Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

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for me one PGX softgel before the evening meal nade all the difference.i eat low carb diet.

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:17 PM, <fibrojay@...> wrote:

 

 

 

In a message dated 2/2/2010 5:11:37 P.M. Romance Standard Time, bruce@... writes:

One of his articles I included a quote to mentions tyrosine as a thyroid test, if it raises basal temp, one has an amino acid deficiency

as it indicates the thyroid doesn't have what it needs, not a thyroid " problem " . Adding tyrosine is not the answer.

 

Bruce --

 

If it is not L-Tyrosine, does he give the answer to amino acid deficiency? What to take?

 

Fibrojay

 

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I was in error, it wasn't rosedale, it was below which explains it all,

protein deficiency and the thyroid.

The idea is sound and can be considered, I don't agree with all the rest on

diet though.

One can, as we all know, get the " gold " and ignore the rest.

But seeing something wrong and ignoring the rest is a way to never learn

http://www.space-age.com/hypothyroidism.html

Bruce

In a message dated 2/2/2010 5:11:37 P.M. Romance Standard Time,

bruce@... writes:

One of his articles I included a quote to mentions tyrosine as a thyroid

test, if it raises basal temp, one has an amino acid deficiency

as it indicates the thyroid doesn't have what it needs, not a thyroid

" problem " . Adding tyrosine is not the answer.

Bruce --

If it is not L-Tyrosine, does he give the answer to amino acid deficiency?

What to take?

Fibrojay

[Guest guest]

Nonie,When I went gluten free I was no longer in my state of depression. No meds would work and I tried them all for depression. I was happy to start feeling better when I took gluten out of my diet. I eat mostly whole foods that are gluten free. Vegis, fruits and meat. It makes preparing meals a heck a lot easier for me. I also lost over 25 lbs. I do eat certified organic quino and steel cut oats. And once a month I make a loaf of bread using brown rice flour, sorghum,almond meal, garfava, amaranth,flax,Indian rice grass, cassava, wild rice and yucca. There are so many good grains out there and moderation is key. Some people just can not digest the protein in grains but there are so many of them that you can try and see how it goes. And baking is a whole new challenge baking without gluten.

Then you start using guar gum, xanthan gum and arrow root which takes the place of gluten in baked products. Heck, gluten is in every packaged or canned processed food, it is in the part you lick to seal an envelope, cosmetics, shampoos, pre packaged gravies, soups,soy sauce even french fries.. But since I have started cooking and baking GF and now supplementing with iodine I feel a lot better. At least the iodine stopped the sweating to death part. I upped my dose so I am now at 25. I want to be at 50mg in 2 weeks or less.I hope you find a grain that you like Nonie, but with everything in life, moderation is key. from IllinoisFrom: KENNETH GENTILE <gentile@...>iodine Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 10:00:30 AMSubject: RE: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

Not to mention rat and mice droppings.

iodinegroups (DOT) comFrom: kathleenblake@ msn.comDate: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 23:39:05 -0700Subject: Re: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

yes and corn and wheat are stored in silos for long periods of time and become ridden with mold and fungus. check out knowthecause. com, very interesting site by Doug Kaufmann

Re: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

It is yes, also, notice they feed corn and grain to cows to quickly fatten them up for market.And worse but thats another matterWhen I fed my chickens too much corn they got fat...Bruce----- Original Message ----- From: NonieI think most corn is gmo now. Plus corn is very fattening! I think I am going to have to get off all grains and see if I feel better. There are the non grains like quinoa.Nonie

[Guest guest]

Bruce,you are just so knowledgable!!! So do you know of a good amino acid supplement? The soils are depleted and even the animals aren't getting nutrition from the soil in what their eating.Pat

iodine From: bruce@...Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 02:10:12 -0500Subject: Re: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

Interesting idea here

"Dieting over prolonged and extended periods can permanently reprogram the Thyroid into low gear. Now the rate at which you begin putting on weight is alarming (1 Kg / 2 lbs per month) and you think you have a Thyroid Problem. Little realizing that you might have created it with your "Superior Intellect". So you go and get your T3, T4 and TSH levels checked and satisfy yourself that nature has indeed bestowed a Thyroid Problem in your life. Now you think you were Smart in the first place to have suspected you have a Thyroid Problem and the tests have "proved" you right.

The truth of the matter is that your "Superior Intellect" inflicted Hypothyroidism in your life. The deeper truth is that you don't have a Thyroid malfunction but a Protein Deficiency. So much for your T3, T4 and TSH Test Report and our ability to interpret it and correct the situation. The truth of the matter is that your body does not have adequate reserves of Proteins and Nitrogen to produce its own Amino Acids like Tyrosine and other Essential and Non Essential Amino Acids. Remember, there are approximately 28 Amino Acids, that work synergistically together to keep the Body in balance.

From the above, it is now clear to you that, to decrease weight, you must begin to eat right. The trick to reducing weight is to actually increase food intake to normal levels, so that your Body has adequate levels of Proteins and Nitrogen reserves, to increase your Rate of Metabolism."

http://www.space-age.com/hypothyroidism.html

Bruce

Re: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

It is yes, also, notice they feed corn and grain to cows to quickly fatten them up for market.And worse but thats another matterWhen I fed my chickens too much corn they got fat...Bruce----- Original Message ----- From: NonieI think most corn is gmo now. Plus corn is very fattening! I think I am going to have to get off all grains and see if I feel better. There are the non grains like quinoa.Nonie

[Guest guest]

Here is another good book to read."Going Against The Grains by Dianne ,dipl.nutr.As I posted in one email,we've gone from 5% gluten to 55% gluten in wheat.Phytates are a mineral binding antinutrient found with insoluble fiber in whole grains and legumes.This does not include nongluten grains.She also says if your carbohydrate sensitive to omit all grains for weight loss.She also talks about losing weight,autoimmune diseases,diabetes,heart disease and celiac. Pat

iodine From: blessedark2009@...Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 08:32:47 -0800Subject: Re: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

Nonie,When I went gluten free I was no longer in my state of depression. No meds would work and I tried them all for depression. I was happy to start feeling better when I took gluten out of my diet. I eat mostly whole foods that are gluten free. Vegis, fruits and meat. It makes preparing meals a heck a lot easier for me. I also lost over 25 lbs. I do eat certified organic quino and steel cut oats. And once a month I make a loaf of bread using brown rice flour, sorghum,almond meal, garfava, amaranth,flax,Indian rice grass, cassava, wild rice and yucca. There are so many good grains out there and moderation is key. Some people just can not digest the protein in grains but there are so many of them that you can try and see how it goes. And baking is a whole new challenge baking without gluten. Then you start using guar gum, xanthan gum and arrow root which takes the place of gluten in baked products. Heck, gluten is in every packaged or canned processed food, it is in the part you lick to seal an envelope, cosmetics, shampoos, pre packaged gravies, soups,soy sauce even french fries.. But since I have started cooking and baking GF and now supplementing with iodine I feel a lot better. At least the iodine stopped the sweating to death part. I upped my dose so I am now at 25. I want to be at 50mg in 2 weeks or less.I hope you find a grain that you like Nonie, but with everything in life, moderation is key.

from Illinois

From: KENNETH GENTILE <gentile@...>iodine Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 10:00:30 AMSubject: RE: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

Not to mention rat and mice droppings.

iodinegroups (DOT) comFrom: kathleenblake@ msn.comDate: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 23:39:05 -0700Subject: Re: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

yes and corn and wheat are stored in silos for long periods of time and become ridden with mold and fungus. check out knowthecause. com, very interesting site by Doug Kaufmann

Re: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

It is yes, also, notice they feed corn and grain to cows to quickly fatten them up for market.And worse but thats another matterWhen I fed my chickens too much corn they got fat...Bruce----- Original Message ----- From: NonieI think most corn is gmo now. Plus corn is very fattening! I think I am going to have to get off all grains and see if I feel better. There are the non grains like quinoa.Nonie

[Guest guest]

I guess its related as if one has sensitivities, or getting phylates ,it

effects absorption of nutrients and the iodine protocol...

I thought I was doing good when I got a good flour mill and started making

my own.

Months later discovered phylates lol. Now soak/sprout

A lot have low level intolerances and don't know it.

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: KENNETH GENTILE

Here is another good book to read. " Going Against The Grains by

Dianne ,dipl.nutr.As I posted in one email,we've gone from 5% gluten to

55% gluten in wheat.Phytates are a mineral binding antinutrient found with

insoluble fiber in whole grains and legumes.This does not include nongluten

grains.She also says if your carbohydrate sensitive to omit all grains for

weight loss.She also talks about losing weight,autoimmune

diseases,diabetes,heart disease and celiac. Pat

[Guest guest]

No one knows the answers to the whole story so you read to gather information and apply what you think is good for you and then you learn through trial and sometimes error.There is never any one cause for disease and there is never just one solution.What works for one doesn't always work for another.If we could only find balance in all nutrients and eliminate all enviromental chemicals.

iodine From: bruce@...Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 10:29:10 -0500Subject: Re: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

If one looks at things with an open mind one may learn something, however small.When one doesn't, one learns nothing.Miss the point?Bruce Re: Re:Weight Gain with IodineIt is yes, also, notice they feed corn and grain to cows to quickly fattenthem up for market.And worse but thats another matterWhen I fed my chickens too much corn they got fat...Bruce----- Original Message ----- From: NonieI think most corn is gmo now. Plus corn is very fattening! I think I amgoing to have to get off all grains and see if I feel better. There are thenon grains like quinoa.Nonie

[Guest guest]

I think even though their spouted they still can contain phytates.When I use alfalfa greens,I avoid the greens mixed with barley because of the gluten.Pat > iodine > From: bruce@...> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 12:23:28 -0500> Subject: Re: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine> > I guess its related as if one has sensitivities, or getting phylates ,it > effects absorption of nutrients and the iodine protocol...> > I thought I was doing good when I got a good flour mill and started making > my own.> Months later discovered phylates lol. Now soak/sprout> A lot have low level intolerances and don't know it.> > Bruce> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: KENNETH GENTILE> > Here is another good book to read."Going Against The Grains by > Dianne ,dipl.nutr.As I posted in one email,we've gone from 5% gluten to > 55% gluten in wheat.Phytates are a mineral binding antinutrient found with > insoluble fiber in whole grains and legumes.This does not include nongluten > grains.She also says if your carbohydrate sensitive to omit all grains for > weight loss.She also talks about losing weight,autoimmune > diseases,diabetes,heart disease and celiac. Pat> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > >

[Guest guest]

It is very important to make a distinction from genetically engineered

organisms (GMOs) and the process by which humans have made changes to

agricultural plants generally, which is by selection of particular plants

that exhibit desired characteristics (a la Luther Burbank). GMO processes

are the ones that are scary, uncontrolled, and to be avoided. Selection

processes, while they may not always produce results that are ideal for

human diet, are not nearly the survival-level concern that GMOs are.

All agricultural plants that are grown as crops have been developed through

selection over the thousands of years humans have been farming. The

increase in gluten is a product of selection, not GMO processes, as far as

I know.

--

>I also read where Canada has GMOed wheat to the point where it used to

>have 5% gluten and now has 55% gluten.What do you bet we have the same

>wheat?We're gumming ourselves up,no wonder celiac and gluten intolerance

>is on the rise.What once was perfect,man has taken it and changed it only

>for profit.

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

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I have found you have to go with what you feel. I started at 25 mg February of last year, worked up to 100 mg then my body started to really use and absorb it well as my gut healed and I had to drop back down to 25 mg. I had some terrible detox but I am certain it was not all bromide related as I have subacute thyroiditis which is viral (and takes 1 yr to 18 months to resolve) and 25 years worth of fighting candida so I think the viral load, the candida detox and the bromide just hit me all at once and overwhelmed my detox pathways. For a time I pulse dosed the 25 mg and then did some salt loading that got me through the rough patch and felt I stabilized and I was then able to raise to 37.5 mg, where I stayed for about a month. Now I am back at 50 mg. In terms of what is enough I think the more research that is done getting to 50 mg is important for most people, but if someone is able to take 50 mg immediately or they take weeks or months to get there is a matter of what is going on with their own bodies. I think with all the issues I have had I will work my way back up to 100 mg It will just take as long as it takes for me to get there.

About a month ago when I started at 37.5 I went back and averaged all my doses since February and I averaged 45 mg per day for all those months. So perhaps I could have just gotten to 50 mg and stayed there all year and maybe I would have avoided the healing crisis, but with the thyroiditis I wasn't really thinking long term. I feel for myself that eventually 50 mg would be maintenance dose.

If you hit some detox at a lower dose then it is likely viral, bacterial or fungal and those things are the same as if you were taking any other kind of antifungal you either push through and feel like crap for a few days or back off and take as much as you can just below the threshold of bad symptoms until you can raise again. With fungus that is usually 3 or 4 weeks. So if anyone in the family has candida once they got to a dose that caused candida herxheirmer reaction either they would have a few days of feeling bad every time you raised the dose, or you want to raise the dose no more than once a month after that point. If you reached a point of an obvious bromide reaction from the list of symptoms (which is not likely before 25-50 mg if ever for most people) you would try salt loading for a week and if that doesn't handle it, reduce dose for a while. I guess with three teen daughters if something were to arise you would need to ask questions like where they were in their menstrual cycle and so forth. Most important I think is just not to overreact. Sometimes we have a day where we feel bad even with no iodine and not everything that may pop up is iodine related. It seems to be common for people to have a lot of fear in relation to the iodine and anything that happens they automatically attribute to the iodine. Also like all things that bring a healing response something will occasionally have periods where they seem worse temporarily as they are healing. That can come out of nowhere everything is improving and then for a week or two some particular thing seems to be worse, but then it breaks through and has made a big healing. Patience and a calm practical approach, will take you far.

Engtovo

Weight Gain with Iodine

Posted by: "Pamela" prov31mom23@... pamelalv

Mon Feb 1, 2010 10:58 pm (PST)

How do you know you are taking the right amount for you? I'm doing this for myself, my husband and three teen daughters - I have to educate them to let me know what's going on (but I don't know what to educate them to look out for). How would we know somebody is taking enough? Not enough? Too much?I'm also curious how long you've been using iodine and how much you are taking.Pamela>> It could indicate that your not very toxic, or that your detoxing pathways are very clear so your body can detox without any symptoms, or that you are still at a dose that is only releasing minimal toxins. That's why it is so unique to each person. We are all doing it one day at a time LOL I think it may have been me who said I couldn't lose weight no matter what I did, but that was before the iodine. I am down 16 pounds so far though so that has changed with the iodine.

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Quite so.

davidFrom: Bruce P <brucebkdesign (DOT) ca>Subject: Re: Re:Weight Gain with Iodineiodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Tuesday, 2 February, 2010,

7:10Interesting idea here"Dieting over prolonged and extended periods can permanently reprogram the Thyroid into low gear. Now the rate at which you begin putting on weight is alarming (1 Kg / 2 lbs per month) and you think you have a Thyroid Problem. Little realizing that you might have created it with your "Superior Intellect". So you go and get your T3, T4 and TSH levels checked and satisfy yourself that nature has indeed bestowed a Thyroid Problem in your life. Now you think you were Smart in the first place to have suspected you have a Thyroid Problem and the tests have "proved" you right.The truth of the matter is that your "Superior Intellect" inflicted Hypothyroidism in your life. The deeper truth is that you don't have a Thyroid malfunction but a Protein Deficiency. So much for your T3, T4 and TSH Test Report and our ability to interpret it and correct the situation. The truth of the

matter is that your body does not have adequate reserves of Proteins and Nitrogen to produce its own Amino Acids like Tyrosine and other Essential and Non Essential Amino Acids. Remember, there are approximately 28 Amino Acids, that work synergistically together to keep the Body in balance.From the above, it is now clear to you that, to decrease weight, you must begin to eat right. The trick to reducing weight is to actually increase food intake to normal levels, so that your Body has adequate levels of Proteins and Nitrogen reserves, to increase your Rate of Metabolism."http://www.space- age.com/hypothyr oidism.htmlBruce Re: Re:Weight Gain with IodineIt is yes, also, notice they feed corn and grain to cows to quickly fattenthem up for market.And worse but thats another matterWhen I fed my chickens too much corn they got fat...Bruce----- Original Message ----- From: NonieI think most corn is gmo now. Plus corn is very fattening! I think I amgoing to have to get off all grains and see if I feel better. There are thenon grains like quinoa.Nonie

[Guest guest]

A great book is Dangerous Grains by Dr. Braly. Grains were never perfect and the more studies they do, the more they see no one should eat gluten grains.Nonie

I also read where Canada has GMOed wheat to the point where it used to have 5% gluten and now has 55% gluten.What do you bet we have the same wheat?We're gumming ourselves up,no wonder celiac and gluten intolerance is on the rise.What once was perfect,man has taken it and changed it only for profit.

[Guest guest]

I didn't take any iodine today because I'm not sure if I want to continue due to

the weight gain I experienced so quickly. Did anyone have weight gain right away

and later find that is ceased to be an issue or that it easily came off after a

while?

Up until about 8 months ago, when I started to using hydrocortisone, I could

easily control my weight, regardless of what I ate, as long as I limited my

calories to 1200-1500 per day. That all changed with hydrocortisone, and now the

problem has intensified with iodine.

I'm trying to figure out what to do. Although I have experienced some positive

effects in the short time I took iodine, I feel so bad about myself with the

extra weight and the prospect of even more, that I don't know if the positive

outweighs the negative for me.

Sherry

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone for your input.

None of the other sites I've been on that deal with adrenal fatigue recommend

anything but HC to treat it. They say the adrenal support supplements are

expensive and not effective, unless the adrenal fatigue is mild. Mine was not

mild, so that is why I felt like I had no choice but to go with HC.

But after taking a high enough dose of HC for over 5 months now (with only

nominal improvement to my symptoms) and feeling a such big difference after

taking only 12.5 mg of iodine for a couple of days, I think I'm just going to

wean off HC and take iodine and the companion supplements and see what

happens...and hope that the removal of HC helps with my weight gain at 1200

calories per day.

The reason I got really interested in iodine, despite what the adrenals

moderators said, is that a member on that group with serious adrenal fatigue

posted that he gave up HC after two weeks and switched to just iodine and felt

great.

There seems to be a lot more success on this group than on the adrenals group. I

was really wondering if people were getting better on there. It didn't seem like

it...and I certainly didn't feel like I had made huge progress.

Sherry

[Guest guest]

I think so, when I mentioned to my mom the hydrocortisone as a nurse she freaked (she is very passionate) and said "she needs to get off that ASAP!" when patients come into the hospital she can spot the ones who are on it by the particular type of edema they get.

Engtovo

From: lookonthebriteside

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:31 AM

iodine

Subject: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

I'm weaning off the hydrocortisone (20 mg), . You are supposed to do it slowly and the hope is that the adrenals will kick back in. I personally know of 2 women who were easily able to stop after a year or so. It is controversial, but after what I went through for many years, I had to try something. I had all the symptoms of adrenal fatigue, and my saliva tests supported it. I was on the adrenals group for months, and I decided to try hydrocortisone because I didn't feel like I had a choice.The moderators on the adrenals group aren't fans of iodine (they think it's very hard on the adrenals and will only cause more problems) and nearly convinced me to not try it. I actually feel much better with the iodine than I did with just the hydrocortisone though. I wonder if I could have just skipped the hydrocortisone and gone straight to iodine and avoided some of the weight.Sherry

[Guest guest]

Yes, hydrocortisone has quite a reputation. My mom never even worked in

healthcare and when I told her I was taking it, she said: " Don't take that,

you'll get fat! " . I couldn't even believe she even knew what hydrocortisone was,

let alone it's effects.

>

> I think so, when I mentioned to my mom the hydrocortisone as a nurse she

freaked (she is very passionate) and said " she needs to get off that ASAP! "

when patients come into the hospital she can spot the ones who are on it by the

particular type of edema they get.

>

> Engtovo

>

>

> From: lookonthebriteside

> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:31 AM

> iodine

> Subject: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

>

>

>

> I'm weaning off the hydrocortisone (20 mg), . You are supposed to do it

slowly and the hope is that the adrenals will kick back in. I personally know of

2 women who were easily able to stop after a year or so. It is controversial,

but after what I went through for many years, I had to try something. I had all

the symptoms of adrenal fatigue, and my saliva tests supported it. I was on the

adrenals group for months, and I decided to try hydrocortisone because I didn't

feel like I had a choice.

>

> The moderators on the adrenals group aren't fans of iodine (they think it's

very hard on the adrenals and will only cause more problems) and nearly

convinced me to not try it. I actually feel much better with the iodine than I

did with just the hydrocortisone though. I wonder if I could have just skipped

the hydrocortisone and gone straight to iodine and avoided some of the weight.

>

> Sherry

>

[Guest guest]

Well the I would say there are two issues with the high dose; one is that we have never been told honestly about whole body iodine saturation, not even about thyroid saturation in reality, we have only been told about the minimal amount of iodine the thyroid needs for mere survival function. The other is the anti-thyroid poisons and the massive amount of halides we are now exposed to on a daily basis.

On the thyroid side of things you could consider that in a nuclear emergency they recommend we take 130 mg a day for 14 days just to protect our thyroid from radioactive iodine uptake during that period of exposure. If our thyroids were already saturated we wouldn't need any emergency iodine in that situation and the thyroid only holds 3% of our total iodine when we are at full body saturation.

On the halide side of things we are now in a continuous war with the other halides to get iodine where it belongs and keep it there. If we were not exposed to all the other stuff we could get saturated and then it wouldn't take such high levels of iodine to keep us that way.

At 5 feet myself I definitely get that any weight you gain has no where to hide! I wish we would have known that the hydrocortisone was a factor in your struggling to maintain your weight sooner, as that is such a contributing aspect unto itself. Swelling, edema and weight gain are it's number one side effect. It sounds like whatever your body is healing with the iodine is just making that side effect more prevalent.

Engtovo

From: lookonthebriteside

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:23 AM

iodine

Subject: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

I don't know how much weight, Engtovo. I don't weigh myself. Anything on top of the hydrocortisone weight is just too much on my 5'2" frame, after only 10 days. It may be only 5 pounds, but it's enough to be very upsetting. I just know that I look disgusting and am busting out of my clothes.I don't really understand how, for those who are just iodine deficient, versus battling cancer, why we would need to supplement with so much iodine every day. I could be wrong, but just seems that whatever iodine is missing from our food wouldn't be 25 mg or more each day.Sherry

[Guest guest]

Sherry you have my thought

exactly. I was on that adrenal group when taking HC. They were

helpful in the beginning but I finally stopped because they wore me out.

They never seemed to get better. My adrenals had flatlined too and I was

miserable at the time. I weaned off HC after about 6 months and have been

off a couple years. There have been times in those two years where I have

had to take HC for a week or two in times of stress. Whenever I did, I

gained weight and felt swollen. So I try not to take it unless it is very

stressful. I started iodine in the fall and increased to 50

mg over a month or so. But because of a lot of stress my adrenals crashed

again so I went back on the HC for a few weeks and stopped the iodine and a lot

of other things I was taking. I didn’t know if the iodine had

crashed my adrenals or the outside stress or a little of both.

So here I am back again. I

have just started the iodine again. I am at 12.5 per day but getting

ready to go up. I will go slow so as not to stress my adrenals. I

also believe I have insulin resistance troubles too because I have low blood

sugar at times. So I think that the iodine and detoxing will help my

thyroid, adrenals and the insulin resistance and then I should feel great and

lose weight! At least that is my theory for the moment. (:

Beebe

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of lookonthebriteside

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:04 AM

iodine

Subject: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

Thanks everyone for your input.

None of the other sites I've been on that deal with adrenal fatigue recommend

anything but HC to treat it. They say the adrenal support supplements are

expensive and not effective, unless the adrenal fatigue is mild. Mine was not

mild, so that is why I felt like I had no choice but to go with HC.

But after taking a high enough dose of HC for over 5 months now (with only

nominal improvement to my symptoms) and feeling a such big difference after

taking only 12.5 mg of iodine for a couple of days, I think I'm just going to

wean off HC and take iodine and the companion supplements and see what

happens...and hope that the removal of HC helps with my weight gain at 1200

calories per day.

The reason I got really interested in iodine, despite what the adrenals

moderators said, is that a member on that group with serious adrenal fatigue

posted that he gave up HC after two weeks and switched to just iodine and felt

great.

There seems to be a lot more success on this group than on the adrenals group.

I was really wondering if people were getting better on there. It didn't seem

like it...and I certainly didn't feel like I had made huge progress.

Sherry

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Engotovo...I'm not sure that I understand the last part of your last

post. If you would have know about the hydrocortisone aspect of my

situation...You would have told me to stop taking it sooner?

Sherry

>

> Well the I would say there are two issues with the high dose; one is that we

have never been told honestly about whole body iodine saturation, not even about

thyroid saturation in reality, we have only been told about the minimal amount

of iodine the thyroid needs for mere survival function. The other is the

anti-thyroid poisons and the massive amount of halides we are now exposed to on

a daily basis.

>

> On the thyroid side of things you could consider that in a nuclear emergency

they recommend we take 130 mg a day for 14 days just to protect our thyroid from

radioactive iodine uptake during that period of exposure. If our thyroids were

already saturated we wouldn't need any emergency iodine in that situation and

the thyroid only holds 3% of our total iodine when we are at full body

saturation.

>

> On the halide side of things we are now in a continuous war with the other

halides to get iodine where it belongs and keep it there. If we were not

exposed to all the other stuff we could get saturated and then it wouldn't take

such high levels of iodine to keep us that way.

>

> At 5 feet myself I definitely get that any weight you gain has no where to

hide! I wish we would have known that the hydrocortisone was a factor in your

struggling to maintain your weight sooner, as that is such a contributing aspect

unto itself. Swelling, edema and weight gain are it's number one side effect.

It sounds like whatever your body is healing with the iodine is just making that

side effect more prevalent.

>

> Engtovo

>

>

> From: lookonthebriteside

> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:23 AM

> iodine

> Subject: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

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> I don't know how much weight, Engtovo. I don't weigh myself. Anything on top

of the hydrocortisone weight is just too much on my 5'2 " frame, after only 10

days. It may be only 5 pounds, but it's enough to be very upsetting. I just know

that I look disgusting and am busting out of my clothes.

>

> I don't really understand how, for those who are just iodine deficient, versus

battling cancer, why we would need to supplement with so much iodine every day.

I could be wrong, but just seems that whatever iodine is missing from our food

wouldn't be 25 mg or more each day.

>

> Sherry

>

[Guest guest]

Well I won't argue with anything that is actually working for you!

We are all unique in what is going on in our bodies, in my mom's experience

very few people though have anything good come of hydrocortisone or any

other steroid, and they likely are being given large doses. She has to pay

extra attention to any patient on one, even when most of her patients where

she currently works are just in for simple orthopedic surgeries. They

consistently have issues after surgery that are difficult to balance out,

and their wounds don't heal as quickly, plus they are more prone to

infection. So if it is a dose related thing than it's very critical to find

the right dose. I would put it on the absolute last resort list, but with

everything you've been through that may have been the exact point you were

at.

Engtovo

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From: " Gracia " <circe@...>

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:45 AM

<iodine >

Subject: Re: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

> you are confusing low dose HC with the way docs use steroids. HC is safe

> and a life saver when used properly. look at Safe Uses of Cortisol by

> McK Jefferies MD. we shouldn't throw the baby out with the

> bathwater

> FWIW I tried not taking any Iodoral yesterday. I really didn't do well

> and by about 6pm I had to take 50mg. today I have already taken 100mg.

> maybe I will try 25mg more--maybe this is what detox is but I feel

> horrible.

> gracia

>

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> Engtovo wrote:

>>

>> Well if you are deficient in iodine than stopping iodine

>> supplementation can only lead to further disease. Hydrocortisone is a

>> steroid on the other hand that has tons of side effects.

>> how much weight have you gained?

>> Engtovo

>> *From:* lookonthebriteside <mailto:slehr05@...>

>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:35 PM

>> *To:* iodine <mailto:iodine >

>> *Subject:* Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

>>

>> I didn't take any iodine today because I'm not sure if I want to

>> continue due to the weight gain I experienced so quickly. Did anyone

>> have weight gain right away and later find that is ceased to be an

>> issue or that it easily came off after a while?

>>

>> Up until about 8 months ago, when I started to using hydrocortisone, I

>> could easily control my weight, regardless of what I ate, as long as I

>> limited my calories to 1200-1500 per day. That all changed with

>> hydrocortisone, and now the problem has intensified with iodine.

>>

>> I'm trying to figure out what to do. Although I have experienced some

>> positive effects in the short time I took iodine, I feel so bad about

>> myself with the extra weight and the prospect of even more, that I

>> don't know if the positive outweighs the negative for me.

>>

>> Sherry

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[Guest guest]

Well I would have known that it may be a factor in your concerns about gaining weight in general and your reaction that there was even a small possibility iodine may add to that. I didn't know that the HC was already giving you a struggle by itself. Now that we know about the HC it give others who do use it, or have in the past, a chance to weigh in with their experiences so you can use that info to make the best choice for yourself.

Engtovo

From: lookonthebriteside

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:46 AM

iodine

Subject: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

Thanks, Engotovo...I'm not sure that I understand the last part of your last post. If you would have know about the hydrocortisone aspect of my situation...You would have told me to stop taking it sooner?Sherry>> Well the I would say there are two issues with the high dose; one is that we have never been told honestly about whole body iodine saturation, not even about thyroid saturation in reality, we have only been told about the minimal amount of iodine the thyroid needs for mere survival function. The other is the anti-thyroid poisons and the massive amount of halides we are now exposed to on a daily basis. > > On the thyroid side of things you could consider that in a nuclear emergency they recommend we take 130 mg a day for 14 days just to protect our thyroid from radioactive iodine uptake during that period of exposure. If our thyroids were already saturated we wouldn't need any emergency iodine in that situation and the thyroid only holds 3% of our total iodine when we are at full body saturation.> > On the halide side of things we are now in a continuous war with the other halides to get iodine where it belongs and keep it there. If we were not exposed to all the other stuff we could get saturated and then it wouldn't take such high levels of iodine to keep us that way.> > At 5 feet myself I definitely get that any weight you gain has no where to hide! I wish we would have known that the hydrocortisone was a factor in your struggling to maintain your weight sooner, as that is such a contributing aspect unto itself. Swelling, edema and weight gain are it's number one side effect. It sounds like whatever your body is healing with the iodine is just making that side effect more prevalent.> > Engtovo> > > From: lookonthebriteside > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:23 AM> iodine > Subject: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine> > > > I don't know how much weight, Engtovo. I don't weigh myself. Anything on top of the hydrocortisone weight is just too much on my 5'2" frame, after only 10 days. It may be only 5 pounds, but it's enough to be very upsetting. I just know that I look disgusting and am busting out of my clothes.> > I don't really understand how, for those who are just iodine deficient, versus battling cancer, why we would need to supplement with so much iodine every day. I could be wrong, but just seems that whatever iodine is missing from our food wouldn't be 25 mg or more each day.> > Sherry>

[Guest guest]

Ok, thank you...I do think iodine that iodine worsened the already difficult

weight situation with HC. But maybe if I get rid of HC, the iodine won't affect

me the same way. But then, I will have to worry about my adrenals crashing

without the support of HC. It sounds like that is what happened with Beebe, who

posted earlier today, when she used iodine without HC. I guess I will just have

to try it and see what happens.

Sherry

> >

> > Well the I would say there are two issues with the high dose; one is that we

have never been told honestly about whole body iodine saturation, not even about

thyroid saturation in reality, we have only been told about the minimal amount

of iodine the thyroid needs for mere survival function. The other is the

anti-thyroid poisons and the massive amount of halides we are now exposed to on

a daily basis.

> >

> > On the thyroid side of things you could consider that in a nuclear emergency

they recommend we take 130 mg a day for 14 days just to protect our thyroid from

radioactive iodine uptake during that period of exposure. If our thyroids were

already saturated we wouldn't need any emergency iodine in that situation and

the thyroid only holds 3% of our total iodine when we are at full body

saturation.

> >

> > On the halide side of things we are now in a continuous war with the other

halides to get iodine where it belongs and keep it there. If we were not exposed

to all the other stuff we could get saturated and then it wouldn't take such

high levels of iodine to keep us that way.

> >

> > At 5 feet myself I definitely get that any weight you gain has no where to

hide! I wish we would have known that the hydrocortisone was a factor in your

struggling to maintain your weight sooner, as that is such a contributing aspect

unto itself. Swelling, edema and weight gain are it's number one side effect. It

sounds like whatever your body is healing with the iodine is just making that

side effect more prevalent.

> >

> > Engtovo

> >

> >

> > From: lookonthebriteside

> > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:23 AM

> > iodine

> > Subject: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

> >

> >

> >

> > I don't know how much weight, Engtovo. I don't weigh myself. Anything on top

of the hydrocortisone weight is just too much on my 5'2 " frame, after only 10

days. It may be only 5 pounds, but it's enough to be very upsetting. I just know

that I look disgusting and am busting out of my clothes.

> >

> > I don't really understand how, for those who are just iodine deficient,

versus battling cancer, why we would need to supplement with so much iodine

every day. I could be wrong, but just seems that whatever iodine is missing from

our food wouldn't be 25 mg or more each day.

> >

> > Sherry

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The steroids are notorious for causing weight gain and they also change your face to a very round moon shape. My son was on steroids for 18 months as part of his leukemia treatments. He gained 50 pounds! As soon as he got off the steroids the weight started coming off too... first 30 pounds dropped off fast, next 10 over a couple of months, and another 15 or so over a 6 month period.

As long as you're taking steroids you should pretty much expect weight gain. It's just part of the package. ..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:-¸.·´ .·´¨¨))((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:--:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

From: Engtovo <engtovo@...>iodine Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 12:09:35 PMSubject: Re: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

Well I would have known that it may be a factor in your concerns about gaining weight in general and your reaction that there was even a small possibility iodine may add to that. I didn't know that the HC was already giving you a struggle by itself. Now that we know about the HC it give others who do use it, or have in the past, a chance to weigh in with their experiences so you can use that info to make the best choice for yourself.

Engtovo

From: lookonthebriteside

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:46 AM

iodinegroups (DOT) com

Subject: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine

Thanks, Engotovo...I' m not sure that I understand the last part of your last post. If you would have know about the hydrocortisone aspect of my situation... You would have told me to stop taking it sooner?Sherry>> Well the I would say there are two issues with the high dose; one is that we have never been told honestly about whole body iodine saturation, not even about thyroid saturation in reality, we have only been told about the minimal amount of iodine the thyroid needs for mere survival function. The other is the anti-thyroid poisons and the massive amount of halides we are now exposed to on a daily basis. > > On the thyroid side of things you could consider that in a nuclear emergency they recommend we take 130 mg a day for

14 days just to protect our thyroid from radioactive iodine uptake during that period of exposure. If our thyroids were already saturated we wouldn't need any emergency iodine in that situation and the thyroid only holds 3% of our total iodine when we are at full body saturation.> > On the halide side of things we are now in a continuous war with the other halides to get iodine where it belongs and keep it there. If we were not exposed to all the other stuff we could get saturated and then it wouldn't take such high levels of iodine to keep us that way.> > At 5 feet myself I definitely get that any weight you gain has no where to hide! I wish we would have known that the hydrocortisone was a factor in your struggling to maintain your weight sooner, as that is such a contributing aspect unto itself. Swelling, edema and weight gain are it's number one side effect. It sounds like whatever your body is healing with the iodine is

just making that side effect more prevalent.> > Engtovo> > > From: lookonthebriteside > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:23 AM> iodinegroups (DOT) com > Subject: Re:Weight Gain with Iodine> > > > I don't know how much weight, Engtovo. I don't weigh myself. Anything on top of the hydrocortisone weight is just too much on my 5'2" frame, after only 10 days. It may be only 5 pounds, but it's enough to be very upsetting. I just know that I look disgusting and am busting out of my clothes.> > I don't really understand how, for those who are just iodine deficient, versus battling cancer, why we would need to supplement with so much iodine every day. I could be wrong, but just seems that whatever iodine is missing from our food

wouldn't be 25 mg or more each day.> > Sherry>

[Guest guest]

I hope your theory is right, Beebe!

I'm a bit concerned to hear about your adrenals crashing with iodine and no HC

because that is what I'm about to try. I guess I will just have to see what

happens and maybe just use HC in very stressful times.

I really started to wonder about the adrenals group when the moderators would

keep disappearing for a while because they were sick. They tried to be helpful,

and I admire their effort, but it seemed like they didn't even have their own

illnesses under control.

Good luck with everything

Sherry

[Guest guest]

The below is from

L. D.C., N.D., Ph.D. has helped hundreds of people with Adrenal

Fatigue regain their health and vitality during his 24 years of private

practice. For the past 10 years he has lectured extensively to physicians

and is acknowledged as an expert on endocrine imbalances and their impact on

health, including the effects of stress on adrenal function. He is the first

person to have presented Adrenal Fatigue as a distinct, diagnosable

syndrome.

A scientist as well as a physician, Dr. holds 3 doctorate degrees and

2 master's degrees, all from different disciplines. He was one of the

founding fathers of the Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine (CCNM) in

Toronto, Ontario and is listed in The International Who's Who in Medicine

(Cambridge, England).His new book, Adrenal Fatigue: the 21st Century Stress

Syndrome (Smart Publications, 2001) is a comprehensive self-help book on the

diagnosis and treatment of Adrenal Fatigue. Dr. currently resides in

Tucson, Arizona.

[Note to Dr - get back up here!] lol

" Any person who has been benefited by a course of cortisone therapy should

be examined for hypoadrenia. Not only is this true of the obvious reason

that the adrenals' cortisone output may be lowered, but also for the reason

that cortisone therapy tends to lower adrenal gland output in the long run.

Cortisone causes a negative feedback to the pituitary, causing a diminished

pituitary output of adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH). In prolonged

cortisone therapy, the person's adrenal glands will atrophy, even to the

point of non-function. Since the adrenal cortical hormones are necessary for

life, a person on cortisone products should never have them withdrawn

rapidly, as this could cause a life-threatening crisis.

When a person is withdrawn from cortisone, it should be done so very

gradually, over a long period of time in order to allow the adrenal glands

to rebuild themselves to an adequate level of activity... "

1/3 way down page

http://www.tuberose.com/Adrenal_Glands.html

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: lookonthebriteside

iodine

Ok, thank you...I do think iodine that iodine worsened the already difficult

weight situation with HC. But maybe if I get rid of HC, the iodine won't

affect me the same way. But then, I will have to worry about my adrenals

crashing without the support of HC. It sounds like that is what happened

with Beebe, who posted earlier today, when she used iodine without HC. I

guess I will just have to try it and see what happens.

Sherry