Re: Cure hashimotos?

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I have to say that I totally agree with you . As a matter of fact, I can see someone who is 'healthnut' and has a very clean liver, be affected by the wine because they are totally not used to ingesting it. This is true for me any time I have had to have anesthesia or novacaine, both last forever in my body and I am one of those healthnuts!

Re: Re: Cure hashimotos?

I have to say that I'm not at all convinced that people who are easily intoxicated by a glass of wine or who have low tolerance for caffeine or medications means that their liver is in bad shape. There's a missing link here. People who never or rarely drink are far more susceptible to a glass of wine, and might get quite dizzy after drinking it. In no way does this implicate liver issues. Same with caffeine. And some individuals need less of a given medication and some more, it has to do with individual chemistry, which is actually very wide-ranging. I could see such a test having validity with someone who had been ingesting a substance for a long time, and whose tolerance for the substance changed radically, but it cannot have validity for someone who doesn't indulge/ingest regularly and therefore has no tolerance for it to start with. So I think that's the missing link here.The fact that individual chemistry is so wide-ranging is why no single diet is good for all humans. Diet has to be tailored to the individual.--At 07:42 AM 4/13/2010, you wrote:>I virtually cut out caffeine because it affects my sleep. Just two to >three cups of naturally low caffeine organic tea per day and very >occasionally chocolate. My liver function test was fine.>>On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:33 PM, ido zahavi ><<mailto:zahavi100gmail>zahavi100gmail> wrote:>>>you must see also with coffee.do you get a big push or you can just drink it.>>This means that people who suffer from liver conditions are less likely to >be consumers of coffee, as the consumption of the beverage may lead to >adverse effects.>with medecines you must see if you need the full dose or you have enough >with little bit.>all those are simple test to check the liver.>a good test is quite expensive>>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com>Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2808 - Release Date: 04/13/10 >01:32:00~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

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My father has been abusing his liver for years and is never drunk. He just falls asleep. It's just a question of being in practice! MacG.

From: Kathleen Blake <kathleenblake@...>iodine Sent: Tue, 13 April, 2010 20:36:30Subject: Re: Re: Cure hashimotos?

I have to say that I totally agree with you . As a matter of fact, I can see someone who is 'healthnut' and has a very clean liver, be affected by the wine because they are totally not used to ingesting it. This is true for me any time I have had to have anesthesia or novacaine, both last forever in my body and I am one of those healthnuts!

Re: Re: Cure hashimotos?

I have to say that I'm not at all convinced that people who are easily intoxicated by a glass of wine or who have low tolerance for caffeine or medications means that their liver is in bad shape. There's a missing link here. People who never or rarely drink are far more susceptible to a glass of wine, and might get quite dizzy after drinking it. In no way does this implicate liver issues. Same with caffeine. And some individuals need less of a given medication and some more, it has to do with individual chemistry, which is actually very wide-ranging. I could see such a test having validity with someone who had been ingesting a substance for a long time, and whose tolerance for the substance changed radically, but it cannot have validity for someone who doesn't indulge/ingest regularly and therefore has no tolerance for it to start with. So I think that's the missing link here.The fact that

individual chemistry is so wide-ranging is why no single diet is good for all humans. Diet has to be tailored to the individual.--At 07:42 AM 4/13/2010, you wrote:>I virtually cut out caffeine because it affects my sleep. Just two to >three cups of naturally low caffeine organic tea per day and very >occasionally chocolate. My liver function test was fine.>>On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:33 PM, ido zahavi ><<mailto:zahavi100gmail (DOT) com>zahavi100gmail (DOT) com> wrote:>>>you must see also with coffee.do you get a big push or you can just drink it.>>This means

that people who suffer from liver conditions are less likely to >be consumers of coffee, as the consumption of the beverage may lead to >adverse effects.>with medecines you must see if you need the full dose or you have enough >with little bit.>all those are simple test to check the liver.>a good test is quite expensive>>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com>Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2808 - Release Date: 04/13/10 >01:32:00~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

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It depends on how fast the liver metabolizes the

alcohol, weight, hydration level, food eaten,

physical activity, other drugs or medications in

the system, and etc.

How fast the liver metabolizes alcohol is highly

individual because of all these variables.

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

Baker wrote:

>

>

> I have to say that I'm not at all convinced that people who are easily

> intoxicated by a glass of wine or who have low tolerance for caffeine or

> medications means that their liver is in bad shape. There's a missing link

> here. People who never or rarely drink are far more susceptible to a glass

> of wine, and might get quite dizzy after drinking it. In no way does this

> implicate liver issues. Same with caffeine. And some individuals need

> less of a given medication and some more, it has to do with individual

> chemistry, which is actually very wide-ranging. I could see such a test

> having validity with someone who had been ingesting a substance for a long

> time, and whose tolerance for the substance changed radically, but it

> cannot have validity for someone who doesn't indulge/ingest regularly and

> therefore has no tolerance for it to start with. So I think that's the

> missing link here.

>

> The fact that individual chemistry is so wide-ranging is why no single diet

> is good for all humans. Diet has to be tailored to the individual.

>

> --

>

> At 07:42 AM 4/13/2010, you wrote:

>

> >I virtually cut out caffeine because it affects my sleep. Just two to

> >three cups of naturally low caffeine organic tea per day and very

> >occasionally chocolate. My liver function test was fine.

> >

> >On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:33 PM, ido zahavi

> ><<mailto:zahavi100gmail (DOT) com

> <mailto:zahavi100%40gmail.com>>zahavi100gmail (DOT) com

> <mailto:zahavi100%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> >

> >

> >you must see also with coffee.do you get a big push or you can just

> drink it.

> >

> >This means that people who suffer from liver conditions are less

> likely to

> >be consumers of coffee, as the consumption of the beverage may lead to

> >adverse effects.

> >with medecines you must see if you need the full dose or you have enough

> >with little bit.

> >all those are simple test to check the liver.

> >a good test is quite expensive

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> --A.J. Muste

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>

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Ido-- I totally believe that was the experience with your wife, all I am

saying is that the test only really works if the person develops a reverse

tolerance (suddenly less tolerant) for ingested substances. Someone who

has a clean liver might get drunk on a glass of wine. And the reverse, I

think someone who has a bad liver could very easily not get drunk on a

glass of wine-- that's true for most alcoholics, who all have amazingly

high alcohol tolerances. I just think there are too many variables for

this to be a test that can be depended upon.

--

At 01:21 PM 4/13/2010, you wrote:

>every one that used too much paracitamol ,i think in the us tylnol too

>long get his live destroyed.my wife had to use it daily until we found ldn

>and D-Phenylalanine.

>On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Baker

><<mailto:vbaker@...>vbaker@...> wrote:

>

>

>I have to say that I'm not at all convinced that people who are easily

>intoxicated by a glass of wine or who have low tolerance for caffeine or

>medications means that their liver is in bad shape. There's a missing link

>here. People who never or rarely drink are far more susceptible to a glass

>of wine, and might get quite dizzy after drinking it. In no way does this

>implicate liver issues. Same with caffeine. And some individuals need

>less of a given medication and some more, it has to do with individual

>chemistry, which is actually very wide-ranging. I could see such a test

>having validity with someone who had been ingesting a substance for a long

>time, and whose tolerance for the substance changed radically, but it

>cannot have validity for someone who doesn't indulge/ingest regularly and

>therefore has no tolerance for it to start with. So I think that's the

>missing link here.

>

>The fact that individual chemistry is so wide-ranging is why no single diet

>is good for all humans. Diet has to be tailored to the individual.

>

>--

>

>

>At 07:42 AM 4/13/2010, you wrote:

>

> >I virtually cut out caffeine because it affects my sleep. Just two to

> >three cups of naturally low caffeine organic tea per day and very

> >occasionally chocolate. My liver function test was fine.

> >

> >On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:33 PM, ido zahavi

> ><<mailto:zahavi100@...><mailto:zahavi100%40gmail.com>zahavi100@gmai

> l.com> wrote:

> >

> >

> >you must see also with coffee.do you get a big push or you can just

> drink it.

> >

> >This means that people who suffer from liver conditions are less likely to

> >be consumers of coffee, as the consumption of the beverage may lead to

> >adverse effects.

> >with medecines you must see if you need the full dose or you have enough

> >with little bit.

> >all those are simple test to check the liver.

> >a good test is quite expensive

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >No virus found in this incoming message.

> >Checked by AVG - <http://www.avg.com/>www.avg.com

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> >01:32:00

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>~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

>--A.J. Muste

>

>

>

>

>

>

>No virus found in this incoming message.

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ok then they can pay few hundreds dollars to find how the liver function.to check which phase 1 or 2 does not function well.

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Baker <vbaker@...> wrote:

 

Ido-- I totally believe that was the experience with your wife, all I am saying is that the test only really works if the person develops a reverse tolerance (suddenly less tolerant) for ingested substances. Someone who

has a clean liver might get drunk on a glass of wine. And the reverse, I think someone who has a bad liver could very easily not get drunk on a glass of wine-- that's true for most alcoholics, who all have amazingly

high alcohol tolerances. I just think there are too many variables for this to be a test that can be depended upon.--At 01:21 PM 4/13/2010, you wrote:>every one that used too much paracitamol ,i think in the us tylnol too

>long get his live destroyed.my wife had to use it daily until we found ldn >and D-Phenylalanine.>On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Baker ><<mailto:vbaker@...>vbaker@...> wrote:

>>>I have to say that I'm not at all convinced that people who are easily>intoxicated by a glass of wine or who have low tolerance for caffeine or>medications means that their liver is in bad shape. There's a missing link

>here. People who never or rarely drink are far more susceptible to a glass>of wine, and might get quite dizzy after drinking it. In no way does this>implicate liver issues. Same with caffeine. And some individuals need

>less of a given medication and some more, it has to do with individual>chemistry, which is actually very wide-ranging. I could see such a test>having validity with someone who had been ingesting a substance for a long

>time, and whose tolerance for the substance changed radically, but it>cannot have validity for someone who doesn't indulge/ingest regularly and>therefore has no tolerance for it to start with. So I think that's the

>missing link here.>>The fact that individual chemistry is so wide-ranging is why no single diet>is good for all humans. Diet has to be tailored to the individual.>>-->

>>At 07:42 AM 4/13/2010, you wrote:>> >I virtually cut out caffeine because it affects my sleep. Just two to> >three cups of naturally low caffeine organic tea per day and very> >occasionally chocolate. My liver function test was fine.

> >> >On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:33 PM, ido zahavi> ><<mailto:zahavi100@...><mailto:zahavi100%40gmail.com>zahavi100@gmai

> l.com> wrote:> >> >> >you must see also with coffee.do you get a big push or you can just > drink it.> >> >This means that people who suffer from liver conditions are less likely to

> >be consumers of coffee, as the consumption of the beverage may lead to> >adverse effects.> >with medecines you must see if you need the full dose or you have enough> >with little bit.

> >all those are simple test to check the liver.> >a good test is quite expensive> >> >> >> >> >> >> >No virus found in this incoming message.

> >Checked by AVG - <http://www.avg.com/>www.avg.com> >Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2808 - Release Date: 04/13/10

> >01:32:00>>~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~>--A.J. Muste>>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

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That's great! Can you elaborate? What did the antibody tests look like before

and after iodine? How were you taking it? How long before results? Did you also

change your diet?

>

> Can I optimistically jump in and say me? It's a bit premature, but hey.. j

[Guest guest]

I'm not there yet, just hopeful.. My antibodies are still in the 1000s... I

was being silly, sorry, j

> >

> > Can I optimistically jump in and say me? It's a bit premature, but hey.. j

>

[Guest guest]

We started the iodine first, shortly after eliminated anything with soybean oil, a couple of months later started with a gluten free diet, and about 6 months later, eliminated casein. I think that children can respond quickly, my daughter was 8 when we started. I think that diet is a huge factor in autoimmune illnesses but I also think that most people are deficient in iodine, both were necessary in our case.LinnOn Apr 13, 2010, at 12:30 PM, porkerpie wrote: Thank you Linn! Did you start the diet change at the same time as the iodine? How do you know which effort was effective? If both, any guess to the percent? Do you think antibody levels can be reduced just by diet alone, just by iodine alone, or are both necessary? > > > 's hunny got rid of his antibodies using the iodine protocol. I have a doc telling me that Shark Liver Oil also reduces antibodies as well.. it stabilizes the immune system. > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hello - I just picked up my bloodwork and my antibodies have gone down. I

started iodine (4 drops) in Nov of 08 - started naturethroid at the same time.

I developed a racing heartbeat and quit the naturethroid to work on the

adrenals, kept up with the iodine (Lugols, with companion supps).

Worked up to 75 mg for a few months and then went down to 62 mg, I guess maybe 6

months at 62 mg. I have been taking adrenal support, and the companion supps

also.

Labs from 6 months ago:

Chol/HDL ratio 3.7 s/b <4.5

TSH 6.87 (.45-4.5 mU/L)

T4 Free 1.1 (.8-1.7 ng/dL)

T3 Free 2.9 (2.0-4.8 pg/mL)

TPO-Ab 413 (<35 IU/mL)

Current Labs:

Chol/HDL ratio 3.2 (ranges same as above)

TSH 8.7

T4 Free 1.1

T3 Free 2.8

TPO-AB 285

T3 Reverse 22 (11-32 ng/dL) - 1st time with this test

So my antibodies went from 413 to 285 in 6 months, but my TSH went up to 8.7 (I

have not been taking any thyroid meds for about a year now). My Free's are low,

but I'm still making the hormones, just not enough right? (my free's should be

higher) - that's how I understand it.

I feel ok - just fatigued, and probably would feel better with the thyroid meds.

My next step is to get rid of gluten, but since the iodine is working on the

antibodies, maybe I should just wait and see what happens in the next 6

months??? I've always had a little voice in my head telling me to leave the

bread alone. I think I will try it for 6 months and just see how I feel - and

how the blood work comes out.

The ND was concerned about my low iron - 45 (35-175) and low calcium 8.6 L

(8.7-10.4). She wasn't sure what would cause both of these to be low - so now

I've added iron and calcium to my supps. Maybe the low iron is causing the

fatigue (which I have been thinking is because of the sluggish thyroid?).

So cure? no, but better, yes

Hope that helps - B.

>

> Back to the original question please. Has anyone on this list been able to

cure their Hashimoto's condition?

>

[Guest guest]

people should avoid glutenand grains

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:56 AM, jennyb3232 <j-brady@...> wrote:

 

Hello - I just picked up my bloodwork and my antibodies have gone down. I started iodine (4 drops) in Nov of 08 - started naturethroid at the same time. I developed a racing heartbeat and quit the naturethroid to work on the adrenals, kept up with the iodine (Lugols, with companion supps).

Worked up to 75 mg for a few months and then went down to 62 mg, I guess maybe 6 months at 62 mg. I have been taking adrenal support, and the companion supps also.Labs from 6 months ago:Chol/HDL ratio 3.7 s/b <4.5

TSH 6.87 (.45-4.5 mU/L)T4 Free 1.1 (.8-1.7 ng/dL)T3 Free 2.9 (2.0-4.8 pg/mL)TPO-Ab 413 (<35 IU/mL)Current Labs:Chol/HDL ratio 3.2 (ranges same as above)TSH 8.7T4 Free 1.1T3 Free 2.8

TPO-AB 285T3 Reverse 22 (11-32 ng/dL) - 1st time with this testSo my antibodies went from 413 to 285 in 6 months, but my TSH went up to 8.7 (I have not been taking any thyroid meds for about a year now). My Free's are low, but I'm still making the hormones, just not enough right? (my free's should be higher) - that's how I understand it.

I feel ok - just fatigued, and probably would feel better with the thyroid meds. My next step is to get rid of gluten, but since the iodine is working on the antibodies, maybe I should just wait and see what happens in the next 6 months??? I've always had a little voice in my head telling me to leave the bread alone. I think I will try it for 6 months and just see how I feel - and how the blood work comes out.

The ND was concerned about my low iron - 45 (35-175) and low calcium 8.6 L (8.7-10.4). She wasn't sure what would cause both of these to be low - so now I've added iron and calcium to my supps. Maybe the low iron is causing the fatigue (which I have been thinking is because of the sluggish thyroid?).

So cure? no, but better, yesHope that helps - B.

>> Back to the original question please. Has anyone on this list been able to cure their Hashimoto's condition?>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Great news that iodine has brought down your antibodies. I don't think you need

to be concerned about your TSH results as iodine can push the results up for

about 6months before they go down again. Mine went the opposite way to 0.002

until they settled around 1.

I stopped taking thyroid meds too but my frees are a little higher than yours.

Has your doctor calculated your RT3? I am terrible at Maths but I do know there

is a calculation between FT3 and T3 Reverse which tells you whether you suffer

from RT3. Maybe someone on this forum can help you with this or you can go to

the RT3_T3 forum on where they can explain everything to you. This can be

important as if you suffer from RT3, going back on your thyroid meds might make

you more tired until you clear your RT3. (RT3 can also be caused by high

corisol, ie weak adrenals)

Doctors can be so blazé about low iron. I have always had issues with anemia

and most doctors don't mention supplementing to me. I am sure that low iron has

been part of my weak adrenal/thyroid issue. I have just started back on iron

and although iodine has helped so much with my energy, iron has given me clarity

and drive.

For low calcium, look at your Vit D levels. Vit D3 helps calcium to absorp in

your body. Nowadays, there is a school of thought that Vit D3 supplementation is

more important to raising calcium levels than supplementing with calcium (very

difficult for you body to absorb especially the absorbate supplement). Vit D3

also raises your energy levels.

> >

> > Back to the original question please. Has anyone on this list been able to

cure their Hashimoto's condition?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> my antibodies have gone down. I started iodine (4 drops) in Nov of 08 -

started naturethroid at the same time. I developed a racing heartbeat and quit

the naturethroid to work on the adrenals, kept up with the iodine (Lugols, with

companion supps).

Great that the antibodies have gone down! I also have heart palpitations, and

that causes me to be cautious. Did they stop for you when you dropped thyroid?

In Dr. B's book, I think I remember him talking about his mother-in-law having

heart palpatations and that he advised her to back off on iodine. Steph, is that

right?

>

> My next step is to get rid of gluten

> The ND was concerned about my low iron - 45 (35-175) and low calcium 8.6 L

(8.7-10.4). She wasn't sure what would cause both of these to be low - so now

I've added iron and calcium to my supps. Maybe the low iron is causing the

fatigue (which I have been thinking is because of the sluggish thyroid?).

I have read that inability to absorb nutrients is a symptom of gluten

intolerance, though I'm not sure if it is specifically iron and calcium. Are you

good about eating foods that are rich in these? Have you had testing for food

sensitivities? Wheat and dairy are the most common troublesome foods.

I'm seeing a pattern though. So far the people reporting antibody improvement

have also made major changes in diet. I think the approach to healing Hashi's

and not just treating symptoms HAS to be holistic.

[Guest guest]

You had best listen to that little voice. Most doctors treating people for thyroid suggest they get off gluten.Joannewww.joanneunleashed.comOn Apr 14, 2010, at 3:17 AM, iodine wrote:My next step is to get rid of gluten, but since the iodine is working on the antibodies, maybe I should just wait and see what happens in the next 6 months??? I've always had a little voice in my head telling me to leave the bread alone. I think I will try it for 6 months and just see how I feel - and how the blood work comes out.

[Guest guest]

> You had best listen to that little voice. Most doctors treating people for

thyroid suggest they get off gluten.

Hmmm, none of the doctors we've seen in the last year have ever suggested it -

not even our " good " doc, although he did agree that gluten is becoming more and

more of a problem when I brought it up - saying that even two of his four

children have gluten intolerances. I've only learned about the connection from

online sources.

Speaking of gluten - just how gluten free does one need to be if celiac is not

suspected? Is a general elimination of gluten-containing ingredients sufficient

or must one be militant and remove every possible source, including avoiding

products with no gluten-containing ingredients but which may have been produced

in a plant where gluten is present? We've eliminated gluten - probably 95-98%

or more of it - in the last several weeks but I haven't noticed any changes for

any of us. Does this mean we aren't bothered by gluten or that we have a hidden

source that we need to find? Of course, each member of my family besides myself

has messed up at one point or another over the last several weeks and eaten

something that absolutely contains gluten - fast food mostly. One daughter

bought a salad, trying to make a conscientious choice, not even considering that

the chicken in the salad was breaded, for example. Another daughter works at

Golden Corral, which will not publish a list of gluten-free items. She does the

best she can, but we understand that many of the items that would appear to be

gluten free do indeed contain gluten.

Pamela

[Guest guest]

- my doc said that my conversion was good (from T4 to T3) I thought that's

what the T3 Reverse was (or RT3?) I do not know of a calculation to figure that

out.

I have been on iron supps before, last time I was tested it was 104, then six

months later it was 45. I do eat iron rich foods, and cook with cast iron - I

guess that is not enough. I have been watching my vit D level also - it is low

and I am supplementing (5000 iu daily) I'm haveing that checked next week. I

was also using magnesium oil but was not regular with taking that, I'm trying to

be more consistent. Thanks for the comments!

B.

> > >

> > > Back to the original question please. Has anyone on this list been able to

cure their Hashimoto's condition?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

porkerpie (Joan?) -

The heart palps did stop after dropping the thyroid. I was seeing Dr. Mark

Starr at the time and he told me to stop everything, including iodine, for 2

weeks. After that I started with Naturethroid (same one I was on before) at 1/2

grain (lower dose than before) - got the palpitations back. Stopped the thyroid

and started iodine (4 drops, I'm now at 10 - 5% lugols) , then found this group

and started the supporting supps. I then saw another doctor and learned about

adrenal fatigue and figured I better work on that. I did have my cortisol

tested and I am still using adrenal support.

Dr. Starr said the iodine was detoxing my system and causing the palpitations -

He said I would need to go back on the thyroid meds, I just felt like iodine was

the way to go and I needed to work on other things, like improving my diet.

I do eat a fairly good diet (traditional foods aka noursihing traditions) but I

still have not cut out gluten - I'm just holding on for dear life. Thats next.

Dr Starr did some muscle testing for foods and the things he said to avoid are:

wheat, milk, soy, corn, peanuts, shellfish, eggs (both whites and yolks), pears

(pears???) and seseme. I have not removed any of these, I do drink raw milk and

I have been cutting way down on wheat/grains. I have 4 kids and this was just

too overwhelming for me at the time (it still is but I'm figure out how to make

changes) - maybe if I had a personal chef I did make a gluten free birthday

cake for my 13 yr. old - it was a hit!!

I do think this is something to be treated holisticly -

- B.

>

> >

> > my antibodies have gone down. I started iodine (4 drops) in Nov of 08 -

started naturethroid at the same time. I developed a racing heartbeat and quit

the naturethroid to work on the adrenals, kept up with the iodine (Lugols, with

companion supps).

>

> Great that the antibodies have gone down! I also have heart palpitations, and

that causes me to be cautious. Did they stop for you when you dropped thyroid?

In Dr. B's book, I think I remember him talking about his mother-in-law having

heart palpatations and that he advised her to back off on iodine. Steph, is that

right?

>

> >

> > My next step is to get rid of gluten

> > The ND was concerned about my low iron - 45 (35-175) and low calcium 8.6 L

(8.7-10.4). She wasn't sure what would cause both of these to be low - so now

I've added iron and calcium to my supps. Maybe the low iron is causing the

fatigue (which I have been thinking is because of the sluggish thyroid?).

>

> I have read that inability to absorb nutrients is a symptom of gluten

intolerance, though I'm not sure if it is specifically iron and calcium. Are you

good about eating foods that are rich in these? Have you had testing for food

sensitivities? Wheat and dairy are the most common troublesome foods.

>

> I'm seeing a pattern though. So far the people reporting antibody improvement

have also made major changes in diet. I think the approach to healing Hashi's

and not just treating symptoms HAS to be holistic.

>

[Guest guest]

I know I know - it is getting louder!

- B

>

> > My next step is to get rid of gluten, but since the iodine is working on the

antibodies, maybe I should just wait and see what happens in the next 6

months??? I've always had a little voice in my head telling me to leave the

bread alone. I think I will try it for 6 months and just see how I feel - and

how the blood work comes out.

>

[Guest guest]

,

Here are good links to explain RT3

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/howisit.htm

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/reverse-T3/

http://www.custommedicine.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/reverse-t3-dominance/

from the RT3 group has helped and calculated your RT3 and here it is

>> > > T4 Free 1.1 (.8-1.7 ng/dL)

>> > > T3 Free 2.9 (2.0-4.8 pg/mL)

>> > > TPO-Ab 413 (<35 IU/mL)

>> > >T3 Reverse 22 (11-32 ng/dL)

>>

290/22 equals 13.18. As the result is under 20, you have a RT3 issue. Mine was

around 12.

It is amazing how many doctors do not understand or believe in RT3.

Hope this helps

> > > >

> > > > Back to the original question please. Has anyone on this list been able

to cure their Hashimoto's condition?

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Let me correct my statement to say that all the thyroid books and autoimmune books I've read suggest people who have any autoimmune disease should go off gluten.If you are intolerant to gluten, then any amount would cause an immune reaction. You say you've been gluten-free for a few weeks with no benefit, but you admit that you have eaten gluten during that time. So essentially you have not been gluten-free. I would try to make sure all sources are eliminated (just to be sure) from the diet and give it at least two months. Then eat some bread or something and pay attention to how your body feels the next 3 days. I had some bread after being gluten-free for several months and woke up the next morning with a back spasm that lasted a week.Joannewww.joanneunleashed.comOn Apr 14, 2010, at 6:31 PM, iodine wrote:Hmmm, none of the doctors we've seen in the last year have ever suggested it - not even our "good" doc, although he did agree that gluten is becoming more and more of a problem when I brought it up - saying that even two of his four children have gluten intolerances. I've only learned about the connection from online sources.Speaking of gluten - just how gluten free does one need to be if celiac is not suspected? Is a general elimination of gluten-containing ingredients sufficient or must one be militant and remove every possible source, including avoiding products with no gluten-containing ingredients but which may have been produced in a plant where gluten is present? We've eliminated gluten - probably 95-98% or more of it - in the last several weeks but I haven't noticed any changes for any of us. Does this mean we aren't bothered by gluten or that we have a hidden source that we need to find? Of course, each member of my family besides myself has messed up at one point or another over the last several weeks and eaten something that absolutely contains gluten - fast food mostly. One daughter bought a salad, trying to make a conscientious choice, not even considering that the chicken in the salad was breaded, for example. Another daughter works at Golden Corral, which will not publish a list of gluten-free items. She does the best she can, but we understand that many of the items that would appear to be gluten free do indeed contain gluten.

[Guest guest]

I went totally gluten free about 2 1/2 months ago and I for sure notice a

difference. Also my reverse T3 was always high and now on my most recent thyroid

lab test it dropped by 130 points and its almost at the very bottom of the range

at 101. I feel like I'm absorbing food better and not as hungry, which is sorta

bad for me because I'm already really thin and my appetite has gone way down,

but I feel better. I take digestive enzymes too and they help a lot, it feels

like they clean you out and get rid of mucus and ear wax.

>

> Let me correct my statement to say that all the thyroid books and autoimmune

books I've read suggest people who have any autoimmune disease should go off

gluten.

>

> If you are intolerant to gluten, then any amount would cause an immune

reaction.

>

> You say you've been gluten-free for a few weeks with no benefit, but you admit

that you have eaten gluten during that time. So essentially you have not been

gluten-free.

>

> I would try to make sure all sources are eliminated (just to be sure) from the

diet and give it at least two months. Then eat some bread or something and pay

attention to how your body feels the next 3 days. I had some bread after being

gluten-free for several months and woke up the next morning with a back spasm

that lasted a week.

>

> Joanne

> www.joanneunleashed.com

[Guest guest]

> You say you've been gluten-free for a few weeks with no benefit, but you admit

that you have eaten gluten during that time. So essentially you have not been

gluten-free.

I said that all others in my family besides myself had had some gluten but to my

knowledge I have not. I did ask whether it was necessary to be hyper-vigilant

about avoiding the possibility of any gluten - I've tried to be but cannot

guarantee that I haven't missed something. But to my knowledge, there has been

no gluten in my diet since March 23. The percentage I gave was an arbitrary

figure based on the fact that it's possible I missed something.

>

> I would try to make sure all sources are eliminated (just to be sure) from the

diet and give it at least two months. Then eat some bread or something and pay

attention to how your body feels the next 3 days. I had some bread after being

gluten-free for several months and woke up the next morning with a back spasm

that lasted a week.

>

> Joanne

> www.joanneunleashed.com

>

> > Speaking of gluten - just how gluten free does one need to be if celiac is

not suspected? Is a general elimination of gluten-containing ingredients

sufficient or must one be militant and remove every possible source, including

avoiding products with no gluten-containing ingredients but which may have been

produced in a plant where gluten is present?

[Guest guest]

I just ordered an organic vital greens mix from Life Extension and found out it has gluten!!! You are so right...you have to turn into a real detective. But I will say that having gone gluten free for a few weeks I am beginning to see through the brain fog.

BarbF

In a message dated 4/15/2010 8:27:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, blessedark2010@... writes:

Gluten is found in canned soups, processed foods, condiments. It is hidden in places you would never think of.

[Guest guest]

I eliminated gluten in stages. First in food, then in personal products...even

found it in some paper products. I went further and eliminated all grains

because that made me feel even better than being only gluten-free.

I can sort of tell when I've been glutened...currently it makes me itch...it

used to give me horrible bowel issues, but I no longer experience those. As

pointed out, not experiencing symptoms doesn't mean that gluten isn't

causing damage that WILL lead to SERIOUS health issues. Lot's of

gluten-intolerant people don't have symptoms early on and I can only imagine

that that makes wrapping your mind around the need to be gluten-free all the

more difficult.

It's best to kick gluten, and all grains IMHO, completely out of your life if

you have even the slightest concern. I'm not always successful...slips do occur

and I beat myself up royally for those. Overall though I'm feeling a whole lot

better than I was...like night and day.

>

> Speaking of gluten - just how gluten free does one need to be if celiac is not

suspected? Is a general elimination of gluten-containing ingredients sufficient

or must one be militant and remove every possible source, including avoiding

products with no gluten-containing ingredients but which may have been produced

in a plant where gluten is present?

[Guest guest]

Gluten is found in canned soups, processed foods, condiments. It is hidden in places you would never think of. You have to read labels and know what the words mean, which can take a few months do get down right. I have been gluten free since last July and I'm doing great and have lost weight. I missed gluten but not anymore. After detoxing from gluten I felt so much better. from IllinoisFrom: Pamela

<prov31mom23@...>iodine Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 10:45:26 PMSubject: Re: Cure hashimotos?

> You say you've been gluten-free for a few weeks with no benefit, but you admit that you have eaten gluten during that time. So essentially you have not been gluten-free.

I said that all others in my family besides myself had had some gluten but to my knowledge I have not. I did ask whether it was necessary to be hyper-vigilant about avoiding the possibility of any gluten - I've tried to be but cannot guarantee that I haven't missed something. But to my knowledge, there has been no gluten in my diet since March 23. The percentage I gave was an arbitrary figure based on the fact that it's possible I missed something.

>

> I would try to make sure all sources are eliminated (just to be sure) from the diet and give it at least two months. Then eat some bread or something and pay attention to how your body feels the next 3 days. I had some bread after being gluten-free for several months and woke up the next morning with a back spasm that lasted a week.

>

> Joanne

> www.joanneunleashed .com

>

> > Speaking of gluten - just how gluten free does one need to be if celiac is not suspected? Is a general elimination of gluten-containing ingredients sufficient or must one be militant and remove every possible source, including avoiding products with no gluten-containing ingredients but which may have been produced in a plant where gluten is present?

[Guest guest]

, was elimination of gluten enough or did you have to remove ALL grains

from your diet?

>

> Gluten is found in canned soups, processed foods, condiments. It is hidden in

places you would never think of. You have to read labels and know what the words

mean, which can take a few months do get down right. I have been gluten free

since last July and I'm doing great and have lost weight. I missed gluten but

not anymore. After detoxing from gluten I felt so much better.

>

> from Illinois

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Pamela <prov31mom23@...>

> iodine

> Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 10:45:26 PM

> Subject: Re: Cure hashimotos?

>

>

>

> > You say you've been gluten-free for a few weeks with no benefit, but you

admit that you have eaten gluten during that time. So essentially you have not

been gluten-free.

>

> I said that all others in my family besides myself had had some gluten but to

my knowledge I have not. I did ask whether it was necessary to be

hyper-vigilant about avoiding the possibility of any gluten - I've tried to be

but cannot guarantee that I haven't missed something. But to my knowledge,

there has been no gluten in my diet since March 23. The percentage I gave was

an arbitrary figure based on the fact that it's possible I missed something.

>

> >

> > I would try to make sure all sources are eliminated (just to be sure) from

the diet and give it at least two months. Then eat some bread or something and

pay attention to how your body feels the next 3 days. I had some bread after

being gluten-free for several months and woke up the next morning with a back

spasm that lasted a week.

> >

> > Joanne

> > www.joanneunleashed .com

> >

> > > Speaking of gluten - just how gluten free does one need to be if celiac is

not suspected? Is a general elimination of gluten-containing ingredients

sufficient or must one be militant and remove every possible source, including

avoiding products with no gluten-containing ingredients but which may have been

produced in a plant where gluten is present?

>