. We've switched to raw organic dairy and grass fed beef about 1.5 years ago, however we haven't switched the rest of our dairy, chicken, or turkey,and we don't eat pork. And we've cut out a lot of the soy, but not entirely, it's almost impossible. To change the rest of our meats and soy is going to cost a fortune for us. Our doctor said it could be hypothyroid, and I've read that, but the conventional medical field really doesn't have an explanation. In other words it's probably one of the 3 I mentioned, with hormones and soy being dangerous no matter what. I'd like to get her thyroid tested with the free T's, and test her iodine load, but our doctor says he's never done that, and doesn't know the scale to measure her thyroid, so he recommended us to an endocrinologist, which wants to run the gammet of tests, which is going to cost us a fortune with our HSA. I've read about so many parents that went that route and have the same answers I mentioned above. I have the testing laboratories listed here on the site. Do I just test her normally like I would myself? Has anyone here done this with kids this young? Chris

January 9, 2011

Steph and Pam, First off, this is going OT here, so I don't want this to go too

far. I have used Dr.Rind's charts for myself, and I am going to use that for

her before I do any testing. I forgot to mention that on the post. I was amazed

at how many kids her age are starting puberty. I forgot to mention she has had

no vaccines, and only whole food multivitamins, but like I said we didn't change

our food until recently, and we've only changed about 30% of our food, but it's

about 60% of what we eat, and we are in the process of incorporating some of

Mercola's nutritional typing plan. She is only a little bit overweight, and

hasn't had any other physical problem at all except few colds. She's always

been healthy and full of energy and such. Our 5 year old daughter has none of

the early puberty issues, she is as normal and optimally healthy as there

probably is. My wife and I both have worked from home since the oldest was

born, so we cook at home, and we only eat out maybe 2-3/month.

Ok, you gals had some very good points, and while me and my wife were thinking

about how to reply, we became overwhelmed with the thought of all the plastics.

We were already overwhelmed with all the other all natural stuff we've changed

over the last 7 years or so. The first hot liquid in plastic bottles was that

Madelynne didn't breast feed well, because my wife had the flu at the same time

she was in labor, and 3 days after, so breastfeeding didn't work. We had to

supplement with formula, but within a week, Sherri(wife) was breastpumping, and

we then warmed that breastmilk up in a baby(plastic) bottle in a bottle warmer

using warm water, but no microwave ever. So she did get breast milk for 1.5

years. The second thing that came to mind is both of our girls used to drink

out of a tupperware glass, you know in case they dropped it. They drink a lot

of filtered water which does filter out all the bad stuff, and we've done this

since before they were born, and I've tested the filters to make sure they do

what they say they are doing. They've been drinking out of glass for a couple

of years. They used to eat on tupperware plates as well. The third thing that

came to mind, is when we rinse with our mouthwash after brushing, we use those

disposable little cups, and we use warm water, but it's not in there very long.

We store a lot of leftover food in plastic containers, and we use the Vacuum

Saver containers and bags, as we never throw away any food, but we never put it

in any plastic hot/warm. We've never reheated food in plastic, but use

glass/corningware. We now no longer have a microwave. The last thing that

comes to mind is cooking in toxic non-stick pans. We recently changed those to

Extrema ceramic pans. I think this is too much plastic, but do you really think

this could cause this much problems? I have my doubts.

We only changed our milk to raw grass fed about 1.5 years ago, as we thought

this might be the source of Madelynne's problems, plus pasteurized milk gives me

real bad heartburn. I grew up on a dairy farm, and only drank the raw stuff.

However we didn't change any other dairy products, and her butter has been the

fake stuff until recently when we changed to normal butter. I've already

discussed the other meats, and we've had these before the girls were born.

We've ate our own beef from the farm, and now purchase grass fed from a local

farm. Recently we also changed our soy products as well.

But this problem has been around for almost 2.5 years. The only differences

between the two girls would be the breastmilk being in a bottle with the 7 year

old, and the 5 year old breastfed for 2 years, but no bottle, and of course

whatever genetic differences they have. This leads me to believe that maybe she

does just need a good estrogen/hormonal detox, with the calcium d glutarate,

which I understand, and would probably use a low Mg/dose/for a short time. I

think the DIM can help, but how long, and how much to give her? What is the TMG

or DMG going to do exactly, I didn't find where it relates? How much/long on

TMG or DMG? We actually just did our first thorough cleanse that we've ever

done which included a 30 day colon cleanse, at the same time a parasite cleanse,

then a total body cleanse/liver cleanse. We used a lot of Renew Life products,

and some very high recommended stuff on Vitacot, Mag 07 being one of them. So

maybe the problem was with the baby bottles, and unhealthy foods at that time,

as well as plastics at that time. But the last 4-5 years of her 7 years we've

changed a lot, especially the last 2 of those years. So I think the way forward

would be with the calcium/dim/dmg cleanse and see what happens for a couple of

months. We'll know because her body odor will improve, and her acne will

improve. Yes I forgot to mention that she's had acne for the past 4 months, but

not bad at all, compared to how bad I/my mom's side has had it.

Well sorry so long, but your info was the best I've seen. I've done a lot of

reading, and had not encountered those supplements. Thanks again!

and Sherri Routh

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> Hi,

> We have a 7 year old that's had BO since age 4. She just turned 7 in Dec.

Now my wife says she sees pubic hair when she's helping her shower. After all

the reading I've done, and asking the doctors, I believe it's either genetics,

hormones from dairy, and meats, or soy. There is some female masculine features

on both sides of our families. We've switched to raw organic dairy and grass fed

beef about 1.5 years ago, however we haven't switched the rest of our dairy,