Re: iodine /vegans/ vegetarians

[Guest guest]

It could be that vegetarians eat at the bottom of the food chain. When

you eat an animal, you're getting more concentrated nutrients from all

the plants they've eaten.

So eating nothing but plant foods from depleted soil and not taking

supplements and especially not using salt, most are deficient.

At least, that is my theory! (c8

coloredoctave wrote:

>

> Dr. Brownstein writes that vegans and vegetarian have a high iodine

> deficiency but he doesn't say why. Dr. Vickery, DDS talks about how

> one must get their protein levels up before taking iodine but he also

> doesn't elaborate. It might be an observation that has no scientific

> backing, yet?

>

> http://www.vickeryseaplantminerals.com/IodineandtheHalogenRevolution.html

> <http://www.vickeryseaplantminerals.com/IodineandtheHalogenRevolution.html>

>

> Can anyone shed light on this?

>

> Thanks,

> Joan

>

>

[Guest guest]

Joan " ...Dr. Vickery, DDS talks about how one must get their protein levels

up before taking iodine but he also doesn't elaborate. It might be an

observation that has no scientific backing, yet? "

Nice find and an interesting article. I see the protein part, perhaps better

put as amino acid deficiency?

The thyroid needs certain ones, as an example I posted some time back:

" The use of Tyrosine (Forte) as a Dietary Supplement raises the production

of

Thyroid Hormones in the body. These in turn increase the Rate of Metabolism

which raises the Body Temperature back to normal levels of 98.0°F to 98.4°F.

The effect of Tyrosine can be determined by monitoring your Basal Body

Temperature, as per the procedure given in my earlier Circular to you.

When Tyrosine raises the Body Temperature, it infers that your Body is not

able to manufacture adequate quantities of it along with other Amino Acids.

The reason can be that, in these days of " Enlightened Eating Habits " (pun

intended) you have reduced your calorie intake to such low levels that you

inadvertently landed up in a state of Protein Deficiency creating a

Nutritional Imbalance in your Body. "

http://www.space-age.com/hypothyroidism.html

I take this as protein deficiency resulting in amino acid - tyrosine

deficiency. So one would not supplement the one, but all via diet...

Taking the one would result in an imballance.

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: coloredoctave

Dr. Brownstein writes that vegans and vegetarian have a high iodine

deficiency but he doesn't say why. Dr. Vickery, DDS talks about how one must

get their protein levels up before taking iodine but he also doesn't

elaborate. It might be an observation that has no scientific backing, yet?

http://www.vickeryseaplantminerals.com/IodineandtheHalogenRevolution.html

Can anyone shed light on this?

Thanks,

Joan

[Guest guest]

Vegans and vegetarians have to rely on goitrogenic legumes for their protein

sources...that is a big problem..

Linsey

On Feb 18, 2010, at 1:15 PM, Piwowarski wrote:

> It could be that vegetarians eat at the bottom of the food chain. When

> you eat an animal, you're getting more concentrated nutrients from all

> the plants they've eaten.

>

> So eating nothing but plant foods from depleted soil and not taking

> supplements and especially not using salt, most are deficient.

>

> At least, that is my theory! (c8

>

> coloredoctave wrote:

>>

>> Dr. Brownstein writes that vegans and vegetarian have a high iodine

>> deficiency but he doesn't say why. Dr. Vickery, DDS talks about how

>> one must get their protein levels up before taking iodine but he also

>> doesn't elaborate. It might be an observation that has no scientific

>> backing, yet?

>>

>> http://www.vickeryseaplantminerals.com/IodineandtheHalogenRevolution.html

>> <http://www.vickeryseaplantminerals.com/IodineandtheHalogenRevolution.html>

>>

>> Can anyone shed light on this?

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Joan

>>

[Guest guest]

Low levels of herbicides also interfere with the production of tyrosine in the

body. In Europe, there is a genetic syndrome where the body produces too much

tyrosine, and so the preferred method of treatment there is to go into a

hospital for an IV herbicide drip. Herbicides coming into our bodies as food

residues in low levels, below the body's detection levels to initiate the detox,

allows those toxins to build up to such an extent that compromise happens.

Linsey

On Feb 18, 2010, at 1:15 PM, Bruce P wrote:

> Joan " ...Dr. Vickery, DDS talks about how one must get their protein levels

> up before taking iodine but he also doesn't elaborate. It might be an

> observation that has no scientific backing, yet? "

>

>

> Nice find and an interesting article. I see the protein part, perhaps better

> put as amino acid deficiency?

> The thyroid needs certain ones, as an example I posted some time back:

>

> " The use of Tyrosine (Forte) as a Dietary Supplement raises the production

> of

> Thyroid Hormones in the body. These in turn increase the Rate of Metabolism

> which raises the Body Temperature back to normal levels of 98.0°F to 98.4°F.

>

> The effect of Tyrosine can be determined by monitoring your Basal Body

> Temperature, as per the procedure given in my earlier Circular to you.

>

> When Tyrosine raises the Body Temperature, it infers that your Body is not

> able to manufacture adequate quantities of it along with other Amino Acids.

> The reason can be that, in these days of " Enlightened Eating Habits " (pun

> intended) you have reduced your calorie intake to such low levels that you

> inadvertently landed up in a state of Protein Deficiency creating a

> Nutritional Imbalance in your Body. "

> http://www.space-age.com/hypothyroidism.html

>

> I take this as protein deficiency resulting in amino acid - tyrosine

> deficiency. So one would not supplement the one, but all via diet...

> Taking the one would result in an imballance.

> Bruce

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: coloredoctave

>

>

> Dr. Brownstein writes that vegans and vegetarian have a high iodine

> deficiency but he doesn't say why.

[Guest guest]

I learn from Norwan 's book what is missing in your body? Juicing:

If one eats enough green veggies, one should have enough protein as we can get the complete set of amino acids from green veggeis.

jen ->> >> Dr. Brownstein writes that vegans and vegetarian have a high iodine >> deficiency but he doesn't say why. Dr. Vickery, DDS talks about how >> one must get their protein levels up before taking iodine but he also >> doesn't elaborate. It might be an observation that has no scientific

>> backing, yet?>> >> http://www.vickerys eaplantminerals. com/Iodineandthe HalogenRevolutio n.html >> <http://www.vickerys eaplantminerals. com/Iodineandthe HalogenRevolutio n.html>>> >> Can anyone shed light on this?>> >> Thanks,>> Joan>>

[Guest guest]



Please take this to the OT group.

Steph

Re: iodine /vegans/ vegetarians

I learn from Norwan 's book what is missing in your body? Juicing:

If one eats enough green veggies, one should have enough protein as we can get the complete set of amino acids from green veggeis.

jen ->> >> Dr. Brownstein writes that vegans and vegetarian have a high iodine >> deficiency but he doesn't say why. Dr. Vickery, DDS talks about how >> one must get their protein levels up before taking iodine but he also >> doesn't elaborate. It might be an observation that has no scientific >> backing, yet?>> >> http://www.vickerys eaplantminerals. com/Iodineandthe HalogenRevolutio n.html >> <http://www.vickerys eaplantminerals. com/Iodineandthe HalogenRevolutio n.html>>> >> Can anyone shed light on this?>> >> Thanks,>> Joan>>

[Guest guest]

Why is that a big problem? My understanding is that goitrogenic

properties exist only in the uncooked form of these foods. Am I mistaken

in this?

Pamela

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Biochemist

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:58 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: iodine /vegans/ vegetarians

Vegans and vegetarians have to rely on

goitrogenic legumes for their protein sources...that is a big problem.

[Guest guest]

Sorry, my purpose wasn't to have a conversation about vegans but about protein

and iodine instead. Dr. Brownstein says it in his book but there is no

explanation of why. Maybe, no one knows the answer. I would think that this

would be important for people to understand.

Regards,

Joan

> Please take this to the OT group.

>

> Steph

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Pam,

Those properties are not always cooked out....that is the problem, and we do not

know how to calibrate the individual sensitivities of people....some people can

tolerate some cooked goitrogens but many cannot....and different foods are

different in their goitrogenic properties too...best to avoid them if you have

thyroid compromise already.

Linsey

On Feb 18, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Pamela Vasquez wrote:

>

>

> Why is that a big problem? My understanding is that goitrogenic properties

exist only in the uncooked form of these foods. Am I mistaken in this?

>

> Pamela

>

> From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of

Biochemist

> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:58 PM

> iodine

> Subject: Re: iodine /vegans/ vegetarians

> Vegans and vegetarians have to rely on goitrogenic legumes for their protein

sources...that is a big problem.

>

>

[Guest guest]

But at some point the conversation strays from iodine and that is when it needs to move. They always "morph"

Steph

Re: iodine /vegans/ vegetarians

Sorry, my purpose wasn't to have a conversation about vegans but about protein and iodine instead. Dr. Brownstein says it in his book but there is no explanation of why. Maybe, no one knows the answer. I would think that this would be important for people to understand.Regards,Joan> Please take this to the OT group.> > Steph> >

[Guest guest]

I don't think it is a goitrogen issue but more of a protein one especially if

one is consuming iodine. My vegan friend eats lots of seaweed. I was hoping

for a study or maybe a blog post from Dr. Brownstein? I understand the

relationship protein and cholesterol has to the thyroid and I'm wondering if

iodine is a missing piece.

Joan

> Those properties are not always cooked out....that is the problem, and we do

not know how to calibrate the individual sensitivities of people....some people

can tolerate some cooked goitrogens but many cannot....and different foods are

different in their goitrogenic properties too...best to avoid them if you have

thyroid compromise already.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Joan,

The seaweed is likely a problem....it has been found to be so contaminated with

arsenic and arsenic opposes iodine. Arsenic is likely coming from the

contaminated commercial fertilizers in use since the 1970's when haz wastes were

legalized for addition to fertilizers...that practice still goes on and the

arsenic is washed down the rivers from the farms into the continental shelves

where seaweed grows.

To your good health!

Linsey

On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:27 AM, coloredoctave wrote:

> I don't think it is a goitrogen issue but more of a protein one especially if

one is consuming iodine. My vegan friend eats lots of seaweed. I was hoping

for a study or maybe a blog post from Dr. Brownstein? I understand the

relationship protein and cholesterol has to the thyroid and I'm wondering if

iodine is a missing piece.

>

> Joan

>

>> Those properties are not always cooked out....that is the problem, and we do

not know how to calibrate the individual sensitivities of people....some people

can tolerate some cooked goitrogens but many cannot....and different foods are

different in their goitrogenic properties too...best to avoid them if you have

thyroid compromise already.

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Joan can you tell me what you are specifically looking for. I lost track in this post.

Steph

Re: iodine /vegans/ vegetarians

I don't think it is a goitrogen issue but more of a protein one especially if one is consuming iodine. My vegan friend eats lots of seaweed. I was hoping for a study or maybe a blog post from Dr. Brownstein? I understand the relationship protein and cholesterol has to the thyroid and I'm wondering if iodine is a missing piece.Joan> Those properties are not always cooked out....that is the problem, and we do not know how to calibrate the individual sensitivities of people....some people can tolerate some cooked goitrogens but many cannot....and different foods are different in their goitrogenic properties too...best to avoid them if you have thyroid compromise already.> >