Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Bruce...I know from being on the adrenals group that you are supposed to

wean from hydrocortisone very slowly. They recommend to go down 2 mg per week.

At that rate it will take me about 10 weeks to get completely off. I'd rather

stop it all together right now, but I understand why I have to do it slowly.

Sherry

[Guest guest]

Good show, also is a warning for those who read previous posts and decide to stop taking it on their own.

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: lookonthebriteside

Thanks, Bruce...I know from being on the adrenals group that you are supposed to wean from hydrocortisone very slowly. They recommend to go down 2 mg per week. At that rate it will take me about 10 weeks to get completely off. I'd rather stop it all together right now, but I understand why I have to do it slowly.Sherry

[Guest guest]

As far as the adrenals and iodine----if the iodine is used to support the thyroid---there is a delicate balance to keep in tune here.....

I remember when I first started on Armour few years ago, went to my nutritionist who muscle tests me for everything I take----Initially I was fine on the Armour, then I started to feel tired, etc., adrenal symptoms----

she tested me and because of new thyroid power, it was stealing from my adrenals, so I started needing adrenal cortex to help.......I did and it got balanced.

You may be taking too much thyroid/iodine and need more adrenal support.

the perfect balance for you may be to back off on thyroid/iodine a bit and/or support adrenals more.....

Blessings, Margaret"We are not held back by the love we didn't receive in the past, but by the love we're not extending in the present." nne on

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherry

I don’t really know that the

iodine crashed my adrenals. In a two month period my son was diagnosed

with a liver disease, my daughter and daughter in law both had babies (happy

stress but still stress) and my husband had back surgery along with Thanksgiving

and Christmas. My adrenals crashed the Christmas before just with

Christmas stress. So I can’t really blame it on the iodine for

sure. I just worried at the time that I had upped the dose too fast

or something. It was probably a little of everything. But the iodine

made me feel better and it is worth the effort to try again. I am also

since Christmas on a no sugar no grain diet and I have added some supplement

this week to help with sugar metabolism. So we will see.

Good luck to you too.

Beebe

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of lookonthebriteside

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:33 PM

iodine

Subject: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

I hope your theory is right, Beebe!

I'm a bit concerned to hear about your adrenals crashing with iodine and no HC

because that is what I'm about to try. I guess I will just have to see what

happens and maybe just use HC in very stressful times.

I really started to wonder about the adrenals group when the moderators would

keep disappearing for a while because they were sick. They tried to be helpful,

and I admire their effort, but it seemed like they didn't even have their own

illnesses under control.

Good luck with everything

Sherry

[Guest guest]

I understand, . As soon as I sent that post, I thought about the

toxicity issue and reconsidered what I said on my post.

So, if I were to just stay at 12.5 - 25 mg of iodine (assuming that I would

continue to feel good at that level and that I could tolerate the weight gain),

I would likely never get to fully detox and never reap the full benefits of

iodine?

Sherry

>

> Sherry - it isn't about deficiency. It's toxicity. Not only did we lose out

on the needed nutrients from soil and food (Mg, Se, I, Vit C, etc) but we are

bombarded from all sides with toxic halides that block what little iodine we are

exposed to (Fluoride, Chlorine, Bromide, Mercury).

>

>

>

>

> Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

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> I don't know how much weight, Engtovo. I don't weigh myself. Anything on top

of the hydrocortisone weight is just too much on my 5'2 " frame, after only 10

days. It may be only 5 pounds, but it's enough to be very upsetting. I just know

that I look disgusting and am busting out of my clothes.

>

> I don't really understand how, for those who are just iodine deficient,

versus battling cancer, why we would need to supplement with so much iodine

every day. I could be wrong, but just seems that whatever iodine is missing from

our food wouldn't be 25 mg or more each day.

>

> Sherry

>

[Guest guest]

It's possible and is a good reason to test for iodine levels with bromide toxicity with the loading test.

Steph

Re:Weight Gain with Iodine> > > > I don't know how much weight, Engtovo. I don't weigh myself. Anything on top of the hydrocortisone weight is just too much on my 5'2" frame, after only 10 days. It may be only 5 pounds, but it's enough to be very upsetting. I just know that I look disgusting and am busting out of my clothes.> > I don't really understand how, for those who are just iodine deficient, versus battling cancer, why we would need to supplement with so much iodine every day. I could be wrong, but just seems that whatever iodine is missing from our food wouldn't be 25 mg or more each day.> > Sherry>

[Guest guest]

Ok, thanks...I'm not going to be able to do any testing for a while, so I guess

I will just experiment and see what happens.

Sherry

>

> It's possible and is a good reason to test for iodine levels with bromide

toxicity with the loading test.

>

> Steph

>

[Guest guest]

Quote from above site:

"People who treat their own hypoglycemia like the common example given above are on a constant roller-coaster ride throughout the day with their blood sugar erratically rising and then falling after each “sugar fix.” This throws not only cortisol and insulin levels into turmoil, but also the nervous system and the entire homeostasis of the body. Therefore, by the end of the day, the person may feel nearly exhausted without having done anything. It might take an entire evening or weekend to recover from this daily/weekly roller coaster ride. It has sometimes been characterized as driving with both the brakes and the accelerator pushed to the floor at the same time."

Those who look at sugar and related things such as high Fructose corn syrup, and especially at insulin levels/resistance shall be counted among the very wise

Iodine is healing, added together with looking for causes leads to wellness...

[ok; to me, shaddup]

Bruce

----- Original Message ----- From: bfsmo Hi SherryI don’t really know that the iodine crashed my adrenals. In a two month period my son was diagnosed with a liver disease, my daughter and daughter in law both had babies (happy stress but still stress) and my husband had back surgery along with Thanksgiving and Christmas. My adrenals crashed the Christmas before just with Christmas stress. So I can’t really blame it on the iodine for sure. I just worried at the time that I had upped the dose too fast or something. It was probably a little of everything. But the iodine made me feel better and it is worth the effort to try again. I am also since Christmas on a no sugar no grain diet and I have added some supplement this week to help with sugar metabolism. So we will see.Good luck to you too.Beebe

[Guest guest]

That is exactly how I have felt

Bruce. Foot on the brake and the accelerator at the same time. And

I would spend weekends trying to recover and face the week. Thinking all

along it was thyroid and adrenals, there was something missing. I so hope

this “sugar” thing is the missing link. My doctor suspected

insulin resistance years ago. But we still focused on adrenals and

thyroid.

Now if a brownie was sitting in

front of me, I might want it. But in reality giving up sugars and grains

hasn’t been that bad.

Beebe

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Bruce

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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:34 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

Quote from above site:

" People who treat their own hypoglycemia like the

common example given above are on a constant roller-coaster ride throughout the

day with their blood sugar erratically rising and then falling after each

“sugar fix.” This throws not only cortisol and insulin levels into

turmoil, but also the nervous system and the entire homeostasis of the body.

Therefore, by the end of the day, the person may feel nearly exhausted without

having done anything. It might take an entire evening or weekend to recover

from this daily/weekly roller coaster ride. It has sometimes been characterized

as driving with both the brakes and the accelerator pushed to the floor at the

same time. "

Those who look at sugar and related things such as high

Fructose corn syrup, and especially at insulin levels/resistance

shall be counted among the very wise

Iodine is healing, added together with looking for causes

leads to wellness...

[ok; to me, shaddup]

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: bfsmo

Hi Sherry

I don’t really know that the iodine crashed my adrenals. In a two

month period my son was diagnosed with a liver disease, my daughter and

daughter in law both had babies (happy stress but still stress) and my husband

had back surgery along with Thanksgiving and Christmas. My adrenals

crashed the Christmas before just with Christmas stress. So I can’t

really blame it on the iodine for sure. I just worried at the time that I

had upped the dose too fast or something. It was probably a little

of everything. But the iodine made me feel better and it is worth the

effort to try again. I am also since Christmas on a no sugar no grain

diet and I have added some supplement this week to help with sugar

metabolism. So we will see.

Good luck to you too.

Beebe

[Guest guest]

Dr. Brownstein's book on hormones is an excellent overview about the various hormones that we may need to supplement. He explains the differences with HC.

Actually, all his books are excellent and well worth the money!Nonie > > you are confusing low dose HC with the way docs use steroids. HC is safe > and a life saver when used properly. look at Safe Uses of Cortisol by > McK Jefferies MD. we shouldn't throw the baby out with the > bathwater > gracia

[Guest guest]

Starting with iodine deficiency, add vit/mineral depletion, add standard

diet and toxins/metals/halides...

We get type 2 hypothyroidism as per Dr Mark Starr

Resistance on a cellular level to thyroid hormones.

Doctors don't catch that at all.

We get type 2 diabetes, insulin resistance.

What isn't often thought of is the blood level of insulin.

They focus on glucose levels.

So one can have " normal " blood sugar, but that is being maintained by HIGH

insulin levels, which is seldom tested.

So no symptoms/no test.

Then the cells become insulin resistant due to high insulin levels. So the

cause isn't seen until one is well on the way to diabetes.

Then they treat that " symptom " with more insulin at worst, diet at best.

I firmly believe that, and am researching, high insulin levels as cause of

many problems, as minor and increasing insulin levels are almost never

thought of as long as glucose levels are fine. In some, glucose is " ok " as

tested, but it's only ok cause insulin is high.

But it isn't only sugar, it's also high glycemic food. A potato or white

rice is as bad as a serving of sugar...slice of bread can be a slice of

sugar lol. Not to get crazy or paranoid, but have both ballance and

awareness.

Insulin resistance not detected can have many factors, including I believe

resistance to other hormones...so docs give hormones as solution to the

body's resistance to that hormone, rather than looking for the cause.

I know some will have to say there is more to it than this. I know there is,

but don't want to write a book or encyclopedia here thanks.

And close to off topic, though it directly influences iodine results and

thyroid/adrenals.

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: bfsmo

That is exactly how I have felt Bruce. Foot on the brake and the

accelerator at the same time. And I would spend weekends trying to recover

and face the week. Thinking all along it was thyroid and adrenals, there

was something missing. I so hope this " sugar " thing is the missing link.

My doctor suspected insulin resistance years ago. But we still focused on

adrenals and thyroid.

Now if a brownie was sitting in front of me, I might want it. But in

reality giving up sugars and grains hasn't been that bad.

Beebe

[Guest guest]

You have been a lot of help

Bruce. That all makes so much sense now. It was a link someone

(maybe you) put on here the other day that reminded me of my suspected

insulin resistance years ago. I feel like I actually have a chance now to

feel better. Gonna try to put it all together now. I’ll let

you know how that turns out.

Thanks

Beebe

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Bruce

P

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:25 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

Starting with iodine deficiency, add

vit/mineral depletion, add standard

diet and toxins/metals/halides...

We get type 2 hypothyroidism as per Dr Mark Starr

Resistance on a cellular level to thyroid hormones.

Doctors don't catch that at all.

We get type 2 diabetes, insulin resistance.

What isn't often thought of is the blood level of insulin.

They focus on glucose levels.

So one can have " normal " blood sugar, but that is being maintained by

HIGH

insulin levels, which is seldom tested.

So no symptoms/no test.

Then the cells become insulin resistant due to high insulin levels. So the

cause isn't seen until one is well on the way to diabetes.

Then they treat that " symptom " with more insulin at worst, diet at

best.

I firmly believe that, and am researching, high insulin levels as cause of

many problems, as minor and increasing insulin levels are almost never

thought of as long as glucose levels are fine. In some, glucose is

" ok " as

tested, but it's only ok cause insulin is high.

But it isn't only sugar, it's also high glycemic food. A potato or white

rice is as bad as a serving of sugar...slice of bread can be a slice of

sugar lol. Not to get crazy or paranoid, but have both ballance and

awareness.

Insulin resistance not detected can have many factors, including I believe

resistance to other hormones...so docs give hormones as solution to the

body's resistance to that hormone, rather than looking for the cause.

I know some will have to say there is more to it than this. I know there is,

but don't want to write a book or encyclopedia here thanks.

And close to off topic, though it directly influences iodine results and

thyroid/adrenals.

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: bfsmo

That is exactly how I have felt Bruce. Foot on the brake and the

accelerator at the same time. And I would spend weekends trying to recover

and face the week. Thinking all along it was thyroid and adrenals, there

was something missing. I so hope this " sugar " thing is the missing

link.

My doctor suspected insulin resistance years ago. But we still focused on

adrenals and thyroid.

Now if a brownie was sitting in front of me, I might want it. But in

reality giving up sugars and grains hasn't been that bad.

Beebe

[Guest guest]

Glad to hear thank you.

When we add the best of natural solutions to iodine sufficiency, and seek

causes rather than treating symptoms, researching the best of

alternative/complimentary medicine brings many of the answers.

That link is likely:

http://www.drrosedale.com/rosedale_writing.htm

He has the most intelligent explanations and makes unique connections that

explain a lot. Now we can get the rest of the story...

{Disclaimer for the word police: No claim to every single answer to every

single thing here]

lol

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: bfsmo

You have been a lot of help Bruce. That all makes so much sense now. It

was a link someone (maybe you) put on here the other day that reminded me

of my suspected insulin resistance years ago. I feel like I actually have a

chance now to feel better. Gonna try to put it all together now. I'll let

you know how that turns out.

Thanks

Beebe

[Guest guest]

Yep, that is the link that pulled

so many things together for me. Thank you so much for posting that.

I think with that information and the iodine I will start treating the cause

not the symptoms. I have high hopes at least!!!

Thanks again Bruce you have been a

great help.

Beebe

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Bruce

P

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:47 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

Glad to hear thank you.

When we add the best of natural solutions to iodine sufficiency, and seek

causes rather than treating symptoms, researching the best of

alternative/complimentary medicine brings many of the answers.

That link is likely:

http://www.drrosedale.com/rosedale_writing.htm

He has the most intelligent explanations and makes unique connections that

explain a lot. Now we can get the rest of the story...

{Disclaimer for the word police: No claim to every single answer to every

single thing here]

lol

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: bfsmo

You have been a lot of help Bruce. That all makes so much sense now. It

was a link someone (maybe you) put on here the other day that reminded me

of my suspected insulin resistance years ago. I feel like I actually have a

chance now to feel better. Gonna try to put it all together now. I'll let

you know how that turns out.

Thanks

Beebe

[Guest guest]

What do you by HC ? Pat

iodine From: slehr05@...Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:33:07 +0000Subject: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

I hope your theory is right, Beebe!I'm a bit concerned to hear about your adrenals crashing with iodine and no HC because that is what I'm about to try. I guess I will just have to see what happens and maybe just use HC in very stressful times.I really started to wonder about the adrenals group when the moderators would keep disappearing for a while because they were sick. They tried to be helpful, and I admire their effort, but it seemed like they didn't even have their own illnesses under control.Good luck with everything :)Sherry

[Guest guest]

Steph,Is the Biotics Cytozyme sold over the counter,if so,where? How does one know if one needs adrenal support? Is it the cortisol test? I had a cortisol test in 2006 and my AM was 23.3,considered high,PM was 9.3.I'm sure thats changed by now for I feel fatigued most of the time. I also ordered one more book from Brownstein on hormones.Thanxs again for this site because I was at a total loss in what I needed to do next as mainsteam medicine hasn't even begun to address the problem.Pat

iodine From: ladybugsandbees@...Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 06:27:12 -0500Subject: Re: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

I agree . I take Biotics Research Cytozyme AD to support my adrenals and then when I am in a really stressful time like over the holidays I take HC. I had to take HC when my dad was in ICU and then died. But otherwise now I only use it when I am getting sick or have a very stressful week.

Steph

Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

I did the same Sherry and then just decided through my own experience that I did not want to go the hydrocortisone route. There are people here who have done hydrocortisone and there seems to be lots of success stories on STTM too. I only think that iodine is hard on your adrenals if you are not taking the supps and making sure that you doing everything that can to help any detox.I take a natural adrenal cortex backed up by St s Wort and it has worked really well for me. Throughout the year on iodine I have had times when my adrenals have been under pressure but I then have upped salt and water magnesium and adrenal supp with St s Wort and they have settled down again. cindy

[Guest guest]

Here's a list of "vendors" http://www.google.com/products?q=Biotics+Research+Cytozyme+AD & aq=f You can see what fits your needs. There are two tablet sizes. I was originally dx'd to need it due to fatigue in the afternoon as well as a BP that dropped when I went from laying down to standing up. It should rise. I also had those "black outs" with stars when I stood up too quickly.

Steph

Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

I did the same Sherry and then just decided through my own experience that I did not want to go the hydrocortisone route. There are people here who have done hydrocortisone and there seems to be lots of success stories on STTM too. I only think that iodine is hard on your adrenals if you are not taking the supps and making sure that you doing everything that can to help any detox.I take a natural adrenal cortex backed up by St s Wort and it has worked really well for me. Throughout the year on iodine I have had times when my adrenals have been under pressure but I then have upped salt and water magnesium and adrenal supp with St s Wort and they have settled down again. cindy

[Guest guest]

>I wish we would have known that the hydrocortisone was a factor in your

>struggling to maintain your weight sooner, as that is such a contributing

>aspect unto itself. Swelling, edema and weight gain are it's number one

>side effect. It sounds like whatever your body is healing with the iodine

>is just making that side effect more prevalent.

This was my thought, but not being much experienced decided not to share it.

--

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Lately I have been getting dizzy in a sitting position.Maybe not enough oxygen.I notice when I move around more I don't get dizzy.I've been on the computer alot lately.LOL Pat

iodine From: ladybugsandbees@...Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:13:57 -0500Subject: Re: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

Here's a list of "vendors" http://www.google.com/products?q=Biotics+Research+Cytozyme+AD & aq=f You can see what fits your needs. There are two tablet sizes. I was originally dx'd to need it due to fatigue in the afternoon as well as a BP that dropped when I went from laying down to standing up. It should rise. I also had those "black outs" with stars when I stood up too quickly.

Steph

Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

I did the same Sherry and then just decided through my own experience that I did not want to go the hydrocortisone route. There are people here who have done hydrocortisone and there seems to be lots of success stories on STTM too. I only think that iodine is hard on your adrenals if you are not taking the supps and making sure that you doing everything that can to help any detox.I take a natural adrenal cortex backed up by St s Wort and it has worked really well for me. Throughout the year on iodine I have had times when my adrenals have been under pressure but I then have upped salt and water magnesium and adrenal supp with St s Wort and they have settled down again. cindy

[Guest guest]

I've decided to wean off of hydrocortisone in order to try to deflect weight

gain that intensified once I started iodine. I'm choosing iodine over

hydrocortisone because it seemed to be helping me more. But I don't think that I

mentioned during the discussions yesterday and before that I also take Armour.

(I have the type of hypothyroidism where my lab values are not below range -

Type II, I think). Armour has made me feel worse in the past when I wasn't

taking hydrocortisone.

Should I wean off the Armour as I wean off the hydrocortisone? Maybe my adrenals

have sufficiently healed by now or maybe iodine is all I need. I didn't notice

feeling significantly better with Armour and hydrocortisone until I started

iodine.

Sherry

[Guest guest]

for me the basics are Armour 240mg, Iodoral 100mg, and cortef 5mg 4X a day.

Gracia

lookonthebriteside wrote:

>

> I've decided to wean off of hydrocortisone in order to try to deflect

> weight gain that intensified once I started iodine. I'm choosing

> iodine over hydrocortisone because it seemed to be helping me more.

> But I don't think that I mentioned during the discussions yesterday

> and before that I also take Armour. (I have the type of hypothyroidism

> where my lab values are not below range - Type II, I think). Armour

> has made me feel worse in the past when I wasn't taking hydrocortisone.

>

> Should I wean off the Armour as I wean off the hydrocortisone? Maybe

> my adrenals have sufficiently healed by now or maybe iodine is all I

> need. I didn't notice feeling significantly better with Armour and

> hydrocortisone until I started iodine.

>

> Sherry

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would only change one thing at a time. I would stay on the Armour. There aren't many that can come off thyroid meds due to iodine.

Steph

Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

I've decided to wean off of hydrocortisone in order to try to deflect weight gain that intensified once I started iodine. I'm choosing iodine over hydrocortisone because it seemed to be helping me more. But I don't think that I mentioned during the discussions yesterday and before that I also take Armour. (I have the type of hypothyroidism where my lab values are not below range - Type II, I think). Armour has made me feel worse in the past when I wasn't taking hydrocortisone. Should I wean off the Armour as I wean off the hydrocortisone? Maybe my adrenals have sufficiently healed by now or maybe iodine is all I need. I didn't notice feeling significantly better with Armour and hydrocortisone until I started iodine.Sherry

[Guest guest]

Gracia...are you still able to get Armour? You are lucky that it works for you.

BarbF

In a message dated 2/4/2010 11:52:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, circe@... writes:

for me the basics are Armour 240mg